dissenting.
¶ 1 I dissent. Appellant asserts that the court erred in terminating his participation in ARD for violating the “good behavior” condition. The majority concludes that appellant waived this challenge due to the fact that he entered a plea of nolo contendere. In finding waiver the majority cites the “axiomatic principle that a defendant who pleads nolo contendere waives all defects and defenses except those concerning the jurisdiction of the court, the legality of the sentence, and validity of plea. Commonwealth v. Nelson, 446 Pa.Super. 240, 666 A.2d 714 (1995).” The majority is correct to assert that the above principle is “axiomatic.” However, they neglect to realize that it is a general principle. More thorough restatements of the principle are prefaced with the phrases/words “absent unusual circumstances” and “normally.” What circumstance might qualify to render the general rule not applicable? For one, an otherwise interlocutory pre-trial judicial decision denying a transfer to juvenile court.
¶ 2 In Commonwealth v. Pyle, 462 Pa. 613, 342 A.2d 101 (1975), a juvenile was charged as an adult for criminal homicide and sought to transfer the case into juvenile court. On a related matter a juvenile charge was filed against appellant for theft. The Commonwealth sought a transfer of this charge for adult prosecution. The court granted the transfer and appellant subsequently pled guilty to both charges. After appellant was sentenced he appealed the court’s decision that required he be tried as an adult. Before addressing the merits of appellant’s challenge the Court acknowledged the general rule that the entry of a guilty plea constitutes a waiver of any non-jurisdictional defects or defenses. However, it found the appeal properly before the court anyway. In reaching this conclusion the court noted that the decision in question was *1066interlocutory and was not appealable until after sentencing. Further, the court noted that the purpose of the act was to spare from adult punishment certain youths whose behavior would necessarily render them guilty of adult crimes.3
¶ 3 Similarly, the action at issue here, the court’s termination of appellant’s ARD, was interlocutory and could not be appealed until a sentence had been imposed. Further, similar to prosecution under the Juvenile Act, eligibility for ARD allows an offender to avoid prosecution for a crime for certain qualifying offenses if successfully completed. Thus, in both cases the action at issue was collateral to the determination of guilt and could not be appealed until a. conviction was obtained and sentence imposed. It stands to reason then that if a plea of guilty did not constitute waiver of the court’s decision regarding eligibility for juvenile treatment then it should not constitute a waiver regarding the court’s determination of eligibility for ARD.
¶ 4 Further, the above approach makes better policy. The majority’s position would require a defendant, who does not have a meritorious defense to the underlying charge, to plead not guilty and take a trial merely to preserve his/her challenge to the collateral issue of whether or not his/her ARD was properly terminated. Applied to situations like the present one this position mandates the squandering of judicial resources for no good reason. Since I find the present case similar to Pyle, I would follow the lead taken there and find that appellant’s appeal is properly before us.
*1067¶ 5 As for the merits of appellant’s appeal, appellant was removed from the ARD program for “bad behavior.” Specifically, appellant was alleged to have made statements that were regarded as threatening toward his ex-wife. The basis of appellant’s removal was the testimony of Ms. Kelly S. Jackson, a probation officer. According to Jackson, appellant, who was prohibited from any contact with his ex-wife remarked to Jackson that “he felt like a caged animal in a corner, because he felt that he had to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes, because if he has seen the victim he would get in trouble. And he said the only way that he wouldn’t feel like this is if she dies or if she is dead.” (N.T. hearing of February 9, 1998, p. 6). Ms. Jackson testified that she was disturbed by appellant’s comments and went to get another officer after which they continued a discussion with appellant. During this discussion appellant admitted that he had previously planned on killing his ex-wife but spared her because her mother was terminally ill. Id., p. 7.
¶ 6 Testimony was also received from David A. Houseal, appellant’s counselor in a program for individuals who have committed domestic abuse. Mr. Houseal related a conversation he had with appellant wherein appellant related feeling that “he had lost his honor, that he didn’t care about what happened to him anymore. That he felt like he had to take things into his own hands, that he had no legal recourse to the circumstances he was in.” Id., p. 15. Appellant also related that he had previous demolition experience from the military. Mr. Houseal testified that he became alarmed by appellant’s statements and feared appellant might harm his ex-wife.
¶7 Based upon the above appellant was found to have violated the generic “good behavior” requirement for ARD inclusion and was removed from the ARD program.
¶ 8 Appellant argues that- the court erred in removing him from the ARD program, as his conduct did not constitute “bad behavior.” I must agree. Appellant was made to participate in programs that encouraged, if not required, him to divulge and relate his personal feelings and thoughts as it bore upon the situation which led to his participation in ARD in the first place, that is, his prior stalking and harassment of his ex-wife. Upon doing so he has been expelled from the ARD program for which he was originally deemed a deserving candidate.
¶ 9 It should not escape notice that the crimes appellant was accused of relate to individuals with intensely passionate, obsessive and, perhaps, irrational emotions. In many cases perpetrators of such crimes will have emotions similar to those appellant expressed. Moreover the fact that perpetrators of such crimes possess such emotions is the very reason that counseling and therapy is required of them. To require appellant to participate in such programs and then use the communications against him to expel him from the ARD program seems fundamentally unfair and contrary to principles of due process.
¶ 10 Further, appellant has committed no crime and none of appellant’s comments constitute direct threats, i.e., an expression of a present intent to do harm to his ex-wife. Indeed, Mr. Houseal admits as much. He stated “That was vague. He didn’t say, I am going to shoot her or I am going to do anything to her.” Id., at p. 24. In reality, although appellant’s comments were disturbing they did not constitute direct threats nor could it be argued that they were made to intimidate or inflict fear in appellant’s ex-wife since they were not communicated to her.
¶ 11 Recently, this court sitting en banc refused to find threatening language to constitute contempt of a PFA order in Commonwealth v. Baker, 722 A.2d 718 (Pa.Super.1998), even though the language was considerably more threatening than the statements at issue here. There upon being served with a PFA order the appel*1068lant stated “I’m going to kill this bitch.” Despite the fact that the appellant there used language reflecting a present intent to kill his ex-girlfriend, we concluded that since the threat was not made in his ex-girlfriend’s presence it did not violate the PFA order, which prohibited threatening the ex-girlfriend. In reaching the above conclusion the court indicated that “those seeking to limit another individual’s speech by subjecting it to criminal sanctions via a prohibitive order must do so in a clear and definite manner.” Id., 722 A.2d at 722, n. 1. Although the present matter is different than that considered in Baker, I believe Baker is instructive in any event. Here imprisonment is being tied to a rather general term “good behavior,” and appellant will be imprisoned for speech considerably more ambiguous than that found in Baker.
¶ 12 For the above reasons I believe the decision to remove appellant from the ARD program should be reversed and appellant’s judgment of sentence vacated.
. The majority argues that my reliance upon Pyle is misplaced because the challenge leveled in Pyle was "jurisdictional” whereas the challenge leveled here is not. Although the general waiver rule relied upon by the majority excepts defects and defenses "concerning the jurisdiction of the court” it is not clear from that recitation of the rule what kinds of jurisdictional defects or defenses it contemplates.
However, there is no question that jurisdiction of the Criminal Division of the Court of Common Pleas was proper in Pyle just as it is here. The juvenile in Pyle was charged with murder. Thus, jurisdiction was properly in Criminal Court, although a transfer was possible to Juvenile Court upon a showing that the interests of state and society required transfer. This decision was entrusted to the court's discretion and was not a matter of entitlement. See, Pyle, 342 A.2d at 104. Thus, the challenge in Pyle was not a "jurisdictional defect,” or defense, as that term is commonly understood. A jurisdictional defect has generally been thought to mean that the court is without power to hear the matter, and such was clearly not the case in Pyle. Rather, the juvenile in Pyle was attacking the court’s decision not to transfer the case to Juvenile Court. In essence, the majority’s thesis suggests that the "jurisdictional defects” which the waiver rule excepts would include questions regarding which divisions within the Court of Common Pleas should hear the case, i.e.. Criminal Division or Juvenile Division. However, while it is possible they are correct on this point, their thesis is unsupported by caselaw.
Nevertheless, the majority’s assertion regarding my reliance upon Pyle appears flawed (and further misses the point I endeavored to make) because it does not appear that our Supreme Court viewed the challenge in Pyle as a jurisdictional one. This is clear because the Court seems to regard it as necessary to justify or explain its decision to find the challenge “properly preserved” despite the general rule relied upon by the majority and acknowledged by the Supreme Court in Pyle. If in fact the Supreme Court viewed the challenge leveled in that case to be "jurisdictional” in nature such an exercise would have been unnecessary, as the appeal would have fallen squarely within the rule in question. That is, the tendering of a guilty plea would not have constituted a waiver of that jurisdictional challenge and the Supreme Court would not have needed to defend or explain its actions in considering the issue. Rather, the Court could have merely noted that appellant’s challenge was jurisdictional and, therefore, not waived by the guilty plea.
Instead the Court apparently felt it necessary to defend its decision to find the appeal “properly preserved.” Thus, even if the challenge in Pyle was "jurisdictional,” for purposes of the waiver rule, it does not appear that the Supreme Court was relying upon that fact in finding the appeal properly preserved. Indeed, it appears that the Court was finding one of those "unusual circumstances” where tendering a guilty plea does not constitute waiver. In my opinion the circumstances of Pyle are very analogous to the circumstances here and we should similarly find the challenge "properly preserved.”