concurring.
I concur with Judge Emberton’s opinion and his result vacating and remanding this visitation action for further proceedings. Although Larry Alexander failed to file a copy of the order appealed from with his pro se brief, it appears from the record that no actual hearing with notice to Alexander was provided. The court apparently denied his request for visitation on the basis of the Cabinet for Human Resources’ report that such visitation would result in psychological trauma to his daughter. KRS 403.320(1) requires a “hearing,” and it also requires a finding that “visitation would endanger seriously the child’s ... health.”
*617Judge Emberton’s opinion does not address the question of whether Alexander has some absolute right to be physically present when the hearing is conducted. Although that issue may not be properly before this panel, considering the total posture of this appeal, the record indicates that at the earlier custody hearing, Alexander requested the right to be present and also for the Commonwealth to provide him with transportation to that hearing. I am confident the issue will again be presented to Judge Fritz, and I therefore wish to express my own view concerning this potential problem.
I know of no “transportation right” for prisoners to attend civil hearings of their own making. I will certainly not be one to create such a right, and if such a right ever becomes law, it should be created and adopted by the legislature. Such a “right” would create endless problems and expenses for our corrections system.
It is simply not essential that a party be present at every civil hearing. There are times when, for economic, distance, time, logistical, or psychological reasons, etc., a party may be “present” by deposition or counsel, or not at all. Larry Alexander has a right to notice of the proceeding, but he has no right to be taken from the prison and transported under guard at the expense and inconvenience of the State. Although this action is in the Oldham Circuit Court, and Alexander is incarcerated at the reformatory in Oldham County, the proximity of the court and the prison should make no difference, unless the witnesses and officials choose to hold their hearing in the prison.
I see no reason why Alexander should be afforded more rights and expenses to be present at his hearing than a minimum-wage earner struggling to pay his child support when he cannot afford to take leave from work and travel across the state to attend a hearing. Alexander does not and should not have any greater right.
Larry Alexander filed this action seeking visitation rights with his daughter. I certainly have no problem with children of an inmate visiting with that parent under most circumstances, especially if the child desires to visit the parent and transportation for visitation is no problem for the custodial parent. Likewise, I would have no problem with Judge Fritz denying such visitation rights under the circumstances in this case and based upon the recommendations of the Cabinet. The necessary findings, however, must first be made. It may be that on remand the evidence will support a finding that the child’s health will not be harmed and that visitation would be appropriate. That decision, however, remains to be seen, and will only come after Larry Alexander has been given notice of the hearing and an opportunity to be represented at the hearing and to submit evidence of his own in favor of visitation.
I concur that Mr. Alexander should have the opportunity to have a hearing, together with notice of the time for the hearing, and a right to be represented at that hearing. This, however, is no guarantee that the outcome will be any different from the original ruling rendered by Judge Fritz.
JOHNSTONE, J., concurs in this opinion also.