dissenting:
I do not agree with the conclusion reached in the foregoing opinion. It is such an important question that I desire to express my views, in some detail, on the subject.
This court has discussed a similar question in Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railway Co. v. Walsh, 150 Ill. 607. That case had under consideration the propriety of an amendment to the bill of exceptions to correct an omission to certify that it included all the evidence on the trial. The order of amendment recited, among other things, (p. 609,) that the action was taken “after a careful examination of the record in this case by the Hon. R. W. Clifford, judge thereof, and of the stenographer’s transcript of the evidence heretofore filed herein and made a part of the records in said cause, and of the various papers and exhibits introduced in evidence in said case and made a part of the record in said cause by being embodied in said bill of exceptions heretofore signed and sealed.” The order further recited that the judge “kept some minutes of the evidence in. said case upon the trial thereof but not sufficiently full to authorize the certificate from said minutes, alone, that said bill of exceptions contained all the evidence.” The amendment by this order was challenged in that case on the ground (p. 611) “that it is not shown that it was made from any memoranda or minute kept by the judge, or that anything appeared in the record and files from which the amendment could be made.” In overruling this objection the court said (p. 612) : “Formerly the judge was necessarily dependent upon his notes and memoranda and the record and files in the cause for data upon which to predicate an amendment. The keeping of minutes by the trial judge, which were always- necessarily meager, has very largely fallen into disuse, for the reason that the more accurate,—and, indeed, reliable,—mode has been adopted of keeping full stenographic notes of what occurred at the trial, and the practice has become practically uniform, both with the courts and the bar, to rely upon the stenographic report as the most reliable data attainable, in all subsequent proceedings in the cause. The stenographer is dependent upon the judge for his appointment and tenure of office. He is a sworn officer of the law, charged with keeping full and accurate stenographic notes of the evidence in all trials in the court for which he is appointed and with making true and correct transcripts thereof. * * * The notes thus taken, and the transcript thereof, are necessarily not conclusive upon the trial court, but being a part of the proceedings in the trial of the cause, taken and made pari passu by a sworn officer charged with the special duty, they are presumed to be correct until questioned and the contrary made to appear. Undoubtedly, the trial judge may disregard them if found by him to be inaccurate, but they are ordinarily accepted and acted upon, in practice, as the most reliable means of information attainable. If the stenographer, however, be not an official the same result would follow,—the accuracy and fullness of the notes taken in the regular and orderly course of the trial would, when approved by the court, constitute data to which the court might refer.” The court in that case held the amendment of the bill of exceptions correct, the court saying (p. 613) : “It is apparent, independently of the fact that the transcript of the evidence, when properly certified by the trial judge, becomes part of the record, that the rule permitting the same judge, at a subsequent term of court, to amend the record by notes or memoranda made by himself during the trial, applies with equal, if not greater, force to the transcript of the evidence thus made and preserved. Every element of accuracy and certitude in the one is inherent in the other, while there-is added in the stenographic notes fullness and completeness of detail impossible of attainment in memoranda kept by the judge; and where the judge has in apt time approved the transcript made by the stenographer as being a correct transcription of the evidence, there can be no objection to his referring to the same as accurate data upon which to predicate his future order in the cause,—and especially must this be so where the accuracy of the transcript made by the stenographer was, as here, unchallenged.”
Again, in Sullivan v. Eddy, 154 Ill. 199, the court had under consideration a similar question with, reference to permitting an amendment, making it appear that the second count of the declaration in an action of ejectment instead of the first count, as stated in the bill of exceptions, had been stricken out and correcting the range number of the premises described in the judgment. The first portion of the amendment was shown by the bill of exceptions to have been made upon “no minute of the clerk or of the court,” unless the bill of exceptions be a minute of the court. It appeared, however, that there was offered in support of the motion to amend, among other affidavits, that of the stenographer who had reported the trial, containing a transcript of the entry in his stenographic notes to the effect that the plaintiff had elected to dismiss as to the second count. The court upheld the amendment, saying (p: 202) : ' “If the judge himself had made the minute shown by the stenographer’s notes there could have been no question, under our decisions, of its sufficiency to authorize the making of the amendment. Under the present practice, when a stenographer has been employed to report a case on trial and enters upon that duty, we think the judge may rely upon his minutes instead of keeping docket entries or bench notes himself. When a shorthand reporter appears in a case, either by express appointment or being employed by parties, and is recognized by the court as the reporter for that case, we see no reason why his notes may not be treated as a proper minute of the court upon which to base an amendment. These views are in harmony with what we said in the recent case of Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railway Co. v. Walsh, 150 Ill. 607.” The opinion continued that even if it were conceded that the bill of exceptions failed to show that the shorthand reporter had been recognized by the court as the court reporter in the case, “still we think enough was shown by the record before the court when the amendment was allowed to authorize it.”
In Hubbard v. People, 197 Ill. 15, cited in the opinion of the court, the record was amended so as to show the empaneling of the jury, the presence of the defendant at the trial and the custody of the jury by a sworn officer, all of which matters it had originally failed to disclose. The amendment was made on the basis of an affidavit by the shorthand reporter identifying a portion of his typewritten notes of the trial. The court in that case took the view that “the statute does not make it the duty of the shorthand reporter to keep bench notes for the judge or memoranda from which the clerk of the court may subsequently write up the record,” and held that “the stenographic notes of the shorthand reporter were not, therefore, such a memorial paper, note or memorandum as the law contemplates shall be used as a basis from which to make an order amending a record- nunc pro tunc.” The cases as heretofore cited in this dissent were distinguished on the ground that the stenographic notes made had been embodied in the bill of exceptions and thus made a part of the record in the first case, and the contrary expressions in the second case were held in the last case to be merely dicta.
I concede that the last decision may not be in harmony with the first two' decisions, but I am inclined to think that the reasoning in the first two opinions is more logical and more in accord with good practice in matters of this kind than is the attempt to distinguish those cases in the last case. Indeed, I think this case can be fairly distinguished from the case of Hubbard v. People, supra. Here it was the duty on the part of the stenographer, under the statute, to take down the notes relied upon. The statute requires the reporter to take “full phonographic notes of the evidence.” (Hurd’s Stat. 1917, par. 82b, p. 870.) Our law takes the view that without the admonition in question the plea of guilty will not support the judgment of conviction. If a proper plea of guilty be evidence, then the admonition, to be proper, must likewise, in effect, be evidence. In other words, if the plea without the admonition is not evidence of guilt, and the plea together with the admonition of the court is, in effect, evidence of guilt, it would seem to follow that the admonition is practically a part of the evidence; that the whole of the colloquy between the court and the accused was something which the statute required to be taken down by the stenographer.
The holding of the opinion in.a case like this seems to me to apply a rule to the statute when the reasoning for the rule has ceased to exist. As stated substantially in Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railway Co. v. Walsh, supra, the adoption of modern methods has evidently supplanted the old practice of judge-made notes. They rarely are fully kept by any trial judge. Why, therefore, should the court insist upon such notes when they are often no longer made? ‘Why should the court not give the same effect to that which has taken their place as it does to the notes of the judge, when, as everyone knows, they are as reliable, if not more so, than the judge’s notes, because more complete and in greater detail? The oath of the official reporter, as well as the recollection of the judge at the time of entering the amending order, offers a sufficient degree of accuracy and reliability in the subject matter of the amendment. I do not think it is doing violence to the language of the statute to say that the reporter’s notes taken in obedience thereto is a “quasi official note or memorandum or memorial paper,” and therefore satisfies the rule already laid down repeatedly by the courts with reference to the memorandum upon which an amendment of the record may be based. For these reasons I respectfully dissent.
Mr. Justice Thompson, also dissenting.