People v. Thibodeaux CA2/1

Filed 3/20/14 P. v. Thibodeaux CA2/1
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IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT

DIVISION ONE

THE PEOPLE, B246364

Plaintiff and Respondent, (Los Angeles County
Super. Ct. No. KA0098244)
v.

KENNETH JEROME THIBODEAUX,

Defendant and Appellant.

APPEAL from a judgment of the Superior Court of Los Angeles County, Wade
Olson, Commissioner. Affirmed.
Vanessa Place, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for Defendant and
Appellant.
Kamala D. Harris, Attorney General, Dane R. Gillette, Chief Assistant Attorney
General, Lance E. Winters, Senior Assistant Attorney General, Margaret E. Maxwell,
Supervising Deputy Attorney General, and Yun K. Lee, Deputy Attorney General, for
Plaintiff and Respondent.
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 Appellant Kenneth Thibodeaux challenges his conviction for continuous sexual
abuse. He contends that the trial court’s admission of a surreptitiously recorded
conversation between himself and the victim’s mother contravened Penal Code section
632, subdivision (d), and was a violation of his Fourth Amendment right of privacy, and
his Fifth and Sixth Amendment right to counsel. We affirm.
PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
Appellant was charged by information with aggravated sexual assault of a child
(count 1; Pen. Code, § 269, subd. (a)(1)),1 forcible child molestation (count 2; § 288,
subd. (b)(1)), continuous sexual abuse (count 3; § 288.5, subd. (a)), and rape (count 4;
§ 261, subd. (a)(2)). Appellant pleaded not guilty.
Before trial, appellant moved to suppress a recording of a cell phone call
conversation between himself and his estranged wife, the victim’s mother, C. Thibodeaux
(C.), which C. made under the direction of Detective Alfonso Lopez, of the Los Angeles
County Sheriff’s Department (LASD). Appellant’s counsel argued that the conversation
was recorded in violation of sections 629.72, 631, 632 and 182, as it was “a confidential
communication recorded without the knowledge or the consent of defendant.” Counsel
also argued that the recording violated appellant’s Fourth Amendment right to privacy.
At the hearing on the motion, appellant’s counsel also argued that the recording violated
appellant’s right to counsel and his right against self-incrimination.
The parties stipulated that, following appellant’s arrest in January 2012, he
exercised his rights under Miranda v. Arizona (1966) 384 U.S. 436 [86 S.Ct. 1602, 16
L.Ed.2d 694] (Miranda), and was released, and that the phone call was recorded at the
detective’s request after appellant had been released. The prosecution asserted that
(1) disclosure of the recording was permissible, and use of the recording was permitted
for law enforcement; (2) the term “victim,” encompassed the victim’s mother; and
(3) that the Invasion of Privacy Act (§ 630 et seq.) was not preempted by federal law

1 All further statutory references are to the Penal Code unless otherwise indicated.

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because California law is more restrictive than federal law. The prosecutor argued that,
although the “law enforcement exception” and “victim of the crime exception” were
independent of one another, both applied and C. had acted as the LASD’s agent.
Appellant’s counsel disagreed that “victim” included the victim’s mother. The parties
stipulated that C. recorded the call from appellant “under the direction” of the detective,
and at a time when no case was pending against appellant, but after his initial arrest and
exercise of his Miranda rights.
During the portion of the hearing directed to the Invasion of Privacy Act, the trial
court itself raised, and the parties argued, whether the issue was governed by Fourth
Amendment search and seizure law, section 632 having been abrogated by the passage in
1982 of Proposition 8.2 The court noted that Proposition 8 “federalized” California’s
search and seizure law such that exclusion of unlawfully obtained evidence was required
only if required by the United States Constitution. At the conclusion of the hearing the
trial court found no Fourth, Fifth or Sixth Amendment violations, and denied the motion
to suppress.
A jury deadlocked as to counts one, two and four, and the court declared a
mistrial. Appellant was found guilty as to count 3.
Appellant was sentenced to 16 years in state prison, ordered to pay various fees
and fines, and awarded 162 presentence custody credits. The remaining counts were
dismissed due to plea negotiation. This timely appeal followed.
FACTUAL BACKGROUND

2 “[I]n 1982, the California voters passed Proposition 8. Proposition 8 enacted
article 1, section 28 of the California Constitution, which provides in relevant part:
‘Right to Truth–in–Evidence. Except as provided by statute hereafter enacted by a two-
thirds vote of the membership in each house of the Legislature, relevant evidence shall
not be excluded in any criminal proceeding, including pretrial and post conviction
motions and hearings. . . .’ (Cal. Const., art. I, § 28, subd. (f), par. (2).)” (People v. Lazlo
(2012) 206 Cal.App.4th 1063, 1069.) Previously, the “Right to Truth–in–Evidence”
provision enacted by Proposition 8 was found in subdivision (d) of article I, section 28 of
the California Constitution.

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Prosecution evidence
The victim, born in September 1994, who was 18 years old at the time of trial, was
three when she met appellant. Appellant married the victim’s mother, C., in 2001. C.
and appellant had a son, R.. The victim lived with her mother, R., and appellant.
Appellant had two daughters from a previous marriage, Caitlyn and Kaylee, who were a
few years older than the victim. They visited their father often, and slept in the living
room or den when they stayed at the house. C. left for work at about 6:45 a.m., leaving
the victim home alone with appellant who drove her to and from school.
The victim called appellant “dad,” and had a good relationship with him until she
was about eight years old. Once, as the victim fed her turtle in her bedroom after school,
appellant came into her room wearing only shorts, pulled down his shorts and exposed
his erect penis. He then walked out after pulling up his shorts. Later, appellant
apologized for his behavior. He told the victim not to say anything because her mother
would be upset with her, and promised not to do it again.
One night in 2004, when the victim was about 10 years old, C. saw appellant get
out of bed at about 11:00 p.m., and thought he was going to the bathroom. When he
didn’t return right away C. went looking for him. She found him in the living room
where the victim and Kaylee were asleep in front of the T.V. The victim was wearing
underpants, and her nightgown was raised to her chest. C. saw appellant crawling slowly
toward the sleeping girls with a hand in his pants. When C. asked him “[w]hat [he was]
doing?,” appellant pulled his hand out and said, “I don’t like what you’re accusing me
of.” He explained that he wanted to watch something on television; appellant had a
television in his bedroom. The next day, C. took the victim to a hospital for a sexual
abuse examination.
After that exam, C. had the victim and R. sleep with her for a few days with the
door locked. A social worker investigated the incident. Appellant seemed nervous and
told the victim not to say anything or it would break the family apart, upset her mother
and she and R. would be sent to foster care. When interviewed, the victim did not tell the
social worker anything about the prior indecent exposure incident. C. drove the victim to

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school for the next two years. After that, the victim changed schools and appellant
resumed taking her to school and picking her up.
One morning, between January and May 2007, when the victim was 12 years old,
she was lying in bed before school. Appellant came into her bedroom in his underwear,
lay down behind the victim and put his arm around her; she felt something hard. The
victim turned around and appellant got on top of her and pulled off his underwear and
hers while holding her hands above her head. The victim tried to push him off.
Appellant opened the victim’s legs with his hands and inserted his penis into her vagina.
When appellant stopped, the victim saw that blood was smeared between her legs.
Appellant told her to clean up and to get ready for school. The victim did not tell anyone
what happened because she felt confused and betrayed. Around this time, appellant had
sex with the victim four or five times. The sex took place in the victim’s room when C.
was not home. Sometimes the victim tried to get away. The victim yelled at and
scratched appellant, who laughed and said she was “playing hard to get.” C. noticed the
scratches; appellant said they came from yard work.
Between January 2008 and late September 2008, when the victim was 13 years
old, appellant had sex with her every morning before taking her to school. He would lie
next to her, get on top of her quickly and inserted his penis into her vagina. Sometimes
the victim was able to run away, and other times he caught her and brought her back to
her bedroom. Sometimes appellant held the victim’s hands over her head. Sex was
always on the victim’s bed or on the floor. A few times the victim scratched appellant on
his stomach or chest. Appellant ejaculated on the victim’s stomach or leg. He washed
her blankets and curtains. C. asked appellant about the scratches; he claimed to have
gotten them working in the yard.
Appellant continued to have sex every morning with the victim after she turned 14
years old in 2008. The victim did not tell anyone because she did not think anyone would
believe her and she was afraid her family would be broken up.
One morning, in 2009 when the victim was 15 years old, C. left for work in the
morning but returned home about 30 minutes later because the traffic was bad. As she

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quietly entered the house, C. saw appellant coming out of the victim’s room in his
underwear. He looked startled and his penis was erect. C. yelled at appellant and
confronted him. Appellant said, “[I]t’s not what you think.” Inside the room C. found
the victim on her bed in her pajamas, curled in the fetal position. When C. asked her
daughter what appellant had been doing in her room, the victim said she did not know.
C. took the victim to school, and asked her what had been going on. The victim
cried but did not tell her mother anything. After that morning, appellant stopped coming
into the victim’s room in the morning. C. did not recall having any further conversations
with appellant about the incident, and took no action. The victim stopped speaking to
appellant after that incident.
The victim graduated from high school in 2011. In the two years leading up to the
victim’s graduation, the victim described appellant as “paranoid.” He called her, looked
through her journals and phone, and followed her. Appellant allowed the victim no
privacy, and she and he argued frequently.
On November 11, 2011, the victim told her mother she did not want appellant to
attend her graduation. When asked why, the victim said that appellant had been sexually
abusing her since she was eight years old. The victim also told appellant’s daughters.
While appellant was out, C. packed his belongings and, when he returned, she accused
him of raping the victim. Appellant denied “everything” and left the house. The next
day, C. took the victim to the police station to report the sexual abuse.
On November 21, 2011, the victim and C. spoke with Detective Lopez. Detective
Lopez is assigned to the Special Victim’s Bureau of the LASD Child Abuse Unit, and is
specially trained to investigate child sexual abuse cases. The victim was unclear about
the dates on which the incidents of abuse occurred. She told Detective Lopez that
appellant had started having sex with her when she was 13 years old in 2008, and stopped
in 2009. The victim began having sex in 2007 when she started to have boyfriends. The
victim did not tell Detective Lopez that appellant had raped her three to four times when
she was 12 years old, did not mention that he had held her hands over her head, opened
her legs with his hands, chased her or that she tried to fight him off. The victim told

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Detective Lopez appellant had exposed himself to her, but never mentioned the incident
when she was feeding her turtle. She also told him that she had almost told her mom
about appellant when C. found appellant coming out of her room but “couldn’t bring
herself to do it.” C. told Detective Lopez she had returned home that morning because
she had suspicions about appellant and the victim. C. did not mention to Detective Lopez
that appellant had an erection as he left the victim’s room.
A few weeks after their initial interview, Detective Lopez asked C. to record a
“pretext” call between herself and appellant or appellant and the victim.3 C. and the
victim made several unsuccessful attempts to reach appellant from Detective Lopez’s
office. In January 2012, the district attorney’s office rejected the case for insufficient
evidence. No charges were filed and appellant was released from custody. Detective
Lopez instructed C. to try again to record a pretext call. In February 2012, C. filed for
divorce.
In May 2012, appellant called C. from his cell phone. C. recorded the
conversation and gave the recording to Detective Lopez. The jury heard excerpts of that
conversation.
In the call, appellant tells C. he needs to “protect himself” and hopes their
conversation will “remain between you and I and nobody else.” He says he still loves C.,
hopes they can still have a future together and apologizes for “everything and any pain”
he has caused. C. asks appellant to explain why he and the victim “continue[d] that for
so long.” Appellant acknowledges that C. deserves answers but says he is afraid that
Detective Lopez will be “knocking on [his] door,” and asks C. to give him her word their
conversation will remain between them; she does. He tells her that the victim came to
him lonely and seeking affection. She wanted appellant to cuddle with her in the
mornings. Their relationship began with hugging, but then “one day we did that.”

3 A pretext call is a recorded conversation between the suspect and another
individual commonly used as an investigative technique to gather evidence against the
suspect.

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Appellant says the victim was practically naked, wearing a thong and was “like you know
you like it.” Appellant tells C. the relationship with the victim lasted about six months
and that he had never forced himself on her. He says it was not a one-way street, but
does not want to blame the victim. When C. observed that appellant was supposed to
resist, he replied, “I failed,” and acknowledged that he was “a weak man.” C. tells
appellant it is sad that he ruined his life and family “over a piece of fucking pussy.”
Appellant replies, “Yea it’s pretty sad and . . . I feel horrible about it.”
Defense evidence
LASD Deputy Erick Escobar interviewed the victim and C. on November 12,
2011. The victim told Escobar she was 12 years old when she was first raped by
appellant. He raped her three or four times during the next six months. After she turned
13, he raped her every morning. Appellant stopped raping the victim after she started
high school. The victim’s school records show that she earned A’s and B’s between 2006
and 2009, and was ranked seventh out of 322 students at her junior high. In 2006 and
2007, the victim was involved in two conflicts with another student, and received
detentions. She had five tardies during the 2006 school year, one in 2007, and four in
2008.
A senior LASD criminologist examined the victim’s bedroom in January 2012 for
potential evidence of sexual assault, particularly semen. None was found. According to
the criminologist, temperature changes, the passage of time, and laundering of sheets,
rugs or carpet tend to degrade or decrease the chance of finding biological materials. C.
told the criminologist the carpet had been shampooed in November 2011.
Phillip Lopez, who was about a year older than the victim, was her boyfriend from
the time she was in fourth grade until she was in ninth grade. The victim had told him
she felt close to appellant (her “father”), that she loved him and that she and he talked a
lot about everything. The victim never said anything negative about appellant, never said
he had sexually abused or raped her, and never gave Philip and reason to believe she was
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 Serita Moore is appellant’s mother. Moore never saw appellant treat the victim
any differently than any of the other children. Sometime before November 2011,
appellant told Moore that the victim was angry at and not speaking to him, but he did not
know why. In early November 2011, C. told Moore that the victim had said appellant
molested her twice, when she was nine and 11 years old. When Moore asked C. if she
believed her daughter’s accusation, C. said, “Well, if I believe Ken, I’m gonna lose [the
victim]. And I will not lose my daughter.”
Appellant’s youngest daughter Kaylee, from his first marriage to Cassandra
Thibodeaux, was 19 at the time of trial. Kaylee was six years old when her parents
divorced. She saw her father about four times per week thereafter, spent most weekends
with appellant and lived with his family for two months in 2008 when she was in middle
school. Nothing sexual ever occurred between Kaylee and appellant, and appellant was
never aggressive with Kaylee, her sister Caitlyn, or the victim. Kaylee and the victim
were like sisters and “talked about anything.” In the mornings, appellant dropped the
victim off at her grandmother’s or a friend’s house before taking Kaylee to school.
Appellant’s family had a turtle in the den, but not in the victim’s room. Between 2009
and 2011, the victim did not appear intimidated by appellant, or withdrawn or reclusive.
Once when Kaylee and the victim were teenagers, the victim told Kaylee that she was
trying to get appellant out because she wanted her mother to be with someone who “has
money and that drives a Mercedes Benz,” not a construction worker like appellant.
Appellant’s eldest daughter, Caitlyn, was 21 at the time of trial. She described
appellant as a loving but strict father. As a child, Caitlyn visited appellant’s home “all
the time,” and had visited frequently between 2007 and 2009 when everything seemed
fine. The victim had written a poem and made a plaque for appellant for Father’s Day in
2008, and attended Caitlyn’s graduation in 2009 at which the family took photos
together, and looked happy. The victim and appellant made a photo collage for Caitlyn’s
18 birthday. There was no lengthy period during which the victim and appellant did not
communicate. Caitlyn and the victim were close until recently. Caitlyn described the
victim as a person who was not intimidated, and who “gets what she wants.” In 2008 or

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2009, the victim had said her mother needed someone with money and who drove a
Benz, not someone who came home with paint on his hands. She said she wanted to
“plot to get rid of [appellant].” When Caitlyn said they were “all happy,” the victim
responded that, “[We] could all be happy without him.” In November 2011, the victim
told Caitlyn that appellant had molested her.
Anthony Collins is appellant’s stepbrother. The two have a close relationship,
although they drifted apart and had no contact from late December 2006 until early 2010.
Appellant had a loving and close relationship with his children, with whom he was very
close. He treated the victim the same as his other daughters. The victim was sometimes
disrespectful and “talked back” when appellant criticized her clothes. In October 2011,
appellant called Collins. He was upset, and said that the victim did not want C. to be
married to him anymore. Collins overheard the victim tell her mother she needed to find
someone rich. Appellant lived with Collins’ family from November 2011 until June
2012. Collins has a daughter, but was not concerned about appellant being around her.
Pamyla Burris is appellant’s sister, and they are very close. The victim has always
been “very strong willed, very mouthy, sassy.” After she became a teenager, the victim
got “more direct, more bossy, manipulative.” Appellant disciplined all his children,
including the victim. Burris has seen appellant discipline the victim for wearing
inappropriate clothing and for not listening to adults at dinner. Burris would not believe a
recording that C. produced because she and the victim are angry with appellant and want
to get rid of him.
Cassandra Thibodeaux was married to appellant for 12 years before they divorced.
The divorce was amicable and they remain friends. Appellant was a caring husband, a
“good dad” and never engaged in any inappropriate acts towards their daughters. After
appellant married C., he was devoted to her and their family, although he was
“henpecked” and C. was difficult. Between 2007 and 2009, the victim frequently spent
the night at Cassandra’s house. She spoke highly of appellant and seemed happy,
although there was occasional conflict between the victim and Cassandra’s daughters. In

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2010, the victim started saying she wanted appellant to make more money and wanted C.
to be with someone who drove a Lexus or a Mercedes.
Appellant testified that he never had sexual intercourse with the victim. In 2003,
appellant’s family had a pet turtle, but it was kept in the den, not the victim’s room.
When the victim was in eighth grade, appellant took care of the household and dropped
the victim at her grandmother’s house (which was near the victim’s school) in the
morning before he went to work.
The relationship between appellant and the victim changed in 2009, when the
victim was in the ninth grade. At that time, the victim felt unloved by her family and
came to him for hugs. Appellant told C. to read the victim’s diary because he felt she
was not showing the victim enough affection; C. refused. The victim required frequent
discipline for lying, inappropriate behavior with boys, wearing inappropriate clothing and
being disrespectful. Disciplining the victim was a major source of conflict between
appellant and C. Once in early 2011, appellant found an empty liquor bottle. After he
confronted her, the victim screamed and cursed at appellant and tried to hit him, hitting
her mother instead. After appellant closed his bedroom door, the victim kicked a hole in
it.
In July 2011, appellant and C. argued about buying the victim a car. The
argument lasted several hours, after which the victim said appellant did not make enough
money and her mother should find someone else and get rid of him.
Appellant thought he and C. had a “good” relationship, but she often believed
appellant was cheating on her.
With regard to the incident in 2004, when the victim and Kaylee were asleep in the
living room, appellant explained that he awoke about 11:00 p.m. after hearing the
television. He had gone into the living room to check on the girls, and was kneeling
down to retrieve the remote control, which was between the victim and Kaylee, to turn
off the television when C. came up behind him and startled him. C. did not lock the
victim, R., and herself in the bedroom for two days after that incident.

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 Appellant first learned about the victim’s allegations of sexual abuse in early
November 2011, when C. told him the victim did not want him to attend her graduation.
The victim wanted to bring a young man to her graduation. Appellant did not approve of
the young man (he was 21; the victim was 17), and told the victim she could not bring
him. The victim became upset, they argued and the victim accused appellant of sexual
abuse. Appellant moved out of the house a few days later to give C. space, and because
she changed the locks.
Appellant was arrested in January 2012. He was released two days later, after
which he and C. spoke often. They discussed the allegations, and appellant denied ever
having sex with the victim. Appellant believed C. would come back to him, and they
could rebuild their family if he told her “something.” Portions of his conversation with
C. are missing from the tape that was played for the jury. In the missing portion, C. told
appellant that if he told her “something, then we can possibly work through this.”
Appellant told C. that his relationship with the victim went on for “six months”
because “that’s about the time that [the victim] was coming to me and saying that she
wanted—she just wanted hugs and she didn’t feel loved.” He said he wanted to tell C.
the truth but did not want to lose his freedom because he was afraid his words might “get
twisted.” He told C. he understood if she never wanted to see him again because of
everything that had happened during their marriage. Appellant denied that his
relationship with the victim ever went beyond hugs. He told C. what she wanted to hear
in order to restore their relationship. Appellant told C. about an incident when the victim
came out of her room in a thong and he told her not to come out dressed like that. He had
never told her about that before. When appellant told C. during the call that he had
“failed,” he was referring to their marriage. At the end of the conversation, appellant
apologized to C. for being upset.
Rebuttal
The victim testified that, even after appellant raped her she made him a Father’s
Day plaque in middle school, because she “still wanted [her] family to be together.” She
smiled in photos taken at Caitlyn’s graduation and other events because “everything was

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a secret” and she did not want to “expose” herself. The victim did not say she wanted her
mother to be with someone who made more money, although late in high school she had
told C. she should be with someone else if she was unhappy with appellant. The victim
also wanted C. to leave appellant because he was raping her. Appellant only dropped the
victim at her grandmother’s house on Tuesdays when she was in high school. She did
not have to be at school until later on those mornings. Otherwise, appellant dropped the
victim at school. When appellant raped the victim in the morning, she was often late to
school; appellant wrote notes for her. The victim had a turtle in her room between
second grade and fourth grade. A different turtle had been kept in the den when the
victim was in middle school. The victim never drank appellant’s alcohol. C. and
appellant argued about the type of used car to buy for the victim. Appellant did not want
the victim to have a “decent car.” The victim did not want appellant at her graduation
because she was not comfortable with him. There was no 21-year-old man the victim had
wanted to attend her graduation.
The parties stipulated that a defense investigator had spoken to Cassandra in
October 10, 2011, and Cassandra said the victim did not want Kaylee and Caitlyn to
come into her room in 2010, and Caitlyn “did not want to visit the house or the victim
anymore and stopped visits there.” The parties also stipulated that Caitlyn told a defense
investigator in October 2012, that she “stopped visiting her dad’s house regularly because
she did not feel welcome by C. and [the victim] was draining her.”
DISCUSSION
Appellant contends that the trial court erred in admitting the recording of the cell
phone call he made to C. As he argued below, he maintains that admission of the
recording violated section 632, subdivision (d), his reasonable expectation of privacy
under the Fourth Amendment and his right to counsel under the Fifth and Sixth
Amendments. We conclude otherwise.
1. Abrogation of Invasion of Privacy Act, Penal Code section 630 et seq.
Appellant contends the trial court violated the Invasion of Privacy Act (§ 630 et
seq.), by admitting C.’s audio recording. The Invasion of Privacy Act, enacted in 1967

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(Stats. 1967, ch. 1509, p. 3584, § 1), regulates wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping,
and prohibits the electronic eavesdropping or recording of any “confidential
communication” absent consent of all parties to the communication.4 (Kight v. CashCall,
Inc. (2011) 200 Cal.App.4th 1377, 1388; People v. Chavez (1996) 44 Cal.App.4th 1144,
1148.) With specified exceptions, the statute bars admission of any recorded confidential
communication in a judicial proceeding. (§ 632, subd. (d).) Two exceptions are pertinent
here: the law enforcement exception (§ 633),5 and the evidentiary exception (§ 633.5).6
Appellant maintains that the trial court erred in admitting C.’s audio recording
under either exception. Regarding this contention, the record discloses that during the
hearing on the motion to suppress, the parties stipulated that C. made the recording at the
direction of Detective Lopez. The purpose of making the recording was to try to obtain
an admission from appellant that he had committed a sexual offense against the victim.
The prosecutor argued that the recording fell within the exceptions stated in sections
633.5, and 633. At the hearing, the court bypassed the parties’ arguments regarding
applicability of the exceptions. It found the recording admissible because the statutory

4A “confidential communication” is “any communication carried on in
circumstances as may reasonably indicate that any party to the communication desires it
to be confined to the parties thereto . . . .” (§ 632, subd. (c).)
5 Section 633 provides that, nothing in section 632 prohibits “any sheriff,
undersheriff, or deputy sheriff regularly employed and paid in that capacity by a
county, . . . or any person acting pursuant to the direction of one of these law enforcement
officers acting within the scope of his or her authority, from . . . recording any
communication that they could lawfully . . . record . . . ,” and nothing in section 632
“renders inadmissible any evidence obtained by the above-named persons by means
of . . . recording any communication that they could lawfully . . . record . . . .”
6Section 633.5 provides that, nothing in section 632 “prohibits one party to a
confidential communication from recording the communication for the purpose of
obtaining evidence reasonably believed to relate to the commission by another party to
the communication of the crime of . . . any felony involving violence against the person,”
or “renders any evidence so obtained inadmissible in a prosecution for . . . any felony
involving violence against the person . . . .”

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exclusionary rule contained in section 632 was abrogated by passage of Proposition 8,
and concluded it was bound by federal Fourth Amendment law. These issues were
recently addressed by our colleagues in Division Four in People v. Algire (2013) 222
Cal.App.4th 219 (Algire), a decision published after briefing was completed here. Rather
than reinvent the wheel, we draw extensively on that thorough and well-reasoned
opinion.
“‘[I]n 1982, the California voters passed Proposition 8. Proposition 8 enacted
article I, section 28 of the California Constitution, which provides in relevant part:
“Right to Truth-in-Evidence. Except as provided by statute hereafter enacted by a two-
thirds vote of the membership in each house of the Legislature, relevant evidence shall
not be excluded in any criminal proceeding, including pretrial . . . motions and
hearings . . . .” (Cal. Const., art. I, § 28, subd. (f), par. (2).)’ [Citation.] The ‘Truth-in-
Evidence’ provision in subdivision (f), paragraph (2), of article I, section 28 of the
California Constitution (article 1, 28(f)(2)) ‘was intended to permit exclusion of relevant,
but unlawfully obtained evidence, only if exclusion is required by the United States
Constitution . . . .’ (In re Lance W. (1985) 37 Cal.3d 873, 890 (Lance W.).) Section
28(f)(2) is applicable not only to judicially created rules of exclusion [citation], but also
to statutory evidentiary restrictions [citations].” (Algire, supra, 222 Cal.App.4th at
p. 227.)
In Algire, supra, 222 Cal.App.4th 219 the defendant began sexually abusing his
stepdaughter when she was 17, shortly after she came to the United States from China to
live with her mother and defendant, who had recently married. The victim, who wanted
to obtain her green card, had a practice of recording conversations to advance her English
skills. (Id. at p. 223.) In one conversation recorded on the victim’s cell phone without
the defendant’s knowledge, the defendant stated that the last time he had touched the
victim she “was not ‘wet at all’ and that he believed that she needed instruction in sex
from him because her body did ‘not understand what [was] happening.’” (Ibid.)
Before trial, the defendant objected to the admission of the audio recording on the
basis of section 632. The prosecutor argued that the recording fell within the exception

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for felonies involving violence against the person (§ 633.5) or, alternatively, that
Proposition 8 abrogated the statutory rule requiring exclusion of such evidence. (Algire,
supra, 222 Cal.App.4th at pp. 226–227.) The appellate court addressed only the former
ground. (Id. at p. 227.)
Algire, supra, 222 Cal.App.4th 219 confronted the following issue. “[I]n 1985,
the Legislature enacted the Cellular Radio Telephone Privacy Act of 1985 (1985 Act).
(Stats 1985, ch. 909, p. 2900.) The focal element of that legislation is Penal Code section
632.5, which prohibits the interception of cellular telephone communications, absent
specified circumstances. [Citation.] In enacting the statute, the Legislature also amended
section 632 and related statutes to reflect the addition of section 632.5, without making
substantial changes to the wording of the exclusionary rule set forth in subdivision (d) of
section 632. At least two-thirds of the members of each house of the Legislature voted in
favor of the 1985 Act.” (Algire, at p. 228, fns. omitted.) At issue in Algire was whether
the 1985 enactment revived the exclusionary rule of section 632, subdivision (d),
previously abrogated by section 28(f)(2). (Ibid.)
Guided by the Supreme Court’s analysis in Lance W., supra, 37 Cal.3d 873, the
court in Algire, supra, 222 Cal.App.4th 219 found no legislative intent to resuscitate the
abrogated exclusionary rule of section 632, subdivision (d). (Algire, at p. 230.) The 1985
Act reflected a declaration of legislative intent focused exclusively on the need to protect
private cell phone communications. (Stats.1985, ch. 909, § 2, pp. 2900–2901 [“[T]his act
is intended to provide recourse to those persons whose private cellular radio telephone
communications have been maliciously invaded by persons not intended to receive such
communications”].) The court observed that the narrow scope of the Legislature’s intent
was further illustrated by section 632.5 itself, the primary element of the 1985 Act. “That
provision discloses no intent to nullify the operation of Proposition 8, as it contains no
provision akin to subdivision (d) of section 632 establishing an exclusionary rule.”
(Algire, at p. 230.)
As a result, the audio recording of the cell phone conversation between the victim
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violation of the Fourth Amendment. (Algire, supra, 222 Cal.App.4th at pp. 229–230;
Lance W., supra, 37 Cal.3d at p. 896.) Because the victim in Algire had not recorded the
conversation while acting as a government agent, the defendant’s Fourth Amendment
interests were not implicated. (Algire, at p. 230; see also Jones v. Kmart Corp. (1998) 17
Cal.4th 329, 333; Zhou v. Pittsburg State University (D.Kan. 2003) 252 F.Supp.2d 1194,
1203–1204 [under 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(d), recordings of conversation between private
individuals made with consent of one party to conversation is admissible].)
The same principles obtain here. The only distinction between this case and
Algire, supra, 222 Cal.App.4th 219 is that in Algire, there was no question the recorded
conversation was between two private individuals.7 Here the parties stipulated that C.
acted “under the direction of” the LASD when she recorded her cell phone conversation
with appellant.8 Thus, the question is whether federal law required exclusion of the
recording. (Lance W., supra, 37 Cal.3d at p. 896.)

7If she were not, appellant’s Fourth Amendment interests would not be
implicated. (Algire, supra, 222 Cal.App.4th at p. 230.)
8 The trial court also found the recording admissible on the ground that C. acted as
an agent of law enforcement. We need not address the propriety of this ruling, as the
recording was admissible on the alternative ground articulated by the trial court. We
affirm the trial court’s rulings, not its reasoning and will affirm on any theory properly
established by the record. (People v. Mason (1991) 52 Cal.3d 909, 944; D’Amico v.
Board of Medical Examiners (1974) 11 Cal.3d 1, 18–19.)

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2. No Fourth Amendment violation
As pertinent here, the Fourth Amendment protects ones oral conversations from
the “uninvited ear,” unless one of the parties to the conversation consents to the
eavesdropping or recording. (Katz v. United States (1967) 389 U.S. 347, 352 [88 S.Ct.
507, 19 L.Ed.2d 576]; People v. Murphy (1972) 8 Cal.3d 349, 359, fn. 9 (Murphy) [“one
party to a telephone conversation may constitutionally allow another to listen to” and
record it]; People v. Windham (2006) 145 Cal.App.4th 881, 891–892.)
Murphy, supra, 8 Cal.3d 349 guides our analysis. There, the defendant argued
that, although he may not have had a reasonable expectation that informants would not
testify to their conversations with him in court, he did have a reasonable expectation their
conversations were not simultaneously being heard and recorded by the police. (Id. at
p. 360.) The California Supreme Court saw “no distinction between the risk one faces
that the person in whom he confides will later breach that trust by testifying about the
conversation and the risk that such person has already betrayed him and is
instantaneously transmitting their conversation electronically to police equipped with
radio receivers.” (Ibid; accord United States v. White (1971) 401 U.S. 745, 751 [91 S.Ct.
1122, 28 L.Ed.2d 453]; Lopez v. United States (1963) 373 U.S. 427, 439 [83 S.Ct. 1381,
10 L.Ed.2d 462].)
Similarly, appellant had no reasonable expectation that C. would not breach his
trust. In Lopez v. United States, supra, 373 U.S. 427, the United States Supreme Court
rejected a claim similar to the one urged here, stating: “Stripped to its essentials,
petitioners argument amounts to saying that he has a constitutional right to rely on
possible flaws in the [Internal Revenue] agent’s memory, or to challenge the agent’s
credibility without being beset by corroborating evidence that is not susceptible to
impeachment. For no other argument can justify excluding an accurate version of a
conversation that the agent could testify to from memory. We think the risk that
petitioner took in offering a bribe to [the agent] fairly included the risk that the offer
would be accurately reproduced in court, whether by faultless memory or mechanical
recording.” (Id. at p. 439, fn. omitted.) Here, appellant was well aware of the risks

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involved in confiding in C., and willingly assumed the risk that she could “divulge the
contents of that conversation, and should that happen, there has been no violation of the
right of privacy.” (Smith v. Cincinnati Post & Times-Star (6th Cir. 1973) 475 F.2d 740,
741.) Accordingly, appellant’s Fourth Amendment claim fails.
Federal statutory law is in accord. (See 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(c) [“It shall not be
unlawful . . . for a person acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic
communication, where such person is a party to the communication or one of the parties
to the communication has given prior consent to such interception”]; 18 U.S.C.
§ 2511(2)(d) [party to communication not acting under color of law may intercept
communication except for purpose of committing criminal or tortious act]; Zhou v.
Pittsburg State University (D. Kan. 2003) 252 F.Supp.2d 1194, 1203–1204 [evidence
obtained in contravention of Pen. Code, § 632, but which does not violate 18 U.S.C.
§ 2511(2)(d), is admissible in non-diversity action].) Appellant’s Fourth Amendment
claim fails.
3. No Fifth Amendment violation
Appellant argues that the audio recording was the product of “badgering” by C.
who was on a mission on behalf of the police intended to get appellant to incriminate
himself.
With respect to the scope of our review as to whether a Miranda violation
occurred, “‘We must accept the trial court’s resolution of disputed facts and inferences,
and its evaluations of credibility, if they are substantially supported. [Citations.]
However, we must independently determine from the undisputed facts, and those
properly found by the trial court, whether the challenged statement was illegally
obtained.’ [Citations.] We apply federal standards in reviewing defendant’s claim that
the challenged statements were elicited from him in violation of Miranda. [Citations.]”
(People v. Bradford (1997) 14 Cal.4th 1005, 1033.)
Illinois v. Perkins (1990) 496 U.S. 292 [110 S.Ct. 2394, 110 L.Ed.2d 243]
(Perkins) is instructive. In Perkins, the United States Supreme Court held that Miranda
was not implicated by a conversation between an incarcerated suspect and an undercover

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agent posing as a fellow inmate. No Miranda warning was given before the
conversation. “It is the premise of Miranda that the danger of coercion results from the
interaction of custody and official interrogation . . . . When the suspect has no reason to
think that the listeners have official power over him, it should not be assumed that his
words are motivated by the reaction he expects from his listeners.” (Perkins, at p. 297.)
“Questioning by captors, who appear to control the suspect’s fate, may create mutually
reinforcing pressures that the Court has assumed will weaken the suspect’s will, but
where a suspect does not know that he is conversing with a government agent, these
pressures do not exist.” (Ibid.)
A similar conclusion was reached in People v. Williams (1988) 44 Cal.3d 1127, in
which the California Supreme Court held that Miranda “has never been applied to
conversations between an inmate and an undercover agent.” (Williams, at pp. 1141–
1142.) As the court explained: “This is because Miranda warnings serve to dispel the
coercive effect of police custodial questioning. Both adjectives are crucial: Miranda
does not apply to noncustodial police interrogation or to nonpolice custodial
interrogation. When a defendant talks to a fellow inmate, the coercive atmosphere of
custodial police interrogation is absent.” (Id. at p. 1142, italics omitted.) Nor, for
purposes of the Fifth Amendment analysis, does it matter that appellant did not know C.
was acting at or under the direction of the police when he spoke with her. As explained
in Perkins, supra, 496 U.S. 292, “Conversations between suspects and undercover agents
do not implicate the concerns underlying Miranda. . . . [¶] It is the premise of Miranda
that the danger of coercion results from the interaction of custody and official
interrogation.” (Perkins, at p. 296.)
These principles are well illustrated by People v. Plyler (1993) 18 Cal.App.4th
535 (Plyler). There, the defendant was arrested for child molestation and asserted his
right to counsel. While in jail, defendant called the victim’s grandmother who told the
police about the call. With the grandmother’s permission, the police attached a recorder
to her phone, and instructed the officer in charge of the county jail to tell defendant to
“call [the grandmother], collect.” Defendant called the grandmother twice, and spoke

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with the victim during each call. In one call he made incriminating statements. (Id. at
pp. 540–541.) The court held that defendant’s incriminating statements made during the
surreptitiously-recorded conversations were not the product of custodial interrogation
within the meaning of Miranda. In so holding, the court reasoned that “Miranda was
designed to protect and preserve an accused’s Fifth Amendment privilege against self-
incrimination during incommunicado interrogation of individuals in a police-dominated
atmosphere.” (Plyler, at p. 544.) But when “‘a suspect does not know that he is
conversing with a government agent,’” the pressure to incriminate himself does not exist,
and there is no requirement to give Miranda warnings. (Plyler, at p. 545.) Although
appellant claimed his phone call to the victim amounted to “‘official intimidation’” and a
custodial interrogation, the court found that “one would be hard-pressed to characterize
appellant’s phone conversations with [the victim] as ‘police custodial’ interrogation as
defined in Miranda . . . . Even if appellant had been ‘forced’ to place the call, he did not
know [the victim] was working with the police. Under Perkins, [supra, 496 U.S. 292,]
absent such knowledge there is no reason to assume he might feel coerced and no Fifth
Amendment violation occurred.” (Plyler, at p. 545.)
So too here. Clearly, appellant’s statements to C. were not the product of a
coercive custodial interrogation within the meaning of Miranda. Appellant’s statements
were freely made several months after he had been released from custody because the
district attorney declined to file formal charges, to a person whom he did not believe was
acting under the direction of police. (Perkins, supra, 496 U.S. at p. 297; Williams, supra,
44 Cal.3d at pp. 1539–1540.)
4. No Sixth Amendment violation
Finally, appellant faults the trial court for violating his Sixth Amendment right to
counsel. The asserted right never arose and could not have been violated here.
“The Sixth Amendment right to counsel attaches at the time adversary judicial
proceedings are initiated against the accused, such as when the defendant is indicted or
arraigned. [Citations.]” (People v. Frye (1998) 18 Cal.4th 894, 987, disapproved on
other grounds by People v. Doolin (2009) 45 Cal.4th 390, 420, fn. 22.) “Hence, an

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uncharged suspect undergoing police questioning possesses no such Sixth Amendment
right.” (People v. DePriest (2007) 42 Cal.4th 1, 33; Davis v. United States (1994) 512
U.S. 452, 456–457 [114 S.Ct. 2350, 129 L.Ed.2d 362].) As explained in People v. Woods
(2004) 120 Cal.App.4th 929, “[U]ntil such time as the ‘“‘government has committed
itself to prosecute, and . . . the adverse positions of the government and defendant have
solidified,’”’ the Sixth Amendment right to counsel does not attach. [Citation.]” (Id. at
p. 940.) “‘Any other [result] would be inconsistent with the United States Supreme
Court’s recognition that, before the formal instigation of charges, the investigative
functions of the police should not be “unnecessarily frustrate[d]” by overprotective
application of the Sixth Amendment. [Citations.]’” (Id. at p. 941.)
C.’s recording was made before formal charges were filed. No Sixth Amendment
violation occurred.
DISPOSITION
The judgment is affirmed.
NOT TO BE PUBLISHED.

JOHNSON, J.

We concur:

ROTHSCHILD, Acting P. J.

MILLER, J.*

* Judge of the Los Angeles Superior Court, assigned by the Chief Justice pursuant
to article VI, section 6 of the California Constitution.

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