People v. Cardenas CA5

Filed 6/17/14 P. v. Cardenas CA5

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IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

FIFTH APPELLATE DISTRICT

THE PEOPLE,
F065841
Plaintiff and Respondent,
(Super. Ct. No. 1405767)
v.

ULISES SANCHEZ CARDENAS, OPINION
Defendant and Appellant.

APPEAL from a judgment of the Superior Court of Stanislaus County. Ricardo
Cordova, Judge.
Philip M. Brooks, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for Defendant and
Appellant.
Kamala D. Harris, Attorney General, Dane R. Gillette, Chief Assistant Attorney
General, Michael P. Farrell, Assistant Attorney General, Charles A. French and Doris A.
Calandra, Deputy Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
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A jury found defendant Ulises Sanchez Cardenas (Sanchez) (at trial, the parties,
the judge, and the witnesses referred to defendant as “Mr. Sanchez”) guilty of first degree
murder (Pen. Code,1 § 187, subd. (a)) and two counts of assault with a firearm (§ 245,
subd. (a)(2)). The jury found that Sanchez committed the offenses in association with a
criminal street gang (§ 186.22, subd. (b)(1)) but did not find that he personally discharged
a firearm (§ 12022.5, subd. (a)). Sanchez was sentenced to an indeterminate term of 25
years to life plus a determinate term of 10 years.
Codefendants Isidro Carranza and Rafael Lopez testified against Sanchez at trial.
On appeal, Sanchez contends that coercive police interrogation techniques rendered
Carranza’s and Lopez’s testimony unreliable, and therefore, the admission of their
testimony denied him a fair trial. Because the issue of the admissibility of Carranza’s and
Lopez’s testimony was not raised at trial, Sanchez further contends that he received
ineffective assistance of counsel when his attorney failed to move to exclude their
testimony.
In addition, the parties agree that the court incorrectly imposed a consecutive 10-
year term for the gang enhancement to the murder charge and that the appropriate
enhancement is the requirement that Sanchez serve not less than 15 years in prison.
(§ 186.22, subd. (b)(5).) We will modify the judgment to correct the sentence.
Otherwise, we affirm.
FACTS AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY
Shortly after 5:00 p.m. on July 29, 2009, Albert Schopp was seen leaving his house
in Modesto driving his blue Chevrolet. Around 6:00 p.m., Stanislaus County Deputy
Sheriff Luke Schwartz was dispatched to Boulder Avenue and Broadway Avenue on the
report of a shooting. He saw an older Chevrolet parked in the middle of the roadway. It
appeared that the rear window had been shot out. The victim was lying on the ground
outside the driver’s-side door with one foot still in the car. Schopp died of a gunshot
wound to the head.

1Subsequent statutory references are to the Penal Code unless otherwise specified.

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 Witnesses reported that a sport utility vehicle (SUV) had been following or
chasing Schopp’s car right before the shooting. Witnesses saw someone in the SUV with
a firearm, although accounts of the size of the weapon and the armed person’s location
within the SUV varied. Schopp’s stepbrother, Erick Fernandez, and Fernandez’s friend,
Dario Rios, had been riding in the Chevrolet with Schopp. Fernandez told a detective that
a blue SUV had chased them; Schopp told his passengers to get down and, after
Fernandez ducked down, he heard one gunshot.
Jose Cabrera, who lived in the area and observed the SUV chasing Schopp’s car,
told the police about an earlier incident involving the same SUV. Cabrera noticed a
group of six young people—boys and girls around 15 to 21 years old—walking near a
market across the street from Cabrera’s house. The SUV was headed toward the market
when Cabrera saw a boy from the group shoot at the SUV. After the single gunshot, the
young people on the street ran, and the SUV drove away. A few minutes later, Cabrera
saw the same SUV drive by chasing Schopp’s car. Cabrera thought about 10 minutes had
passed between the shooting at the market and when he saw the SUV chasing Schopp’s
car.
The suspect vehicle was described as a green or blue Ford Expedition, and further
investigation led the sheriff’s department to contact Carranza. Sergeant Brandon Kiely
arrived at Carranza’s house at 12:05 a.m. on July 30, 2009, and observed a Ford
Expedition parked in the driveway. A family member woke Carranza up, and Kiely asked
him about the Expedition. Carranza agreed to go to the sheriff’s office. Carla Gonzalez,
Carranza’s live-in girlfriend at the time, also went to the sheriff’s office that night.
Detective Ken Hedrick interviewed Carranza, and the interview was videotaped.
The interview lasted over four hours. Initially, Carranza denied any knowledge of either
of the shootings.
Going into the interview, Hedrick did not know the names of any other suspects.
At some point during the interview, Hedrick was given the name Ulises by a detective

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who interviewed Gonzalez,2 and Hedrick asked Carranza about him. Eventually,
Carranza admitted that Ulises was responsible for the shooting. Carranza provided
Ulises’s last name and showed Hedrick where he lived. Carranza said a person called
Timber—later identified as Lopez—was riding in the back seat of the Expedition.
Carranza explained that Sanchez lived with Timber at Timber’s family’s house. After the
interview, Carranza, who was 17 years old at the time, was sent to juvenile hall. Later, he
was held in county jail.
Sanchez and Lopez were arrested on the morning of July 30, 2009. Detective
Darwin Hatfield interviewed Lopez, and the interview was videotaped. Lopez told the
detective that he was in the Expedition, Carranza was driving, and Sanchez fired the shot.
Detective Francisco Soria interviewed Sanchez. Sanchez admitted he was a
member of the Sureños and his moniker was Popeye. He reported that he had been at
work early the previous day, then he went to the store and stayed at home the rest of the
day. Sanchez said that his enemies were Norteños and anybody who disrespects him.
The next day, a criminal complaint was filed against Sanchez, Carranza, and
Lopez. All three defendants were charged with murder, two counts of attempted murder,
two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, and active participation in a criminal street
gang. Sanchez was alleged to have personally and intentionally discharged a firearm.
Carranza and Lopez were housed in the same cell in jail. Lopez reached a plea
agreement with the district attorney in 2011. He agreed to testify in exchange for
pleading guilty to a single count of participation in a criminal street gang with an
aggravated term of three years. Carranza also reached a plea agreement under which he

2According to Gonzalez’s trial testimony, on the day Schopp was killed, she saw
Carranza at around noon, when he gave her a ride to her mother’s house. Carranza was
driving the Expedition, and Sanchez was in the vehicle with him. The next time she saw
Carranza was when he picked her up from her mother’s house at around 9:00 or 10:00
p.m. At that time, he was alone.

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was allowed to plead guilty to one count of manslaughter and one count of attempted
murder with a nine-year prison term in exchange for his testimony.
On October 20, 2011, the Stanislaus County District Attorney filed a six-count
information against Sanchez only. He was charged with the murder of Schopp (§ 187;
count 1), the attempted murders of Fernandez and Rios (§§ 187, 664; counts 2 and 3),
assault with a firearm upon Fernandez and Rios (§ 245, subd. (a)(2); counts 4 and 5), and
active participation in a criminal street gang (§ 186.22, subd. (a); count 6). For counts 1
through 5, it was alleged that Sanchez personally used a firearm (§ 12022.5 subd. (a)) and
committed the offense for the benefit of a criminal street gang (§ 186.22, subd. (b)(1)).
For counts 1 through 3, it was also alleged that (1) Sanchez acted deliberately and with
premeditation (§ 189); (2) he personally discharged a firearm, causing great bodily injury
or death (§ 12022.53, subd. (d)); and (3) he was a principal of the offense, and at least one
of the principals personally discharged a firearm, causing great bodily injury (12022.53,
subd. (e)(1)).
A jury trial began on June 27, 2012. Lopez and Carranza were called as witnesses
by the prosecution.
Lopez’s testimony
Lopez testified that on July 29, 2009, he lived with his parents, his wife, and
Sanchez. Lopez was home that day. Around 12:30 p.m., Carranza and Sanchez arrived at
his house. They hung out for a while and drank beer. In the afternoon, they drove to a
friend’s house and then another friend’s house. Carranza drove his Ford Expedition.
They headed to a store near Boulder and Broadway. At the store, “[s]ome kids shot at”
Carranza’s Expedition. Carranza drove away, and Lopez noticed a bullet hole on the
Expedition.
Lopez testified that Sanchez “said that he wanted to go get a gun, because he
wanted to go and look for those kids, the one[s] that shot the vehicle.” Sanchez gave
Carranza directions to a house. Sanchez got a gun from a shed next to the house. It was

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in a piece of luggage like a backpack. Sanchez sat in the front passenger seat, and Lopez
sat in the back behind Sanchez. Sanchez opened the backpack, and Lopez saw a rifle
about 18 inches long.
They drove back to the market. They saw a car, “[l]ike an Oldsmobile.” Sanchez
said, “they’re already looking for us to shoot us or something.” Carranza followed the
car. The car stopped at the side of the road, and Carranza also stopped. Lopez saw the
driver trying to get out of the car and two passengers ducking down inside the car.
Sanchez put a bullet in the weapon. Sanchez “got out of the window, sitting in the
window with his legs still inside the [Expedition] and pointed the gun at the vehicle.”
Lopez heard one loud shot and saw the driver fall to the ground.
Sanchez handed a shotgun shell to Lopez and said it was the one he had just used.
Lopez gave it back to Sanchez, who cleaned the shell with a rag and threw it out the
window. They returned the gun to the shed. Then they went to Lopez’s house. They did
not talk about the fact that someone had just been shot. They talked about how
Carranza’s car had been shot and how to fix it. The three of them went to AutoZone.
Sanchez drove his car, a green Cadillac, and they arrived at the store about 30 minutes to
an hour after Schopp had been shot. They bought a package of Ford stickers, which
Sanchez paid for. They went back to Lopez’s house, and Lopez put a sticker on the
Expedition to cover the bullet hole. They hung out for a while at Lopez’s house, and at
some point, Carranza left in his Expedition.
Lopez denied that he was an active gang member but agreed that he associated
with Sureños and knew a lot about gang culture. He testified that Sanchez was a Sureño
gang member in a subset called Southside Trece or SST. Sanchez believed the person
who had shot Carranza’s Expedition was associated with the Norteños. The victim was
not the person who had shot Carranza’s Expedition near the market, but the people in the
car they had followed were also Norteño gang members.

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 Carranza’s testimony
Carranza testified that in July 2009 he was a member of SST, a subset of the
Sureños.3 Sanchez was his good friend, and he was also a member of SST. Carranza
thought Sanchez had higher stature in the gang than he did because Sanchez had been a
member of the gang longer. Carranza testified that Lopez was “[j]ust an associate” of the
Sureños, not a member of the gang, which meant he hung out with Sureños but did not do
anything to benefit the gang.
Around 1:00 p.m. on July 29, 2009, Carranza drove his mother’s Ford Expedition
to Lopez’s house. After about 20 minutes, Carranza and Sanchez went to Carranza’s
house. Carranza and his girlfriend, Gonzalez, had a baby boy. Carranza and Sanchez
took Gonzalez and the baby to Gonzalez’s father’s house. After they dropped off
Gonzalez and the baby, Carranza and Sanchez drove back to Lopez’s house. They drank
beer and hung out, and after about two hours, Carranza, Sanchez, and Lopez went to a
neighborhood called the O.G., which includes the area of Boulder Avenue and Broadway
Avenue. They were driving near a liquor store on Boulder when Carranza saw a group of
about five pedestrians. Sanchez called them “busters,” which is a derogatory word for
Norteños. About a minute later, Sanchez told Carranza they were being shot at, and
Carranza “[t]ook off.” They went to a house to get a gun, and then they drove back to the
O.G. to “get some pay back.”
When they returned to the O.G., Carranza saw three people in a car. Carranza
recognized Schopp from the neighborhood and considered him an enemy because he was
a Norteño. Carranza followed Schopp’s car. Schopp’s car stopped, and Carranza stopped
directly behind him. Then Carranza saw Sanchez “come out of the window” and fire a
shotgun. Carranza thought the shotgun was about two feet long. Carranza took off, and
they dropped the gun off at the house where they had picked it up. They went to Lopez’s

3At the time of trial, however, Carranza did not consider himself a Sureño.

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house. Carranza had the idea to cover the bullet hole on the Expedition with a sticker.
They went to AutoZone in Sanchez’s Cadillac. Carranza testified that he paid for the
Ford stickers. They returned to Lopez’s house and Carranza stayed for a while. Then he
left to pick up Gonzalez and their baby and they went home.
Other evidence at trial
Witnesses’ observations of the SUV chasing Schopp’s car varied in many of the
details. Jose Cabrera testified that he saw a person in an SUV “leaning out the window
with a shotgun .…” The shotgun was about three feet long. Cabrera said the person with
the shotgun was in the back seat behind the front passenger. Cabrera’s girlfriend saw an
Expedition chasing Schopp (whom she knew) and did not see any passengers in Schopp’s
car. She saw “a guy in the backseat [of the Expedition] with a gun pointed out the
window.” She described the gun as a small handgun about eight inches long.
Antonio Cortez lived on Boulder Avenue near Broadway at the time of the
shooting. He observed a light blue Caprice going up and down the street “at least four,
five times .…” He saw a greenish Explorer following the Caprice. He only saw a driver
and a front passenger in the Explorer. The two vehicles turned left onto Broadway, he
lost sight of them, and then he heard one gunshot. After the gunshot, Cortez saw the
Explorer drive in reverse on Broadway, make a U-turn, and head west on Broadway. As
the Explorer backed up, he noticed the front passenger door was being closed. It
appeared the passenger was not seated “but getting in about to be seated .…” Cortez’s
brother was at Cortez’s house that day. He testified that someone in a Ford SUV
“stuck … one hand out the rear passenger side window and then fired the shot.” He
described the firearm as a small, semiautomatic handgun, not a shotgun or long rifle.
Another witness told a deputy he saw three people in an Expedition, the driver
fired a handgun, and the rear passenger yelled something out the window. Fernandez,
who was in the car with Schopp, told Detective Hedrick that the shot came from the front
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 Deputy Sheriff Jon McQueary testified about shotgun ammunition. A shotgun
shell usually holds many pellets of a certain size and wadding to hold the projectiles in
place. When a shotgun shell has only one projectile instead of numerous pellets, the
projectile is referred to as a slug. At the crime scene, a fragment of lead was found inside
Schopp’s car along the dashboard on the driver’s side. McQueary found an expended
shell casing on Boulder just north of the market at Broadway. A pathologist also
recovered plastic wadding and lead fragments from Schopp’s brain. Based on his training
and experience, McQueary believed a single lead slug from a shotgun went through the
rear window of Schopp’s car, passed through Schopp’s head, struck the front windshield,
and then fell in the dashboard area. A shotgun shell can only be fired from a shotgun, not
from a standard handgun. A search of Lopez and Sanchez’s house was conducted on
July 30, 2009. In Sanchez’s bedroom, a deputy found in a dresser drawer a shotgun shell
with a slug.
Sergeant Kiely processed the Ford Expedition found in front of Carranza’s house.
Carranza’s fingerprints were found on the exterior of the rear passenger-side cargo
window, and Lopez’s fingerprints were found on the exterior of the rear passenger
window. Kiely observed a Ford sticker on the rear passenger-side quarter panel of the
Expedition. He removed the sticker and found a piece of tissue paper wadded up in a
hole that appeared to be a bullet hole. The front passenger seat of the Expedition was
pushed all the way forward. Sanchez was five feet two inches tall and the shortest of the
three codefendants.
Kiely also searched Sanchez’s Cadillac. In the center console area, he found a
receipt from AutoZone for two Ford stickers with a purchase date of July 29, 2009.
McQueary went to an AutoZone store on Paradise Road, a couple miles from the crime
scene, and was able to recover a security camera video recording from the evening of
July 29, 2009. The video and time stamp showed Sanchez, Carranza, and Lopez in the

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store buying stickers at 6:36 p.m. McQueary also found Ford stickers for sale at the store
that matched the sticker that covered the bullet hole on the Expedition.
Detective Chad Bankston testified about the Sureño street gang. Southside Trece
is a subset of the Sureños in Stanislaus County. The Sureños’ primary activities include
homicide, drive-by shootings, drug dealing, possession of firearms, carjacking, extortion,
and intimidation of witnesses. Their enemies are the Norteños, which is also a criminal
street gang. The neighborhood known as the O.G., where Schopp was killed, is a high
crime area. It was once run by Norteños, but now there are Sureños and Norteños in the
neighborhood. Broadway and Boulder is the Norteño part of the neighborhood. Based on
his review of law enforcement information, Bankston determined that Sanchez, Carranza,
and Lopez were all active Sureño gang members, and Schopp was a Norteño gang
member. Among the three codefendants, Bankston believed Sanchez had the most status
as a Sureño.4 He opined that the shooting of Schopp benefited the Sureños because it
helped the “domination of the neighborhood with … fear and intimidation” and was
direct retaliation for the earlier shooting of Carranza’s vehicle in front of the market,
which Sanchez, Carranza, and Lopez understood to have been committed by Norteños.
Bankston testified that, based on their status in the gang, Sanchez and Carranza had an
obligation to retaliate after Carranza’s vehicle was shot by suspected Norteños. If they
failed to retaliate, it would have been a sign of weakness and they would have been
punished by their own gang.
At the close of the prosecution’s case, the trial court granted Sanchez’s
section 1118 motion and dismissed counts 2 and 3, the charges of attempted murder.

4Bankston explained, “Based on the contacts … with law enforcement, how far
back he’s claiming to be in a Sureño criminal street gang, crimes he’s been guilty of, the
fact that he’s been sentenced and served time in juvenile hall, those are things that are
going to elevate your status.” Sanchez also had “SST” tattooed on his chest, which he
“probably earned.” In contrast, there was “[n]ot much” gang information related to
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 In her closing statement, Sanchez’s counsel argued that Carranza and Lopez were
not credible witnesses and, without their testimony, there was no evidence Sanchez was in
the Expedition when Schopp was shot. She suggested that, during the initial interviews,
Carranza and Lopez told the detectives what they wanted to hear, rather than the truth,
and Carranza’s and Lopez’s stories were not completely consistent with each other
because they were “just making it up .…”
On July 20, 2012, the jury reached a verdict finding Sanchez guilty of the first
degree murder of Schopp (count 1) and assault upon Fernandez and Rios (counts 4 and 5).
The jury also found that Sanchez committed the offenses for the benefit of a criminal
street gang. The jury did not find true the allegations that Sanchez (1) personally and
intentionally discharged a firearm and proximately caused great bodily injury or death;
(2) personally used a firearm; and (3) personally and intentionally discharged a firearm
and proximately caused great bodily injury.
After the jury was excused, the court noted that the verdict forms for count 6, the
gang-participation charge, had not been presented to the jury. The prosecutor agreed to
dismiss the charge, and count 6 was dismissed.
At the sentencing hearing on August 17, 2012, the trial court imposed an
indeterminate term of 25 years to life for count 1 plus 10 years for the gang enhancement.
The court imposed identical terms of seven years (consisting of a lower term of two years
plus a gang enhancement of five years) for counts 4 and 5, to be served concurrently with
the term for count 1. The court also imposed a restitution fine of $5,000.
Judgment was entered on August 17, 2012, and Sanchez filed a notice of appeal on
September 25, 2012.
DISCUSSION
I. Ineffective assistance of counsel based on failure to move to exclude testimony
Sanchez contends the trial court should have excluded the in-court testimony of
Carranza and Lopez because coercive police interrogation techniques rendered it

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unreliable and its admission in evidence therefore denied him his right to due process of
law. Acknowledging that his trial counsel did not request exclusion of this testimony,
Sanchez further asserts that his trial counsel rendered ineffective assistance of counsel by
failing to move to exclude Carranza’s and Lopez’s testimony.
To prevail on an ineffective-assistance-of-counsel claim, Sanchez must show that
his trial counsel’s performance was deficient and that the deficiency caused him
prejudice. (People v. Cowan (2010) 50 Cal.4th 401, 493, fn. 31.) An attorney’s failure to
move to exclude admissible evidence does not amount to ineffective assistance. (People
v. Berry (1990) 224 Cal.App.3d 162, 170 [where evidence was admissible, “any motion
to have it suppressed would have been futile”; “[t]herefore, counsel was not ineffective
when he failed to make the motion”].) Accordingly, to assess Sanchez’s claim of
ineffective assistance of counsel, we consider whether Carranza’s and Lopez’s testimony
was inadmissible because of coercion.
A. Factual background
1. Interviews with detectives in 2009
As we have mentioned, Hedrick’s interview of Carranza and Hatfield’s interview
of Lopez were videotaped. Edited videos of the interviews were played for the jury, and
DVD’s and transcripts of the interviews are part of the record on appeal.
a. Carranza
At the beginning of the interview, Hedrick established that Carranza had a
girlfriend, Gonzalez, they intended to get married, and they had a four-month-old baby
boy. Hedrick read Carranza his Miranda rights and the interview continued.
Carranza initially claimed that he spent the afternoon with Gonzalez. Hedrick
reminded Carranza there had been a shooting and stated, “We have reasons to come to
your house tonight to talk to you.”
Carranza denied going to the O.G. Hedrick urged Carranza to tell the truth and
told him to think of his girlfriend and his baby. Asked how the Expedition got a bullet

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hole, Carranza first claimed that it was already there and probably his “sisters or the aunt
or mom” put the sticker over the hole. Informed that his relatives denied the sticker was
already there, Carranza responded, “I don’t know. Had a car crash. That’s it.” Hedrick
asked if Carranza would take a lie detector test and told him he knew Carranza was lying.
Carranza asked how he knew, and Hedrick replied, “Because I already know the answers.
I know what happened. I’m now coming to you and I’m giving you the chance to tell the
truth.” Hedrick continued: “[W]hen you lie and … you lie, then pretty soon you lied so
much that you get yourself in trouble and it’s harder to fix it. When you tell the truth,
then we can try to fix what the problem is. People make mistakes.” Carranza then
admitted that his car had been shot in the O.G. but claimed he was alone at the time.
Hedrick told Carranza that the market at Boulder and Broadway had cameras
outside and that was how law enforcement knew his Expedition was involved. Hedrick
said that, when the interview was over, he would show Carranza the video from the
market,5 but first he “want[ed] to give [Carranza] the chance to tell the truth.” Hedrick
indicated that he knew Carranza went back to the O.G. and chased a car. Hedrick also
said, “I can tell that you’re not a bad guy. I could tell right away. I talk to a lot of
people.” Hedrick observed that Carranza’s eyes were starting to water and told him it
was okay to be scared.
Hedrick asked if the “guys in the car” (Schopp and his passengers) shot at
Carranza’s car. Carranza responded, “I know I got shot at and there was just some guys
walking.” At this point, Hedrick asked what Ulises was going to tell law enforcement,
and Carranza responded, “Who?” Hedrick continued to remind Carranza of his family
and to suggest it was all a mistake: “Why do you want to do this to your family? You got
to think about your family. There was people out there. They saw it. We can start trying

5In fact, there was no video. The market did have a security camera, but a deputy
sheriff was unable to recover any video of the shootings because the camera was not
recording during the relevant time.

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to fix it. Somebody got killed. I know that’s not what you wanted to happen. But if you
lie, then it looks like you’re a bad guy and that it wasn’t a mistake. But when you tell the
truth, then we can explain … why it happened and what happened. And if you’re really
sorry for what happened, then you can tell the truth. And we can try to fix the mistake.…
It was a mistake, huh?”
Carranza insisted that he “didn’t do nothing.” Hedrick asked who else was with
him when he and his girlfriend left their house, and Carranza mentioned that he “gave
some guy a ride home” but asserted that he did not know the person’s name. Hedrick
stated that Gonzalez knew the person’s name and, further, she “tells us a different story.”
The questioning continued as follows:

“[Hedrick]: So the question now is when we go and arrest [Sanchez], is he
going to say that he was the shooter or is he going to say that you were the
shooter?

“[Carranza]: I don’t know.

“[Hedrick]: I don’t know either. This is … your chance. Before we talk to
him, they’re out looking for him right now. And they’re going to find him.
So this is your chance, your chance to tell me the truth before he does.
Don’t be stupid. You’re not stupid. Don’t make a mistake again.

“[Carranza]: Everything stay the same.”
Hedrick urged Carranza to admit he was driving the Expedition when Schopp was
shot: “You were just driving the car, huh? You weren’t the shooter, huh? Hey, come on.
Take the chance here. I’m giving you this chance. Don’t blow it. You were just driving
the car; right?” Hedrick told Carranza that Gonzalez was worried about him and he
should “do the right thing for her .…” He said, “If you were just driving the car, then you
got to tell me. Make it better for yourself. Make it better for yourself before [Sanchez]
comes in and he makes it better for himself.… Tell the truth so you can feel better.”
Carranza denied driving the Expedition.

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 Hedrick asked if Ulises6 was the shooter and speculated that Carranza did not
know that Ulises had a gun. Hedrick suggested possible scenarios to Carranza: “Did you
know he was going to shoot? Was he supposed to just shoot and just scare them?
Nobody was supposed to get hurt? If that’s the case and it was an accident, you got to tell
me. Because otherwise I got to think you guys were trying to kill somebody.”
Hedrick then indicated that Ulises had been arrested and warned Carranza: “Once
they start talking to [Sanchez] and he wants to make a deal, and he says that you’re the
shooter, game’s over. Do you understand? If he says that you were the shooter, you’re
going to go to jail and my report is going to show how you lied and lied and lied and lied,
and I gave you all kinds of chances. That’s not going to look good for you.”
The interview continued in this manner with Hedrick suggesting what happened,
urging Carranza to tell the truth, and reminding him to think of his family. Hedrick
asked, “[W]as it [Sanchez] that shot or was it someone else in your car?” He asked
Carranza who he cared more about, his family or Ulises, and Carranza answered his
family. Hedrick told Carranza to prove he cared about his family by doing “the right
thing” and telling the truth.
Carranza asked, “What’s a deal?” Hedrick replied, “Well, maybe [Sanchez] wants
to say that he was driving the truck and that you had the gun and he didn’t know.”
Carranza said that was a lie.
Detective Hatfield entered the interview room to perform a gunshot residue (GSR)
test.7 Hatfield explained to Carranza that powder comes out of a gun when it is fired that
can “get on you” if you shoot a gun or are near a person who shoots a gun.

6At this point, Hedrick did not know Sanchez’s last name.
7At trial, Hatfield testified that the main purpose of administering the GSR test
was “investigative,” not for its own evidentiary value. He explained, “[W]e … put them
in a mindset leading them to believe it did come back positive so the wheels turn in their
head that we know something.” On cross-examination, Hatfield stated that he conducted
GSR tests on Carranza and Lopez but did not remember giving the test to Sanchez.

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 Hatfield left. At this point, Carranza asked Hedrick what it would mean if,
unknown to him, someone in his car had a gun and suddenly pulled it out and Carranza
“just tr[ied] to leave. Like so nothing will happen.” Hedrick explained that might be an
accessory “as opposed to being someone who’s a killer.” Carranza asked what the legal
consequences would be under that scenario, and Hedrick responded that “who goes to jail
and for how long” was not up to him. Hedrick told Carranza he had gunpowder on his
hands8 and they were going to test the Expedition for gunpowder. While Carranza still
denied that he chased a car in the O.G., he expressed interest in a “deal” with the district
attorney. Hedrick told him, “I can’t guarantee that the DA will make you a deal.
[¶] …[¶] But I can guarantee that if you’re not truthful, there won’t be any deals.”
After further questioning, Carranza admitted that someone in his car had a gun.
Carranza observed, “The thing is what if I cooperate and then things still [go] bad.”
Hedrick responded, “It can’t go any worse.” Gonzalez was brought in to see Carranza,
and she told him to tell the detectives everything.
Carranza told Hedrick that Ulises was in the front passenger seat. Carranza
continued to deny that he chased a car and denied stopping behind a car. Hedrick stated:
“You had to have stopped, otherwise you would have [run] into the car. If you’re going

Hatfield also admitted that he did not read the instructions for the GSR test. An expert
for the defense testified that, in use of a GSR test kit, it is recommended to take samples
first using the stubs (which were described as similar to heavy duty double stick tape) and
then using the swab. Using the swab before the stubs risked destroying evidence.
Hatfield, however, had used the swab before the stubs with both Carranza and Lopez.
The defense expert further testified that the samples from Carranza and Lopez had
particles that could have come from the discharge of a firearm but could also have come
from other sources.
8To the extent Hedrick suggested the GSR test results conclusively showed
Carranza had been near a gunshot, this was not true. The defense expert found no
conclusive evidence of gunshot residue in either Lopez’s or Carranza’s samples. Trial
testimony suggests the sheriff’s department did not submit Carranza’s and Lopez’s GSR
kits for analysis as Hatfield testified that the Department of Justice would not test the kits
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to cooperate and want the DA’s office to help you out, you got to cooperate all the way.
All the way.” Carranza said that Ulises shot out the window of the Expedition. Hedrick
asked how many times he fired. Carranza responded, “It was just two—I think I didn’t
even hear nothing.” Asked again, Carranza said, “I just remember—I think I just heard
one.” Hedrick then explained, “I know he got shot one time. But I wanted to see if you
were going to tell me the truth.”
Hedrick drew a map of the area, and Carranza showed where Schopp was shot.
Carranza confirmed that Ulises was a Sureño and admitted that he associated with
Sureños. He thought the people in the car they chased were Norteños. Carranza reported
that Ulises’s street name was Popeye but denied that he himself had a gang moniker. He
also denied that he had any gang tattoos although he had a tattoo of three dots, which is
associated with Sureños. He thought the people who shot his Expedition in the O.G. were
Norteños.
Hedrick next asked Carranza who was sitting in the back seat of the Expedition.
Carranza admitted there was a passenger in the back seat but claimed he just met him that
day. Hedrick asked for Ulises’s last name, and Carranza told him it was Sanchez.
Hedrick left the interview room, and Hatfield entered. Hatfield told Carranza he
was not being truthful about not knowing who the back-seat passenger was. Hatfield told
Carranza he had to be totally honest: “You’re doing good. You came a long way tonight.
Okay? It takes a big man to do that. You got to understand our job. Our job is going to
find out who that third person is. Okay? Now whether or not you want to be totally
truthful, remember what I said, you have to be totally truthful if you want the DA to try to
work a deal with you. Totally truthful. Okay?”
Hatfield accused Carranza of going back to the O.G. “looking for retribution,
basically to get back at somebody for shooting your mom’s car.” Carranza denied
looking for anyone and said he was “just driving.” The detective told Carranza they were
done and Carranza was “going to get booked with one count of homicide and two counts

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of attempted homicide.” He suggested that a deal with the district attorney was unlikely.
Carranza responded, “I’m cooperating.” Hatfield then told Carranza that Sanchez had
admitted he was the shooter and, further, Sanchez said he shot because Carranza wanted
him to shoot because Carranza was angry about his car.9 Carranza denied telling Sanchez
to shoot.
Hatfield observed, “I know you wanted to shoot their car. I think it might have
been just an accident that the guy got shot.” Carranza responded, “Yeah.” Carranza said
the gun was “[p]robably a shotgun.” The detective suggested: “The only reason that you
turned toward them was so your buddy could shoot the gun at their car. Am I right or
wrong? The only reason you turned toward them [i.e., turned left onto Broadway] is so
[Sanchez] could shoot the gun and hit their car with it. And the driver just happened …
to get killed. Am I right or wrong?” The transcription of Carranza’s response reads
“[u]nintelligible,” but Carranza appeared to nod his head affirmatively. The detective
understood Carranza’s response as agreement because he next said, “Okay. Thank you.”
Carranza told Hatfield the person in the back seat was called Timber. Hatfield said
that Sanchez was “coming up with a totally different statement than what” Carranza was
saying and Sanchez was “actually being truthful” because “he’s feeling sorry that the guy
got shot.” Hatfield told Carranza they already knew who the person in the back seat was
and Sanchez said the person was Carranza’s friend. Carranza maintained that he did not
know the person’s name, other than Timber, but admitted that he picked up and dropped
off Sanchez and Timber at their house. The detective said: “I want to tell you something.
Okay? You’re going to be charged with one count of homicide, two counts of attempted
homicide. We’re also going to talk to the DA about you because you finally became

9Hatfield also reported that Sanchez said he did it because he was Carranza’s
friend. In fact, Sanchez had not admitted to anything as he was not even in custody at the
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honest.… [¶] … [¶] So that’s going to work in your benefit. Like I said earlier, I can’t
guarantee you anything .…”
Carranza was then driven to the area where Lopez and Sanchez lived, and he
pointed out their house.
b. Lopez
Detective Hatfield interviewed Lopez on July 30, 2009. The interview lasted over
two hours. Hatfield began by saying he already knew the answers to the questions he was
going to ask. He said, “The thing is, I want to treat you as a witness, not as a suspect.
[¶] … [¶] But if you’re not truthful,—[¶] … [¶]—you’re going to be treated as a suspect.
You’re going to go to jail today.” Hatfield continued: “Okay? Simple as that. If you’re
truthful, we might be able to work a deal out with the DA’s office. Okay?” Lopez said,
“Okay.”
Lopez told Hatfield that Sanchez was his friend. He admitted he used to be called
Timber. Hatfield asked, “You still [gang] bang a little bit?” and Lopez answered, “Yeah,
but I’m just on the side.” Lopez was 22 years old and he lived with his parents. His
girlfriend, who was over eight months pregnant, also lived with him. (At trial Lopez
referred to her as his wife.)
Hatfield observed that Lopez was not at the sheriff’s office “on [his] own free
will” and then read him his Miranda rights. Hatfield said he knew Lopez was “going to
try to BS” him and repeated that he already knew the answers to the questions he was
about to ask. Hatfield further told Lopez: “I know you were with those two guys last
night, yesterday afternoon when somebody gets shot. [¶] … [¶] … I know you’re not the
shooter. Okay? Do you understand that? I know you’re not. We know [who] is. Okay?
And we know [Carranza] is the driver, so it puts you as being a passenger. But I want
you to understand something because of your gang affiliation, okay, we could tie you into
it too. We don’t want to do that. Okay? We want to try to work as—you as a witness,
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 Hatfield’s interview of Lopez proceeded in a similar manner to Hedrick’s
interview of Carranza, with Lopez initially denying any involvement and later admitting
he was with Carranza and Sanchez when the shooting occurred. Hatfield also followed
the interview techniques Hedrick had used with Carranza. Hedrick asked whether Lopez
was having a boy or girl and told him to think of his baby and family. He (falsely) said
there was video from the market that showed “you guys drive by when the shooting
happens both times.” He said that Lopez’s girlfriend was being questioned and there was
a “total different picture” from what Lopez was saying. He mentioned a lie detector test
and administered a GSR test.
Hatfield told Lopez that they had already talked to Carranza and Sanchez and
witnesses at the scene and suggested that the killing may have been a mistake: “The other
thing too is I don’t think … [Sanchez] meant to shoot the victim. I think he was just
shooting at cars in retaliation for [Carranza’s] car getting shot. Okay? But unfortunately,
somebody got shot and they died. Okay?” At that point, Hatfield asked Lopez to tell him
in his own words what happened the previous day.
Initially, Lopez said that Carranza and Sanchez had been at his house in the
afternoon and then they left to visit Sanchez’s family in Fresno. Hatfield said he was
about done, and Lopez would be going to jail for homicide and two counts of attempted
homicide.
Hatfield told Lopez he was “worth saving” but was about to make a bad decision
by not telling the truth. He warned Lopez that the punishment for murder was life in
prison and “if we can prove premeditation, it’d get you the death penalty.”
Hatfield said: “[Y]ou’re about not to see your family for the rest of your life. I
can tell that’s hurting you. I can see it in your eyes, dude. Is there something else you
want to tell me about yesterday?” Lopez responded: “No. Well, you guys saw
everything. That’s what it is.” Lopez asked why they were still asking questions when
“[y]ou guys know what happened.” Hatfield stated that, by not telling the truth, Lopez

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was “taking the gang side of life.” Then he asked: “Just think about if your old lady gets
with a [Norteño] and your kid is raised as a [Norteño]? Wouldn’t that just get at you?”
Hatfield continued: “I’m about ready to walk out this door because I’m tired. I want to
go home. I’m going to go out and fill out some paperwork to book your ass in jail. You
decide you want to tell me the truth, you knock on that door. I’ll give you an opportunity.
But I guarantee you, once you leave here in cuffs and go to jail, no further opportunities.”
Lopez denied being in Carranza’s Expedition, and Hatfield said they were going to
test it for DNA. Hatfield told Lopez he already knew a shotgun was used in the shooting.
He talked about DNA testing and said: “So each little thing we’re doing here is one more
nail in your coffin. You need to understand that. I’m about ready to put you away for
life. Okay?” Lopez responded, “I didn’t shoot nobody though.” Lopez indicated that he
thought he had only been brought in as an eyewitness. Hatfield explained that Lopez was
not just a witness, he was a gang member hanging out with two gang members
committing a crime.
Lopez asked, “And what’s the only way I can do so I can get out?” Hatfield
answered: “Tell the truth. Tell the truth. It’s the only way. Now, is that going to stop
you from going to jail today? Probably not. But I’m going to tell you what the DA most
likely will do when it starts going to court. Guess who he’s [going to] offer a deal to?
The one that’s telling the truth, the one that’s less culpable at committing a crime. You’re
the less culpable because you didn’t pull the trigger. You’re less culpable because you
didn’t drive the car. You’re just a passenger.”
Lopez claimed he did not know what was going to happen and he could not say
anything or he would get in trouble with the gang. He did not want to be called a rat.
Hatfield said: “I can’t help you out unless you tell the truth. And the only way I can help
you out if you tell the truth, I’ll go talk to the DA. Then it’s the DA’s decision whether or
not to offer you a deal.” Lopez responded that he was “still going to [be] locked up no
matter what.” Hatfield told him: “You’re going to get locked up for a little while. Okay?

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Whether or not you go to prison, or you can go to county for a little while, that’s up to the
DA. The DA’s the one that makes the ultimate decisions of how you get charged—
whether you get charged at all. We can put you in jail today. They say, ‘No, we’re going
to treat him as a witness,’ and release you in 48 hours.”
Hatfield asked, what if Sanchez said he was not the shooter and Lopez was?
Lopez replied, “You guys got the video.” Hatfield said they only had video of the people
in the Expedition, not of the actual shooting.10 Hatfield further told Lopez that a witness
said the person in the back seat was the shooter.
Lopez said, “I’ll give them to you” and stated that he wanted to get out of jail that
day. Hatfield said that was not going to happen and Lopez was going to jail. Lopez
offered he would “say whatever” to get out that day. Again, Hatfield told him that would
not happen and, “The only thing I can tell you is that if you’re honest, the DA will look at
it and maybe offer you a deal.” Hatfield continued: “Now, you have … two choices,
and … you need to make it, not me.… You can either spend the rest of your life in
prison, or you take a shot at telling the truth, and hopefully spending some time with your
kid and your future—I’m sure you’re probably … going to get married—your future
wife.… [¶] … [¶] … Think about seeing your mom and dad at visiting times, not being
able to touch them, only being able to see them through glass and talk to them on a little
phone.”
At this point, Lopez said he did not want anyone hearing if he said something.
Hatfield assured him the walls were soundproof. Then Lopez told the detective that
Carranza was driving and Sanchez had the gun. He said Sanchez shot once. Asked why
he shot the gun, Lopez responded, “Because he had got shot first, that’s why.” Hatfield
asked why he shot that specific car. Lopez answered, “He was not going to shoot nobody,
but they—he thought that they were after us, because they were looking for us already.”

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Lopez stated that he did know where the gun came from. Hatfield told Lopez that he was
“doing the right thing.” Hatfield said he would go to bat for Lopez with the district
attorney but he could not guarantee anything.
2. Interviews with investigator in 2011
Froilan Mariscal is a criminal investigator with the Stanislaus District Attorney’s
Office assigned to its gang task force. Carranza and Lopez agreed to provide statements
about the shooting and, in December 2011, Mariscal interviewed them individually at the
county jail. The interviews were recorded and played for the jury.
a. Lopez
Mariscal interviewed Lopez first. He explained that Lopez’s attorney had given
him permission to talk to Lopez because “they’re trying to get a deal worked out.” He
warned Lopez this was his only chance to be completely honest.
Mariscal asked Lopez to tell him everything that happened on July 29, 2009.
Lopez said that Sanchez and Carranza arrived at his house around noon and they drank
beer in the backyard. They decided to go to a friend’s house, but Lopez claimed he did
not know the person’s name. The friend was not at his house, and someone at the house
told them to try another person’s place. Lopez said he did not know this person’s name
either. The second place was a trailer near Seventh Street. The friend was not there
either. Then Carranza, Sanchez, and Lopez went to a store. They stopped and parked on
the side of the street. A teenager pulled a gun and he shot once. Carranza, Sanchez, and
Lopez went back to the friend’s house. Then they drove by the store again on their way
back to Lopez’s house. Lopez said he felt the car going out of control and then Sanchez
told him to duck. Lopez heard a gunshot. He looked up and saw Sanchez with a gun.
At this point, Mariscal told Lopez there were were “a lot of blanks” in his story,
which indicated that Lopez was not being completely honest with him. He said, “That
tells me that you’re leaving out a lot of the details that we need to go forward with your
statement.” Mariscal asked who brought the gun in the car, and Lopez said it was

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Sanchez. Lopez said Sanchez was talking on the phone and the person he was speaking
to told Sanchez where he could find a gun. Lopez described the location of a house with
a shed where they went and Sanchez picked up the gun. He said it was in a bag like a
backpack or duffel bag.
During the interview, Lopez began crying and saying how fearful he was for his
family. He told Mariscal he was afraid of retaliation if he told him the truth. Mariscal
said that he understood and everybody gets scared.
Lopez reported that Sanchez said they would look for the teenager who shot at
them. Sanchez said he would take the gun from the teenager so it could be used by SST.
Sanchez knew the teenager was a Norteño, and he “had a problem with him before.”
Sanchez also knew that the victim was a Norteño. Lopez described seeing Sanchez shoot
out the window.
Lopez also identified the friend who was not at home as Clumsy and the person
who lived in the trailer as Chicken Legs. He thought the person from whose house they
retrieved the shotgun was called Yogi.
Lopez denied that he had a gun that day. He also denied that he touched Sanchez’s
firearm. He said that Sanchez caught the shotgun shell with his hand and handed it to
Lopez. Later, Sanchez threw the shell out the window. Asked what happened to the
shotgun after the shooting, Lopez answered that Sanchez “probably took it back to his
friend’s house,” but Lopez was not there.
b. Carranza
After Lopez’s interview, Mariscal interviewed Carranza. At the start, Mariscal
told him: “I can tell you that the DA on the case, he’s thinking about working out a deal
with you; right?… [¶] … [¶] … Okay. There … may have been some holes with your
statement, and that’s why I’m here. This is your opportunity to be completely 100 percent
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 Carranza said he went to Lopez’s house to visit Sanchez. Then Carranza, Lopez,
and Sanchez went to visit a friend, Vicente. From there, they headed to “some other
people’s house.” Carranza said they passed a liquor store on their way to “the second
guy’s house.” Sanchez rolled down his window and “said some things” to a group of
pedestrians, and then they were shot at. Carranza drove away. Carranza reported that he
saw Sanchez pull a gun out of his pants and he backed up and tried to leave. Carranza
said he did not know what happened to the gun.
After hearing Carranza’s version of events, Mariscal told him: “It’s very easy for
me to tell when somebody is not being completely honest with me just like you are right
now. Okay? It’s very easy for me to tell based on all the evidence what happened in this
case based on the investigation that we’ve been doing for a couple of years already. And
for you to come in here right now and to not be completely honest about what really
happened, that’s wasting my time and it’s wasting your time. Okay?” He continued:
“This story is the story that you want me to believe to minimize your culpability, to
minimize [Sanchez’s] culpability. This story is because you’re hiding things, it’s full of
holes, and it’s not believable.” Mariscal said: “This is your opportunity. I mean, if you
want to take it, you can take it.” At this point, Carranza responded, “I’ll tell you how it
happened.”
Carranza said that Sanchez called Vicente and said he was going to come over.
The three of them went to Vicente’s house. From there, they were going to go to “another
dude’s house.” On their way to the second house, they “went to the liquor store just to
drive around .…” They saw a group of people, and Sanchez said to pull over because he
saw Norteños. Sanchez screamed out, “‘Fucking busters.’” Carranza saw a person pull
out a gun from his shirt, and Carranza drove away. They drove to Yogi’s house and
Sanchez got the gun. Carranza said he had it in his shirt. They went back to the area
where the Expedition was shot. Sanchez wanted to find the kid who shot at them. Then
they saw the victim, whom Sanchez knew. Carranza chased the victim for around 30

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seconds. They passed the liquor store and turned. Carranza saw the victim get shot.
They dropped the gun off at Yogi’s house and then went to Lopez’s house. Mariscal
asked what kind of gun Lopez had, and Carranza answered that Lopez did not have a gun.
Carranza said he thought Yogi’s name was Marcos.
Mariscal asked Carranza some questions based on what Lopez had told him. He
asked if Sanchez caught the shell after he fired the shot. Carranza responded that he
threw it away. Mariscal asked if he gave it to Lopez, and Carranza said no. He asked if
they went to Chicken Legs’s house, and Carranza said no.
3. Trial testimony
Through cross-examination, Sanchez’s counsel challenged the credibility of
Carranza and Lopez and questioned the detectives’ interview techniques.
a. Carranza
On cross-examination, Carranza admitted that, during the interview with Hedrick,
he was trying to find out if there was something he could confess to that would be less
serious than murder. Carranza wanted to know what the punishment would be for
accessory because he was trying to decide if he would confess to something. He agreed
Hedrick mentioned that Sanchez had a gun before Carranza told him that Sanchez had a
gun. Carranza tried to minimize his culpability by giving Hedrick the impression that he
would never have anything to do with guns.
b. Lopez
On cross-examination, Lopez agreed that, during their interview, Hatfield
mentioned a possibility of a deal with the district attorney. Hatfield told Lopez “he would
see what he could do,” and that was what Lopez wanted. Sanchez’s counsel asked,
“Which story do you have to tell in order to get out of custody?” Lopez answered, “Say
the truth.” The questioning continued:

“[Counsel]: Q. Do you have to convince this jury of your last story to
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 “A. I just need to give the truth, and [that] depends on them if they give me
a chance to live once again and be with my family.

“Q. You think it’s up to the kindness of the District Attorney’s heart
because they want you to go home to your family?

“A. No. It’s not that. I know I did screw up some. I was talking about
other things. Everybody makes errors, but at this time it’s not the time to be
lying.

“Q. Right now is not the time to be lying?

“A. No.”
Lopez agreed that his “number one goal in this case … is to get out as soon as
possible .…” He admitted that, during the interview with Hatfield, Lopez said he would
be truthful and then continued to lie. Sanchez’s counsel pointed out that during the
interview Hatfield told Lopez that Carranza was the driver and Sanchez was the shooter
before Lopez had given Hatfield any information. Then Hatfield told Lopez that a
witness said the back-seat passenger was the shooter. Lopez admitted that this made him
nervous and it was at that point that he identified Sanchez as the shooter.
Sanchez’s counsel asked if Lopez lied to protect someone else or to help himself.
Lopez responded: “I said it because everything that the detective was saying, it was
making sense to my head, everything how it happened was going, so I had no choice but
to say it because basically somebody was saying something already.”
On redirect examination, the prosecutor followed up on what Lopez meant when
he testified that detective Hatfield was making sense. Lopez explained that Hatfield “was
making sense of how everything kind of, like, happened” and agreed the detective seemed
to know what had happened “[j]ust like [Lopez] had lived it .…” The prosecutor asked,
“Detective Hatfield was giving you bits of information that were right on with what
actually happened; is that correct?” Lopez answered, “ Correct.”
Lopez remembered that Hatfield told him multiple times to tell the truth during the
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Mariscal “[b]ecause a lot of them, they were going to hurt more to Sanchez, so I was kind
of holding back.” Lopez testified that he was telling the truth when he told the jury it was
Sanchez who killed Schopp.
c. Detectives
On cross-examination, Sanchez’s counsel asked Hedrick why he told Carranza
“‘Let’s fix this’” a number of times throughout the interview. Hedrick testified, “[M]y
intent was … that by telling the truth, he could fix this and kind of lessen” his culpability.
Defense counsel asked if that was also why Hedrick said things like “‘[m]aybe it was a
mistake’” and “‘[m]aybe you didn’t know it was going to happen.’” Hedrick explained
this was an interview technique “to make the situation look less than what it really is to
get him to initially just admit to being there.” Hedrick agreed that he lied about
apprehending Sanchez during Carranza’s interview and about the existence of a videotape
of Carranza’s car at the shooting.
On redirect examination, Hedrick testified that it was common for people to lie
before finally acknowledging they were involved in criminal activity. Hedrick believed
that Carranza lied at the beginning of the interview and was never 100 percent truthful but
some of the things he said about the crime were true. Hedrick testified that he did not try
to get specific answers from Carranza other than the truth.
Hatfield testified that he used the GSR test in an effort to encourage Carranza and
Lopez to tell the truth.
B. Analysis
“[D]efendants must allege a violation of their own rights in order to have standing
to argue that testimony of a third party should be excluded because it is coerced.”
(People v. Badgett (1995) 10 Cal.4th 330, 343 (Badgett).) As Sanchez acknowledges, it
is well settled that a defendant has no standing to object to a violation of the Fourth, Fifth,
or Sixth Amendment rights of a third party. (Badgett, supra, at pp. 343-344.)

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 Rather, “if the defendant seeks to exclude a third party’s testimony on the ground
the testimony is somehow coerced or involuntary, ‘[a]ny basis for excluding [the third
party’s] testimony must be found in a federal constitutional right personal to defendant.’
[Citation.] Further, the basis of the claim must be that coercion has affected the third
party’s trial testimony.” (Badgett, supra, 10 Cal.4th at p. 344.) “[O]nly when the
evidence produced at trial is subject to coercion are [a] defendant’s due process rights
implicated .…” (Ibid.)
When a defendant seeks to exclude coerced testimony of a witness or codefendant,
it is the defendant’s burden to establish the statement was involuntary. (People v.
Williams (2010) 49 Cal.4th 405, 453.) Therefore, it was Sanchez’s burden to show that
Carranza’s and Lopez’s trial testimony was coerced. The question of coercion, in turn,
requires a factual inquiry into the totality of the circumstances. (People v. Quiroz (2013)
215 Cal.App.4th 65, 78-79 (Quiroz) [considering and rejecting claim that police
interrogation of witness rendered testimony coerced where defendant failed to object to
witness at trial].) Sanchez has failed to meet his burden.
Carranza and Lopez testified pursuant to plea agreements, but this is not sufficient
to show coercion. In Badgett, the Supreme Court recognized: “We have never held, nor
has any authority been offered in support of the proposition, that an offer of leniency in
return for cooperation with the police renders a third party statement involuntary or
eventual trial testimony coerced. On the contrary, … we [have] held that testimony given
under an immunity agreement does not violate the defendant’s right to a fair trial, if the
grant of immunity is made on condition the witness testifies fully and fairly.” (Badgett,
supra, 10 Cal.4th at pp. 354-355.)
This is so even though our Supreme Court has also acknowledged that testifying
pursuant to an agreement involves a “certain degree of compulsion.” (People v. Homick
(2012) 55 Cal.4th 816, 862.) The court has explained:

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 “‘“[A] defendant is denied a fair trial if the prosecution’s case depends
substantially upon accomplice testimony and the accomplice witness is
placed, either by the prosecution or the court, under a strong compulsion to
testify in a particular fashion.” [Citation.] Thus, when the accomplice is
granted immunity subject to the condition that his testimony substantially
conform to an earlier statement given to police [citation], or that his
testimony result in the defendant’s conviction [citation], the accomplice’s
testimony is “tainted beyond redemption” [citation] and its admission
denies the defendant a fair trial. On the other hand, although there is a
certain degree of compulsion inherent in any plea agreement or grant of
immunity, it is clear that an agreement requiring only that the witness
testify fully and truthfully is valid.’ [Citation.] … These principles are
violated only when the agreement requires the witness to testify to prior
statements ‘regardless of their truth,’ but not when the truthfulness of those
statements is the mutually shared understanding of the witness and the
prosecution as the basis for the plea bargain. [Citation.]” (People v.
Homick, supra, 55 Cal.4th at pp. 862-863, italics added.)
In the present case, Sanchez does not claim the plea agreements required Carranza
and Lopez to testify in a particular fashion. In addition, Lopez testified as to
understanding that his plea agreement required him to “[s]ay the truth.” Accordingly, the
fact that Carranza and Lopez testified pursuant to plea agreements does not render their
testimony coerced.
We also observe that “mere advice or exhortation by the police that it would be
better for the accused to tell the truth when unaccompanied by either a threat or a promise
does not render a subsequent confession involuntary. [Citation.]” (People v. Jimenez
(1978) 21 Cal.3d 595, 611, overruled on other grounds in People v. Cahill (1993) 5
Cal.4th 478, 509-510, fn. 17.) Further, “[t]here is nothing improper in confronting a
suspect with the predicament he or she is in, or with an offer to refrain from prosecuting
the suspect if the witness will cooperate with the police investigation.” (People v.
Daniels (1991) 52 Cal.3d 815, 863.) The police “are not precluded from discussing any
‘advantage’ or other consequence that will ‘naturally accrue’ in the event the accused
speaks truthfully about the crime.” (People v. Ray (1996) 13 Cal.4th 313, 340.) Here, the
detectives consistently urged Carranza and Lopez to tell the truth. They also threatened

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them with prosecution for murder and discussed the possibility of a deal with the district
attorney without making any promises. These circumstances do not render Carranza’s
and Lopez’s interview statements coerced.
Sanchez argues his case is very similar to People v. Lee (2002) 95 Cal.App.4th 772
(Lee). We disagree. In Lee, the victim was shot in the back of the head at point-blank
range as he played dice with Saxon. (Id. at pp. 776, 781.) At trial, Saxon testified that,
upon hearing gunshots, he went into a fetal position and did not see who shot the victim.
(Id. at p. 781.) The prosecution then played a recording of an interrogation of Saxon by
police polygraph examiner Youngblood in which Saxon said that defendant Lee killed the
victim. A few minutes later, Saxon also told two police officers that Lee shot the victim.
The next day, however, Saxon recanted his statement. (Ibid.) At trial, Saxon testified
that his statement that Lee was the killer was false and he only made it because
Youngblood pressured him to name Lee as the killer or face trial for the murder himself.
(Id. at p. 782.)
The Court of Appeal concluded that police coercion by Youngblood made Saxon’s
prior statement to the police inherently unreliable. (Lee, supra, 95 Cal.App.4th at p. 782.)
Saxon had voluntarily gone to the police station to be interviewed about the shooting.
Youngblood administered a polygraph examination during which he asked if Saxon shot
the victim. (Ibid.) Youngblood then told Saxon there was a 97 percent probability he
was the person who shot the victim. (Id. at p. 783.) “Youngblood proceeded to threaten
Saxon with a first degree murder prosecution unless he identified defendant as the killer.”
(Ibid.) “Youngblood told Saxon: ‘So right now there’s no question in my mind either
you are the one that pulled that trigger or [Lee] and you pulled that trigger. Okay. What I
am going to tell you now, before this thing gets too far out of hand, work with me or work
against me. That’s where you are, where you are. Now, that’s the reality of it.’ Saxon
replied, ‘I’m with you.’” (Id. at p. 784.) Youngblood also suggested a motive for Lee
killing the victim, telling Saxon that the victim was seeing Lee’s girlfriend. (Ibid.)

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 Youngblood continued: “‘The thing is, you got caught up in the middle of this
thing. Okay if you didn’t shoot the man yourself. I am going to tell you now I want
everything. Because if I run you back on this thing again and it still shows that you are
the person who shot him, I am going to walk out of here without giving you the results. I
will personally write my report today. And turn it in. Okay? Now, if you did shoot the
man, I want to know why and what really happened. So I am asking you now, I don’t
[care] how scared you are. Did you shoot him?’” (Lee, supra, 95 Cal.App.4th at pp. 784-
785, italics omitted.) Saxon responded that he did not do it. Youngblood then said:
“‘But you know who did. And you know what happened out there and you are afraid
because somebody is going to put a snitch jacket on you.’” (Id. at p. 785.) Saxon said,
“‘[Lee] shot him.’” (Ibid., italics omitted.)
The Lee court acknowledged, “California courts have long recognized it is
sometimes necessary to use deception to get at the truth.” (Lee, supra, 95 Cal.App.4th at
p. 785.) For example, where a police officer falsely told a suspect that his fingerprints
were found on the getaway car, the suspect’s subsequent confession was admissible.
(People v. Watkins (1970) 6 Cal.App.3d 119, 125.) Similarly, the false statement that the
defendant had been positively identified did not render the defendant’s confession
inadmissible. (People v. Pendarvis (1961) 189 Cal.App.2d 180, 186.)
In Lee, however, the court concluded: “Youngblood went beyond mere deceit as
to the evidence pointing to Saxon as the killer. He also went beyond merely exhorting
Saxon to tell the truth. He even went beyond threatening Saxon with prosecution for first
degree murder unless he named the real killer. [¶] Youngblood in essence told Saxon:
We will prosecute you for first degree murder unless you name [Lee] as the killer.” (Lee,
supra, 95 Cal.App.4th at p. 785.)
The court further noted that Saxon was not Mirandized until after he was told there
was a 97 percent probability that he was the killer. (Lee, supra, 95 Cal.App.4th at
p. 786.) Under the circumstances of the case, the court concluded: “[T]he interrogation

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of Saxon was not designed to produce the truth as Saxon knew it but to produce evidence
to support a version of events the police had already decided upon. In this respect, the
police crossed the line between legitimate interrogation and the use of threats to establish
a predetermined set of facts.” (Ibid.)
The present case is easily distinguishable from Lee. First and foremost, in Lee, the
witness Saxon recanted his statement and expressly testified that he only named Lee as
the killer because of pressure from Youngblood. Here, in contrast, Carranza and Lopez
did not recant their initial statements to the police and testified at trial that Sanchez shot
Schopp. Thus, unlike Lee, there is no evidence that Carranza and Lopez subjectively felt
pressure to identify Sanchez falsely as a participant in the shooting.
Further, in Lee, Youngblood threatened that he would prosecute Saxon unless he
named Lee as the killer. Here, the detectives did not present a similar either/or threat to
Carranza and Lopez. In other words, they were not told that either Sanchez was going to
be charged with murder or they were. Instead, the detectives suggested that all three were
involved in the shooting and urged them to tell the truth about what happened. They were
not led to believe they could avoid criminal prosecution altogether by naming Sanchez as
the shooter. Indeed, after Carranza and Lopez identified Sanchez as the one who fired the
gun, they were charged with the same crimes that Sanchez was charged with.
Nor did the questioning demonstrate a similar intent on the part of the detectives to
produce statements conforming to a version of events they had already decided on. In
Carranza’s interview, in particular, Hedrick did not even know who the passengers in the
Expedition were when he began the interview. He learned who they were and where to
find them from Carranza. At one point, Hedrick asked whether Sanchez shot “or was it
someone else in [the] car,” indicating that he had not already decided that Sanchez was
the shooter but was trying to elicit the facts from Carranza. While it is true that Hatfield
told Lopez his understanding of the crime (Carranza was the driver, Sanchez was the
shooter, and Lopez was the passenger), this was based on evidence, that is, Carranza’s

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statement to Hedrick. “It is well settled that law enforcement may confront a witness
with what they know.” (Quiroz, supra, 215 Cal.App.4th at p. 79.) We have reviewed the
interview transcripts and video, and they do not demonstrate the detectives questioned
Carranza and Lopez only “to establish a predetermined set of facts” as was the case in
Lee. (Lee, supra, 95 Cal.App.4th at p. 786.)11
In addition, Saxon was not Mirandized before he was told there was a 97 percent
probability that he was shooter. (Lee, supra, 95 Cal.App.4th at p. 786.) Here, Carranza
and Lopez were read their Miranda rights before they were told about the (nonexistent)
surveillance video from the market or were given the GSR test. We also reiterate that the
Lee court recognized police deception is sometimes necessary “to get at the truth.” (Lee,
supra, at p. 785.) In general, “[p]olice trickery that occurs in the process of a criminal
interrogation does not, by itself, render a confession involuntary and violate the state or
federal due process clause.” (People v. Chutan (1999) 72 Cal.App.4th 1276, 1280.)
Thus, the fact that Hedrick and Hatfield used deception and techniques that could be
described as “trickery” does not by itself render Carranza’s and Lopez’s interview
statements involuntary or coerced. In sum, the present case is not similar to the situation
in Lee, and Sanchez’s reliance on Lee to show that Carranza’s and Lopez’s testimony was
coerced is misplaced.

11To the extent Sanchez argues that Mariscal coerced Lopez and Carranza into
giving statements that matched a “predetermined set of facts” (Lee, supra, 95 Cal.App.4th
at p. 786), we reject the argument. Mariscal did tell them they were leaving out details—
such as where the gun came from—but he did not tell them how to answer his questions.
The transcripts show that Lopez told Mariscal where Sanchez picked up the gun, and
Carranza gave a similar description of the place where they got the gun. Lopez’s and
Carranza’s stories did differ in certain details. For example, Lopez said they went to
Chicken Legs’s place and Carranza said they did not. But this does not show Mariscal
tried to coerce them into making statements as to a predetermined set of facts. He simply
asked Carranza questions about details he had learned from Lopez. He did not attempt to
force Carranza to give a statement that conformed with Lopez’s.

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 Sanchez has failed to establish Carranza’s and Lopez’s trial testimony was
coerced. We have reviewed the trial transcripts and previous interviews in detail, and the
totality of the circumstances supports the conclusion that Carranza’s and Lopez’s
testimony was admissible. As a consequence, it was not ineffective assistance for the trial
counsel not to move to exclude their testimony. (People v. Berry, supra, 224 Cal.App.3d
at p. 170.)
II. Gang enhancement
For count 1, the trial court sentenced Sanchez to a term of 25 years to life for first
degree murder and a consecutive term of 10 years for the gang enhancement. Sanchez
contends, and the People concede, that this sentence must be corrected.
Section 186.22, subdivision (b)(1)(C), provides an additional punishment of 10
years for any person convicted of a violent felony, where that felony was committed for
the benefit of a criminal street gang. This provision “does not apply, however, where the
violent felony is ‘punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for life.’” (People v.
Lopez (2005) 34 Cal.4th 1002, 1004, citing § 186.22, subd. (b)(5).) “Instead,
section 186.22, subdivision (b)(5) … applies and imposes a minimum term of 15 years
before the defendant may be considered for parole.” (Lee, supra, at p. 1004.) Our
Supreme Court has specifically held that a defendant convicted of first degree murder
with a finding that the crime was committed for the benefit of a criminal street gang is
subject to a minimum parole eligibility term of 15 years under section 186.22,
subdivision (b)(5), and is not subject to an additional 10-year enhancement. (Lopez,
supra, at pp. 1005, 1011.) Accordingly, we agree with the parties that Sanchez’s sentence
must be modified to delete the 10-year gang enhancement and add the requirement that
Sanchez serve a minimum of 15 years before he may be paroled. (See id. at p. 1011.)
DISPOSITION
The judgment is modified to delete the 10-year gang enhancement for count 1 and
instead to reflect a minimum parole eligibility of 15 years pursuant to section 186.22,

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subdivision (b)(5). The trial court is directed to prepare an amended abstract of judgment
to reflect this modification and to forward a certified copy to the Department of
Corrections and Rehabilitation. As modified, the judgment is affirmed.

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Sarkisian, J.*

WE CONCUR:

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Kane, Acting P.J.

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Poochigian, J.

*Judge of the Superior Court of Fresno County, assigned by the Chief Justice
pursuant to article VI, section 6 of the California Constitution.

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