William Wagner v. United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Colorado

FILED
U.S. Bankruptcy Appellate Panel
of the Tenth Circuit

February 20, 2015
NOT FOR PUBLICATION Blaine F. Bates
Clerk
UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY APPELLATE PANEL
OF THE TENTH CIRCUIT

IN RE WILLIAM PHILIP WAGNER, BAP No. CO-13-043
Debtor.

MARTIN J. WAGNER, Bankr. No. 11-10853
Adv. No. 11-01233
Plaintiff – Appellee, Chapter 7
v. OPINION *
WILLIAM PHILIP WAGNER,
Defendant – Appellant.

Appeal from the United States Bankruptcy Court
for the District of Colorado

Before THURMAN, Chief Judge, CORNISH, and JACOBVITZ, Bankruptcy
Judges.

CORNISH, Bankruptcy Judge.
This appeal is a cautionary tale about what should be common practice but,
unfortunately, is not. Any financial agreement should be formalized by a written
document prepared by a lawyer, particularly when the agreement involves loaning
money to family or friends. In this case, failure to do just that led to a bitter
divide between a father and his son.
Debtor William Wagner, who is now known as William McDonough
(“McDonough”), appeals a bankruptcy court order that both determined his debt

*
This unpublished opinion may be cited for its persuasive value, but is not
precedential, except under the doctrines of law of the case, claim preclusion, and
issue preclusion. 10th Cir. BAP L.R. 8026-6.
to the plaintiff to be non-dischargeable and generally denied him a discharge in
bankruptcy. The adversary proceeding from which this appeal arose was initiated
by plaintiff Martin Wagner (“Wagner”), who is McDonough’s father. The present
intra-familial dispute dates back to 2004, when Wagner and McDonough agreed
that McDonough would obtain a loan using Wagner’s cabin in Minnesota as
collateral. McDonough obtained the loan, but defaulted on it in mid-2005, and
the parties’ relationship has deteriorated significantly since that time.
I. BACKGROUND 1
Wagner, who resides in Minnesota, is the father of six grown children.
McDonough is his eldest son. Wagner worked as a project manager/consultant for
Northern States Power until 1997. In 2004, he was essentially retired 2 and living
in a home owned by his girlfriend, Linda. Years earlier, Wagner had inherited a
cabin (the “Cabin”) adjacent to Woman Lake in Minnesota from his father. 3 The
Cabin had been regularly used by Wagner and his children for many years, and
was considered “the family’s” cabin. It was expected and intended that the Cabin
would ultimately be inherited by Wagner’s children. In 2004, the Cabin had an
estimated value of somewhere between $600,000 and $750,000. The only lien on
it at that time was in the amount of approximately $9,000. That lien arose from
Wagner’s agreement in 2002 to allow his daughter Christina to obtain an $11,000
loan, in order to pay off credit card debt, using the Cabin as collateral. Christina
had regularly made the payments on that loan. Wagner had also previously

1
This decision does not attempt to detail the many facts that are extraneous
to those relied upon by the finder of fact, although some of the omitted facts may
have factored into the bankruptcy court’s credibility determinations.
2
Wagner’s only income in 2004 was from Social Security and his
performances of interpretive characterizations of Mark Twain and Albert Einstein
at various locations and events.
3
Wagner’s father actually transferred the Cabin to both Wagner and his
sister shortly after their mother died in 1986, but the sister’s interest was
transferred to Wagner approximately 5 or 6 years later.

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obtained a loan on behalf of his sons Matt and Charlie for the purchase a condo in
Colorado, and had also loaned money to his daughter, Anna, for school. Those
loans, which were never secured by the Cabin, had also been repaid.
Several times in the years leading up to 2004, Wagner had asked his
children to jointly propose a way for the Cabin to subsidize Wagner’s living
expenses and eliminate his Cabin-related obligations (e.g., utilities, property tax,
and maintenance). Among several suggestions made by Wagner was that each
child contribute a set amount per year, based on factors such as their ability to
pay, their Cabin usage, and their desire to inherit the Cabin. Although Wagner
sought input from his children on this matter several times, and it was periodically
discussed by and between them. No “plan” was ever proposed.
In 2004, McDonough was married to Michelle Weiss, now known as
Michelle Kuznia (“Kuznia”), and lived in Forest Lake, Minnesota, where he and
Kuznia owned a home (the “Forest Lake home”). McDonough worked as an IT
project architect and earned a salary “in six figures.” At that time, McDonough
and Kuznia owned a Featherlite trailer,4 a 2003 Ford F350 truck, and a 1999 VW
Jetta. The Forest Lake home carried a first mortgage of approximately $258,000,
and a second mortgage of approximately $67,000. The amount of the loan
underlying the second mortgage was more than $104,000, but it was only partially
secured by the Forest Lake home, with the remainder secured by McDonough’s
and Kuznia’s vehicles.
In March 2004, McDonough and Wagner discussed several life issues,
including that McDonough might leave the IT field and begin a horse training
business. They also discussed McDonough possibly selling his home and moving
to the Cabin, as well as the potential to use the Cabin as a kind of “retreat” that

4
The Featherlite trailer was a combination horse transportation device and
camper-type living quarters. At various times between 2004 and 2011,
McDonough lived either in that trailer or its replacement for extended periods.

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would be available to both family members and the public. In June 2004,
McDonough and Wagner specifically discussed using the Cabin as collateral for a
$150,000 loan (the “Cabin Loan”) to McDonough. The parties agreed on some
terms, and McDonough obtained the Cabin Loan, in the principal amount of
$194,000, shortly thereafter.
At this point, the parties’ testimonies diverge significantly. Nonetheless, at
least the following facts appear to be undisputed:
• Wagner and McDonough never put their “agreement” in writing;
• The Cabin Loan, which was payable over five years, closed on June
25, 2004;
• The sale of the Forest Lake home for $355,000 closed four days later,
on June 29, 2004. From both the sale of the home and the closing of
the Cabin Loan, McDonough and Kuznia received approximately
$107,000 in cash; 5
• McDonough and Kuznia moved to the Cabin after the Forest Lake
home sold, but Kuznia left both the Cabin and McDonough in March
or April 2005;
• McDonough continued to live in the Cabin after Kuznia left, and
made the Cabin Loan payments through June 2005;
• McDonough’s contract IT job terminated in May 2005;
• Wagner, who typically spent summers at the Cabin, went there in the
summer of 2005. When he arrived at the Cabin in June, Wagner
considered it to be generally in disrepair. During that summer he and
McDonough had several discussions regarding the condition of the
Cabin;
• In August 2005, Wagner learned that McDonough had defaulted on
the Cabin Loan. McDonough and Wagner met at the Cabin and
discussed the default. Their conversation turned into a heated
exchange that culminated in McDonough’s removal from the Cabin
property by Sheriff’s deputies, at Wagner’s request;
• McDonough and Kuznia were divorced in October 2005;
• McDonough lived in his Featherlite trailer from August 2005 until he
moved to Colorado in early 2006 to take on another IT job contract,
which was only a three-month job;

5
Approximately $18,500 was proceeds from the sale of the Forest Lake
home, and approximately $89,000 came from the Cabin Loan.

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 • In June 2006, Wagner filed a civil lawsuit against McDonough in
Minnesota state court asserting breach of the Cabin Loan by default; 6
• Shortly after moving to Colorado, McDonough met Maureen
McDonough (“Maureen”). McDonough, who had been living with his
brother, moved into Maureen’s house in late 2006;
• In August 2007, Wagner and McDonough executed a settlement
agreement to resolve the Minnesota lawsuit, under which McDonough
agreed to refinance the Cabin Loan;
• McDonough did not refinance the Cabin Loan and in April 2008,
pursuant to the terms of their settlement agreement, Wagner obtained
a $261,000 judgment by confession against McDonough in the
Minnesota lawsuit;
• Still in Colorado, McDonough obtained a job with a company called
CACI in March of 2009, earning gross wages of over $10,000 per
month. That contract job did not terminate until the end of March
2011;
• In February 2010, Maureen added McDonough to an account she
owned at Premier Federal Credit Union (the “Premier Account”). He
remained a co-owner of that account until he voluntarily relinquished
ownership approximately five months later;
• In May 2010, Wagner registered his Minnesota Judgment in Colorado
and, thereafter, attempted to garnish a bank account McDonough had
at Great Western Bank. On June 1, 2010, when the garnishment took
place, the balance in that account was approximately $6, since
McDonough had previously begun depositing all of his funds into the
Premier Account;
• On June 9, 2010, McDonough removed his name from the Premier
Account and was thus no longer a co-owner of it. However,
McDonough continued to have his wages deposited into the Premier
Account for several months after his name was removed;
• On January 18, 2011, McDonough filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy
petition and a Statement of Financial Affairs (“SOFA”) without
revealing the Premier Account in either.

6
Since Wagner’s state court lawsuit was based on breach of contract,
McDonough contends that the bankruptcy court fraud claim was a fiction.
However, McDonough cites no authority for the proposition that a creditor who
obtains a breach of contract judgment in state court is thereafter precluded from
asserting in bankruptcy that its judgment against the debtor is non-dischargeable
under bankruptcy law. In fact, other bankruptcy courts have allowed creditors to
assert that their state court breach of contract judgments are non-dischargeable in
bankruptcy. See, e.g., Palm Fin. Corp. v. Eberts (In re Eberts), No.
2:11-cv-08827-MWF, 2013 WL 1248637, at *10-11 (C.D. Cal. March 27, 2013),
appeal docketed, No. 13-55691 (9th Cir. April 25, 2013) ; Fire Safe Prot. Servs.,
LP v. Ayesh (In re Ayesh), 465 B.R. 443, 446 (Bankr. S.D. Tex. 2011).

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 A. Wagner’s Version of Events
According to Wagner, McDonough told him in March 2004 that he and
Kuznia wanted to move from their Forest Lake Home to the Cabin, telling him
he’d rather pay what he paid on his mortgage to Wagner. Wagner’s understanding
was that his son wanted to use the Cabin as a rental property while he also built up
a horse training business. In June 2004, McDonough asked Wagner if he could
use the Cabin as security in order to obtain a $150,000 loan that he needed to
consolidate debts. McDonough told Wagner he intended to sell his Forest Lake
Home and he would use the equity he received from that sale to pay down the
Cabin Loan by $100,000. McDonough also told Wagner his six-figure income
would allow him to easily pay off the Cabin Loan within two years. Wagner
agreed, partly because he had loaned money to his children, including
McDonough, on various occasions in the past and had also previously allowed one
of his children to use the Cabin as security for a small personal loan. All of the
loans to Wagner’s children had been, or were being, repaid satisfactorily. 7
As part of his agreement to allow McDonough to use the Cabin as
collateral, Wagner required that the new loan be used to pay off the balance of his
daughter’s secured loan, in the amount of approximately $9,000, which was the
only lien on the Cabin at that time. A few days after Wagner had agreed to
McDonough’s proposed use of the Cabin, he received loan paperwork in the mail,
which he was instructed to sign before a notary and return to the lender by
overnight mail. Wagner did not read the documents, simply signed and returned
them. The loan documents reflected a loan in the amount of $194,000, rather than
the $150,000 amount Wagner and McDonough previously discussed. However,

7
Wagner had previously loaned money to McDonough that had not been
repaid, but there was no evidence that it was an issue between them. None of the
agreements Wagner made with any of his children had ever been reduced to
writing.

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Wagner would have agreed to the revised loan amount based on McDonough’s
promise to pay the Cabin Loan down by $100,000 with equity from his Forest
Lake Home. When he signed the loan documents, Wagner was unaware either that
a sale of McDonough’s Forest Lake Home was already pending, or that it would
close only four days after the Cabin Loan did.
During the summer of 2004, McDonough and Kuznia moved from Forest
Lake to the Cabin. Also during that summer, they gave Wagner two checks
without explanation. First, he received a check in the amount of $25,000, which
had been drafted by Kuznia. Shortly thereafter, Wagner received another check,
this one in the amount of $20,000, drafted by McDonough. Wagner assumed the
$20,000 payment was for repayment of approximately $20,000 he had loaned to
McDonough in 2002-03, during a period when McDonough was unemployed, in
order to keep the Forest Lake Home out of foreclosure. Wagner considered the
$25,000 to be advance rent on the Cabin. There was nothing connected with the
checks that specified their purpose, and Wagner did not discuss them with
McDonough or Kuznia.
In June 2005, Wagner arrived at the Cabin, intending to stay there for the
summer, as was his habit. He was unhappy with the condition in which he found
the Cabin, and McDonough was not living there at the time. He discussed his
concerns with McDonough, who ultimately told him in August that he had
defaulted on the Cabin Loan. McDonough and Wagner met in person after this
news, and their discussion turned into an angry exchange. Wagner testified that
McDonough came to the Cabin, sat down on a bench next to him and asked him,
“If I continue making payments on the loan, what do I get?” Wagner told
McDonough to “get the mortgage off the Cabin” first, and then they could talk
about it. To this McDonough responded, “I got you over a barrel. You don’t got
any negotiating power.” Wagner understood that McDonough “knew what my
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and believed that McDonough “expected me to turn the property over to him.”
McDonough never even suggested to Wagner that he was unable to make the
Cabin Loan payments, and Wagner had told him numerous times in the past that
all he ever needed to do was ask if he needed help. Wagner was upset and asked
McDonough to leave, but McDonough insisted that a lawyer had told him that he
was a co-owner of the Cabin and refused to leave the property. At that point,
Wagner called the Sheriff’s Office. When the Sheriff’s officers arrived,
McDonough was escorted off of the property.
Subsequently, Wagner was able to refinance the Cabin Loan, first through
McDonough’s lender and, ultimately, with U.S. Bank. In order to obtain the U.S.
Bank loan, Wagner had to add his daughter Anna to the Cabin title, something
he’d never done before. By doing so, however, he was able to obtain a 30-year
mortgage with an interest rate of 4.95%. In June 2006, following several failed
attempts to resolve Walker’s and McDonough’s differences, Walker filed suit
against McDonough and Kuznia in Minnesota state court, seeking $195,000 based
on their failure to pay the Cabin Loan.8 In 2007, McDonough agreed to settle the
lawsuit by refinancing the Cabin Loan. He also agreed to entry of a judgment by
confession against him in the event he failed to do so. McDonough did not
refinance the Cabin Loan as agreed, and Wagner obtained a judgment in the
amount of $261,000 against him in the Minnesota lawsuit. He registered that
judgment in Colorado, where McDonough was living, in 2006. In June 2010,
Wagner’s attorney both attempted to garnish a bank account in McDonough’s
name and issued interrogatories to him, seeking information regarding his assets.
Shortly thereafter, McDonough contacted the attorney and, in the course of
their conversation, told him that he’d only earned approximately $32,000 the

8
Wagner also sought $24,000 in unpaid monthly rent on the Cabin, as well
as $51,000 for prior loans, from McDonough only.

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previous year, had no assets, and was “barely scratching by.” 9 As a result of that
conversation, Wagner authorized his attorney to accept $200 monthly payments
from McDonough for six months for them to hold off collection. Although
McDonough’s payments were not always timely, all six were ultimately received.
Wagner later learned, from a conversation with his attorney, that McDonough was
actually grossing more than $10,000 per month in wages, had no secured debt, and
was living in Maureen’s home rent-free.
B. McDonough’s Version of Events
According to McDonough, it was Wagner’s idea to pledge the Cabin as
security for a loan because “he needed the money.” McDonough “didn’t need the
loan at the time,” as he was “well employed” and “did not have any financial
issues at that point.” Moreover, he and Kuznia “did not need to sell our Forest
Lake Home.” Regarding Wagner, McDonough testified that, “since 1998 he has
stated that he is penniless and unemployed and on social security.” Based on a
letter received from Wagner around Thanksgiving in 2003, McDonough “offered
to purchase the Cabin over time and take out a loan in which I could give him the
substantial down payment” of $40,000 Wagner requested. 10 McDonough was
considering getting out of the IT contracting business because of the instability of
his employment, and he and Wagner discussed McDonough’s interest in training
horses, for which he would need a horse trailer. However, although they “talked
about me purchasing this horse trailer,” McDonough could have qualified to make
that purchase on his own and “did not need it wrapped into” the Cabin Loan.

9
The bankruptcy court seemed particularly unhappy with the fact that
McDonough, when confronted about the falsity of those statements, “made the
point that the [sic] he was not under oath” at the time, noting, “as if that is a
distinction that should count in his favor.” See Order on Plaintiff’s Second
Amended Complaint (“BR Opinion”) at 5, in App. at 848.
10
Transcript of Trial held on June 26, 2012 at 68, in App. at 458. On cross-
examination, however, McDonough vehemently denied having ever said that the
Cabin Loan was for the purchase of the Cabin. Id. at 121, in App. at 511-13.

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Since Wagner “wanted his money,” his only requirements for the loan were that he
receive the $40,000 “down payment” and that McDonough repay “the $5,000
amount that he gave me in 2002, 2003.”
Wagner knew that McDonough intended to sell his Forest Lake Home, but
McDonough never promised him he would pay down the Cabin Loan by $100,000
with equity from that sale, nor did Wagner ever demand that McDonough do so.
McDonough made the Cabin Loan payments through June 2005, after which he
was unable to do so because he lost his job with Talent Software Services in May,
and Kuznia had “drained” their bank account when she left him. 11 McDonough
began receiving unemployment benefits immediately after his termination,
because it was a “planned layoff.” He remained unemployed for about ten
months, at which time, he obtained a three-month IT job in Colorado. During his
unemployment, McDonough received benefit payments, in the amount of $986
each, biweekly.12 McDonough testified he had only agreed to refinance the Cabin
Loan in August 2007 because he didn’t have the resources to contest Wagner’s
lawsuit. He also testified that he knew when he agreed to refinance that he did not
have the resources to do so. However, Wagner was still threatening him with a
“bogus” criminal prosecution over a van he had asked McDonough to sell, then
later reported McDonough had stolen. The prosecution severely hampered
McDonough’s ability to work in his field, as it requires full security clearance.
Pursuant to the terms of the proposed settlement, which McDonough claims was
“coerced,” Wagner agreed to dismiss the criminal matter.

11
McDonough claimed Kuznia took approximately $8,000 from their joint
account, while she testified she took approximately $800. Kuznia, who testified
at the trial by telephone, also stated that McDonough had told her on one occasion
that he didn’t intend to pay the Cabin Loan. The probative value of her
statements is tainted by the facts that she and McDonough are divorced and she
was a co-obligor on the Cabin Loan.
12
$986 x 26 ÷ 12 = $2,136 per month. The Cabin Loan payments were
$1,163 per month.

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 When McDonough did not refinance the Cabin Loan, Wagner registered a
Minnesota Judgment in Colorado and began collection efforts. In early June 2009,
after learning that Wagner had garnished his Great Western Bank account,
McDonough removed his name from Maureen’s Premier Federal Credit Union
account because he “didn’t want Maureen’s funds to be garnished in my judgment
dispute.” Although McDonough never had an ownership interest in the Premier
Account after that time, he continued to have his wages deposited into the account
until shortly before he filed his bankruptcy petition in January 2011. However,
“his” funds in the Premier Account were transferred back to him prior to the filing
date so, on that date, all of the funds in that account “were completely
Maureen’s.”
In July 2010, McDonough spoke with Wagner’s attorney and agreed to pay
Wagner $200 per month for six months, which he did. However, in November
2010, the IRS began attempting to garnish money from McDonough’s then
employer, CACI, based on over $500,000 in 2000 and 2001 tax liability
McDonough had incurred in connection with some previously-owned businesses.
McDonough believed that his IRS debt had been “written off” in 2009.
In November 2010, McDonough purchased a 1998 Ford Ranger. On
December 20, he traded in his 2003 Ford F350 truck, which he owned free and
clear, for $12,000, which he put towards the purchase of a 2008 Ford F350 for
approximately $45,000. On December 24, he traded in the 2000 Featherlite trailer
for $19,000 towards the purchase of a new 2010 Homestead live-in trailer at 22%
interest. McDonough testified that he had to make these purchases because he and
Maureen were separating and he would need a place to live when he moved out of
Maureen’s home. At the time the purchases were made, McDonough knew that
his contract with CACI would be ending in March 2011, but he had no choice, and
he reaffirmed both debts in bankruptcy.

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 II. APPELLATE JURISDICTION
This Court has jurisdiction to hear timely filed appeals from “final
judgments, orders, and decrees” of bankruptcy courts within the Tenth Circuit,
unless one of the partie s elects to have the district court hear the appeal. 13 An
order denying a debtor’s discharge in bankruptcy is a final order for purposes of
appeal.14 As McDonough timely filed a notice of appeal from that judgment, 15 and
neither party elected to have the appeal heard by the district court, this Court has
valid appellate jurisdiction.

13
28 U.S.C. § 158(a)(1), (b)(1), and (c)(1); Fed. R. Bankr. P. 8002 (now also
at Fed. R. Bankr. P. 8005, effective Dec. 1, 2014); 10th Cir. BAP L.R. 8001-3
(now codified at 10th Cir. BAP L.R. 8005-1, effective December 1, 2014).
14
United States Trustee v. Garland (In re Garland), 417 B.R. 805, 810 (10th
Cir. BAP 2009) (citing Law Office of Larry A. Henning v. Mellor (In re Mellor),
226 B.R. 451, 453 (D. Colo. 1998)).
15
McDonough timely filed a motion to extend the time to appeal on May 13,
2013, within 14 days of the bankruptcy court’s initial judgment of April 30. Fed.
R. Bankr. P. 8002(c)(2) (now codified at Fed. R. Bankr. P. 8002(d)(1)(B),
effective Dec. 1, 2014). The requested extension was granted by the bankruptcy
court on May 14, and the appeal deadline was extended to June 3. The extension
date was within the limits allowed by former Federal Rule of Bankruptcy
Procedure (“FRBP”) 8002(c), as it required the notice of appeal to be filed within
21 days of the original appeal deadline of May 14. However, on May 17,
McDonough filed a “Motion to Alter or Amend Judgement [sic],” purportedly
pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure (“FRCP”) 59(e) (made applicable to
certain bankruptcy cases by FRBP 9023), which ordinarily would have extended
the time to appeal automatically. Fed. R. Bankr. P. 8002(b)(2) (now codified at
Fed. R. Bankr. P. 8002(b)(1)(B), effective Dec. 1, 2014). The bankruptcy court
denied the motion under FRBP 9023, as it had been untimely filed (i.e., more than
14 days after judgment entered). Such motions must be timely to extend the
appeal deadline under FRBP 8002(b). In addition, the bankruptcy court deemed
the motion to be in the nature of a motion for relief pursuant to FRCP 60(b)
(made applicable to certain bankruptcy cases by FRBP 9024), which it determined
to be without merit. Nonetheless, the bankruptcy court did amend the judgment
pursuant to FRCP 60(a), concluding that the language of its prior order “could be
misconstrued.” Order on Motion to Alter or Amend Judgment at 1, in App. at
885. An amended judgment, making clear that the bankruptcy judgment amount
was “not in addition to” Wagner’s state court judgment, but represented only the
portion of that judgment that was non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, was entered
on May 23, 2013. Amended Judgment at 1, in App. at 888. On June 3,
McDonough filed a timely notice of appeal from both the initial and the amended
judgment, pursuant to the previously granted extension of time to appeal as well
as FRBP 8002(a), as the notice was filed within 14 days of the amended
judgment.

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 III. WAGNER’S MOTION TO STRIKE
In this appeal, Wagner has filed a motion to strike certain portions of
McDonough’s Appendix, specifically, transcripts of: 1) the § 341 meeting in this
case; 2) the Rule 2004 examination of McDonough on March 15, 2011; and the
deposition of McDonough taken in December 2011, along with any documents or
exhibits that were admitted in those proceedings.16 Wagner listed all three of the
transcripts he now wants stricken as exhibits for trial, and provided them to the
bankruptcy court, but they were neither offered nor admitted as trial exhibits. 17
On the other hand, Wagner’s counsel did use at least one of the transcripts in trial
cross-examination of McDonough. 18
McDonough contends that Wagner’s provision of the disputed transcripts as
part of his trial exhibits made them part of the record, and also that Wagner cannot
use Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 8006 (“Rule 8006”) to exclude
designated documents from the record. Relying on the following excerpt from In
re Berge, which is not an appellate decision, McDonough asserts that Rule 8006
only provides a mechanism to add to the appellate record:
Under the well-accepted rule of statutory construction stated as
expressio unius est exclusio alterius, the express inclusion of one
item of a class excludes others of the same class. The only kind of
modification permitted under [Rule] 8006 would thus be addition to,
and not exclusion from, the record. . . .The record in an adversary
proceeding in bankruptcy presumes and in large measure relies upon,
the file in the underlying case. The record on appeal, for
completeness and fair presentation of the issues to the appellate body,

16
Wagner also requested that paragraph 18 on page 8, and the second full
paragraph on page 33, of McDonough’s opening brief also be stricken.
McDonough apparently agreed to these redactions prior to the filing of the
motion, and those portions of the opening brief were stricken by this Court’s
order on June 25, 2014, which also referred the motion to strike portions of the
Appendix to this panel for determination.
17
Exhibits for Trial at 6-7, in App. at 557-58.
18
See, e.g., Transcript of Trial held on June 25, 2012 at 15, in App. at 154
(counsel references the March 2012 Rule 2004 deposition transcript during
McDonough’s trial testimony).

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 should therefore include those items from the record of the whole
case which the parties agree upon. 19
It appears from the appellate record that the bankruptcy court probably did not
consider the subject transcripts in connection with its decision. The transcripts
were neither proffered nor admitted, and McDonough testified at length at trial,
thereby minimizing the court’s need to consider additional transcripts of his
testimony. In addition, McDonough did not specify any particular reliance on the
transcripts by the bankruptcy court and, indeed, does not appear to even rely on
them himself. Without such reliance, the transcripts’ inclusion in the appellate
record is essentially irrelevant. Under these circumstances, the rationale behind
Wagner’s determination to exclude them from the appellate record is unclear.
In any event, the additional transcripts are not necessary to this Court’s
consideration of the sufficiency of the evidence presented at trial, and an appellate
court does not consider evidence that is not relevant to the issues before it.
Therefore, Wagner’s motion to strike is denied as unnecessary.

19
Berge v. Sweet (In re Berge), 37 B.R. 705, 708 (Bankr. W.D. Wis. 1983).
This seems to be the consensus among the relatively few cases that have directly
considered the issue. See, e.g., Pinewood Enterprises, L.C. v. Williams (In re
Living Hope Sw. Med. Servs., LLC), No. 4:13-CV-04028, 2013 WL 6508241, at
*2-3 (W.D. Ark. Dec. 12, 2013); In re Vill. Green I GP, No. 12-2163-STA, 2012
WL 6045880, at *2 (W.D. Tenn. Dec. 5, 2012); In re Schmitz, 436 B.R. 110, 111-
12 (Bankr. W.D. Wis. 2010); Wellinger v. Borton (In re Wellinger), No.
07-CV-10630-DT, 2007 WL 788920, at *1-2 (E.D. Mich. Mar. 14, 2007); In re
Dow Corning Corp., 263 B.R. 544, 549 (Bankr. E.D. Mich. 2001). However,
some courts hold that the bankruptcy court has the power to control the contents
of the appellate record, even after it has been submitted to the appellate court.
See discussion in Amedisys, Inc. v. JP Morgan Chase Manhattan Bank (In re
Nat’l Century Fin. Enters., Inc.), 334 B.R. 907, 912-16 (Bankr. S.D. Ohio 2005)
(relying on Fed. R. App. P. 10(e)).

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 IV. ISSUE AND STANDARD OF REVIEW
Are the bankruptcy court’s fact findings in support of its
decision to deny McDonough’s discharge clearly erroneous?
“A decision whether to grant or deny a discharge [pursuant to 11 U.S.C.
§ 727(a)]20 is in the sound discretion of the bankruptcy court, and a bankruptcy
court’s denial of discharge is therefore reviewed for abuse of discretion.” 21 On the
other hand, an appellate court reviews a non-dischargeability ruling under
§ 523(a) de novo.22 But an appellant’s claim that the evidence is insufficient to
support the bankruptcy court’s legal conclusion is an issue of fact that we review
for clear error.23 An appellate court must consider evidence presented to the trial
court in a light most favorable to the prevailing party, especially where the fact
finder was, as here, the court rather than a jury.24 “A finding of fact is clearly
erroneous [only] if it is [either] without factual support in the record, or the
appellate court, after reviewing all the evidence, is left with a definite and firm
conviction that a mistake has been made.”25 Finally, the trial court’s decision
need only be “permissible,” not “correct”26 and, if plausible in light of the record,
it is not clearly erroneous even when the reviewing court would have made a

20
Unless otherwise specified, all further statutory references in this opinion
will be to the Bankruptcy Code, which is Title 11 of the United States Code.
21
Garland, 417 B.R. at 810 (internal citation and quotation marks omitted).
22
Cousatte v. Lucas (In re Lucas), 300 B.R. 526, 530 (10th Cir. BAP 2003)
(citing United States v. Victor, 121 F.3d 1383, 1386 (10th Cir. 1997)).
23
Garland, 417 B.R. at 810. (citing Farmers Co-op. Ass’n v. Strunk, 671 F.2d
391, 395 (10th Cir.1982)).
24
Cowles v. Dow Keith Oil & Gas, Inc., 752 F.2d 508, 510-11 (10th Cir.
1985) (such findings are “presumptively correct”).
25
Id. at 511. (internal citations and quotation marks omitted).
26
Bill’s Coal Co. v. Bd. of Pub. Utils. of Springfield, 887 F.2d 242, 244 (10th
Cir. 1989) (quoting Volis v. Puritan Life Ins. Co., 548 F.2d 895, 901 (10th Cir.
1977).

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different decision.27 Thus, “[w]here there are two permissible views of the
evidence, the factfinder’s choice between them cannot be clearly erroneous.” 28
V. DISCUSSION
McDonough appeals the bankruptcy court’s judgment that concluded
Wagner had proven two claims against McDonough based in fraud. First, the
court determined McDonough’s debt to Wagner was non-dischargeable under
§ 523(a)(2)(A) and, second, McDonough’s bankruptcy discharge was denied under
§ 727(a)(4).
Section 523(a)(2) provides, in part, that a particular debt owed by a debtor
is not discharged in bankruptcy when that debt is “for money, property, services,
or an extension, renewal, or refinancing of credit, to the extent obtained by--
(A) false pretenses, a false representation, or actual fraud . . . .”29 Similarly, § 727
provides, generally, that all Chapter 7 debtors shall be granted a discharge unless
one of several specific exceptions is applicable. Subsection (a)(4)(A) of that
provision, frequently called the “false oath” exception, provides that a Chapter 7
debtor’s discharge may be entirely denied if “the debtor knowingly and
fraudulently, in or in connection with the case--made a false oath or account.” 30
Thus, under § 727(a)(4)(A), all of a debtor’s debts remain undischarged, whereas
§ 523(a)(2)(A) precludes discharge only of particular debts that are proven to have
been fraudulently obtained. Together, these provisions preclude discharges, either
entirely or as to specific debts, where debtors have defrauded or materially misled
either their creditors, the trustee in bankruptcy, or the bankruptcy court.

27
In re Iverson, 271 B.R. 213, No. 01-018, 2001 WL 863444, at *6 (10th Cir.
BAP July 31, 2001).
28
Anderson v. Bessemer City, 470 U.S. 564, 574 (1985) (citing United States
v. Yellow Cab Co., 338 U.S. 338, 342 (1949).
29
11 U.S.C § 523(a)(2)(A).
30
11 U.S.C. § 727(a)(4)(A).

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 A creditor asserting an exception to discharge under either of these Code
provisions bears the burden of proving the elements of the exception by a
preponderance of the evidence.31 Moreover, due to bankruptcy’s “fresh start”
objective, exceptions to discharge are narrowly construed, and doubt is resolved in
favor of the debtor. 32
A. Section 727(a)(4)(A) false oath
Section 727(a)(4)(A) is intended to enforce the debtor’s duty to fully
disclose assets and interests, and to ensure that reliable information is provided to
those with an interest in administration of the debtor’s estate.33 A successful
§ 727(a)(4)(A) claim must establish that: 1) the debtor made a false statement
under oath; 2) knowing it to be false; 3) with fraudulent intent; and 4) the
statement was material.34 A statement is considered to be “material” under
§ 727(a)(4)(A) if:
it bears a relationship to the bankrupt’s business transactions or
estate, or concerns the discovery of assets, business dealings, or the
existence and disposition of his property. Moreover, materiality is
not defeated by the fact that the undisclosed property interests are
determined to be without value. This is because bankruptcy is a
serious matter and when one chooses to avail himself of the benefits
of Chapter 7 relief he assumes certain responsibilities, the foremost
being to fully disclose his assets and to cooperate fully with the
trustee. As such, debtors have an uncompromising duty to disclose

31
Garland, 417 B.R. at 810 (citing Fed. R. Bankr. P. 4005) (§ 727); Grogan
v. Garner (In re Garner) 498 U.S. 279, 291 (1991) (§ 523).
32
Affordable Bail Bonds, Inc. v. Sandoval (In re Sandoval), 541 F.3d 997,
1001 (10th Cir. 2008) (quoting Bellco First Fed. Credit Union v. Kaspar (In re
Kaspar), 125 F.3d 1358, 1361 (10th Cir. 1997)).
33
Sierra Chems., LLC v. Mosley (In re Mosley), 501 B.R. 736, 742 (Bankr. D.
N.M. 2013) (quoting Manning v. Watkins (In re Watkins), 474 B.R. 625, 635
(Bankr. N.D. Ind. 2012)).
34
Id. (quoting Rajala v. Majors (In re Majors), 330 B.R. 880, Nos.
KS-04-093, KS-04-097, 2005 WL 2077497, at *3 (10th Cir. BAP Aug. 29, 2005)).
See also Gullickson v. Brown (In re Brown), 108 F.3d 1290, 1294 (10th Cir.
1997) (creditor making § 727(a)(4)(A) claim must demonstrate that “debtor
knowingly and fraudulently made an oath and that the oath relates to a material
fact”).

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 whatever ownership interest they hold in property, and they must
disclose everything, rather than make decisions about what they deem
important enough for parties in interest to know. 35
A fraudulent omission of assets from a debtor’s schedules is considered to be a
“statement” under § 727(a)(4)(A).36 In this case, Wagner claimed that
McDonough omitted his interest in Maureen’s Premier Account, and also
misrepresented his relationship with Maureen at the time of the petition in order to
claim a homestead exemption in his trailer. The latter of these claims, which was
based on the proximity in time of specific facts, including, McDonough’s move to
the trailer, the filing of his bankruptcy petition, resumption of his relationship and
living arrangements with Maureen, and application for a marriage license, was
rejected by the bankruptcy court, which concluded that “[t]he weight of the
evidence on this point favors [McDonough] and does not provide grounds for
denial of discharge under § 727(a)(4)(A).” Thus, Wagner failed to prove that
McDonough’s move out of Maureen’s home shortly before he filed bankruptcy
was not a legitimate separation. Since Wagner did not appeal that ruling, this
opinion does not address its merits.
With respect to the Premier Account, it was uncontested that McDonough
was a named co-owner of the account from February to June 2010, and that his
wages were regularly directly deposited into that account by his employer from
February 2010 to January 2011.37 Thus, McDonough admitted that his pay checks
continued to be directly deposited into the Premier Account until well after his
name was removed from it, and that the account continued to be used to pay his

35
Garland, 417 B.R. at 814-15 (internal citations and quotation marks
omitted).
36
Id. at 814 (a § 727(a)(4)(A) false oath may be an “omission in the debtor’s
schedules . . . .” (quoting 6-27 Collier on Bankruptcy ¶ 727.04[1][c] (15th ed. rev.
2009))).
37
The last of these direct deposits took place in early January 2011.
McDonough filed his petition on January 18, 2011.

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living expenses as well. Significantly, McDonough’s wages were deposited into
the Premier Account until the month in which he filed his petition. However,
McDonough claims that, prior to the filing of his petition, Maureen repaid him the
amount of his wages that were deposited into the Premier Account in January
2011.38 Based on this, McDonough asserts that none of his funds were in the
Premier Account when he filed his petition.
The bankruptcy court found, based on the evidence at trial, that McDonough
removed his name from the Premier Account in June 2010 in order to “frustrate
creditor collection activity.” Specifically, the bankruptcy court found that
McDonough sought to thwart Wagner’s “lawful collection efforts” of his
Minnesota Judgment in Colorado, both by removing his name from the Premier
Account and by misrepresenting his financial condition to Wagner’s attorney.
However, both of these events took place in June and July of 2010, and
§ 727(a)(4)(A) specifically applies only to activity that took place “in or in
connection with the [bankruptcy] case.” Therefore, in considering Wagner’s
§ 727(a)(4)(A) claim, the bankruptcy court only considered McDonough’s pre-
petition activities as evidence of his general intent regarding the parties’ dispute,
and based the § 727(a)(4)(A) denial of discharge on McDonough’s failure either to
declare on his Schedule B that the funds in the Premier Account were his joint
property with Maureen, or to declare the account itself under paragraph 11 of his
SOFA, as a pre-petition transfer of a financial account that occurred within one
year of the petition filing. 39

38
Despite the numerous Premier Account statements included in the appellate
record, it does not appear that statements for January through June of 2011 were
included. We therefore rely on McDonough’s testimony regarding this fact.
39
Schedule B requires a debtor to “list all personal property of the debtor of
whatever kind,” including property “being held for the debtor by someone
else. . . .” Voluntary Petition at 10, in App. at 41. Paragraph 2 of Schedule B
specifies “Checking, savings or other financial accounts . . . or shares in banks,
(continued...)

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 It is clear that McDonough had an ownership interest in the Premier
Account until at least June 2010, when he had his name removed from it. 40
Therefore, the Premier Account should have been listed on McDonough’s SOFA
as a financial account that was transferred within one year preceding his
bankruptcy petition. Although McDonough contends that his failure to list the
Premier Account was based on a simple misunderstanding of what he was required
to list, this issue was resolved against him by the bankruptcy court on the basis of
credibility. Such determinations are given great deference by appellate courts. 41
McDonough’s failure to disclose the Premier Account in his bankruptcy
filings is uncontested, as are the facts of his ownership and use of that account.

39
(...continued)
savings and loan . . . or credit unions . . . .” Id. Similarly, Paragraph 11 of the
SOFA instructs a debtor to “[l]ist all financial accounts and instruments held in
the name of the debtor or for the benefit of the debtor which were closed, sold, or
otherwise transferred within one year immediately preceding the commencement
of this case.” Id. at 34.
40
Premier is a federally regulated credit union, subject to regulation by the
National Credit Union Administration, pursuant to the Federal Credit Union Act,
12 U.S.C. §§ 1751-1795k (2006). Federal credit unions are allowed to issue joint
accounts, even where one of the owners is a nonmember. The appellate record
does not disclose whether McDonough was a member of Premier, but it is clear
that, as a joint owner, he effectively owned the account’s entire contents, and
could withdraw any or all of the funds therein. See NAFCU Compliance Blog,
“Joint Accounts - the Double Edged Sword,” (May 21, 2010)
http://nafcucomplianceblog.typepad.com/nafcu_weblog/2010/05/joint-accounts-th
e-double-edged-sword.html. Similarly, Colorado law allows credit unions to
carry joint membership accounts, the entirety of which may be paid to any one of
the joint account holders. Colo. Rev. Stat. § 11-30-103(4) (2002). A printed
copy of the cited webpage is provided as an attachment located at the end of this
decision. The Court accepts no responsibility for, and does not endorse, any
product, organization, or content at any hyperlinked site, or at any site to which
that site might be linked. The Court accepts no responsibility for the availability
or functionality of any hyperlink. Thus, the fact that a hyperlink ceases to work
or directs the user to some other site does not affect the Opinion of the Court.
41
Vaughn v. United States (In re Vaughn), 765 F.3d 1174, 1180 (10th Cir.
2014) (“Where . . . certain ‘findings are based on determinations regarding the
credibility of witnesses, Rule 52(a) [of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure]
demands even greater deference to the trial court’s finding[s].’” (quoting
Bessemer City, 470 U.S. at 565)). See also Fed. R. Civ. P. 52(a)(6), made
applicable to adversary proceedings by Fed. R. Bankr. P. 7052 (appellate court
must give due regard to trial court’s opportunity to judge witness credibility).

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Other facts that were resolved contrary to McDonough’s testimony were that he:
1) exercised ownership of the Premier Account; 2) had his name removed from the
account in order to protect its funds from Wagner’s collection efforts; and 3)
continued to keep his wages and other income in the account thereafter and to use
it to pay his living expenses. The bankruptcy court was very clear regarding the
findings it made that were contrary to McDonough’s testimony, stating:
The overriding impression the Court is left with after hearing the
Defendant’s testimony is that he is an individual who will say
virtually anything the situation seems to require. Rarely, it seemed,
was he capable of giving a straight answer to a simple question. . . .
The result of the Court’s observations of the Defendant on the
witness stand and the Court’s assessment of his credibility is that the
Court can have no confidence in any of the Defendant’s testimony.
The consequence of that assessment is that, whenever other evidence
contradicts the Defendant’s testimony and the Defendant’s credibility
on a particular point is put at issue, the Court has given credence to
the contradictory evidence 42 absent other factors causing the Court to
question it’s [sic] veracity.
Given these circumstances, this Court simply cannot conclude that the bankruptcy
court’s finding that McDonough “knowingly and fraudulently” omitted the
Premier Account from his bankruptcy filings, was clearly erroneous.
B. Section 523(a)(2)(A) fraud
As are all discharge exceptions, § 523(a)(2)(A) is narrowly construed and,
therefore, its application is limited to “frauds involving moral turpitude or
intentional wrong.”43 In order to except a debt from discharge under this
provision, a creditor must establish the following five elements:
(1) the debtor made a false representation;
(2) the debtor made the representation with the intent to deceive the
creditor;
(3) the creditor relied on the representation;

42
BR Opinion at 4-5 in App. at 847-48.
43
DSC Nat’l Props., LLC v. Johnson (In re Johnson), 477 B.R. 156, 169 (10th
Cir. BAP 2012) (quoting Driggs v. Black (In re Black), 787 F.2d 503, 505 (10th
Cir. 1986)).

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 (4) the creditor’s reliance was justifiable; and
(5) the debtor’s representation caused the creditor to sustain a loss. 44
Notably, unlike § 727(a)(4)(A), which requires only that the false statement be
“material,” § 523(a)(2)(A) requires a creditor asserting a claim under it to prove
that the debtor’s conduct caused it to suffer a loss. There was no real dispute in
this case that Wagner suffered a loss as a result of McDonough’s default on the
Cabin Loan. 45
The bankruptcy court found that McDonough’s statement to Wagner that he
would sell his residence and use $100,000 of the equity to pay down the Cabin
Loan was a false representation under § 523(a)(2)(A). The court also determined
that McDonough made that statement with intent to deceive Wagner, since
McDonough knew the house was already sold when he made the statement and
that the sale would not generate $100,000 in equity.46 The bankruptcy court also
found that Wagner had relied on McDonough’s statement, as he would not have
agreed to mortgage the Cabin for more than $94,000 without McDonough’s
promise to pay the loan down when his house sold. Finally, the court considered
Wagner’s reliance to be “justifiable” because, as an owner, McDonough could be

44
Id. at 169.
45
McDonough did claim at trial that his siblings had made all the post-default
mortgage payments. However, Wagner testified that he made all the payments,
but that Anna did provide him with some financial support. Either way, Wagner’s
property was indebted for the entire remaining balance of the Cabin Loan after
McDonough’s default, even though Wagner testified, and the bankruptcy court
found, that he would not have allowed the Cabin to be mortgaged for more than
$94,000 without McDonough’s assurance that the mortgage would be reduced by
$100,000 from the sale of McDonough’s Forest Lake Home. Thus, the non-
dischargeability award to Wagner was measured by the $100,000 excess lien,
rather than by the entire loan amount, as the court found that only the $100,000
pay down was a false representation under § 523(a)(2)(A), whereas Wagner’s
claim that McDonough defaulted on the Cabin Loan was a dischargeable breach
of contract claim.
46
Although McDonough and Kuznia did net approximately $107,000 from
both the Forest Lake Home sale and the Cabin Loan, the extent of the equity they
received on the home sale was only approximately $18,500.

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relied on to state the value of his home, and because the proposed loan would be
to a family member -- similar to other loans Wagner had made to his children in
the past. We review the bankruptcy court’s determination of justifiable reliance
for clear error. 47
The factual difficulties presented by this case are many, including that the
parties’ “agreement” was: 1) not witnessed by anyone but the parties to it; 2)
never really even discussed with anyone else; 3) not in writing; and 4) was
reached in a context that was, frankly, rife with potential for misinterpretation.
Besides all that, neither party’s account of the agreement is either entirely
consistent or logically sound. Yet this kind of “arrangement” was essentially
standard practice for the parties’ family. Given all of these factors, the conflict
could only be resolved on the basis of credibility of the parties to the agreement.
Parsing their testimony at trial reveals many inconsistencies on both sides. Based
on the transcript of the trial, it appears that neither party was particularly credible,
though also not particularly incredible. This is precisely why appellate courts
“must give due regard to the trial court’s opportunity to judge the witnesses’
credibility.” Quite simply, it is nearly impossible to make a better witness
credibility determination from a written transcript than from live testimony. In
this case, the bankruptcy court, as the trier of fact, resolved credibility issues in
favor of Wagner, rather than McDonough.
As the parties’ dispute is virtually entirely fact-based, this appeal presents
essentially no legal issues. Thus, McDonough can only argue that the evidence
presented to the bankruptcy court is insufficient to support its findings. If the
witnesses’ presentational credibility were not part of the equation, this dispute
could have been resolved in favor of either party. That alone makes the evidence
sufficient to uphold a trial court’s findings, since the fact finder’s choice between

47
Johnson v. Riebesell (In re Riebesell), 586 F.3d 782, 792 (10th Cir. 2009).

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two accounts, especially when made on the basis of the witnesses’ credibility,
cannot be reversed on appeal. 48
VI. CONCLUSION
For the reasons stated herein, the bankruptcy court’s fact findings are not
clearly erroneous. Therefore, the decisions 1) denying McDonough’s discharge
pursuant to § 727(a)(4)(A) was not an abuse of discretion, and 2) denying
discharge of his debt to Wagner pursuant to § 523(a)(2)(A), was appropriate. We
therefore affirm those rulings.

48
See Bessemer City, 470 U.S. at 574 (“[w]here there are two permissible
views of the evidence, the factfinder’s choice between them cannot be clearly
erroneous”) (citing Yellow Cab, 338 U.S. at 342)).

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We get a number of questions about joint accounts.  Usually, the caller wants to know if a
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type. What do you mean I can't remove him.  But I just added him so he could not engaged in the act of rendering
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professional advice. The information
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provided in this website is not
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FAQ
1. You suggest that removing a joint owner from a joint account is a matter FCRA
of what is written in the credit union’s deposit contract. In fact, it is most
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often a matter of state law. I know this is the case in California where code
sections specifically address multiple-party accounts. Further, while it is FFIEC

advisable to address this issue in a deposit contract, it is not a required FHA
provision and is often not addressed. In any event, if it is addressed, it must
Field of Membership
comply with state law.
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2. You also suggest that using a POA or authorized user will overcome the
Fixed Assets
problems inherent in the joint account scenario. However, the only problem
that is overcome is the the inability to remove the other joint account holder Flood Insurance

and even in that scenario it can be overcome by the joint owner draining the Fraud
account and opening a different account. The POA or authorized user is just
Free Kick
as capable of legally draining the account as is the joint account holder. In
addition, a POA is typically used to empower the holder to act on behalf of a Garnishment

principal who cannot himself act either because he is incapable of acting, is GPS
out of the country or some other reason. In fact, in over 33 years of practice
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as a lawyer at the NCUA and in representing credit unions, I have never seen
a POA used solely for this purpose when the principal is capable of acting HMDA/Regulation C

on his own. Further, in recommending the use of POA, the credit union then HOEPA
needs to deal with the issue of whether or not a given POA is valid under
HR
state law. In addition, members and customers will not be anxious to hire
lawyers to provide POAs or even to search for free ones on the internet. Incidental Powers

Finally, it simply is not a good idea for the credit union to subject itself to Indirect Lending
potential liability for recommending any course of action to protect the
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member that might not turn out to be successful, particularly if it provides a
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template POA to the member.
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I think the important point to be made is that in taking on a joint account IRS

owner, as well as in giving someone a POA or making them an authorized Lending

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user, a member had better make sure that he has chosen someone he can
Liquidity
trust because he has potentially given away the keys to the vault.
Loan Originator Compensation
Posted by: Todd Okun | May 25, 2010 at 11:15 AM
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Married Life

MBL
Anthony, Sounds like a good topic to plagiarize for our newsletter. :-)
MDIA
Posted by: Diane Hatcher | June 02, 2010 at 05:12 PM
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Merger
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