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What was James doing at that time 7 whenever you were around and everybody was around after 8 the trial? 9 A. He was waiting for the elevator. 10 Q. Okay. Was he saying anything? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Could you make out anything he was saying? 13 A. Some of the stuff I could make out, but I 14 couldn't make out everything that he was saying. 15 Q. Okay. And whatever he was saying, did he ever 16 make a move or appear that he was directing this at any 17 of the attorneys? 18 A. No. 19 Q. And did you perceive that he committed a crime 20 when he was there? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Had he committed a crime, would you have had 23 any hesitation to arrest him? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Do you arrest people when you witness a crime? CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR 16 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Did you ever hear any of the attorneys and 3 caseworkers sort of talking together and conferring with 4 each other about that Mr. Brown had threatened them? 5 A. After he left they were laughing about him 6 saying something to the fact of he knew where they 7 lived. 8 Q. They were laughing? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Did you have an occasion to witness any part of 11 the trial itself? 12 A. A little bit, but I don't really -- it was like 13 towards the end. 14 Q. Did you ever see the district attorney and the 15 attorney ad litem laughing in the courtroom? 16 A. No. 17 MS. HALL: Pass the witness. 18 CROSS-EXAMINATION 19 BY MR. WILLIAMS: 20 Q. Officer, let me ask, were you called as a 21 witness in this criminal trial? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. And you testified just as you have today? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Now, were you contacted by the defense CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR 17 1 attorney, Mr. Frank Ivy? 2 A.I believe so. 3 Q. And Mr. Brown has indicated that his attorney 4 railroaded him and implied to me, at least, that he was 5 in league with the prosecutor or didn't do a good job. 6 Is that your impression from what part you met of 7 Mr. Ivy -- what you observed of Mr. Ivy? 8 A. I was only in there a short period of time so I 9 couldn't really tell you. 10 Q. But did it look to you like he was in league 11 with the prosecution? 12 MS. HALL: Objection. I don't think the 13 witness is competent to answer that. 14 THE COURT: Sustained. 15 Q, (BY MR. WILLIAMS) He was alert, though, in 16 asking questions that appeared to favor Mr. Brown; is 17 that correct? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And you indicated that the attorneys were 20 laughing. Is that that nervous laughter that we often 21 times tend to do when we are scared but trying to put up 22 a great front? 23 A. No. They were just laughing. I didn't feel 24 they were scared at all. 25 Q. You didn't feel like they were scared at all. CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR 12 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. All right. So a prosecutor who believes that 3 their life has been threatened, it's not unreasonable 4 for them to file charges, is it? 5 A. No, it's not. 6 MR. WILLIAMS: I pass the witness. 7 MS. LEVAY: Pass the witness. 8 MS. OCHOA: No questions, Your Honor. 9 REDIRECT EXAMINATION 10 BY MS. HALL: 11 Q. Was it reasonable for Ms. Joseph or anybody to 12 think that they were being threatened? 13 A. While I was there I didn't feel like he was a 14 threat because I was there with the district attorneys. 15 So I didn't believe it was a threat. And I didn't make 16 out -- I couldn't make out what he was saying because he 17 was rallying off and he was angry. And through my 18 experience, through a termination, if you lose a child 19 they are usually a little mad. And I just let them get 20 off their steam. But I didn't hear any threats. If it 21 was, I didn't hear them. 22 Q. If you felt you would have saw a crime 23 committed, you wouldn't have hesitated to place them 24 under arrest, would you? 25 A. I wouldn't have hesitated at all. I would have CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR 13 1 handcuffed him and put him in jail. 2 ' Q. If you would have heard something about "I know 3 where you live," would that had impacted at all your 4 perception of the threat? 5 A. If I would have heard that, I would have 6 probably arrested him. But I did not hear that. 7 MR. WILLIAMS: No further questions. 8 MR. LEVAY: No questions. 9 MS. OCHOA: No questions. 10 THE COURT: You can step down. Thank you. 11 (Witness exits courtroom) 12 MS. HALL: I now call Officer Arnold. 13 (Witness sworn) 14 PORSHE ARNOLD, 15 having been first duly sworn, testified as follows: 16 DIRECT EXAMINATION 17 BY MS. HALL: 18 Q. Good morning, Officer Arnold. Would you please 19 state your name for the record? 20 A. Porshe Arnold. 21 Q. How do you spell your first name? 22 A. P-o-r-s-h-e. 23 Q. How are you employed? 24 A. I'm a deputy sheriff with the Travis County 25 Sheriff's Office. CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR 84 1 elevators, and the caseworkers were at the bench, and I 2 was at the far end of the bench close to the stairs. 3 Q. (BY MS. HALL) Would you say that you were 4 closer to James and his mother than the caseworkers were 5 or farther? 6 A. Farther. 7 Q. So they were closer than you? 8 A. Yes, ma'am. 9 Q. And did you perceive James to commit a crime 10 that day? 11 A. He was in violation in the sense that he was 12 threatening. 13 Q. He was threatening? 14 A. Yes, ma'am. 15 Q. Do you feel that he should have been arrested 16 right then and there? 17 A. Had he done an overt act, yes, I would have 18 arrested him then and there. We were trying to keep the 19 peace. 20 Q. Did he direct any threats to any of the 21 caseworkers? 22 A. I know that he said specific language to state, 23 "I know where you work." Things of that nature. 24 Q. Okay. And did -- was it directed -- did he 25 move bodily towards any of these caseworkers? CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR 1 A. He was swaying back and forth, walking back and 2 forth. I know that he was upset, because the elevators 3 took so long, and the longer he waited, the louder his 4 voice got. 5 Q. Okay. And did he physically approach any of 6 the caseworkers? 7 A. No, ma'am. 8 Q. Did you see the caseworkers after James left? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Did you see them talking and conferring among 11 one another or hear anything about what they said about 12 that he was threatening them and they should call it in? 13 A. I didn't see that part, ma'am, because I 14 followed him downstairs. He took the elevator and I 15 took the stairs to make sure he vacated the building. 16 Q. So did you see them laughing about what he had 17 done? 18 A. I know they were conversing, but I'm not sure 19 if they were laughing. 20 Q. Did they seem shaken up? 21 A. They were concerned. 22 MS. HALL: Pass the witness. 23 CROSS-EXAMINATION 24 BY MR. WILLIAMS: 25 Q. Sergeant Sloan, isn't it unfortunately true -- CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR 1 MR. LEVAY: Pass the witness. 2 CROSS-EXAMINATION 3 BY MS. OCHOA: 4 Q. Hi, Sergeant Sloan. I just have one question, 5 You testified that you walked down the stairs while he 6 was taking the elevator so you could make sure you 7 escorted him outside the building or vacated building? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Is that normal for you to do that? 10 A. Yes, it is. 11 Q. Okay. 12 MS. OCHOA: No further questions. 13 REDIRECT EXAMINATION 14 BY MS. HALL: 15 Q. I just want to clear up something. Okay. So 16 did you pretty much go on the stairs as soon as he and 17 his mom got in the elevator? 18 A. Yes. 19 v. Q. So you didn't see the caseworkers, or who you 20 are calling the caseworkers, talking afterwards? 21 A. No. Because I followed him. 22 Q. Okay. Thank you, Officer. 23 MR. WILLIAMS: No further questions. 24 MR. LEVAY: No further questions. 25 MS. OCHOA: No questions. CAROLYNN WEBER, CSR, RPR