Judgment reversed on the law and new trial granted, costs to appellants to abide the event, upon the ground that it was error to exclude the conversation preceding the making of the mortgage in support *851of the defense of usury. (Houghton v. Burden, 228 U. S. 161, 169; Mudgett v. Goler, 18 Hun, 302; Von Haus v. Soule, 146 App. Div. 731, 734; Orvis v. Curtiss, 157 N. Y. 657, 660; Austin v. Fuller, 12 Barb. 360, 363.) Lazansky, P. J., Young, Kapper, Scudder and Tompkins, JJ., concur.