The receiving of usury is a misdemeanor; (Slat, of 1837, p. 487, § 6;) and the witness Chapman was requested to give evidence which would either have charged, or tended to charge himself with that offence. In opening the defence, the counsel proposed to show, among "other things, that the witness “ discounted the said note, and in so doing deducted $10 from the face thereof, under a corrupt and usurious agreement between him and the said Pierce.” As the note had only 63 days to ran, the transaction was clearly usurious: and as the witness “discounted” the note, and “'deducted ” the ten dollars, I do not see why the case does not come within the very words of the statute, which makes it a misdemeanor “ to receive any greater interest, discount, or consideration” than the law allows. The witness has got the excessive interest or discount in his pocket. It is the same thing, in substance, as though he had first paid the whole face *158of the note, and Pierce had then handed back the ten dollars. But if there can be any doubt of the soundness of this position, it is enough that proof of the illegal agreement and discount might furnish a link in a chain of evidence to show the usury actually paid ; and so that the offence was fully consummated. A witness is not bound to give evidence tending to criminate himself, or which will form a link in a chain of proof leading to that result. The precise point was adjudged in Burns v. Kempshall, (24 Wend. 360,) and that decision was affirmed by the court of errors. (4 Hill, 468.) Cloyes v. Thayer, (3 Hill, 564,) is another ease to the same effect. Those cases are in one respect stronger than the one now before us; for they arose upon notes which had been discounted prior to the usury law of 1837, when the taking of usury only subjected the party to a penalty or forfeiture; whereas now the taking of usury is a ciiminal offence.
When the offer was to prove the defence under the general issue, Chapman was called as a mere witness, and not as plaintiff under the usury law of 1837; (§§2, 8;) and consequently the statute would afford him no protection. What he might say could, like any other confession, be given in evidence against him on an indictment for usury. It is clear therefore, that he could not be compelled to answer when called as a witness merely, and not as plaintiff.
The defendant then proposed to prove the usury under the notice annexed to the plea, and called upon Chapman to answer as the plaintiff in interest: and the statute has been so extended by construction that it now reaches the plaintiff in interest, as well as the plaintiff on record. (Henry v. Bank of Salina, 5 Hill, 523.) But Chapman objects, that before he can be compelled to answer and criminate himself, it must first appear that he is the plaintiff in interest; and I think the objection unanswerable. He is not the plaintiff in form, nor does it appear that he is so in fact; and in that state of the case, the statute neither authorizes his being called as a witness, compels him to answer, nor protects him against the consequences of criminating himself. There is no escape from this difficulty. When one *159is called who does not appear to be the plaintiff, either in form or°in fact, the statute has nothing to do with the case: he stands its a mere witness; and when he sustains that character alone, he cannot, as we have already seen, be compelled to answer. As a mere witness, and nothing more, Chapman was privileged from answering: and as there was no proof that he sustained any other character, there was no authority for requiring him to speak. There is, I think, no way to avoid the difficulty short of an amendment to the statute; and that we have not the power to make.
There is also another ground on which the witness was privileged from testifying. The defendant proposed to show, that Chapman was the teller of the bank, and that he discounted the iaote after it had been offered to the bank for discount and revised, he having full knowledge of that fact. That was an offence for which he would forfeit twice the amount of the loan. (1 R. S. 595, § 28.) And I need only refer to the case of Burns v. Kempshall, (24 Wend. 360, and 4 Hill, 468, in error,) for an illustration and confirmation of the well established principle, that a witness is not obliged to speak where the answer will isubject, or may tend to subject him to a penalty or forfeiture. The forfeiture in that case only extended to the usurious interest; while here it is twice the amount of the loan.
The usury law of 1837 would not protect the witness against the consequences of his testimony for two reasons: first, he would not, as we have already seen, answer as plaintiff; and second, the statute only provides that the testimony given by the plaintiff’ shall not be used against him “ before any grand jury, or on the trial of . any indictment.” (§ 8.) The forfeiture of twice'the amount of the loan is not enforced by indictment, but by action; and the testimony might, like any other admission, be used against the witness in an action to recover the money.
But it is said that the statute of limitations had run, (2 R. S. 481, § 3, and p. 297, § 29; 1 id. 383, § 91;) so that the forfeiture could not now be enforced; and when the witness is protected by the statute of limitations he must answer. (Close v. Olney, 1 Denio, 319.) But it should appear affirmatively that no pro*160ceedings had been commenced, so that the statute would afford a complete protection. (U. S. v. Smith, 4 Day, 121; Roberts v. Allatt, 1 Mood. & Mal. 192.) For aught that appears in this case, the testimony of the witness, if required to answer, might be effectually used against him.
And further: the statute of limitations was not even mentioned on the trial; and it is well settled that a party cannot take an objection, or start a question here, which, if it had been mentioned at the proper time, might have received a satisfactory answer. If this question had been made on the trial, it might have been shown in answer to it, that an action for the forfeiture had been commenced in due, time, and was still pending. And besides, the burden of proof did not lie on the witness. It was the business of the party who called him to show that the statute would afford him a complete protection.
New trial denied.