(dissenting). “An individual to whom a police officer addresses a question has a constitutional right not to respond. He may remain silent or walk or run away. His refusal to answer is not a crime. Though the police officer *59may endeavor to complete the interrogation, he may not pursue, absent probable cause to believe that the individual has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime, seize or search the individual or his possessions, even though he ran away. Nor when the individual, cornered by his pursuers in the basement of a building and while looking for a way out of the basement, drops or throws a package he was carrying into a pile of junk, has he been shown to have intentionally abandoned the package so as to make a warrantless search and seizure permissible. The order of the Appellate Division should, therefore, be reversed, the motion to suppress should be granted and the indictment should be dismissed” (People v Howard, 50 NY2d 583, 586). “Howard precludés the seizure of evidence acquired during the course of an unwarranted chase”. (People v Glover, 82 AD2d 43, 46.)
Three uniformed police officers in a marked police vehicle observed defendant Berry standing on 7th Avenue in a “high drug area”. The defendant was known to have been arrested several times for drug violations and, because of community pressure, officers had been instructed to keep that particular block clear of drug trafficking.
“There was nothing about his demeanor that would arouse suspicion, that he was or had been engaging in any criminal activity or conduct of a suspicious nature * * * Lieutenant Finkelstein called the defendant and asked him to approach the police car. The defendant walked toward the car, stopped at a distánce of 15 feet away and refused to come closer. Lieutenant Finkelstein assured Berry that he only wanted to talk with him, but the defendant still refused to comply.
“Finkelstein then emerged from the police car and the defendant, observing this, began to run * * * Both Officers Finkelstein and D’Ercole pursued the defendant * * * neither Officer drew his gun at any time.
“The defendant then ran into a schoolyard on 143rd Street. When Officer D’Ercole was within ten or fifteen feet of the defendant in the schoolyard but losing ground, both *60officers observed the defendant reach into his waistband and throw an object to the ground.”1
The object, a revolver, was retrieved, defendant’s motion to suppress was denied, and he entered a plea of guilty to the attempted possession of a weapon in the third degree.
The People on this appeal maintain that “[sjimply put, defendant’s precipitous act of running away gave the officers probable cause to arrest * * * they were obviously justified in running after him. And it follows a fortiori that they were entitled to retrieve the gun that defendant discarded during the chase — that act established probable cause beyond peradventure * * * [Tjhere were indicia of criminality — a known drug dealer in a drug-infested neighborhood — which, when coupled with defendant’s sudden flight, constituted probable cause.”
Probable cause exists where the facts and circumstances within the officer’s knowledge are sufficient in themselves to warrant a man of reasonable caution in the belief that an offense has been or is being committed (Brinegar v United States, 338 US 160, 175; Carroll v United States, 267 US 132, 162). Probable cause presupposes grounds to arrest, i.e., that defendant is committing or has committed a crime. There were no objective circumstances pointing to the commission of a crime by defendant. Prior to his flight, the People can point to only two criteria. First, that the encounter took place in a high crime or “high drug area”, and second, that defendant had been arrested “several times” prior and therefore was a suspected drug dealer. “The fact that appellant was in a neighborhood frequented by drug users, standing alone, is not a basis for concluding that appellant himself was engaged in criminal conduct. In short, the appellant’s activity was no different from the activity of other pedestrians in that neighborhood.” (Brown v Texas, 443 US 47, 52.) Nor can a prior arrest record itself lead to the conclusion that Berry was engaged in criminal activity. Nor can the combination of those two factors, the neighborhood and the defendant’s prior arrest record and reputation, result in a finding of probable cause, as there "are no articulable facts supporting the conclusion that a crime was committed. The People do not contend that the *61defendant’s flight in and of itself forms the basis of a finding of probable cause. But they do contend that the flight, in combination with the other two factors, makes out the requisite probable cause.
In People v Howard (supra) the police officers observed the defendant crossing the street in an area which had a high incidence of burglaries, carrying what appeared to be a woman’s vanity case. Defendant looked at the officers’ vehicle several times in a “furtive” manner and reversed directions. The officers drove parallel with him and one said, “Police Officer. I would like to speak to you.” Defendant ignored them and continued walking. The officer repeated the same words and began to get out of the car. Defendant, without saying anything, started to run. The police, and a civilian pursued. Howard proceeded over an iron fence, through an alleyway and into the basement of a building, at which point he threw the vanity case into a pile of junk in the corner and attempted to escape from the basement. He was caught and restrained and the vanity case was retrieved from the rubbish pile, beyond defendant’s reach. It contained a revolver and heroin in glassine envelopes.
The officers in Howard may have had greater reason for suspicion than those in this case, yet the Court of Appeals agreed with Criminal Term in its conclusion that defendant’s flight could not escalate suspicion to anything more. It stated (50 NY2d, at p 588): “While we hold that there was a sufficient basis to permit inquiry, we agree that defendant had the right not to answer, that his running did not, absent any indication that any crime had been or was about to be committed, permit detention; that there was no probable cause for defendant’s arrest; and that the vanity case had not been abandoned.” At page 590, the court further commented: “There was, therefore, basis for questioning defendant, but there was nothing that made permissible any greater level of intrusion. The officers had no information that a crime had occurred or was about to take place, had not seen defendant do anything criminal, and were confronted only by facts susceptible of innocent interpretation * * * Presence in an area of ‘frequent burglaries’ was an insufficient basis”. And, at page 592: “Defendant’s *62flight, had there also been indicia of criminal activity, would have been an important factor in determining probable cause * * * but where, as here, there is nothing to establish that a crime has been or is being committed, flight, like refusal to answer, is an insufficient basis for seizure or for the limited detention that is involved in pursuit”.
The People further maintain that the officers here needed only reasonable suspicion of criminal activity to stop and detain defendant temporarily, citing CPL 140.50 (subds 1, 3) and People v De Bour (40 NY2d 210, 223) so that they were justified in chasing defendant, at which time probable cause to seize him would have been established by the discarding of the gun. However, the same circumstances which failed to provide probable cause to arrest defendant, similarly fail to provide the reasonable suspicion necessary to temporarily detain him.
In Brown v Texas (443 US 47, supra) police officers observed appellant and another man walking away from one another in an alley, in an area which had a high incidence of drug traffic. They believed the two men had been together or were about to meet, until the patrol car appeared, and the situation “looked suspicious”. An officer got out of the car, stopped appellant and asked him to identify himself and explain what he was doing. Appellant refused and was arrested for violation of a Texas statute which makes it a criminal act for a person to refuse to give his name and address to an officer who has lawfully stopped him and requested the information. The Supreme Court held that the Fourth Amendment applies to all seizures of the person, including seizures that involve only a brief detention short of traditional arrest, citing Davis v Mississippi (394 US 721) and Terry v Ohio (392 US 1, 16-19). The court said (pp 51-52):
“We have recognized that in some circumstances an officer may detain a suspect briefly for questioning although he does not have ‘probable cause’ to believe that the suspect is involved in criminal activity, as is required for a traditional arrest. United States y. Brignoni-Ponce, supra [422 US 873], at 880-881. See Terry v. Ohio, supra, at 25-26. However, we have required the officers to have a reason*63able suspicion, based on objective facts, that the individual is involved in criminal activity. Delaware v. Prouse, supra [440 US 648], at 663; United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, supra, at 882-883; see also Lametta v. New Jersey, 306 U.S. 451 (1939).
“The flaw in the State’s case is that none of the circumstances preceding the officers’ detention of appellant justified a reasonable suspicion that he was involved in criminal conduct.” (Emphasis added.)
If no right existed in the officers to detain and therefore to pursue Berry, we must either suppress the weapon as the direct result of the illegal police action, or find that defendant’s discarding of the weapon was a voluntary abandonment on his part, or the result of some intervening factor so that “the connection between the lawless conduct of the police and the discovery of the challenged evidence has ‘become so attenuated as to dissipate the taint’” (Wong Sun v United States, 371 US 471, 487; Nardone v United States, 308 US 338, 341).
In denying the motion to suppress, the hearing court found that the actions of the police officers in pursuing defendant were illegal and that “[a]pplying the standards set in Boodle [People v Boodle, 47 NY2d 398], I find that as a result of thought and reflection, independent of the police illegality, the defendant ridded himself of the revolver he now seeks to suppress from evidence * * * Thus, the defendant, by his own conduct, severed the proximate connection between the initial police illegality and the discovery of the weapon.”
The majority affirms Criminal Term, relying on People v Boodle (supra). In that case, an informant told detectives that defendant might have information concerning a homicide. They saw him on Eighth Avenue. He “did nothing to arouse even the slightest suspicion” (supra, pp 400-401). The officers stopped beside him and asked him to step over to the car. The detective then said that he wanted to speak to the defendant about the homicide and asked him to get into the rear seat of the car. They then drove away slowly. The officer warned defendant “Just keep your hands where I can see them.” Shortly thereafter, the defendant threw a revolver out of the window and was observed by the offi*64cers, who retrieved it. Defendant was taken to the station house where 13 glassine envelopes containing heroin were found upon his person.
The court held that the defendant was seized within the meaning of the State and Federal Constitutions and that the seizure was clearly unlawful, since, prior to the seizure, the police had lacked evidence of probable cause linking him to criminal activity. It then held that “the defendant’s act of throwing the revolver was not in direct and immediate response to the illegal detention, and that the revolver, disclosed as a result of defendant’s independent act, was not tainted by the prior illegality.” (People v Boodle, supra, p 402.)
The Boodle court reiterated that if the evidence was revealed as a direct consequence of the unlawful police action, it is tainted and must be suppressed. However, the court drew a distinction between a defendant seeking to rid himself of evidence in a “spontaneous reaction” to the police illegality and “an independent act involving a calculated risk,” where the taint would be dissipated (People v Boodle, supra, pp 403, 404, citing Wong Sun v United States, supra). An examination of the examples given by the court to illustrate this dichotomy (People v Baldwin, 25 NY2d 66; People v Loria, 10 NY2d 368; and People v Cantor, 36 NY2d 106, for “spontaneity”; and People v Townes, 41 NY2d 97, for the independent, “calculated” act), illustrates, first, that the fact pattern now before us belongs with those acts which are the direct result of the police illegality. For example, in People v Townes (supra) the only example given by the court to support the “calculated” segment of its dichotomy, it was held “‘that Townes’ free and independent action in pulling and attempting to fire the gun, taken after and in spite of, or perhaps because of, the plainclothesman’s identification of himself as a police officer’, dissipated the taint of the lawless police conduct (People v Townes, supra, at p 102; see People v Martinez, 37 NY2d 662)” (People v Boodle, supra, at pp 403-404). Townes thus features an affirmative act, calculated to achieve a result other than the mere jetisoning of incriminating evidence as a reaction to hot pursuit or some other pressing illegal police action. Boodle *65further shows the difficulty of applying the “spontaneous-calculated” dichotomy espoused by the court, in all but the clearest circumstances, and encourages “hair splitting” and “razor-thin” categorization, which can only be detrimental to the consistency and predictability of the law in this area.2
Where a defendant, under the pressure of an illegal hot pursuit by the police, close upon his heels, jetisons contraband, can it be doubted that his act of throwing away the evidence was the result of the police illegality rather than a voluntary abandonment? Where the abandonment was coerced by unlawful police action, the property may be not used for evidentiary purposes. (See LaFave, Search and Seizure, § 2.6 [b], and cases cited therein.)
The motion to suppress evidence should be granted. The judgment of the Supreme Court, New York County (L. Becker, J.), convicting defendant, upon his plea of guilty, of attempted criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree, and sentencing him to an indeterminate term of from one and one-half to three years’ imprisonment, should be vacated, and the indictment should be dismissed.
Markewich and Lupiano, JJ., concur with Bloom, J.; Carro, J. P., and Asch, J., dissent in an opinion by Carro, J.P.
Judgment, Supreme Court, New York County, rendered on December 16, 1980, affirmed.
. Findings of fact, motion to suppress evidence.
. For critical comments on the Boodle decision see: Lewin, 1979 Survey of New York Law, 31 Syracuse L Rev, at pp 204-210. See, also, LaFave, Search and Seizure, § 2.6, p 64, 1982 Pocket Part.