This case was in this court once before on appeal, and will be found reported in 84 Mo. App. 451.
The plaintiff is a carpenter, and the defendant corporation is engaged in the business of killing and packing meats in Jackson county, this State. On about the third day of July, 1898, the defendant was- engaged *19in erecting an ice plant on its premises, and that while so engaged it became necessary to have scaffolding for the use of plaintiff and other workmen who were the employees of defendant in constructing said plant. This ice plant under construction consisted of two tanks, each about thirty-five feet wide, by seventy feet long and four feet deep. “The framework (called lattice-work by witnesses) was being put on one of these tanks, and not being strong enough to support the weight of a man, planks were laid across for the use of the workmen in getting about. The boards (of the scaffolding) were supported,at about every fifteen or twenty inches. Plaintiff was walking on one of these boards, in going after one of his tools, when it broke, letting his leg into the tank, injuring it. There was evidence tending to show that all the lumber furnished by the defendant was new, good and sufficient for the purpose intended. There was also evidence to show that the plank which broke with plaintiff was painted and had nail holes in it, indicating that it had been used before.
Much of this statement is taken from the opinion of Judge Ellison in the case as reported. The case was reversed for error of the trial court in giving a certain instruction for the plaintiff,, and remanded for a new trial. The plaintiff’s instructions, herein, seem to have been framed so as to comply with the opinion of the court rendered as aforesaid, therefore, the plaintiff contends that the case is res adjudicaba and should be affirmed. On the contrary, the defendant contends that under the evidence the status of the case has materially changed, and that it should be reversed, because the instructions do not meet the issue under the changed conditions, and because the court committed error in refusing to give to the jury certain instructions asked by the defendant.
The defendant’s claim is, that ón the second trial the plaintiff’s own testimony showed that he knew of *20the defects of the board that broke under him and caused his injury, as well as it was possible for the defendant’s foreman in charge to know. As the first bill of exceptions containing his evidence is not before us, we do not know what his evidence in detail was. But judging from a statement in the opinion referred to, that the “plaintiff testified that he did not notice the defects,’-’ we will presume that such was the purport of his testimony. It is therefore to be ascertained from an examination of the record before us, whether, at the time of the injury, the plaintiff was aware of the defects of said board, or that he possessed as much knowledge in that respect as it was possible for defendant’s foreman to have. We will give some of his testimony in answer to questions propounded to' him.
“Q. Now you say you have been a carpenter for some thirty years? A. Yes, sir. Q. Have you ever helped to build houses? A. Yes, sir, lots of them. Q. In the course of building houses, Mr. Hester, did you ever see any scaffolding?" A. Yes,- sir, lots of them. Q. So, as a matter of fact, you have been working around and on scaffolding for some thirty years? A. Yes, sir. Q. You have put up scaffolding yourself have you? A. Yes, sir. Q. Hundreds and perhaps thousands of times? A. I expect a hundred times. I have built lots of scaffolding in my life. Q. ' So that you know as much about the strength of' boards and scaffolding as any man could of your thirty years ’ experience ? A. Well, I think I know when a board will hold a man up. Q. And you see whether it is a new board or an old board? A. Yes, sir; I never use old boards in scaffolding. Q. Take a case of scaffolding built by somebody else, where you have to go, you always examine them? A. Most assuredly, anybody would. [After stating that his weight was about 230 pounds, the following questions were put to him]: Q. And so before you trust your weight upon a scaffolding it has been your practice for years and years to exam*21ine to see if it will hold you up? A. Yes, where a scaffold is built. Q. As a matter of fact, do you know of anybody that has more experience and more likely to know about the strength of boards than you have? A. No, I don’t know that I do. Q. And that is the result of your thirty years’ experience? A. Yes, sir. Q. And these boards you say that you had to walk on there were not only old boards, but they were painted boards? A. Yes, sir. Q. And had nail holes in them? A. Yes, sir; had been nailed up on a building somewhere, I couldn’t say where. Q. So of course you noticed that when you first went to work, did you not, when you first had gone to use them? A. Well, yes. Q. Anybody who walked on them as you did, couldn’t help but notice that they were old boards and that they were painted and had these nail holes in them? A. Yes. Q. But if these boards had been weakened, why, you knew from your thirty years ’ experience what the danger would be in walking over them didn’t you? A. Well, yes. Q. And from your experience you knew that as well as any one else,.didn’t you? A. Well, yes, as I said before, I think I know when a scaffold is safe. Q. Now when was it you made the first inspection, when you first went to work? A. Why, when the boards was put in. Q. And just from force of habit, as an old carpenter, when you were called on to work on this work, why, you would examine them and inspect them as you had occasion to use them? A. Why, most assuredly. Q. And based your judgment on that, as to whether they were sound and sufficient to hold your weight? A. Yes.”
This evidence, in short, is that he was a carpenter of thirty years’ experience, and skilled in his craft; that his experience in building scaffolding was great, and his knowledge as to their stability and safety equal to that of any one; that he never went upon one without inspecting it in order to ascertain its safety; that he knew the material of which the one in question was *22constructed, inspected it before he got on it, and inspected the boards from time to time as he used them. With all this knowledge he testified that he did not know that scaffolding was unsafe. It is shown by the evidence of J. W. Roberts, that the plank that broke under the weight of plaintiff was unsound; that it was a rotten board, and painted on one side. He says that he noticed the character of the boards at the beginning, when the scaffold was started, and that he notified the foreman of its insufficiency. Notwithstanding the plaintiff may have been the most skillful of his craft, and had exercised all his skill and caution (which it seems he did) to ascertain whether there were defects in the scaffolding and failed to detect any, yet if the defendant’s foreman had actual knowledge of its insecurity, would the defendant be liable? The witness, Roberts, says that he gave him notice of the insecurity of the scaffold, which, if true, imposed upon the defendant the duty to make it reasonably safe. The defendant insists that if the plaintiff’s knowledge and skill were of the- highest quality, which is not to be denied, and that he exercised the utmost caution and failed to discover any defects in the scaffolding, then the defendant is not liable, because the defendant’s foreman could have done no more. We have given much of the plaintiff’s evidence in detail, to show the difference, if any, there is in the case as now before us, from what it was when it was here as reported.
The defendant, with the view of meeting the supposed change in the facts of the case, asked the court to instruct the jury as follows:
“If the jury believe from the evidence, that the plaintiff, Hester, was a carpenter of thirty years’ experience, and thoroughly familiar with scaffolding and boards used for scaffolding, including the one by which he claims he was injured, and that Hester knew as much about the strength of said boards, and the danger to be apprehended therefrom as thé defendant could or *23should have -known by the exercise of ordinary care,, then your verdict will be for the defendant, even though ■you should believe that Hester stepped upon a scaffolding plank and the plank broke under him. causing the injury sued for. ” ,
The defendant contends that said instruction is in harmony and supported by the rule of law announced by Judge Rombatjeb, and approved by the Supreme Court in Fugler v. Bothe, 117 Mo. 475. The rule of law thus stated was applied to a state of facts where' the employee was injured owing to the obvious danger of the employment itself. The general rule applicable to such cases, is stated as follows: “If a workman is employed on a dangerous job, or to work in a service of peril, and if the danger belongs to the work itself, or the service in which he is engaged, he will be held to all the risks which belong to either.” In Price v. Railroad, 77 Mo. 508, a case where a servant of the company accepted employment knowing as well as his. employer the perils attending such employment, it was held that he assumed the risk incident to the danger of the service. See also. Thomas v. Railroad, 109 Mo. 187. In all this class of eases the facts show that the employees knew of the peril — the danger being obvious to a person of ordinary caution and prudence.
But there is another general rule recognized by the courts of this State as applicable to another and different state of facts, viz.: Where there is no danger in the work, or the service itself, and the peril grows out of extrinsic causes, which can not be discovered' by ordinary caution or prudence, the employer is liable-precisely as a third person, if the loss or injury is caused by his neglect or want of care.” Beard v. Am. Car. Co., 63, Mo. App. 382; Hamilton v. Mining Co., 108 Mo. 364; Stephens v. Railroad, 96 Mo. 207. And it is also held that the “mere knowledge by the servant that an appliance is defective, that risk is incurred in its use, will not, as a matter of law, defeat the servant’s *24action for an injury received in using it when the danger is not such as to threaten immediate injury, or when it is reasonable to suppose that the appliance may be safely used by the exercise of care and caution. Hamilton v. Mining Co., supra; and the following cases were cited in support of the opinion in that case. Stoddard v. Railroad, 65 Mo. 514; Devlin v. Railroad, 87 Mo. 545.
And negligence on the part of the servant does not necessarily arise from a knowledge of the defects of the appliances he may be using, “but it is a question of fact to be determined from such knowledge and other circumstances in evidence.” Huhn v. Railroad, 92 Mo. 440; Devlin v. Railroad, supra; Thorpe v. Railroad, 89 Mo. 650; Dale v. Railroad, 63 Mo. 455; Soeder v. Railroad, 100 Mo. 673. Having the distinction thus made clear between cases where the peril to the employee is incident to the employment and obvious, and in cases where the danger from defective appliances, however, obvious, are yet of such a character that it may be reasonably supposed that they may be used in safety by the exercise of care and caution, we are prepared to pass upon the correctness of said instruction as applicable to the facts of this case.
In the first place, the plaintiff testified that he knew that some of the boards in the scaffold were old, boards and had nail holes in them; that old boards, such as they were, were not safe for scaffolding boards; and that one of these boards broke under his.weight causing him to fall, whereby he was1 injured. Assuming also that this was all that the defendant knew, or could possibly know by the exercise of ordinary care, still we do not think the instruction should have been given, for the reason that the defects were not of such a character as would, as a matter of law, preclude the reasonable supposition that the scaffold might not be used with safety by the exercise of ordinary care and .caution. The jury were not to be told upon these facts, *25as a matter of law, that the plaintiff could not recover. It was for the jury to determine from the nature of the defects in the scaffolding, in connection with all the other circumstances, whether the plaintiff was guilty of negligence in using the defective appliance.
There was evidence tending to show that the defendant’s foreman’s attention had been called to the insecurity of the scaffolding; if such was the case, it became defendant’s duty to remedy the defects so as to render it reasonably safe. It follows, therefore, that the defendant’s instruction No. 1, in the nature of a demurrer to plaintiff’s case, was properly refused. Instruction No. 4 being in conflict with the law, as held in this opinion, was also properly refused. Numbers 5, 6 and 7 required of the plaintiff, in the performance of his duties, in effect, the highest degree of care and were consequently properly refused by the court.
The defendant assigns as error the action of the Court in overruling its objection to the following answer to a question put to witness Roberts: ‘ ‘ Q. Now state when you came to inspect it [referring to a board in the scaffold] whether, if it had been examined carefully, the danger could have been found easily? A. Why, certainly, yes; the place where Mr. Hester broke through was rotten.” The question propounded was calculated to elicit a conclusion, and did so in part, but the latter half of the answer, to the effect that the place where plaintiff broke through was rotten, was a statement of fact, and practically annulled the vice of that which' preceded it. The jury could not, taking the answer as a whole, have been misled.
There is nothing in this opinion in conflict with the expression of Judge Ellison in the former opinion-of this court, but entirely in harmony with what was there said: We quote from that opinion, viz.: “The re7 marks of Judge Rombauer in Pugler v. Bothe, 117 Mo. 500, are not applicable. There the nature of the work and the place were such that the servant knew the de*26feet and danger much better than the master could possibly know it. ’7 The reference in this opinion to that class of eases and the one under consideration will fully explain the application intended by the special reference of Judge Ellison to that case.
We find that the cause was tried without material errors. Affirmed.
All concur.