DISSENTING OPINION
Bland, Judge:The instant merchandise, dried sweet or candied kumquats in jars, has been classified by the trial court under paragraph 743 as oranges at 1 cent per pound. (Candied fruits are provided for ad valorem.)
The trial court had held in Quong Lee & Company et al. v. United States, 10 Cust. Ct. 23, C. D. 716, that such merchandise was within the common meaning of the term “ oranges,” no question of commercial designation having been decided. In the instant case the Government sought to prove and, I think, did prove that kumquats such as those at bar were not oranges in the tariff sense according to the meaning of the term in trade and commerce.
After a too meager discussion of the record and without referring to important testimony relied upon by the Government, the majority say:
It is true, as pointed out by the court below, that although certain witnesses for the Government testified that the term “orange” had a commercial meaning different from its common meaning, they did not inform the court as to such commercial meaning. The most that those witnesses testified to was that the term “kumquat” was excluded from the commercial meaning of the term “orange ”
*46In the absence of any testimony as to the commercial meaning of the term “orange,” the statement of the witnesses that the involved merchandise was excluded from that term is insufficient to prove commercial designation. See Jas. Akeroyd & Co. et al. v. United States, supra; Acker v. United States, 1 Ct. Cust. Appls. 328, T. D. 31431; Lamont, Corliss & Co. et al. v. United States, 16 Ct. Cust. Appls. 488, T. D. 43224; United States v. Schoemann & Mayer, 17 C. C. P. A. (Customs) 349, T. D. 43778; Passaic Worsted Co. et al. v. United States, 17 C. C. P. A. (Customs) 459, T. D. 43916, and authorities therein cited; United States v. Armand Schwab & Co., Inc., et al., 30 C. C. P. A. (Customs) 72, 78, C. A. D. 218.
The majority have not stated certain positive statements in the evidence which distinguishes the commercial meaning from the common meaning.
At first blush I was of the impression, from statements made in oral argument, that there was a failure of proof in respects other than that indicated in the above-quoted statement, which statement is the basis of decision by the majority. Upon review of the record I find that from the testimony of the Government's eight witnesses (the importer presented none) proof of commercial designation was sufficiently established.
It would lengthen this opinion too much to discuss all of the testimony in detail, but I think certain features of it should be pointed out. One witness, Samuel H. Kelly, with the California Fruit Growers Exchange for 30 years, stated that he sold oranges, grapefruits, and lemons all over the United States and Ganada to jobbers and wholesalers. He enumerated his dealings in the markets of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Spokane, Butte, Salt Lake City, Denver, Des Moines, Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City, Baltimore, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, and Cincinnati, and mentioned that there were 55 different cities involved. He also testified that he had sold kumquats in small quantities and identified Exhibit 1 as a twig containing four kumquats. He stated in substance that he was familiar with the trade’s understanding of the term “oranges.” He stated that he would not call Exhibit 1 an orange, that there was a difference in the common meaning and the commercial meaning of the term “orange,” and his testimony is clearly to the effect that when oranges are bought and sold, throughout his trade experience, they are sold as certain kinds of oranges. He stated that, in his dealings, if he should get an order from a customer for oranges a delivery of kumquats would not be acceptable as filling the order. He said he would not call a kumquat an orange, and upon being asked whether mandarins and tangerines were included in the commercial definition of an orange stated positively that they were not. He stated that “they are never referred to in commerce as oranges. They are referred to as tangerines, mandarins, or onsus, or whatever they happen to he," and that they were not referred to in trade as “mandarin oranges” or as “tangerine oranges’’ and that “if a jobber gave *47me an order for a car of mandarins be wouldn’t say a car of mandarin oranges. He would say a car of mandarins, or a car of tangerines”— that is tbe way tbey are referred to in the trade.
He was asked to state the difference between a kumquat and an orange. He answered:
Well, the eating quality there is no similarity whatsoever. An orange, the pulp is palatable and sweet in taste. The pulp in a kumquat is very sour, and I couldn’t imagine anybody eating them out of hand, but you can eat oranges, of course, out of hand, because they are sweet and palatable, but the kumquat, the pulp of it, is very sour. As a matter of fact, the peel is sweeter than the pulp is.
Other witnesses further stated the difference between a kumquat and an orange and testified, as is stated in the majority opinion, that there was a difference between the common meaning and the commercial meaning of the term “oranges,” and that the commercial meaning did not include a kumquat. Joseph Moyes, in answer to a question relating to tangerines, said that while the dictionary may define it as an orange “it is not known to the trade as an orange because it is known as a tangerine.” The same is true of kumquats.
The various witnesses were from several parts of the United States.
On the first question raised by the appellee as to whether or not the proof would justify a finding that the meaning proposed by the Government was general, definite and uniform throughout the United States, although it has shown by this witness, Kelly, alone, that that meaning prevailed in 55 widely scattered parts of the United States and Canada, southern California, and elsewhere, the appellee contends that it did not include Texas and Arizona, orange producing areas. Surely it cannot be contended that when witnesses of such vast experience, dealing throughout the length and breadth of the nation, testify as to the meaning of a term in such an unusual volume of trade this testimony should be rejected on the ground that it is local and partial. It is possible (and I am glad to say that the majority have not so found) that one attempting to prove commercial designation, where nothing to the contrary appears, is required to produce a witness from every State and every part of every State throughout the United States in order to make a prima facie case? The majority have not ruled on this point.
While I have found no express authority for the holding, it would seem to me that if a showing is made as to the custom in the trade in the principal markets of the country it would be sufficient in the absence of any showing to the contrary.
An examination of the record discloses that the Government went to great pains to seek witnesses throughout the United States to testify as to the meaning of the term “oranges,” and it seems obvious that in no law suit would it be practicable to produce witnesses showing what every small concern throughout the United States styled its *48goods. Surely the great array of testimony produced by the Government, none being introduced by the importer, should be held to make a -prima facie case on the issue of generality throughout the country. I have never seen a record so replete with evidence of sales practices in so many places in the United States. If there were substantial communities throughout the United States where the trade nomenclature differed from that of most of the country surely the importer would have found them and countered the very strong prima facie case made by the Government.
I conclude that the testimony was sufficient upon this issue.
The next issue, relating to the character of proof required, is of vastly more importance than the one just discussed.
It will be noticed that the majority has cited certain authorities purporting to be in support of some of the statements in the above quotation from the majority opinion. Without taking time to analyze those cases here, they do not support some of the statements made in the above quotation. Some of the cases support a portion of what is said in the above statement, although those cases did not involve the same facts as are involved here. There is plenty of proof in this record that clearly distinguishes the commercial meaning from the common meaning of the term “oranges,” and that proof ought to be frankly stated. I will not undertake to state it all but will refer to some of it. The majority opinion states that “The most that those witnesses testified to was that the term ‘kumquat’ was excluded from the commercial meaning of the term ‘orange.’ ” This statement is erroneous. The witnesses went much further than that as I shall in part and very briefly point out.
I think this court has gone too far in the way of restrictive rules applied to proof of commercial designation and I wish to state here that in some of those decisions which I think are the most offensive in this regard I participated and I was the author of one of them.
We have come to a point where it seems almost impossible, if not entirely so, to make a case of commercial designation which will stand up in the customs courts if it is questioned by the opposing party. Few cases, in my judgment, in all the history of the application of the rules relating to proof of commercial designation are more illustrative of the importance of relaxing the rules than is the instant case. Knowing what oranges are and what kumquats, tangerines, and mandarins are, it simply doesn’t make sense to hold that dried sugared kumquats in cans are dutiable as oranges at 1 cent per pound where there is a specific provision in the statute for “candied, crystallized, or glacé fruits, not specially provided for.”
We have no question here of weighing the evidence. It is all one way, although sometimes somewhat confusing by reason of the peculiar attitude taken by the trial judges in sustaining objections to-*49questions. But it is our duty in determining questions of this character to use common sense and common understanding and to regard the evidence, if pertinent, as supporting our knowledge on the question. I am not willing to decide this question on the matter of judicial knowledge of what are or what are not oranges and kumquats, although I urge that our knowledge in this connection must be used in a sensible way in evaluating the evidence.
I have an abundance of authority for this suggestion. In Robertson v. Salomon, 130 U. S. 412, at page 415, in reversing the court below in the exclusion of certain evidence, Justice Bradley, under circumstances quite similar to those at bar, said:
* * * We think, therefore, that the court erred both in its charge and in the exclusion of the evidence offered, especially as, without any evidence, and with the common knowledge which we all possess, the court might almost have been justified in directing a verdict for the defendant. [Italics mine.]
The subject of discussion was white beans.
It is quite interesting to note that Chief Justice Fuller, in Sonn v. Magone, 159 U. S. 417, discussing the Robertson case, sufra, quoted the paragraph I have quoted above and then said (page 423):
* * * In this case [also involving beans] the court was not only almost but altogether justified in such direction, and while there are expressions in that opinion which have been laid hold of as qualifying the general rule as to judicial knowledge, they must be treated as induced by the state of the record, and are not to be regarded as having that effect. [Italics mine.]
So we should look upon the proof offered in the light of common sense and common understanding, and I am thoroughly convinced, from what I have the right to take knowledge of and from the abundance of proof, which is sufficient without judicial knowledge, that the imported instant merchandise should never be classified as oranges and assessed at 1 cent per pound.
If the proof in this case is rejected I do not know how an importer or the Government would ever have the temerity to attempt to make the effort again, and, judging from the trial court’s decision, relying as it does on this phase of the case on the decision in Passaic Worsted Co. et al. v. United States, 17 C. C. P. A. (Customs) 459, T. D. 43916, it becomes important to consider whether that case and one other here discussed have gone too far in the way of restricting the rules relating to proof of commercial designation.
As before stated, however, the trial court did not quote or comment upon many phases of the evidence in this case that were not covered by the Passaic Worsted case or any other case here cited.
The question of the form of proof required to constitute proper proof of commercial designation requires a discussion of decisions that I feel would take more space than I would like to devote to it here. But since I have made the point that this court, with my full *50approval and consent, has so restricted the doctrine that it is out of harmony with what I now believe should be the controlling law on the question, I think it necessary to mention briefly certain decisions dealing with the subject.
I start the discussion with one of the earliest leading cases found on the question, Two Hundred Chests of Tea; Smith, Claimant, 22 U. S. 430 (March 1824). In that case, opinion by Justice Story, certain fundamental principles were laid down with reference to the commercial meaning of terms, which principles have been followed throughout the years: (1) “Congress spoke in the language of commerce”; (2) “The true inquiry” is whether the imported article “is known, and bought and sold, and used, under the denomination” claimed; (3) The legislature “did not suppose our merchants to be naturalists, or geologists or botanists.”
The meaning of the term “sugar” and the difference between sugar and syrup were involved in U. S. v. 112 Casks of Sugar, 33 U. S. 277 (July 1834). In discussing the testimony the court pointed out that in ascertaining the character and designation of the goods in question a pure question of fact was involved and the nature of the inquiry admitted of nothing more than expressions of opinion, which resulted, as is generally the case in such inquiries, in a difference of opinion. It was further held that the court must weigh the evidence. The court called attention to the fact that the testimony of scientific witnesses on the scientific meaning of the term had to yield to the commercial meaning. It might be added here that the decision not only supports the proposition that there is often a distinct difference in the commercial meaning from that of the common meaning of a term but that there is a difference at times between the scientific meaning and the common meaning. And let it be remembered that the testimony of a fully qualified witness on commercial designation is to be regarded as that of an expert and the opinions of an expert are always accepted in any form in any case. However, there is an abundance of testimony in the instant record that under no stretch of the imagination could be regarded as opinion evidence.
It is interesting to note the development of the rules applicable to proof of commercial designation in various Supreme Court cases, among which might be cited the following: Elliott v. Swartout, 35 U. S. 137; Arthur v. Cummings, 91 U. S. 362; and Cadwalader v. Zeh, 151 U. S. 171. Many others decided by the Supreme Court throughout the last century could be added to those already mentioned, and the rules laid down therein were followed by the Circuit Courts and the Circuit Courts of Appeals for many years. For example, see Sidenberg et al. v. Robertson, 41 Fed. 763, and In re John Hope & Sons Engraving & Manufacturing Co., 100 Fed. 286. In no place have I *51found an expression which outlaws testimony on this question because the witness has expressed an opinion.
The first case in this court on this question, United States v. Kwong Yuen Shing, 1 Ct. Cust. Appls. 14, T. D. 30773, which turned upon the question that the proof did not show that a commercial designation was definite, uniform, and general, cited a leading Supreme Court, Maddock v. Magone, 152 U. S. 368, as controlling.
In Park & Tilford v. United States, 1 Ct. Cust. Appls. 34, T. D. 31006, the court rejected the testimony because it did not follow that at and prior to July 24, 1897, or at any other time, there was or had been any definite, uniform, and general trade designation of cut-glass bottles “which excludes such as are before us * * (Compare this rule with that laid down by the majority.)
In Acker v. United States, 1 Ct. Cust. Appls. 328, T. D. 31431, the court said:
• The further requisite, however, is necessary in assigning to a phrase a commercial limitation or application that it must be proven not alone that the imported merchandise is not classed therewithin, but there must be assigned by proof to that phrase a scope and meaning which is clearly, definitely, and uniformly understood throughout the United States which includes some other merchandise and excludes the imported merchandise and excludes the imported merchandise. [Italics mine.]
There so-called opinion evidence was acceptable.
I will pass over all other cases which might reflect at all upon the question as to whether a witness’ stating that the commercial meaning of a term excludes or includes an imported article is an opinion and not proper proof and come next to this court’s opinion (with which I, at the time, agreed) in Passaic Worsted Co. et al. v. United States, supra. There the court stated in substance that where a witness is asked if certain articles belong within a certain class the answer he gives will simply be his opinion “and the true facts may not be readily available on cross-examination.”
In United States v. Schoemann & Mayer, 17 C. C. P. A. (Customs) 349, T. D. 43778, which opinion I wrote and with which opinion the majority of the court were in agreement (Hatfield, J., concurred in the conclusion), it was pointed out that the testimony in that case, among its faults, attempted to express the opinion that the toys there involved belonged to a class of merchandise sold at wholesale in 1922 which was commercially considered as toys. This case and the Passaic Worsted case, appearing in the same volume, do not support the above-quoted statement of the majority in the instant case. The evidence there was not of the same character as the evidence at bar.
Just here it should be pointed out that prior to the time I, for the court, wrote the opinion in the Schoemann cfc Mayer case, the court, in a decision written by Judge Hatfield, in Lamont, Corliss & Co. et *52al. v. United States, 16 Ct. Cust. Appls. 488, T. D. 43224, at page 497, pointed out tbe defects of certain testimony by saying:
* * * Nor was there any evidence that the imported article was included within the trade term “toys.” The evidence of the Government in that ease [referring to United States v. Globe Overseas Corporation, 13 Ct. Cust. Appls. 10, T. D. 40849] was precisely what counsel for importers erroneously, we think, claim the evidence is here. The evidence here is not confined to the trade designation of a domestic stearic acid. It goes farther, and tends to establish that the involved product is excluded from, that class of merchandise designated in the trade as stearic acid.' Furthermore, the evidence in this case meets the issue squarely. [Italics added.]
It is probable tbat Judge Hatfield concurred in tbe conclusion in said Schoemann & Mayer case because it tightened up tbe rule tbat be bad laid down there and, if so, be was right.
In tbe Passaic Worsted case, supra, tbe court attempted to state tbe character of testimony which would be proper to show commercial designation and, following tbe Shoemann & Mayer case and others, held tbat to testify tbat an article belonged within a certain class was an opinion, and tbe witness could not be properly cross-examined.
While tbe Passaic Worsted case was afterwards often cited, tbe principle there announced on tbe instant point apparently was never controlling. In this court’s decision in Stephen Rug Mills v. United States, 32 C. C. P. A. (Customs) 110, C. A. D. 293 (written by Jackson, J.), tbe Passaic Worsted case was there cited on a point not herein involved, and tbe court, addressing itself to tbe question of proof of commercial designation of tbe term “imitation oriental rugs,” stated:
* * * Furthermore, it was admitted from the beginning by appellant that the common designation differed from the commercial designation, which of course must mean that the commercial designation of the goods differed from the common designation. Since appellant proved that the imported merchandise was bought and sold at wholesale and was uniformly, definitely, and generally known as “imitation oriental rugs, wholly or in cheif value of cotton,” his case conformed to the principles laid down in the Passaic Worsted case, supra, as well as the other cases concerning commercial designation.
The instant record affords plenty of proof involving a premise which is tbe converse of tbe above quotation. Kumquats were never bought or sold, or known in tbe trade, as oranges.
In United States v. Tausig & Pilcer, Chas. Redden, 18 C. C. P. A. (Customs) 421, T. D. 44681, tbe majority of tbe court, where there was no conflict in tbe evidence, in sustaining certain proof of commercial designation of certain leather, said:
While this testimony might have been more precise and definite, we conclude that, in the absence of any showing to the contrary, it establishes fairly well that at and just prior to the enactment of the Tariff Act of 1922, the leather which was commercially designated as bag, strap, and case, was leather of the bovine species, and was limited to such leather as was used for heavy bag and suit cases, and straps therefor. Seal leather, pig and “elefant” leather were not included within such designation. [Italics mine.]
*53In United States v. Stone & Downer Co. et al., 16 Ct. Cust. Appls. 82, T. D. 42732, tbe court quoted tbe following from tbe case of Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States, 12 Ct. Cust. Appls. 490, T. D. 40695:
In order to have their goods admitted free, the appellants must establish that they are “shingles.” Two Hundred Chests of Tea, 9 Wheat. 428 [437], Or importer might establish that the word “shingles” had a well-known, uniform, and general trade meaning, and that it included the merchandise in question. Knauth v. United States, 1 Ct. Cust. Appls. 422, T. D. 31499. [Italics mine.]
It will be noticed that wbat was required to be proved witb respect to tbe issue I am now discussing is that tbe trade meaning “included tbe mercbandise in question.” Tbe same rule would, of course, -apply witb reference to excluding it.
Tbe Board of General Appraisers, in Knauth v. United States, 1 Ct. Cust. Appls. 422, T. D. 31499, made tbe following bolding, and tbis court made no criticism thereof and concurred in tbe opinion of tbe board upon that issue:
Many witnesses were examined in this proceeding, and the Government has endeavored to prove by their testimony that the term “lithographic print” had a well-known, uniform, and general trade meaning, and that it included articles of the kind here in question. * * *
No question as to tbe evidence being tbe opinion of witnesses as to whether an article was excluded or included within tbe commercial meaning of a term was there stressed.
As a deduction from tbe weight of authority in tbe foregoing cited cases, it is my view that there is no justification for tbe bolding of tbe majority as to tbe effect to be given certain parts of tbe Government’s testimony as being opinion evidence and therefore objectionable.
I think we should frankly modify tbe Schoemann & Mayer case and tbe Passaic Worsted case, and others, and bold that where such testimony is not disputed or where tbe record strongly supports it, it has probative value and might be given controlling effect.
Moreover, I think, aside from tbis question, there was plenty of evidence, not quoted or discussed in tbe majority opinion, which, standing undisputed, is clearly convincing that in commerce kumquats were never known as “oranges” or referred to by that name and that tbe scientific or botanical meaning of tbe term “orange” under such circumstances should not be controlling.
Although I am in doubt as to whether tbe question is sufficiently specifically raised in tbe Government’s assignment of errors, it occurs to me that initially it should have been held that candied, canned kumquats were not specially provided for as oranges. (See supra as to judicial knowledge.)
While I conclude that tbe Government has made a case of commercial designation, it is obvious that tbe proof could have been more definite and complete in some respects. Tbis usually is true in any case. Tbe Government was handicapped, as is shown by tbe record, *54by the different views of the lawyers and the court with respect to the proper manner of proving commercial designation. Unquestionably, judging from the positive statements of the witnesses in the record, in determining the meaning of oranges and whether or not the term “oranges” included kumquats, it was proper for the Government to have further introduced more testimony with respect to whether or not in commerce, they had ever heard a kumquat called an orange. There is considerable testimony to that effect in the record. (See Lamont, Corliss & Co. et al. v. United States, supra.)
In my opinion, the judgment appealed from should have been reversed.