Opinion by
Mr. Chief Justice Moore.1. It is maintained that an error was committed in permitting George Catching, over objection and exception, to testify as to the rate of speed at which the automobile was going immediately prior to the accident. It is argued that the testimony fails to show the witness was qualified to express the opinion which he declared. Mr. Catching testified:
That just before the accident occurred he was in Springfield, going south on Seventh Street toward and about 300 feet from Main Street, when he saw an automobile driven east on the latter street. Alluding to that machine, plaintiff’s counsel asked: “How far did you see it on Main Street?” This witness replied: “Well, I didn’t see it after it got past Seventh Street more than about 100 feet. Not more than 100 feet, because it was practically, well, it was dark out there. It was running in a dark, black-place. You see it had left the arc-light. It passed by there.”
Having stated that very soon thereafter he again saw the automobile on Main Street, between Eighth and Ninth, where the accident occurred, he was asked in reference to its passing Seventh Street:
“What speed was the automobile going when you saw it?
“A. I don’t know how fast. * *
“Q. Do you know how fast the machine was going?
“A. Eeally, I don’t know how fast the machine was going. * *
“Q. Do you know approximately how fast that automobile was going
“A. Well, I will tell you.”
*270An objection was here interposed, on the ground, inter alia, that the witness was not qualified to answer the question, but, this having been overruled, he continued :
“Well, I would judge at the time it was running, well, it was going about between 20 and 25 miles an hour.
‘ ‘ Q. Did it continue at that speed as long as vou saw it?
“A. I could not say as to that, because I turned my attention away as soon as he had went into the dark, and I couldn’t tell whether he slacked up or not.
“Q. Did anything especially call your attention to that automobile at the time ?
“A. Well, it was going along at a pretty lively gait was all.
“Q. Did that call your attention especially to the automobile at that time?
“A. Yes; that was the only thing.’ ’
On cross-examination the witness was asked, regarding the automobile, “You could not state as a matter of fact and you do not know how fast it was going?” He answered, “I am just guessing at it now.
“Q. It is all mere guesswork with you?
“A. Yes.”
On redirect examination he was asked: “Have you ever ridden in a car where they had a gauge to tell how fast they were going?
“A. Yes.
“Q. So that you are able to judge something about • the speed that the car was going? You would know what speed a car was going at?
“A. Well, I don’t know under them conditions whether I would be or not.
“Q. What is your judgment, your best judgment, as you stood there and looked at the car; is it your best judgment that it was going at 20 to 25 miles an hour ?’ ’
*271An objection to tbe question, on the ground that it was leading, having been overruled, the witness replied: “I would judge it was going 20 to 25 miles an hour.
“Q. That is your best judgment?
“A. That is my best judgment of it at the time I saw it. I didn’t know what it did do after that.”
An exception to the general rule of expert evidence is the admissibility of testimony respecting the identity and appearance of persons and things, as to which facts, when personally observed by anyone of maturity and ordinary intelligence, he may express an opinion: State v. Brown, 28 Or. 147 (41 Pac. 1042); First Nat. Bank v. Fire Assn., 33 Or. 172 (50 Pac. 568, 53 Pac. 8); State v. Barrett, 33 Or. 194 (54 Pac. 807); Weiss v. Kohlhagen, 58 Or. 144 (113 Pac. 46); Kitchin v. Oregon Nursery Co., 65 Or. 20 (130 Pac. 408, 1133, 132 Pac. 956). Consonant with this recognized departure from the general rule, it was held in Dugan v. Arthurs, 230 Pa. 299 (79 Atl. 626, 34 L. R. A. (N. S.) 778), that a bystander, not possessed of technical or scientific knowledge, may give his opinion as to the speed of an automobile which runs down and injures a person in the highway. In deciding that case, the court says:
‘ ‘ The experience of nonexpert witnesses will enable them to form a reasonably accurate judgment as to the speed of a passing machine, and nothing beyond that is expected or should be required. Of course, the value and the weight to be given such testimony by the jury will, as in similar cases, depend upon the attention the witness has given the subject and the opportunities for observation which he may have had. His experience in such matters, however, goes to the weight, and not to the admissibility of his testimony. The witness is competent to express an opinion as to *272the speed of the machine; it is for the jury to determine what weight they will give his testimony. ’ ’
In Wolfe v. Ives, 83 Conn. 174 (76 Atl. 526, 19 Ann. Cas. 752), it was ruled that:
“An adult person of reasonable intelligence and ordinary experience in life, who just before an accident observed the passing automobile, the rapid speed of which is claimed to have caused the accident, is presumably capable, without proof of further qualification, to express an opinion as to how fast such automobile was going.”
Persons who are accustomed to operate automobiles and have observed their velocity as indicated by speedometers can generally, without looking at such registering instrument, very accurately determine the rate of movement. So, too, police officers, a part of whose business is to apprehend violators of speed ordinances, from observing the movement of vehicles within a given distance when compared with the time required in passing over the intervening space, can very closely estimate the speed of an automobile by seeing it pass. Persons of the classes indicated are not always present at or immediately prior to a collision whereby an injury is inflicted that results in an action to recover damages for alleged negligence in operating an automobile and while other adults may not have enjoyed such opportunities for observing the rate of speed of such machines, they are nevertheless competent to express opinions on that subject, and though their estimates may be conjectural, they are admissible, the weight and value of their testimony being for the jury to determine.
The testimony of Mr. Catching was competent, and no error was committed in receiving it.
*273Other errors are assigned. They, however, are deemed, immaterial.
It follows that the judgment should be affirmed, and it is so ordered. Affirmed. Rehearing Allowed.
Mr. Justice Bean, Mr. Justice Benson and Mr. Justice Eakin concur.