Defendant’s uncontradicted affidavit used before the preliminary examination and again before trial disclosed that the automobile and the five bottles of liquor were possessed by the officers as the result of an unlawful search and seizure and such should have been so held as a matter of law. When the same question is considered in connection with the testimony given b}? the deputy sheriffs on the preliminary examination and again at the trial the result is the same. Under their testimony the situation presented to these officers at the time they entered the automobile and took its contents was one which, at the most, might have justified the issuance of a .search warrant by a magistrate. The granting of such a writ, however, is a matter for judicial determination and not within the much more limited field of the discretion vested in executive or administrative officers. State v. Peterson, 27 Wyo. 185, 194 Pac. 342, 13 *411A. L. R. 1284, and the many authorities in that case cited. The search and seizure in this case was, upon the facts presented, without sufficient warrant in law and therefore unlawful.
Notwithstanding this, the evidence thus procured was received, and there is for consideration the presently much vexed question whether a trial court, when challenged as here, shall halt in the trial sufficiently to determine whether or not evidence offered by the state against a defendant charged with a crime has been obtained by the officers of the state by unlawful means, and particularly if in violation of rights secured to the deféndant by constitutional guarantees, and if found to have been so obtained reject it.
The constitutional provisions particularly relied upon by defendant, so far as material, are. as follows:
Art. I, sec. 8. “No person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.”
Art. I, sec. 11. “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place, to be searched and the persons Or things to be seized.”
Sec. 8 corresponds in substance with art. V and sec. 11 is identical with art. IV, respectively, of the amendments to the United States constitution. Such federal provisions are not here asserted because not concerned with state action. Minneapolis & St. L. R. Co. v. Bombolis, 241 U. S. 211, 217, 36 Sup. Ct. 595; Kentucky F. Corp. v. Paramount A. E. Corp. 171 Wis. 586, 590, 178 N. W. 9.
In passing upon such question arising from similar constitutional provisions there are two clearly opposed views.
Some courts early adopted and have followed the doctrine that neither preliminary to nor upon the trial of a criminal cause will the ccfurt consider the question as to the means used in obtaining the offered evidence, relegating the de*412fendant to his action for damages if there were any unlawful invasion of his constitutional rights. Among recent cases so holding with numerous citations to others are the following: State v. Tonn (Iowa) 191 N. W. 530 (which case evidently, though not expressly so-stated in the majority opinion, is an overruling of their holding to the exact opposite of less than a year before in State v. Rowley, 187 N. W. 7); Billings v. State (Neb.) 191 N. W. 721; People v. Mayen (Cal.) 205 Pac. 435; Johnson v. State, 152 Ga. 271, 109 S. E. 662, 19 A. L. R. 641; Comm. v. Tucker, 189 Mass. 457, 470, 76 N. E. 127; State v. Pauley (N. Dak.) 192 N. W. 91.
The federal and many other courts, however, have held that on proper challenge the state will not be permitted to use against a defendant charged with crime evidence which appears to have been seized or obtained by government officials by or through a violation of constitutionally guaranteed rights. Amos v. U. S. 255 U. S. 313, 41 Sup. Ct. 266, holding that liquor found through an unlawful search of defendant’s home should, on demand, have been returned to him and could not be used as evidence over his objection; Gouled v. U. S. 255 U. S. 298, 41 Sup. Ct. 261, that papers obtained at defendant’s home through stealth by a government representative is a violation of his constitutional guaranty against unlawful search and seizure, and to use them as evidence is a further violation of his constitutional guaranty that he shall not be compelled to be a witness against himself in a criminal case, the court saying (p. 306):
“In practice the result is the same to one accused of crime, whether he be obliged to supply evidence against himself or whether such evidence be obtained by an illegal search of his premises and seizure of his private papers. In either case he is the unwilling source of the evidence.”
In Burdeau v. McDowell, 256 U. S. 465, 41 Sup. Ct. 574, the majority held that this recognized rule did not *413apply to papers stolen from defendant by a third person, no government official being concerned, and that such might be lawfully used as evidence when subsequently put in the possession of the government. The rule in the Amos and Gouled Cases, supra, is followed in the federal courts, as is shown by these recent decisions: Giles v. U. S. (Ct. of App. 1st Cir. Oct. 28, 1922) 284 Fed. 208, where the liquor was seized under what was held to be an insufficient search warrant; Snyder v. U. S. (Ct. of App. 4th Cir. Nov. 7, 1922) 285 Fed. 1, where an arrest was made by an officer upon the suspicion created by the sight of the neck of a bottle protruding from defendant’s pocket and a new trial was granted because of the improper use of the evidence so obtained; U. S. v. Quaritius, 267 Fed. 227; U. S. v. Kraus, 270 Fed. 578; U. S. v. Slusser, 270 Fed. 818, declaring that successful discovery is not sufficient of itself to justify that which was at the beginning an unlawful search; Dukes v. U. S. 275 Fed. 142; Murphy v. U. S. 285 Fed. 801 (Jan. 1923), where a conviction was reversed because money identified as having been in the mail pouch defendants were charged with having stolen was taken without search warrant from defendants’ till and received in evidence.
Among the many state courts following the federal rule we cite People v. Marxhausen, 204 Mich. 559, 171 N. W. 557, 3 A. L. R. 1505, note at p. 1514; People v. Halveksz, 215 Mich. 136, 183 N. W. 752; People v. Foreman (Mich.) 188 N. W. 375; People v. Dorrington (Mich.) 191 N. W. 831; People v. Margolis (Mich.) 190 N. W. 306; Tucker v. State, 128 Miss. 211, 90 South. 845; Hughes v. State (Tenn.) 238 S. W. 588, 20 A. L. R. 639, note 652; Helton v. Comm. (Ky.) 243 S. W. 918; Ash v. Comm. (Ky.) 236 S. W. 1032; Youman v. Comm. 189 Ky. 152, 224 S. W. 860, 13 A. L. R. 1303, note 1360; State v. Peterson, 27 Wyo. 185, 194 Pac. 342, 13 A. L. R. 1284.
*414Much reliance is placed by counsel for the state upon two recent Michigan cases: People v. Case, 190 N. W. 289, and People v. De Cesare, 190 N.'W. 302. In the former, by a divided court, it was held that where defendant had driven his automobile containing intoxicating liquor, in, violation of the prohibition law, upon the public fail-grounds where the county fair was in progress, police officers had a right to search such automobile without a warrant and the liquor so seized was admissible in defendant’s prosecution. This holding was based upon the propositions that, as soon as illegal possession or transporting of liquors begins, such are forfeited to the state and a person can have no property rights therein, ánd also that the nature of the automobile and the extent to which it can be used as a means of crime furnishes basis for the view that such search is not unreasonable. So far as such decision might be construed to justify the search in the present case we cannot concur with it. A very interesting historical discussion on the subject is found in the dissenting opinion in that case by Mr. Justice Wiest, with whom concurred two'other Justices. Upon the main proposition on which that opinion is based, namely, that the liquor in question was, by reason of illegal possession or transportation, forthwith the property of the state, the authorities are by no means all in accord; many holding that such property, either the liquor itself or the vehicle in, which it is transported, requires some form of judicial determination to' that effect before such forfeiture is absolute, generally conviction of the person possessing or transporting. Gemart v. Pooler, 171 Wis. 271, 177 N. W. 1.
It should be noted in connection with this Michigan case that it is well established doctrine that in all applications to have such evidence returned or its use suppressed the question for determination is not whether the defendant was in lawful or unlawful possession — owner or not owner — of it, but only if it was unlawfully taken from him. U. S. v. Descy, 284 Fed, 724; Godat v. McCarthy, 283 Fed. 689.
*415The second Michigan case (People v. De Cesare, supra), by the'court divided as in the other case, may be distinguished in that the search' there was made at the time the defendant was being arrested upon what was deemed sufficient probable cause to suspect him of being guilty of then committing a crime.
•In most if not all of the other cases cited on behalf of the state substantially the' same situation was presented as in the De Cesare Case. None of the cases so cited affect our conclusion as here reached.
That evidence obtained in search of defendant’s person or immediate belongings at 'the time of his lawful arrest does not come within the rule- or the situation here presented is indicated in such decisions as. Ash v. Comm. (Ky.) 236 S. W. 1032; Bell v. U. S. 285 Fed. 145; U. S. v. Rembert, 284 Fed. 996 (but this case expressly recognizes that mere submission to the claimed right of officers to search is not such consent as amounts to waiver) ; People v. Chyc, 219 Mich. 273, 189 N. W. 70; State v. Miller (Wash.) 209 Pac. 9.
For ourselves we elect to stand, as this court has heretofore stood, with the federal and other courts which consider these provisions of the Bill of Rights as embodied in 'constitutions to be of substance rather than mere tinsel. We hold, therefore, that the evidence challenged in this case was taken by the officers by unlawful search and seizure and contrary to sec. 11, art. I, Wis. Const., supra, and was improperly received in evidence against him on the trial in violation of his rights under sec. 8, art. I, Wis. Const.
This court squarely aligned itself with rulings of the United States supreme court in Thornton v. State, 117 Wis. 338, 341, 93 N. W. 1107, and State v. Murphy, 128 Wis. 201, 207, 107 N. W. 470, each of which cited- with approval Boyd v. U. S. 116 U. S. 616, 6 Sup. Ct. 524, and Bram v. U. S. 168 U. S. 532, 18 Sup. Ct. 183, infra.
We firmly believe as to each of these provisions that *416which was said as to the right of exemption from compulsory self-incrimination in Twining v. New Jersey, 211 U. S. 78, at p. 91 (29 Sup. Ct. 14):
“It was generally regarded then [referring to the adoption of the several constitutions], as now, as a privilege of great value, a protection to the innocent though a shelter to the guilty, and a safeguard against heedless, unfounded, or tyrannical prosecutions.”
The two constitutional provisions here invoked are quite closely interwoven, and generally, as in this case, that which is obtained by unlawful search and seizure is subsequently attempted to be used to incriminate him from whom obtained, the one violation being but a preface to the other. This view has been very fully and clearly discussed by Anderson, J., in Tucker v. State, 128 Miss. 211, 90 South. 845, and many authorities are there cited.
In Lang v. State, 178 Wis. 114, 189 N. W. 558, this court very recently set aside a conviction for murder because there were used in evidence against defendant, statements, miscalled a confession, extorted from him by resort to personal violence and methods declared to savor. of the rack and thumb-screw.' It is needless, perhaps, to say that we are still in accord with the views there expressed by Mr. Justice Jones, speaking for this court. The statements in that case obtained from the defendant were held inadmissible because •of no probative force. But this court also there stated that other cases place the rejection of such evidence on the ground that it is a violation of the constitutional guaranty against the compulsory giving of evidence against oneself, citing to that effect Bram v. U. S. 168 U. S. 532, 18 Sup. Ct. 183, supra. That view seems tacitly, if not expressly, approved in the case of Weeks v. U. S. 232 U. S. 383, 393, 34 Sup. Ct. 341, and expressly so approved in Gouled v. U. S. 255 U. S. 298, 306, 41 Sup. Ct. 261, infra, as well as in Silverthorne L. Co. v. U. S. 251 U. S. 385, 391, 40 Sup. Ct. 182.
*417We see no reason in logic, justice, or in that innate sense of fair play which lies at the foundation of such guarantees, why a court of justice, rejecting as abhorrent the idea of the use of evidence extorted by violation of a defendant’s right to be secure in person and exempt from self-incrimination though it may result in murder going unwhipt of justice, should yet approve of the use, in the same court of justice, by state officers, of that which has been obtained by (other state officers through, and by, a plain violation of constitutional guarantees of equal standing and value, though thereby possibly a violation of the prohibition law may go unpunished.
Sec. 11, art. I, Wis. Const., supra, is a pledge of the faith of the state government that the people of the state, all alike (with no express or possible mental reservation that it is for the good and innocent only), shall be secure in their persons, hottses, papers, and effects ■ against unreasonable search and seizure. This security has vanished and the pledge is violated by the state that guarantees it when officers of the state, acting under color of state-given authority, search and seize unlawfully. The pledge of this provision and that of sec/8 are each violated when use is made of such evidence in one of its own courts by other of its officers. That a proper result — that is, a conviction of one really guilty of an offense — may be thus reached is neither an excuse for nor a condonation of the use by the state of that which is so the result of its own violation of its own fundamental charter. Such a cynical indifference to the state’s obligations should not be judicial policy. .
Such constitutional provisions here invoked are not grants of rights of action for trespass against official or individual violators of such guaranteed rights, for other provisions of the constitution give such remedies. To say, then, that when the state itself has thus violated its own pledges it may use the results thereby obtained for its own purpose, become a party to the trespass by ratification, trace its title through *418wrongful acts of its officers, remain itself immune in its sovereignty from legal liability, and then relegate the individual whose rights are thus swept away and made valueless in and by a court of justice to his bootless and fruitless action of trespass against such trespassing state officials as individuals, is to. gibe and to jeer.
No statute of limitations has or can run against such guarantees. The wisdom or propriety of them is not for the courts or state officials to question or débate any more than may such courts or officials question the wisdom or propriety of any other such provisions. Constitutional provisions of later date acquire no priority in value over their elders, and the efficacy of any such provision does not dimmish in comparison with others in any proportion based upon their respective perspectives. Zeal for the enforcement of one provision should not succumb to the temptation to breach the fidelity owed to another coequal provision. Lang v. State, 178 Wis. 114, 189 N. W. 558. While they stand as they have so long stood the courts are pledged to support and uphold them, be the consequences what they may.
The defendant’s conviction in this case having no sufficient foundation to support it without the use of evidence which had been unlawfully obtained must be reversed and set aside. This case presents a situation where we deem it proper not to send it back for a new trial, but to direct the dismissal of the proceedings.
By the Court. — Judgment reversed, and cause remanded with directions to discharge the defendant.