*301(Chapter 13)
MEMORANDUM OPINION
Robert G. Mayer, United States Bankruptcy JudgeEach debtor in these three chapter 13 cases seeks to strip off a wholly unsecured lien of a deed of trust on his or her principal residence. In each case, the property is owned by the debtor and his or her spouse as tenants by the entirety and the spouse has not filed a petition in bankruptcy. They contend that Alvarez v. HSBC Bank USA, NA (In re Alvarez), 733 F.3d 136 (4th Cir.2013) and In re Hunter, 284 B.R. 806 (Bankr.E.D.Va.2002)—which prohibit a lien from being stripped from property held by the debtor as a tenant by the entirety unless both spouses are debtors before the court - are not applicable because the non-filing spouse is not liable on the note secured by the lien. The court disagrees and will deny the requested relief.
A lender generally has two rights with respect to a secured loan, an in per-sonam right against the debtor and an in rem right against the collateral. Alvarez, 733 F.3d at 138; citing Dewsnup v. Timm, 502 U.S. 410, 417, 112 S.Ct. 773, 116 L.Ed.2d 903 (1992); Johnson v. Home State Bank, 501 U.S. 78, 84, 111 S.Ct. 2150, 115 L.Ed.2d 66 (1991) (“a bankruptcy discharge extinguishes only one mode of enforcing a claim—namely, an action against the debtor in personam—while leaving intact another—namely, an action against the debtor in rem.”).
A creditor’s in personam and in rem rights are treated separately. The in personam right is eliminated by a discharge in bankruptcy. Branigan v. Davis (In re Davis), 716 F.3d 331, 338 (4th Cir.2013) (“a bankruptcy discharge alters in personam rights, precluding an action against the debtor for personal liability”). A discharge does not affect the in rem right. It does not void the lien securing the debt. The lien passes through bankruptcy unaffected by a discharge. Dewsnup, 502 U.S. at 418, 112 S.Ct. 773. Conversely, eliminating the lender’s in rem right—stripping a lender’s lien—does not affect the debtor’s in personam liability. If there was in personam liability, the stripped claim becomes an unsecured claim and is entitled to be paid with the other, unsecured claims. If otherwise discharge-able, it will be discharged with the other unsecured claims.
The absence of a debtor’s in personam liability does not affect a lender’s in rem right. For example, a debtor with no in personam obligation to a secured lender may strip the in rem lien off the property. In Branigan, a chapter 13 debtor’s in personam liability had been discharged in a prior chapter 7 case. In the subsequent chapter 13 case, he stripped the, now, non-recourse lien from the property. It follows that the presence or absence of in personam liability to the lender by the non-filing spouse neither enhances nor detracts from the lender’s in rem right against the property itself.1 The presence or absence of in personam liability of either the debtor or his spouse does not affect the ability to strip a wholly unsecured lien. Alvarez applies and unless both spouses are debtors before the court, the lien may not be stripped in a chapter 13 case.
In Morris, the debtor sought to overcome the problem by having the non-*302filing spouse transfer his interest in the property to the debtor after the case was filed. The critical point in time is the filing of the petition. The filing of the petition is when the rights and responsibilities of the debtor, the creditors and the estate are established. For example, in Alvarez the Court of Appeals looked to the value of the property when the petition was filed. 733 F.3d at 139. A subsequent conveyance is not retroactive and does not alter the title as it existed on the filing date. If the applicable point in time were later, as Morris contends, the court would have to consider the good faith of the parties. If they were seeking to do indirectly what they could not accomplish directly — which appears to be the case here — it is likely that the complaint would be dismissed as having been filed in bad faith. Branigan, 716 F.3d at 338; Phillips v. Krakower, 46 F.2d 764 (4th Cir.1931).
These cases are controlled by Alvarez. The presence or absence of personal liability by the non-filing spouse is not relevant. The complaints will be dismissed.
. It does not matter why the non-filing spouse is not liable on the note. In Morris and Mandehzadeh, the non-filing spouses received a discharge in a prior chapter 7 case. In Gomez, the non-filing spouse did not sign the note in the first instance although she signed the deed of trust.