MEMORANDUM OF DECISION
TERRY L. MYERS, CHIEF U. S. BANKRUPTCY JUDGEIn this adversary proceeding, the Court must determine if a chapter 7 debtor is entitled to a discharge of his debts. In litigating this issue, the parties addressed events, disputes and litigation spanning two decades and three bankruptcies.
In June 2013, the United States Trustee (“UST”) filed a complaint objecting to the discharge of debtor Philip L. Hart (“Hart”) under § 727(a), commencing Adv. No. 13-07017-TLM.1 Prior to that complaint being filed, the United States on behalf of the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) had filed a complaint initiating Adv. No. 13-07016-TLM. The IRS objected to the dischargeability of significant tax liabilities under § 523(a) and to Hart’s discharge under § 727(a). In September 2013, the two adversary proceedings were consolidated with the IRS’ action becoming the lead case.
In the summer of 2014, the IRS and Hart settled certain aspects of litigation before the United States District Court for the District of Idaho in United States of America v. Philip L. Hart, Case No 11-cv-00513-EJL (the “District Court *20Case”).2 Under that settlement, Hart agreed to entry of a judgment establishing that Hart’s 1996-2008 tax obligations, including interest to December 31, 2013 (amounts totaling $392,968.81), were non-dischargeable and that statutory interest would continue to accrue thereon. The agreed judgment also provided that penalties and interest on penalties (amounts totaling $193,335.89) would .be dischargea-ble in the event this Court ultimately granted Hart a discharge. The final amount of the judgment, including all categories, was $586,304.70 as of December 31, 2013,3
The IRS and Hart also successfully negotiated a settlement of their bankruptcy litigation. Hart wanted to keep the terms of the settlement confidential, and the parties agreed that he could seek an order from this Court sealing the record. He sóught that relief, but it was denied by this Court’s decision and order in September 2014. Adv. Doc. Nos. 38-39. Under this agreement, an agreed judgment would be entered establishing the amount of Hart’s tax obligations and the § 523(a) nondis-chargeability of those amounts and interest accruing on such amounts. The District Court’s Stipulated Judgment did so. The IRS also agreed to, and later in this Court did, dismiss its § 727(a) claims. But both the agreement and the later order dismissing the IRS’ § 727(a) claims recognized the UST’s ability to continue the pursuit of its separate § 727(a) action.4 This was the reason for the qualification in the District Court’s judgment as to potential discharge of penalties and interest on penalties.
The UST’s § 727(a) action came on for trial pursuant to notice on February 3-5, 2016. The parties appeared through counsel of record, and the events of the trial are reflected in the Court’s minute entries.5 The matters were taken under advisement when post-trial briefing was completed in June 2016.6 This Decision constitutes the Court’s findings of fact and conclusions of law. Rule 7052.
JURISDICTION
The Court has jurisdiction over this proceeding under 28 U.S.C. § 1334(b) and 28 U.S.C. § 157. This is a core proceeding under 28 U.S.C. § 157(b)(2)(J). The UST’s complaint was timely filed. Rule 4004(a). FACTS
A: Debtor’s background
Hart received a bachelor of science degree in civil engineering from the University of Utah in 1980. He earned a master’s degree in business administration (MBA) from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. He works as a licensed structural and civil engineer.7 He also *21served from 2004 to 2012 in the House of Representatives of the State of Idaho, sitting on the State Affairs, Revenue and Taxation, Judiciary and Rules, and Transportation Committees.
Hart’s testimony and demeanor generally reflected his higher education and professional background. He appeared to be intelligent, was articulate, and his responses to questioning were for the most part precise. He generally was not argumentative. He answered carefully, often clearing up ambiguities in poorly phrased questions. He also at times in his examination clarified details or facts misstated in his counsel’s excessively leading questions. Inconsistently, however, Hart on several occasions asserted that he was unable to remember or reeall acts, events, discussions or details that were fundamental if not critical to the matters being litigated.8
B. Underlying tax issues
Hart filed federal income tax returns for 1994 and 1995, but claimed no liability or obligation to pay based on his personal interpretation of constitutional and tax law, and his conclusion that a person’s wages and salary are not taxable “income.” Hart did not file a return for 1996. These three years became the foundation of the initial disputes between Hart and the IRS, though they continued for many years.
Hart described his research on the subject of “income” and the Sixteenth Amendment, which he said included his review of “every document” on the subject contained in the Library of Congress. He ultimately wrote and in 2004 published a 400+ page book, “Constitutional Income: Do You Have Any?” which is currently in its 3rd edition.9 In the process of preparing his book, Hart also read and analyzed numerous reported court decisions.10
The IRS disagreed with Hart’s position regarding his income taxes for 1994-1996, and this commenced what would become a lengthy and eventually litigated dispute. In 1998, after the IRS rejected the position he had taken, Hart petitioned the U.S. Tax Court.11 He was unsuccessful there and, in 2001, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the Tax Court.12 Hart then petitioned the Supreme Court of the United States for a writ of certiorari, which was denied in 2003. Hart thereafter prepared and filed returns for the years through 2002.
In the subsequent process of collection of the tax liabilities, Hart completed an IRS “collection information statement” *22(“CIS”) and signed it under penalty of perjury, certifying that it was “true, correct and complete,”13 It was received by the IRS on September 20, 2004. Hart acknowledged that he knew the CIS would be relied upon by the IRS in its collection of taxes.14
Among other things, the CIS showed both his personal and business address as “2900 Government Way [#] 262, Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.” Hart conceded at trial, however, that this address was nothing more than a UPS store location where he received mail.
Hart actually had, at that time, a business address on Front Street in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. He explained he did not list this address on. the CIS because the property was a rental and he had been told by the landlord it would only be available for a year. Hart admitted, though, that he maintained that business property on Front Street for another four or five years.
C. The Sarah Loop Property
Hart also failed to disclose on the CIS the residence where he had lived for several years. His response in the statement merely indicated- that he rented, and did not own, a home.
In 1995, Hart purchased 10 acres of real property in Kootenai County, Idaho.15 It ultimately would be assigned the address of 4430 E. Sarah Loop, Athol, Idaho (“Sarah Loop Property” or, at times, simply the “Property”). Starting in 1996, Hart constructed a 2,888 square foot log and conventionally framed residence on the Property.16 Some of the logs and timber used in construction were commercially purchased by Hart, but some were illegally harvested from Idaho State Endowment Land. Hart acknowledged that the State sued him for this conduct and received a judgment against him.
Hart started living at the Sarah Loop Property in 2001 or so, apparently as it was nearing completion, and lived there continually thereafter until the Property was sold in early 2016 under District Court order.
D. The Trusts
Hart testified he had been involved in a bitter divorce, was concerned about his relationship with and the protection of his then-minor daughter Sarah, and that these concerns ultimately led him to attempt to create two trusts.
1. The White Peak Ventures Trust (“WPV Trust”)
In 1997, Hart became acquainted with Tim E. Ortega and Ortega’s associate, Clementine Estrada.17 Hart testified that he believed they were experienced in estate planning and .trust issues, though he *23did not explain precisely why he had that view other than referring to his attending an Ortega seminar in Spokane, Washington. He acknowledged that Ortega never claimed to be an attorney. Estrada testified she was not an attorney and never told Hart that she was one.
Hart paid Ortega to create a trust— which Hart understood would be an “irrevocable” trust—into which he could contribute the Sarah Loop Property. Hart’s professed intent was to protect this real property for Sarah’s benefit.18 He indicated the plan or concept generally was that he would complete and live in the residence on the Property and, as a trust “manager” (but not “trustee”) be required to maintain the residence and Property as an asset of the trust until Sarah turned 45 when it would be conveyed to her.19 According to Hart, Sarah visited the property and stayed with him only for holidays and extended vacations, and never “lived” there.
A “declaration of trust” dated July 1, 1997, and executed by Ortega was recorded in the Kootenai County real property records on August 8, 1997.20 It specifically refers to the WPV Trust. Hart testified that he neither saw nor executed any trust agreement or document at that time. Hart did indicate that Ortega at some point provided him a 150-page, draft trust agreement, but that he had returned it to Ortega unsigned. Hart therefore knew, and testified, that “I know for sure a [WPV] trust document was never executed.”21 Hart testified that he may have at one time had a copy of some trust-related documents, apparently including those regarding the WPV Trust as well as a subsequent trust, but a number of his records were lost in moves of AEG’s rented business location in 2005 and 2006.22
The “declaration of trust” names Ortega as the trustee and asserts the trust is “an irrevocable, inter-vivos, true Trust[.]” Estrada was identified as the “protector” of the trust,23 It also indicates a “Kenneth Breno” was the “trustor” though he contributed nothing more than possibly $21.00 in cash.24
Hart is not identified anywhere in this document as the grantor, trustor, trustee or otherwise involved with the WPV Trust. Hart transferred the Sarah Loop Property to Ortega—as trustee of the WPV Trust— by way of a “real property deed to [a] trust” recorded on August 8,1997.25
*24This initial transfer of the Sarah Loop Property into trust came without Hart’s receipt of any consideration. Despite this 1997 transfer, which was clearly without value given, Hart responded “No” on the 2004 CIS when asked “In the past 10 years did you transfer any assets out of your name for less than their actual value?” Ex. 29 at 3.
2. The Sarah Elizabeth Hart Trust (“SEH Trust”)
Hart testified he quickly lost confidence in Ortega, though he did not explain precisely why. Hart then met at leást three times with Gordon Ormesher26 and Gordon’s nephew, Jeffrey Ormesher. The Or-meshers either professed to have, or Hart believed they had, some expertise in estate planning and trusts. Hart knew that neither of the Ormeshers was an attorney, though Hart said he in some fashion was led to believe there were attorneys assisting them.
Hart had the Ormeshers create the SEH Trust. Gordon Ormesher thought the trust’s creation likely occurred in October 1997. He also said Hart was given a copy of the trust document, if not the original.27 Gordon had at one. time seen the trust document, which he said was created by Jeffrey.28 Jeffrey testified however that he did not remember preparing the document, though he was probably its first trustee.29
Hart characterized what the Ormeshers prepared as “boilerplate documents,” but he did not produce a copy of those documents. He admitted the same were provided to him, but claimed they, too, were lost in the later moves of AEG’s office. Hart said he had requested copies of the SEH Trust documents from both the Ormeshers but was “unsuccessful.”
Gordon Ormesher said that the purpose of the SEH Trust was for Hart to secure and protect the Sarah Loop Property for his daughter and that Hart would live in the Property “rent free” and maintain, improve, and “manage” the Property for her. He also understood that the Property would go to Sarah at the time of Hart’s death.
Gordon also stated he had never heard of the WPV Trust, nor was he aware of the prior transfer of the real property into that “irrevocable” trust, and that he did not assist in the subsequent transfer of that property into the SEH Trust. However, his declaration filed in the bankruptcy case acknowledges that he agreed to help Hart create a new trust and reflects his awareness of the purpose, and accomplish*25ment, of the transfer of the real property from the WPV Trust into the SEH Trust.
a. Transfer of the Sarah Loop Property into the SEH Trust
A warranty deed executed by Ortega as trustee of the WPV Trust, transferring the Sarah Loop Property to the SEH Trust, was recorded on December 18,1997.30 This transfer was done at Hart’s request and direction.31
b. Acquisition and transfer to the SEH Trust of a tractor
While the Property is the most significant asset at issue, a Massey Ferguson tractor was also discussed. Hart purchased the tractor with a cashier’s check for $6,500 in April 1996, and received a bill of sale.32 This was the sole asset, other than the Sarah Loop Property, transferred by Hart into the SEH Trust, and it was transferred without Hart receiving any consideration.33 Except as discussed later in this Decision, the tractor has been continually located at the Sarah Loop Property and under Hart’s control and is used by him on that Property.
E. Operation of the SEH Trust
Jeffrey Ormesher recalled that a trust statement or initial declaration existed for the SEH Trust. Jeffrey, however, had no documents and professed having no role in creating any documents. He did concede, though, that he was named as the trustee of the SEH Trust (perhaps with a second but unnamed individual) and that he never “resigned” from that position.
Though designated as trustee, Jeffrey Ormesher never visited or inspected the Sarah Loop Property in Athol, Idaho. He did not establish the “rent” Hart would pay to the SEH Trust in order to reside there. He never collected any rent, or paid any expenses of the SEH Trust. He kept no records for the SEH Trust. In short, his testimony established that he never conducted himself as trustee. In fact, it effectively reflected that he lacked any understanding of what the role and obligation of a trustee entailed. He deferred to Hart in all aspects regarding the SEH Trust and its operations.
After a number of years Hart could no longer find Jeffrey Ormesher and approached other individuals to become trustee. In 2005, and at Hart’s request, Jon Lafferty became the successor trustee of the SEH Trust. Lafferty was a real estate professional and a business acquaintance of Hart’s stemming from Lafferty’s attempts to find an office location for Hart’s engineering business. Lafferty also considered Hart a friend. Lafferty indicated he had a very short in-person or telephone conversation with Hart, in which Hart simply indicated that he needed a trustee for the SEH Trust because a previous trustee had resigned.
Lafferty had never been a trustee before. He did no research and made no inquiries as to what his responsibilities as *26a trustee would be. Hart advised Lafferty that the SEH Trust’s assets consisted of the Sarah Loop Property and a tractor and that Lafferty’s role as a trustee was mainly to ensure that, if Hart died, the Property would go to Sarah.34
Lafferty was trustee of the SEH Trust from 2005 to 2013. He could not recall ever meeting the beneficiary, Sarah, or communicating with her. He never provided reports, accountings or other information about the SEH Trust to her or to others for her benefit. When Lafferty became trustee, he did not request an accounting of the SEH Trust’s affairs from the prior trustee(s). Nor did he at any time see any documents regarding the SEH Trust, including any deeds or other documents involving the transfer of any property into the SEH Trust. When he was later named as a party in the IRS’ District Court Case against Hart and received a subpoena requiring production of all SEH Trust records, Lafferty produced none because he never had any.35
Hart effectively operated, managed and ran the SEH Trust in all material regards. The SEH Trust’s “trustees” existed in name only.
1. Rent, expenses and records
Lafferty understood, from Hart, that Hart had the right to live on the Property.36 He also knew that Hart took care of virtually everything involving the Property, including payment of all utilities, repairs, and real estate taxes. Hart never provided Lafferty any documents or ac-countings for any of the financial transactions related to the Property. Lafferty never (1) filed or paid any taxes; (2) kept any financial or documentary information; (3) dealt with upkeep or repair; (4) got keys to the Property; or (5) established what rent would be paid, collected rent, or ever knew or verified that rent was paid. He did testify that he was invited to the Property by Hart at one point, and that Hart asked for Lafferty’s opinion on the best way to make certain repairs or modifications, but he conceded that in doing so Hart was not asking for his “permission.”
Hart handled all financial aspects and all the details involving the Property. Hart determined an initial $600/month amount of rent, and this amount never changed.37 Hart said he would put $600, in cash, into his desk drawer at the residence each month, and would withdraw cash from the drawer as needed for expenses related to the house.38 He said there was rarely more than one or two month’s worth of “rent” in the drawer at any time, and often no cash *27there at all. In the event there was no cash when an expense needed to be paid, he would “loan” the money to the trust (sans any. documents or records) and adjust the “rent” accordingly.
Hart kept no records of the rent paid to, or the transactions of, the SEH Trust, whether in the form of ledgers, summaries, income and expense statements, or otherwise (except for some loose “receipts” for items he paid for in cash). He never established or used a checking account for the SEH Trust. He dealt in cash but also used a WalMart debit card at times, and would re-load it by using cash.
Hart testified that an attorney, John Green, advised him that he did not need to keep records of or for the SEH Trust. Green prepared an April 2015 affidavit at Hart’s request that asserted there were no regulations establishing a requirement that Hart or the SEH Trust’s trustee keep any records. Ex. 171. Green was also called to testify.
Green has been Hart’s friend since 1997 or 1998. Green is a lawyer, and indicated he is licensed in Texas and Washington, but he has no office in either state. Green lives in Idaho, but he is not licensed to practice law in Idaho. Green’s areas of practice include “some” federal tax work and, in his words, “lots of ‘liberty-related’ issues.”
Green never talked with the putative trustees, including Jeffrey Ormesher or Lafferty (though he said he met Lafferty briefly once), or with Sarah Hart. Green also did not recall ever seeing or reading any SEH Trust document. Nevertheless, despite this lack of information or inquiry, his testimony and affidavit establish that he gave Hart legal advice regarding the SEH Trust.39 When cross-examined about the IRS forms of income tax returns for trusts and instructions, he admitted he had seen such forms before but had never prepared any. And he stated he was unaware of the gross income threshold that triggers the need to file those returns.40
As noted, Hart never kept records regarding the trust in the form of ledgers, bank accounts, or income statements, but he did keep “in a box someplace” some “receipts” of expenses related to the residence that were paid for in cash (e.g., purchase receipts for items bought at Home Depot). From these, he created after-the-fact summaries of expenses for the years 2008-2011.41 He also prepared a declaration with similar information regarding 2012.42
2. Use of the tractor
Hart did allow the Massey Ferguson tractor, which he contended was owned by the SEH Trust, to be used by other parties. But this only occurred about three times. It otherwise stayed on the Property since its 1996 acquisition and was used by Hart. He said that Lafferty, as trustee, was asked if that use by others would be acceptable. Lafferty recalled, however, only one time when he was told or advised that someone other than Hart was using the tractor, and disagreed that he was asked by Hart to give permission or ap*28proval.43
A friend and neighbor of Hart’s, Shaun Mosqueda, testified that he had helped Hart with some phone line work in 2011 and 2012. Hart wanted to pay Mosqueda, who demurred, but asked if perhaps he could use the tractor in lieu of payment. According to Mosqueda, Hart said he “had to check” but didn’t indicate with whom. About two weeks later Hart told Mosque-da it was acceptable, who then used the tractor from April to August 2012.
F. The IRS pursues recovery
As noted, in the CIS Hart signed in 2008 and again in 2004, he told the IRS that he had not transferred any property in the preceding 10 years for less than its actual value. He had, however, transferred the Sarah Loop Property into the WPV Trust in 1997 and at some point transferred the tractor, first acquired in 1996, into the SEH Trust. Neither transfer was disclosed.44 However, Hart’s responses on the CIS provided other information to the IRS. The IRS started garnishing Hart’s legislative pay starting in 2005 and, according to Hart, continuing until his first bankruptcy filing.
In 2007, Hart formed his civil engineering business, Alpine Consulting Group, LLC. That structure changed with his creation of AEG two years later. Hart treated them as one and the same, save for the name change. Hart is the sole member of the LLC.
In 2008, the IRS issued a notice of federal tax lien regarding Hart’s taxes in certain years between 1995 and 2005 totaling slightly over $155,000. Also in 2008, the Idaho State Tax Commission (“ISTC”) issued a notice of deficiency. In 2010, the IRS issued another notice of federal tax lien for certain years between 1997-2006 totaling approximately $280,000, and another notice of tax lien in 2010 for 2008 taxes of about $13,000. Each of the notices listed, as the taxpayer, the SEH Trust as nominee of Hart.45
Also in 2010, Hart transferred an Audi automobile that he had purchased earlier for $9,000. He transferred it to White Snow, LLC, an entity he formed three years earlier. White Snow had two members, Hart and Cliff Knoll. Knoll never contributed anything to "White Snow. White Snow from its inception never conducted any business, opened a bank account, or kept any records. The Audi was the sole asset of Wfiiite Snow, and the gas, insurance, repair and other operating expenses associated with the Audi were paid by Hart, who drove the car. .
1. The District Court litigation, and bankruptcy filings
As noted, in October 2011, the IRS filed a complaint in the U.S. District Court for the District of Idaho against Hart and the SEH Trust seeking to fix the amount of taxes (praying for a judgment of almost $550,000) and to' foreclose on the Sarah *29Loop Property. The complaint also alleged the transfer of the Sarah Loop Property was fraudulent, and that the WPV Trust and the SEH Trust were shams and Hart’s nominees or alter egos.
By April 2012, the District Court had denied motions to dismiss and for extensions of time for discovery, and set a trial date in November 2012.
In May 2012, the IRS, Hart, and Lafferty as trustee of the SEH Trust entered into a stipulation and consent to judgment in the District' Court Case. Ex. 84. Under it, the parties agreed the transfer of the Sarah Loop Property from the WPV Trust to the SEH Trust should be set aside with respect to the IRS. Also Lafferty, as the trustee of the SEH Trust as of the date of such stipulation and on behalf of the SEH Trust, disclaimed any interest in the Sarah Loop Property, An order approving the stipulation, and a judgment, were entered on May 2, 2012. Exs. 85, 86.
Within a month of this stipulation, order and judgment, Hart filed a 2012 chapter 13 bankruptcy case, Case No. 12-20648-TLM (“Hart I”):46 This bankruptcy filing stayed the District Court Case including Hart’s pending deposition. See § 362(a). Hart I was voluntarily dismissed on August 27, 2012, based on Hart’s lack of eligibility for chapter 13 relief under § 109(e). Dismissal terminated the stay and allowed the District Court Case to proceed.
Two months later, on October 24, 2012, Hart filed a second chapter 13 bankruptcy petition, Case No. 12-21220-TLM (“Hart IF’). Hart II again caused a stay of the District Court Case, though only briefly under the terms of § 362(c). In November 2012, this Court denied Hart’s request to extend the stay. The District Court accordingly set additional deadlines for discovery and dispositive motions in its action. On January 2, 2013, Hart II was dismissed, once again on the basis of Hart’s lack of eligibility for chapter 13 relief under § 109(e).
Two weeks later, on January 16, 2013, Hart filed a third bankruptcy petition commencing Case No. 13-20039-TLM (“Hart III”). This case was filed under chapter 7. Given the provisions of § 362(c), the third serial bankruptcy filing did not result in an automatic stay. Hart sought judicial imposition of such a stay, ■ which this Court denied, and the District Court Case continued.
On June 6, 2013, the District Court entered a Memorandum of Decision and Order. See Ex. 94 (“District Court Decision”). The District Court found “it is undisputed that Mr. Hart’s attempted transfers of the Property are ineffective as neither recipient [the WPV Trust and the SEH Trust] was a bona fide purchaser for value.” The District Court Decision granted the IRS’ motion “to the extent [that such motion] seeks a determination that Mr. Hart is the true and beneficial owner of the Property and the United States’ tax liens arising from Mr. Hart’s liabilities attach to the Property.” Id. at 38.
2. Stipulated judgment and sale of the Sarah Loop Property
Hart and the IRS entered into a settlement agreement in the District Court Case. See Exs. 95 (proposed judgment), 97 (judgment entered Jan. 5, 2015). Under it, judgment was entered against Hart in the amount of $586,304.70 as of December 31, 2013, and the Sarah Loop Property could be sold by the IRS on further order of the District Court.
*30Upon a March 2015 unopposed motion, the District Court entered an order for the sale of Hart’s residence. District Court Case at Doc. No. 139 (“Sale Order”). The Sale Order established the sale procedures, including a provision, in the event Hart was not the high bidder, that Hart would have 7 days after the.sale occurred to vacate the premises (defined therein as the “Date to Vacate”). Under the Sale Order, Hart was to remove all his personal property by the Date to Vacate or the same would be deemed abandoned, though Hart could request permission to return to the property, appropriately accompanied, for the purpose of removing any remaining personal property.
As reflected by filings in the District Court Case, a sale occurred on October 1, 2015, and Hart was the high bidder. He thereafter requested a 45-day extension of the deadline for payment of the balance of the purchase price. Id. at Doc. No. 141. The District Court granted only a 21-day extension. Id. at Doc. No. 144. The District Court there noted that Hart had repeatedly requested extensions of time throughout the case; the deadlines in the sale process were the result of an agreement between the parties; Hart was fully aware of the required time frames; the request for extension was made on the day the balance was due and owing; and the delay was due to Hart’s lack of diligence. This order established a November 12, 2015 deadline, and ordered that no further extensions would be granted. The November deadline passed without Hart paying the balance of the purchase price. Id. at Doc. No. 145.
The Sarah Loop Property was ultimately sold to a third party for $182,000 effective on March 31, 2016.47
G. Representations, and omissions, in the bankruptcies 1. Hart I
In his May 2012 bankruptcy, Hart filed schedules, verifying under penalty of perjury that they were true and correct to the best of his information and belief. He said there that he owned no real property. Ex. 102 at 1. He disclosed no unexpired lease of residential property, id. at 14 (sched. G), but indicated that he paid $600/month in rent. Id. at 17 (sched. J).
His attorney in Ha/rt I, Michael McFarland,48 testified that he prepared those schedules for Hart’s review and execution based on Hart’s completed “worksheet” and that it was McFarland’s practice to emphasize the need for a debtor’s total candor and accuracy in filling out such worksheets.
In the worksheet he provided McFarland, Hart wrote under the category of real estate that it was “unknown who owns the residence located at 4430 E. Sarah Loop, Athol Idaho.” Ex. 212 at 4. Hart .admitted he wrote that entry.49 Hart also told McFarland that his residence was owned by a “trust” that had been formed more than 10 years previously. McFarland recalls seeing a document, possibly the WPV Trust—SEH Trust deed, Ex. 47, but recalled little additional detail. But it appeared clear that Hart did not provide McFarland details of his creation of the initial trust, or the transfer between *31trusts. To the extent the trust was “self-settled,” McFarland’s concern was primarily that it happened more than 10 years earlier, given the call of questions on the statement of financial affairs (“SOFA”). Hart also failed to tell McFarland that he actually collected, handled and fully controlled on behalf of his trust “landlord” the “rent” he paid as well as the property itself.50
Recall also that, by the time the Hart I petition was filed on May 29, 2012, Lafferty as the trustee of the SEH Trust had already conceded in the District Court Case that the transfer to the SEH Trust should be set aside and that he disclaimed any interest in the Property on behalf of the SEH Trust. Ex. 84 (stipulation filed May 2, 2012). The District Court entered an order and judgment on that stipulation. Exs. 85, 86 (entered May 2, 2012). Hart was a party in that case, and he was represented by the same attorney as Laf-ferty and the SEH Trust. Nothing in the evidence reflects that Hart ever advised McFarland of these events and developments.
McFarland also would have inquired further and have amended the statement of financial affairs if Hart were in possession and control of property owned by a third party. The worksheet did disclose some personal items owned by Sarah, and a tool owned by a third party, located at the Property. But despite making these disclosures, Hart did not mention the tractor, or the rent money in the drawer, or the Audi, all of which he knew were in his possession and, like Sarah’s items, were by Hart’s contention owned by another.
Hart stated in a declaration filed in Hart III that he had no intent of “hiding” all these details from McFarland, and that it was only “[a]fter the first case [ie., Hart 7] had been filed [that] the efficacy of the trust became an issue.” Ex. 154 at 4. This was false.
Hart was served with the summons in the District Court Case on November 15, 2011, and the efficacy of the SEH Trust was clearly put at issue by the complaint. Hart’s January 5, 2012 answer in that case specifically denied the IRS’ assertion that “the purported entity known as Sarah Elizabeth Hart Trust is a sham entity and should be disregarded.” Hart also knew before the filing of the first bankruptcy petition in May 2012 that the SEH Trust was “at issue” given the developments in the District Court Case, including Lafferty’s disclaimer on behalf of that trust. In fact, contrary to the declaration, Hart conceded at trial that, when he filed Hart I, he knew the SEH Trust “was an issue and contention in the District Court case.” Tr. at 328-29.51
At the July 13 § 341(a) meeting in Hart I, Hart declined to answer many of the IRS attorney’s questions about his interests in the Property and the alleged trusts, or about consideration received for the Property’s transfer into trust, or about the reason for the omission of disclosure about the Property and the trusts in the schedules and SOFA. Ex. 216 (§ 341(a) transcript). Though he disclosed that he paid $600/month in rent, he merely indicated that it was paid “to the trust.” Hart did not disclose that he personally handled the *32receipt, as well as the payment, of that rent, in cash. Additionally, when counsel for the chapter 13 trustee asked Hart at this § 341(a) meeting if the trustee of the Trust could confirm receipt of the “rent checks,” Hart said “you’ll have to ask him” though Hart knew for a fact that there were ho “rent checks” at all, and knew that nothing was paid or transmitted to Lafferty as trustee but, instead, the “rent” was in cash and controlled solely by Hart. The chapter 13 trustee, C. Barry Zimmerman, testified at trial that such matters would have been material to his administration of the case.
Hart I was dismissed on August 27, 2012, three months after it was filed, on Hart’s § 1307(b) motion filed after he had stipulated to a lack of eligibility under § 109(e).
2. Hart II
Hart II, also a chapter 13 case, was filed two months later on October 24, 2012. Hart was represented in Hart II by attorney Brant Stevens. Stevens said he used the schedules and statements from Hart I and “updated” them for use in Hart II.
When Stevens was asked specific questions about what Hart had told him about the SEH Trust, the trust documents, the possession and control of the Property, or. the manner in which Hart handled the payment and disposition of rent, Stevens repeatedly responded that he “could not recall.”52 Stevens did concede, though, that things such as a transfer from one irrevocable trust (WPV) to another irrevocable trust (SEH); Hart’s personal collection and subsequent control of the rent paid “to” the SEH Trust; Hart’s handling of payments “by” or on behalf of the SEH Trust; and similar matters all would have raised “red flags” to him as counsel.
Hart and Stevens were both asked about claims Hart had made in his deposition to the effect that he had wanted to list the Property in Hart II and admit that he owned it, but that Stevens argued with him not to do so. Stevens could not recall any such argument. Hart testified that the word “argument” overstated the tenor of the actual conversation they had regarding the matter. But he also testified that he ultimately did not disclose the Property as his own based on Stevens’ advice and advice from “other attorneys too.” He also indicated he thought because the Property was in an “irrevocable trust” he could not alter that status and, instead, a court would have to. Ultimately, Hart’s schedule A made the following disclosure:
Primary residential property located in Kootenai County, Idaho, at 4430 E. Sarah Loop, Athol, ID, 83801. Tax assessed value of property is $202,897. Debtor believes the property to be worth $186,665.24 taking into consideration 8% sales costs. It is the debtor’s position that the property is not part of this bankruptcy estate due [to] it being in an irrevocable trust.
Ex. 113 at 3 (emphasis added). This portion of Hart’s verified schedules was filed on January 13, 2013, after Lafferty, as trustee of and on behalf of the SEH Trust (and represented in the District Court Case by Hart’s own attorney, Charles McFarland), disclaimed any interest in the Property in May 2012, See Ex. 84.
Hart’s schedule G did not show his lease of the Property. He disclosed in his SOFA, as property “held” for a third party, only some personal property held for Sarah, but not the cash or the tractor which were in his sole possession and control but, per *33his contentions, belonged to another. He similarly did not disclose his possession of the Audi (though he did schedule his 50% ownership of White Snow, LLC).
At the Hart II § 341(a) meeting, Hart was examined and again refused to answer questions from the IRS about the Property, the trusts, the alleged lease, and similar matters. He did testify that the $600/ month rent shown on schedule J was paid “to the trust” and identified it as the SEH Trust, Lafferty as its trustee, and Sarah as its beneficiary. Ex. 217.
The Court in Hart II denied Hart’s motion under § 362(c) to extend the automatic stay. The District Court thereafter lifted its own order that had stayed the litigation due to the bankruptcy. This case was, like Hart I, dismissed on the basis of Hart’s ineligibility under § 109(e).
3. Hart III
On January 16, 2013, two weeks after Hart II was dismissed, the petition was filed commencing the pending chapter 7 case, Hart III. Hart was once again represented by Stevens.
The disclosure of the Property on schedule A repeated the manner of disclosure in Hart II. Ex. 122.53 The tractor was not disclosed. The SOFA again failed to disclose property held for another person or entity, save minimal personal property held for Sarah. No lease was mentioned on schedule G, nor was the cash in the desk drawer representing rent payments disclosed on the SOFA as the SEH Trust’s property in Hart’s possession or control. Id.
On March 4, Hart amended schedule A in three regards. He first indicated that his investigation of fair market value was continuing but due to his belief substantial repairs were needed, he contacted two contractors for bids. He also changed the assertion regarding the residence being held in an irrevocable trust to “Debtor’s counsel in another case, Mr. [Charles] McFarland, has conceded that the transfer of the real property into an irrevocable trust was ineffective.” Finally, he changed the assertion of the value of the debtor’s interest from $0.00 to “unknown.” Ex. 130 at 1.
H. Inquiries, litigation, and further amendments during Hart III
The UST commenced an inquiry into the Hart III schedules and statements. Jared Crawford, a UST employee and CPA, sent an April 22, 2013 letter to Hart’s counsel requesting documentation. Ex. 135. The documents received by the UST in mid-May, Ex. 143, included checking account statements from Panhandle State Bank for AEG, and from Idaho Independent Bank for Hart.54 They also included a number of purchase receipts from various stores with handwritten notations (mostly stating “petty cash” with dates and amounts).55 Hart’s reply to the inquiry also included a copy of the December 18, 1997 warranty deed under which the WPV Trust transferred the Property to the SEH Trust. Id. The UST *34also received a copy of Hart’s 2011 tax return. Ex. 144. See also Ex. 147 (Crawford summary of materials received).
In April 2013, the IRS sought a Rule 2004 examination, raising issues of the unlisted tractor and the Audi, among others. Despite testifying at the § 341(a) meeting that the SEH Trust acquired and owned the tractor, Hart filed an amended schedule B on May 3 disclosing that he owned the tractor. Ex. 138.
On June 6, 2013, the District Court entered an extensive Memorandum of Decision and Order, Ex. 94, that granted partial summary judgment to the IRS. The District Court ruled that “Mr. Hart’s attempted transfers of the Property [to WPV Trust and to SEH Trust] are ineffective as neither recipient was a bona fide purchaser for value.” Id. at 38. The District Court thus “grants the [IRS’] Motion to the extent it seeks a determination that Mr. Hart is the true and beneficial owner of the Property and the United States’ tax liens arising from Mr. Hart’s liabilities attach to the Property.” Id.
Eight days later, Hart filed another amended schedule A indicating he owned the Property, and asserting that the assessed value of $202,897 should be reduced by $133,440 (an estimate to bring it to “marketable condition”) resulting in a claimed value of $69,457. Ex. 145. Hart that same day filed an amended schedule C claiming a $69,457 homestead exemption under Idaho Code § 55-1003. Ex. 146.
Hart filed a declaration a month later in which he addressed this change in his sworn disclosures. Ex. 154. He argued that he created an “irrevocable trust” for the benefit of his daughter, and that he could not understand how such a trust could be “revoked.” Still, he also acknowledged he created the SEH Trust, after losing confidence in Ortega as trustee of the WPV Trust, and directed that the Property be transferred from that first purportedly irrevocable trust to the new, irrevocable SEH Trust. He also stated that he had believed in the efficacy of the SEH Trust when making the assertions in schedule A of each of the bankruptcy filings, and that he filed the last amended schedule A in Hart III only after the District Court entered its June 6, 2013 decision. His declaration did not address his alleged argument with Stevens at the time of the filing of Hart II about earlier asserting personal ownership of the Property.
I. Litigation over the homestead exemption
On June 28, 2013, the chapter 7 trustee in Hart III, John Munding, filed an objection to the claimed homestead objection. The objection challenged the exemption on the basis of judicial estoppel and “bad faith,” both contentions being based on Hart’s prior assertions in bankruptcy filings that the Property was held in a trust and that he had no personal ownership of or interest in it.56 That matter came on for hearing on August 27, 2013. The Court issued an oral ruling on October 17, 2013 overruling the trustee’s objection. Ex. 317 (transcript). Though the UST was not a participant in Munding’s objection, its counsel listened to the ruling. Id. at 2.
After addressing the histories of the bankruptcy cases and the District Court Case decision that preceded the amendment of schedule C, the Court addressed the question of judicial estoppel. That equitable doctrine precludes a party from gaining an advantage by asserting one position and then later seeking another advantage by taking a clearly inconsistent position. Id. at 9 (citing Hamilton v. *35State Farm Fire & Cas. Co., 270 F.3d 778, 782 (9th Cir. 2001)). The application of the doctrine requires (1) clearly inconsistent positions taken in successive litigation, (2) an acceptance by a court of the earlier position taken, and (3) an unfair advantage obtained by allowing the party to switch positions. Id. at 9-10 (citing Ah Quin v. County of Kauai Dept. of Transp., 733 F.3d 267, 271 (9th Cir. 2013)).
There was no doubt that Hart had taken an inconsistent position in three bankruptcies before his Hart III amendments and his newly-asserted claim of exemption. But even assuming Hart would obtain an “unfair advantage” (thus establishing the third factor), the absence of the second factor— that a court had accepted the earlier assertions—was fatal to the trustee’s argument. Id. at 10-13. Acceptance of a position for purposes of this doctrine can include entry of discharge, confirmation of plan, relief from stay, or other affirmative action by a bankruptcy court which relies on or presumes the fact or position as then asserted by the litigant. But dismissal of a bankruptcy case without any showing that the court relied on the assertion is insufficient to establish acceptance. Id. Dismissal of Hart I and Hart II was based on patent statutory ineligibility. There was no ruling of the Court in either case, or in Hart III, that “accepted” the prior inconsistent assertion. The trustee’s generalized contention that Hart was “playing fast and loose” with parties and the Court certainly echoed language found in some of the cases, and on the whole of the record was accurate, but the trustee failed to establish one of the specific requirements for application of judicial estoppel mandated by this Circuit’s precedent.
The Court also overruled the trustee’s objection on the generalized ground that Hart’s amendment of schedule C was made in bad faith. Noting that Hart disclosed the existence of District Court Case in Hart I, and disclosed the Property (albeit with the assertion that it was held in trust) in Hart II and Hart III, the Court found that the trustee had failed to establish bad faith within the scope and reach of the then-applicable case law. Id. at 13-16. As Hart notes, the Court also stated, in this part of the ruling, that it “cannot conclude from this record then that the debtor was attempting to conceal the property as an asset when the debtor disclosed both the litigation and later the property.” Id. at 15-16.
Finally, the Court rejected an unbriefed argument of the trustee seeking to disallow the exemption on the basis of “fraud.” Id. at 16-18. Each of the rulings emphasized what the trustee argued, as well as the evidence he elicited at the August 2013 hearing from Hart, and the decision was limited to those arguments and that evidence.
DISCUSSION AND DISPOSITION
The UST advances three causes of action in seeking to deny Hart’s discharge: concealment of or failure to maintain books and records, § 727(a)(3); continuing concealment of the Property, § 727(a)(2)(A); and false oath or account regarding the tractor, § 727(a)(4)(A).57
A. Section 727(a)(3)
The Bankruptcy Appellate Panel has summarized:
Section 727(a)(3) provides for denial of discharge where, among other things, a debtor failed to keep or preserve any *36recorded information from which his financial condition or business transactions might be ascertained. The underlying purpose of this subsection is “to make discharge dependent on the debt- or’s true presentation of his financial affairs.” Caneva v. Sun Communities Operating Ltd. P’ship (In re Caneva), 550 F.3d 755, 761 (9th Cir. 2008).
Even so, § 727(a)(3) “does not require absolute completeness in making or keeping records.” Id. Instead, a debtor must only “present sufficient written evidence which will enable his creditors reasonably to ascertain his present financial condition and to follow his business transactions for a reasonable period in the past.” Id. A debtor’s “duty to keep records is measured by what is necessary to ascertain [his] financial status.” Moffett v. Union Bank, 378 F.2d 10, 11 (9th Cir. 1967); see also U.S. Trustee v. Hong Minh Tran (In re Hong Minh Tran), 464 B.R. 885, 893 (Bankr. S.D. Cal. 2012) (type of debtor, as well as debtor’s sophistication, informs the bankruptcy court’s determination).
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An objector establishes a § 727(a)(3) prima facie case by showing that: (1) the debtor failed to maintain and preserve adequate records and (2) this failure rendered it impossible to ascertain the debtor’s financial condition and material business transactions. In re Caneva, 550 F.3d at 761. Once the objector makes this showing, the burden shifts to the debtor to justify the inadequacy or nonexistence of records. Id. Whether a debtor failed to maintain and preserve adequate records is a finding of fact, which [is reviewed] for clear error. Cox v. Lansdowne (In re Cox), 904 F.2d 1399, 1401-02 (9th Cir. 1990).
Hussain v. Malik (In re Hussain), 508 B.R. 417, 423-24 (9th Cir. BAP 2014). In a recent decision, following and quoting Ca-neva, this Court stated:
A debtor must provide adequate records for the businesses he owns or controls. See Caneva, 550 F.3d at 762 (“Without the records ..., [a creditor] cannot determine what assets [the debt- or’s] business entities held or may still hold, what assets passed through them and where they might have gone, and what them present value is, if anything. ,.. Thus we hold that when a debtor owns and controls numerous business entities and engages in substantial financial transactions, the complete absence of recorded information related to those entities and transactions establishes a prima facie violation.”).
Adams v. McKay (In re McKay), 504 B.R. 649, 654 (Bankr. D. Idaho 2014).
McKay also discussed the burden of proof that shifts to a debtor to justify the inadequacy or nonexistence of records once a prima facie case under § 727(a)(3) has been made. It noted that, in the Ninth Circuit, “‘justification for [a] bankrupt’s failure to keep or preserve books or records will depend on ... whether others, in like circumstances would ordinarily keep them.’ ” Id. at 655 (quoting Lansdowne v. Cox (In re Cox), 41 F.3d 1294, 1299 (9th Cir. 1994)).
In an earlier Cox decision, the Ninth Circuit identified several potentially relevant factors in considering claims under § 727(a)(3). They include: the debtor’s intelligence and educational background; his experience in business matters; the extent of his involvement in the business for which discharge is sought; his reliance on another party to keep records including what, if anything, he saw or was told that indicated the other party was keeping records; and any record keeping or inquiry *37duties imposed on the debtor by state law. Cox, 904 F.2d at 1404 n.5.58
1. Dearth of records regarding the trusts
Hart caused the formation of two trusts and transferred his primary and singularly most valuable asset—his home—into them. Trust records were effectively nonexistent. No originals or copies of any trust agreements were provided. Though there is a short “declaration” regarding the WPV Trust, Ex. 44, and the warranty deeds, Exs, 46, 47 and 49, there are no other formation, operational or financial documents or records for the trusts.
Though there were “trustees,” Hart’s own testimony, in addition to that of the identified “trustees,” makes clear that Hart managed all the financial affairs of the trusts. The “trustees” were shown to have been such in name or title only, and they performed no cognizable duties or services as trustees. Hart—though purportedly as a “manager” of the trust assets rather than as trustee—performed all functions.
In doing so, he kept clearly inadequate records. Hart asserted he paid “rent” of $600/month (a figure he initially established and never changed over some 16 years) in cash, placing it in a desk drawer. He testified that he would “withdraw” cash from the drawer as needed for the residence’s expenses. And Hart indicated he also, at times, obtained cashier’s checks for some expenses, like taxes, and at other times would load and use a prepaid debit card. However, no records of rental income or trust-paid expenses were maintained.
He bought items at home improvement and other stores, and kept an amalgam of receipts for those purchases related to the house, as well as some receipts for payment of property taxes and other expenses. But there were no other documents or records maintained. There are no ledgers or other contemporaneous accounts. The receipts were not shown to be complete or inclusive. Hart’s “summaries” introduced into evidence were created well after the fact. These were not persuasive exhibits.. Nor, even considering them in conjunction with other documents Hart turned over to Crawford at the UST’s office, were they adequate to meet the burden imposed on Hart under § 727(a)(3) and the case law noted above.59 The problems with Hart’s failure to keep, and consequently a lack of, records were patent. *38So, too, was the futility of Hart’s post facto attempt to create records. This was—or should have been—obvious to Hart.60
Under the precedent construing § 727(a)(3), the burden shifted to Hart to justify the failure to keep or preserve adequate records.
a. Sophistication and reasonable reliance
In attempting to meet that burden, Hart asserts that he relied in part on “advice” he received from Green, an acquaintance and a lawyer (though not one licensed in Idaho), that the trust need not keep records. Hart paints himself as relatively unsophisticated, and asserts that such reliance was reasonable under the totality of the circumstances. The argument does not hold.
Hart is well educated. He not only acquired a college degree and became a licensed engineer, he also obtained a MBA from one of the nation’s premier business schools. His career was and is in engineering, a technical and demanding, detail-oriented field.61 He is also a self-professed expert in federal tax law, having studied extensively at the Library of Congress and having read numerous legal decisions, all in his development and publication of a 400+ page book on the subject. He was elected to the Idaho House of Representatives and served on several committees including those dealing with revenue and taxation, judiciary and rules, state affairs and transportation. And Hart generally appeared thoughtful on the witness stand. He clearly appreciated the context, even nuance, of certain questions, and answered many of them carefully.62
In light of this and the balance of the record, Hart’s claimed lack of sufficient sophistication to appreciate the need for record keeping is not persuasive.
Hart also contends that it was reasonable for him to rely on Ortega, Estrada, the Ormeshers, and Green in creating the trusts and seeing that they were properly established and administered.63 But, recall, he had contributed his single most valuable asset to the trusts. He claims to have done so in order to protect and provide for his daughter. The circumstances would indicate that Hart would (and the evidence reflects that he could) ensure that it was done legally and correctly, and that the trusts would be established, documented and operated in such a way as to guarantee they were legitimate and served that *39intended and specifically expressed goal.64 He did not do so.
The alleged reliance on these other individuals was not shown to be reasonable. Hart kept no trust records. Nothing in the evidence establishes any reasonable reliance on the “trustees” to keep records. In fact, none of the putative trustees were shown to have ever taken their role or responsibility seriously, and none effectively performed any services whatsoever. In “managing” the Property on a daily basis, Hart was aware of that vacuum.
In short, the Court concludes Hart failed to credibly show a lack of sophistication, or a reliance on others, adequate to justify his failure to keep and preserve records.65
b. Loss of records
There is a potential defense to a § 727(a)(3) action where a debtor can show an intervening catastrophic event in which records were lost or destroyed. But there are limitations on that defense.
In U.S. Trustee v. Kandel (In re Kandel), 2015 WL 1207014, *9-13 (Bankr. N.D. Ohio Mar. 13, 2015), the debtor offered several justifications for his lack of records, including lack of sophistication; a combination of roof collapse, flood and computer virus destroying his records; and a reliance on others to maintain the records. The court found the justifications unpersuasive both because there was an absence of supporting evidence and also due to a lack of credibility. As to the catastrophic loss, the debtor failed to produce any corroborating evidence. Id. at *12. The attempted defense was therefore unavailing.66
Similarly, in Tow v. Henley (In re Henley), 480 B.R. 708 (Bankr. S.D. Tex. 2012), the debtors responded to the trustee’s pri-ma facie case under § 727(a)(3) by arguing a significant portion of their records were lost in a move from Hot Springs, Arkansas, to Houston, Texas. The court held, however, that “[t]o be excusable, the loss of books and records must be outside the debtor’s control.” Id. at 783 (citing Fid. & Guar. Life Ins. Co. v. Fioravante Settembre (In re Settembre), 425 B.R. 423, 434 (Bankr. W.D. Ky. 2010) (holding that “inexcusably lost records do not provide a defense to [a] § 727(a)(3) count.”). Those debtors failed to show that their records were destroyed or lost due to some event beyond their control, like a theft, or a fire, flood, hurricane or other Act of God. The debtors, in arguing the records were lost during the move, “adduced no credible testimony that the loss of their records was beyond their control.” The defense was based on the testimony of one of the debtors. The court found a lack of credibility “renders her statement to be the equivalent of the ‘dog ate my homework’ excuse” and that “the fault for the loss of the *40records belongs entirely to the Debtors.” Id. at 783.
Here, Hart said that there “may have been” copies of trust documents or other records, but they were lost in two successive “chaotic” office moves. He testified that, during a legislative session when he was in Boise, he was advised he had to vacate his Coeur d’Alene leased office building in about three weeks. Hart had people working for him in Coeur d’Alene, and he tasked them with finding a new office to lease. He said the landlord’s employees started “cannibalizing” the fixtures in the office, and tore down an adjacent garage. When Hart returned that weekend, he found his office unlocked and some of his property (though not explicitly records) outside in the snow. He stated “I couldn’t even lock the door for a couple of weeks and I think in the chaos of that move, maybe the trust document disappeared.” 67 Hart recounted a similar series of events the next year when he was renting an office condo. Once again receiving notice he would have to relocate, he had the people working at his engineering office move his property. It, too, somehow led to an alleged loss of records.68
Even accounting for the need to run his engineering office and business remotely during the roughly four month Idaho legislative session, and only being able to return on weekends, Hart was éertainly aware of the need for protecting his business and personal records. Recall, Hart’s problems with the IRS started with the contests over his 1994-1996 taxes. The initial tax court litigation ended with the Supreme Court’s denial of certiorari in 2003. In addition to the knowledge he gained in his prior battles with the IRS about the importance of his records, he was further reminded of it. His legislative pay was garnished in 2005. IRS liens, including those naming the SEH Trust as nominee, were-filed in 2008. The District Court Case was commenced in 2011. At whatever point during Hart’s legislative service when the documents were allegedly “lost” in some sort of rented office move, Hart was critically aware of the need to preserve and protect competent and appropriate business, trust and financial records. Taking care of that need was within his power and control.
Hart failed to establish that the absence of records was due to a catastrophic or similar event outside of his control. The testimony about the loss of Hart’s records was vague and lacked reliable detail or confirmation. His explanation was not persuasive.
The UST established that Hart failed to maintain and preserve adequate records, and that this failure makes it impossible to ascertain Hart’s financial condition and material business transactions. Under- Ca-nevá and the other authorities, this prima facie showing shifted the burden of proof to Hart to justify the inadequacy or nonexistence of the records. 550 F.3d at 761. Hart did not do so. The action under § 727(a)(3) is well taken, and Hart’s discharge will be denied oh that basis.
B. Section 727(a)(2)(A)
The Code states in pertinent part:
*41(a) The court shall grant the debtor a discharge, unless—
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(2) the debtor, with intent to hinder, delay, or defraud a creditor or an officer of the estate charged with custody of property under this title, has transferred, removed, destroyed, mutilated, or concealed, or has permitted to be transferred, removed, destroyed, mutilated, or concealed—
(A) property of the debtor, within one year before the date of the filing of the petition[.]
Section 727(a)(2)(A).
In objecting to discharge under § 727(a)(2)(A), the UST is required to establish that Hart, with intent to hinder, delay or defraud a creditor or an officer of the estate (i.e., bankruptcy trustee), transferred, removed, destroyed or concealed property within one year before the date of the filing of the petition. See Retz v. Samson (In re Retz), 606 F.3d 1189, 1200 (9th Cir. 2010) (citing Hughes v. Lawson (In re Lawson), 122 F.3d 1237, 1240 (9th Cir. 1997)). The debtor’s intent need not be “fraudulent” to satisfy the statute because the Code’s language is in the disjunctive, thus an intent to hinder or delay a creditor is sufficient. Id. (citing Bernard v. Sheaffer (In re Bernard), 96 F.3d 1279, 1281 (9th Cir. 1996)).69
Here, the transfers of the Sarah Loop Property into the WPV Trust and then the SEH Trust occurred well over a year prior to the petition date in Hart III. But the UST argues that Hart thereafter concealed not only the true facts regarding the transfer but, critically, also concealed his continuing secret interest in the property, with requisite intent, and that such concealment occurred during the one year statutory period.
1. Hart’s “relevance” objection
At trial, Hart objected to the admission of evidence of acts or conduct occurring more than one year before the petition date in Hart III on relevance grounds. Hart argues that the Code’s language limits the inquiry to acts occurring within the one year pre-filing period, thus rendering irrelevant anything preceding that period. After so objecting with regularity, Hart’s counsel was allowed a continuing objection on this point, to be resolved in this post-trial Decision.
Hart relies primarily on language from Rosen v. Bezner, 996 F.2d 1527 (3rd Cir. 1993). In particular, Hart points to a statement that “Congress intended this penalty [denial of discharge under § 727(a)(2)(A) ] to apply only where there is proof that the debtor intentionally did something improper during the year before bankruptcy; improper conduct before the one year period is forgiven.” Id. at 1534 (emphasis by Hart).
Initially, the Court observes that Hart has failed to establish that this language has been construed to bar, on relevance grounds, proof.of facts occurring prior to the year preceding bankruptcy. Further, Hart erroneously truncates, and then overemphasizes, the quoted language. The relevant portion of the Rosen decision more fully states:
*42We will therefore remand to the bankruptcy court for a factual determination not only as to whether Rosen retained a secret interest during the relevant period, but also as to whether any such concealment was accompanied by an actual intent to hinder or defraud creditors. In making the determination regarding subjective intent, the court should consider Rosen’s own testimony regarding his state of mind as well as the surrounding circumstantial evidence of intent. See, e.g., In re Kauffman, 675 F.2d 127, 128 (7th Cir. 1981) (“Intent, however, ‘must be gleaned from inferences drawn from a course of conduct.’”) (quoting In re Vecchione, 407 F.Supp. 609, 615 (E.D.N.Y.1976)).
In conclusion, we again note that § 727 is to be construed liberally in favor of the debtor and that a total bar to discharge is an extreme penalty. From the statutory language, it is clear that Congress intended this penalty to apply only where there is proof that the debt- or intentionally did something improper during the year before bankruptcy; improper conduct before the one year period is forgiven. Here, even if the debtor did transfer property with an intent to hinder or defraud creditors prior to the one year period, it may be that he retained no interest in the property after the transfer or, even if he did, that he did not believe that he retained an interest which would be reachable by creditors who became aware of it.
Id. at 1534 (footnote omitted). That footnote states:
Were we to accept the position advocated by the trustee and adopted by the courts below that an intent to hinder creditors present at the time .of the initial transfer automatically suffices to meet the requirement of an improper intent during the year before bankruptcy, then the one year limitation in § 727(a) would be rendered meaningless in a great many cases.
Id. at 1534 n.8.
The decision in Rosen is obviously not as rigidly cabined as Hart contends. Of significance is that court’s remand to the trial court to determine if the debtor “retained a secret interest during the relevant [one-year] period” and “whether any such concealment [in that one-year period] was accompanied by an actual intent to hinder or defraud creditors.” Rosen also explained:
Section 727 provides an exception to the general rule that a court must grant a debtor his discharge; that exception consists of two components: an act (i.e., a transfer or a concealment of property) and an improper intent (i.e., a subjective intent to hinder, delay, or defraud a creditor). The party seeking to bar discharge must prove that both of these components were present during the one year period before bankruptcy; anything occurring before that one year period is forgiven. In this case, it is undisputed that Rosen’s transfer of the residence occurred more than a year before discharge [sic]. Thus, the summary judgment denying a discharge in this case can only be sustained if the un-contradicted evidence demonstrates that Rosen concealed property from his creditors, with the requisite intent, during the year before bankruptcy.
Under the “continuing concealment” doctrine, a concealment will be found to exist during the year before bankruptcy even if the initial act of concealment took place before this one year period as long as the debtor allowed the property to remain concealed into the critical year. See In re Olivier, 819 F.2d 550, 555 (5th Cir. 1987) (discussing “the well-settled doctrine that ... the concealment of an asset that continues, *43with the requisite intent, into the year before bankruptcy constitutes a form of concealment which occurs within the year before bankruptcy”). This doctrine does not negate the “act” requirement of § 727 but merely recognizes that a failure to reveal property previously concealed can, in some circumstances, properly be considered culpable conduct during the year before bankruptcy warranting a denial of discharge.
Id. at 1531. The court went on to distinguish between concealment of an interest in property (which is actionable if that concealment occurs, with proscribed intent, within the year preceding bankruptcy) and the concealment of a transfer, and to address the question of whether the subjective intent within the statutory period was established for purposes of summary judgment. Id. at 1531-34.
In the Ninth Circuit, the doctrine of continuing concealment of an interest in transferred property is well accepted. The Bankruptcy Appellate Panel in DeNoce v. Neff (In re Neff), 505 B.R. 255 (9th Cir. BAP 2014), following Lawson, 122 F.3d 1237, explained that:
[u]nder this doctrine, discharge can be denied under § .727(a)(2)(A), even though the subject transfer occurred more than one year before the debtor filed bankruptcy, if the debtor allowed his or her interest in the property to remain concealed into the year preceding the bankruptcy filing. In re Lawson, 122 F.3d at 1240. “Concealment” in this sense focuses on the debtor’s intent to conceal' any “interest” in the transferred property into the year before the bankruptcy filing, not whether the debtor intended to conceal “the transfer.” Id.
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[The doctrine] applies only when the offending conduct—debtor’s intentional concealment of an interest in transferred property—has been ongoing into the year prior to the debtor’s bankruptcy filing.
505 B.R. at 267-68. Lawson also explained that “a transfer made and recorded more than one year prior to filing may serve as evidence of the requisite act of concealment where the debtor retains a secret benefit of ownership in the transferred property within the year prior to filing.” 122 F.3d at 1241. There, in discussing In re Olivier, 819 F.2d 550 (5th Cir. 1987), the Court of Appeals stated:
In Olivier, debtor spouses—when faced with liability in a serious personal injury lawsuit—transferred title in their home to the wife’s mother and properly recorded the transfer seven years prior to filing their petition. Id. at 551. Debtors continued to live in and maintain the property up to filing their petition. The bankruptcy court found that the debtors retained a secret beneficial interest in the legally-transferred property and therefore that they continued to conceal the property interest from creditors within the year prior to the filing of the petition. Id. at 553. The bankruptcy court reasoned that, where evidence demonstrates that the debtor retained a secret interest that could be realized by her creditors, despite an ostensible transfer of property, such a sham transaction suffices to deny her a discharge. Id. at 555.
The logic and rationale behind the “continuing concealment” doctrine as explained in Olivier is compelling; we therefore adopt the doctrine as the law of the Ninth Circuit. See also Rosen, 996 F.2d 1527 (3d Cir. 1993) (adopting doctrine of continuing concealment); In re Kauffman, 675 F.2d 127 (7th Cir. 1981) (same).
Lawson, 122 F.3d at 1241.
In the present case, there was a transfer. It first occurred when the deeds to the *44Property from Hart to the WPV Trust were recorded in August 1997. Exs. 46, 49. The issue is whether Hart retained a secret beneficial interest in the Property notwithstanding that transfer. Thus the facts surrounding the transfer, and Hart’s actions regarding the trusts and the Property from that transfer up to the time of the petition’s filing Hart III are relevant to the Court’s determination of continuing concealment, with intent, of an interest in the property within ■ that final pre-filing year.70 The Court concludes Hart’s “relevance” objection is not well taken and it is overruled.
2. Preclusion
Hart also argues that this Court’s ruling on the objection of the chapter 7 trustee to the homestead exemption in Hart III should be preclusive of the UST’s claims that Hart concealed his interest in the Property within the year preceding bankruptcy for purposes of § 727(a)(2)(A). Hart’s pre-trial brief, Adv. Doc. No. 103, invoked the doctrine of res judicata.71
The Court finds that this doctrine does not apply. It has previously explained:
The Ninth Circuit has framed the two basic preclusion concepts—claim preclusion and issue preclusion—as follows:
Generally, the preclusive effect of a former adjudication is referred to as ‘res judicata.’ The doctrine of res judi-cata includes two distinct types of preclusion, claim preclusion and issue preclusion. Claim preclusion treats a judgment, once rendered, as the full measure of relief to be accorded between the. same parties on the same claim or cause of action. Claim preclusion prevents litigation of all grounds for, or defenses to, recovery that were previously available to the parties, regardless of whether they were asserted or determined in the prior proceeding.
Cogliano v. Anderson (In re Cogliano), 355 B.R. 792, 802 (9th Cir. BAP 2006) (citing Robi v. Five Platters, Inc., 838 F.2d 318, 321-22 (9th Cir.1988)). Issue preclusion, in contrast, “[Prevents relit-*45igation of all ‘issues of fact or law that were actually litigated and necessarily decided’ in a prior proceeding.... The issue must have been ‘actually decided’ after a ‘full and fair opportunity’ for litigation.” Id. at 802 (citing Robi, 838 F.2d at 322).
Wisdom v. Gugino (In re Wisdom), 2016 WL 1039694, at *16 (Bankr. D. Idaho Mar. 15, 2016).
Because the allegedly preclüsive decision was issued by a federal court (i.e., this Court), federal preclusion law applies. Id. at *17. Issue preclusion has six elements that must be satisfied. The five threshold requirements are (1) identical issue; (2) actually litigated in the prior proceeding; (3) necessarily decided in that proceeding; (4) the former decision is final and on the merits; and (5) the party against whom preclusion is sought is either the same, or in privity with, the party in the prior proceeding. The sixth element is a mandatory additional inquiry as' to whether imposition of preclusion in the particular setting would be fair and consistent with public policy. Id. at *16-17 (citing Cogliano, 355 B.R. at 802-03 (citing Khaligh v. Hadaegh (In re Khaligh), 338 B.R. 817, 824-25 (9th Cir. BAP 2006)); see also Paulo v. Holder, 669 F.3d 911, 917 (9th Cir. 2011).
The primary issue implicated in the present case is whether the chapter 7 trustee and the UST are in privity with one another. A person who is not a party to the prior action (a “non-party”) generally has not had the full and fair opportunity to litigate the issues settled there and as a general rule will not be bound by a judgment to which he was not a party. In Taylor v. Sturgell, 553 U.S. 880, 128 S.Ct. 2161, 171 L.Ed.2d 155 (2008), the United States Supreme Court noted that “nonparty preclusion” can be predicated on several factors, including a pre-existing “substantive legal relationship” between the party to be bound and the party to the underlying judgment or, in certain limited circumstances, a party might be bound because it was adequately represented by someone with the “same interests” in the prior suit. 553 U.S. at 894, 128 S.Ct. 2161.
Hart contends that because the UST establishes, maintains and supervises a panel of private trustees under 28 U.S.C. § 586(a)(1), supervises the administration of cases and trustees under 28 U.S.C. § 586(a)(3), and appoints an interim trustee in each chapter 7 case under § 701(a) of the Code, it is in privity. The argument does not hold.
Taylor noted that privity is a factual issue that requires a case by case finding. Id. at 899, 128 S.Ct. 2161. It held that “[a] party’s representation of a nonparty is ‘adequate’ for preclusion purposes only if, at a minimum: (1) The interest of the nonparty and her representative are aligned ... and (2) either the party understood herself to be acting in a representative capacity or the original court took care to protect the interests of the nonparty.” Id. at 900, 128 S.Ct. 2161. Both factors are required.
The UST is a part of the Department of Justice. The chapter 7 trustee is a private individual. That the UST reviews, “supervises” and can audit or even remove trustees does not make them the same party, nor—importantly— does it suggest the UST directs or controls the litigation decisions or conduct of trustees. A trustee makes an independent decision to bring a motion, objection or other action and, once brought, the trustee decides how to present or try that issue.
The chapter 7 trustee, Munding, filed an objection to an amended exemption claim, which could result in increasing assets for the distribution to creditors. He was not seeking to deny discharge, nor to recover *46property through transfer avoidance.72 The UST, on the other hand, is pursuing an adversary proceeding objecting to discharge under § 727(a). While there was, in terms often used in preclusion analysis, a “transactional nexus” because issues revolved around the Property, the legal nature and goals of the litigation were not identical.73
Hart notes that counsel for the UST “listened” to the Court’s oral ruling on the exemption issue. That is clearly established by the record. What is not established is Hart’s conjecture that doing so was “presumably in [the UST’s] supervisory capacity.” Adv. Doc. No. 119 at 39. And, even if the UST decided to listen in order to evaluate trustee’s performance in the case, that would not limit the UST’s ability—as a separate party—to seek a denial of discharge.
“Parallel legal interests alone, identical or otherwise, are not sufficient to establish privity.” Headwaters, Inc. v. U.S. Forest Serv., 399 F.3d 1047, 1054 (9th Cir. 2005). That both Munding in the objection and the UST in the later trial focused on Hart’s conduct and disclosures in filing the serial bankruptcies does not make either the agent of the other or render them in privity.74
More recently, in United States v. Wanland, 830 F.3d 947 (9th Cir. 2016), the Ninth Circuit considered a defendant’s res judicata argument concerning the government’s prosecution of him for tax related charges, including tax evasion, where his debts had been discharged in bankruptcy.75 In affirming a lack of privity, the Circuit noted that “Courts have not assumed that all federal agencies are in privity for res judicata purposes, and instead look to the substance of claims.” Id. at 956. It concluded that “the IRS in a bankruptcy action and the United States government in a criminal action are not in privity.” Id. at 957.
Applying these principles, the Court finds that Hart’s chapter 7 trustee, seeking to deny an exemption and thus free the value of an asset for distribution to credi*47tors, and the United States Trustee, here seeking to enforce a limitation on a debt- or’s right to discharge of all debts, are not in privity. Additionally, there is not an identity of claims between the two actions.76
Therefore, the Court concludes that the § 727(a)(2)(A) action is not barred by claim or issue preclusion.
3. Merits
In Lawson, a creditor recovered judgment against the debtor and, on the same day, the debtor recorded a deed of trust on her residence in favor of her mother. The debtor also later borrowed funds from a third party (Elsam Company) secured by the residence, and debtor’s mother subordinated her deed of trust to that of this new lender. More than a year after these events, the debtor filed a chapter 7 petition. The bankruptcy court focused on the debtor’s ability to use the property as collateral and obtain a loan, and to have her mother subordinate to that loan, as evidence that the transfer to the mother was a sham with debtor retaining a secret benefit, ie., the use and control of the property. The bankruptcy court denied discharge, and the BAP affirmed. 122 F.3d at 1239-40.77
As noted, the Ninth Circuit found the reasoning in Olivier and the articulation of the continuing concealment doctrine compelling, and it found that Lawson was factually “virtually indistinguishable.” “In both cases, debtors transferred property to their mothers in order to avoid paying creditors’ judgments from state lawsuits. In both cases, the debtors retained an interest in the property. In Olivier, the interest was continuing to live in and maintain the house. In the instant case, the interest is continuing to live in the house and subordinating her mother’s deed of trust in order to obtain the ... loan.” Id. at 1241. The court also rejected Lawson’s contention that there was no continuing concealment, in part because “Lawson continued to live in the Edgemar residence, thereby retaining a controlling interest in the property.” Id. at 1241 n.3.
Here, the transfer (via deed) was well outside the one-year period of § 727(a)(2)(A). However, the evidence establishes that Hart retained virtually all the interests of an owner of the real property, including, as in Olivier and Lawson, the uninterrupted possession of and right to live in the Property. Hart dealt with the Property as his own, and without any regard to the burdens associated with a trust as titled owner. It was Hart, not any one of the so-called “trustees,” who handled everything involving the Property. Other than the title record, nothing regarding the Property, or Hart’s sole and exclusive control and use of the Property, changed after the deeds to the WPV Trust or subsequently the SEH Trust. The putative *48ownership and control of the Property by these trusts and their titular “trustees” was a sham. The Court finds that, notwithstanding the recorded deeds, Hart main--tained a secret and concealed interest in the Property within the sense and contemplation of the Ninth Circuit case law.
The next question, then, is whether the concealment of that interest continued during the one year preceding the filing of the petition in Hart III on January 13, 2013, with the requisite intent. As the Ninth Circuit BAP recognized in Cooke v. Renshaw (In re Cooke), 2016 WL 4039699 (9th Cir. BAP July 22, 2016), an “intent to hinder or delay ‘is a question of fact that requires the trier of fact to delve into the mind of the debtor and may be inferred from surrounding circumstances.’” Id. at *6 (quoting In re Searles, 317 B.R. 368, 379 (9th Cir BAP 2004)).78 Moreover, “debtor’s ‘course of conduct may be probative of the question.’ ” Id.
All acts from January 13, 2012, through January 13, 2013, are clearly relevant under § 727(a)(2)(A).79 During this period, Hart prepared a worksheet for McFarland to use in preparing the schedules and statements for Hart I, which was filed on May 29, 2012. In that worksheet, Hart expressly stated that it was “unknown who owns the residence.” Ex. 212 at 4. That was patently false. Hart knew that the residence was, by deed, titled in the name of the SEH Trust, and that he had been the one who initiated the idea of the trust, and commenced, the original transfer of title with the initial deed to the WPV Trust. And, if Hart’s worksheet answer was meant, to convey that some question existed about ownership, given the pending issues between Hart and the IRS over the bona fides of the SEH Trust and the transfer of the Property to it, he cértainly did not make that issue or situation clear to his attorney. As McFarland testified, if he had been given such information, there would have been additional inquiry and disclosure. -
Moreover, Hart also knew that the IRS and Lafferty had on May 2, 2012, entered into a stipulation in the District Court Case, Ex. 84, that would set aside the transfer of the Property to the Trust. Still, he executed the petition, schedules and statements and they were filed May 29, 2012. The disclosure in schedule A was materially incomplete, and Hart knew it. So, too, was the answer to the question in the SOFA about third party property in Hart’s possession. Hart never disclosed his holding of the “rent” money in the desk drawer that he contended belonged to the SEH Trust. Nor did he disclose his possession of the Property under a right to “rent” and live on the Property until Sarah turned. 45 or until Hart passed away.80
*49At the § 341(a) meeting in Hart I, Hart refused to answer direct questions posed by the IRS as to the Property and his related financial affairs, and many of those posed by the attorney for the trustee. Ex. 216. That examination occurred on July 13, 2012, well after the May 2, 2012 stipulation in the District Court Case, yet Hart continued to obfuscate and evade acknowledging an interest in the Property. Hart’s conduct reflects an active and actual subjective intent and design to conceal from creditors (and from the bankruptcy trustees for such creditors) his interests in the Property.81
Therefore, the Court finds and concludes Hart concealed his secret interest in the Property within the year preceding the subject bankruptcy petition, and did so with the actual intent to hinder creditors. The UST established by a preponderance of the evidence that Hart’s discharge should be denied under § 727(a)(2)(A).
C. Section 727(a)(4)(A)
The UST also seeks denial of discharge under § 727(a)(4)(A). That section operates to deny a discharge to a debtor who “knowingly and fraudulently” makes a false oath or account in the course of a bankruptcy case. “The fundamental purpose of § -727(a)(4)(A) is to insure that the trustee and creditors have accurate information without having to conduct costly investigations.” Fogal Legware of Switz., Inc. v. Wills (In re Wills), 243 B.R. 58, 63 (9th Cir. BAP 1999) (citing Aubrey v. Thomas (In re Aubrey), 111 B.R. 268, 274 (9th Cir. BAP 1990)).82
1. Elements
To prevail, the UST must show by a preponderance of the evidence that: “(1) the debtor made a false oath in connection with the case; (2) the oath related to a material fact; (3) the oath was made knowingly; and (4) the oath was made fraudulently.” Retz, 606 F.3d at 1197 (quoting Roberts v. Erhard (In re Roberts), 331 B.R. 876, 882 (9th Cir. BAP 2005)).
“A false statement or an omission in the debtor’s bankruptcy schedules or statement of financial affairs can constitute a false oath.” In re Retz, 606 F.3d at 1196 (quoting Khalil v. Developers Sur. & Indem. Co. (In re Khalil), 379 B.R. 163, 172 (9th Cir. BAP 2007), aff'd 578 F.3d 1167, 1168 (9th Cir. 2009) (adopting the BAP’s statement of applicable law)). “A fact is material if it bears a. relationship to the debtor’s business transactions or es*50tate, or concerns the discovery of assets, business dealings, or the existence and disposition of the debtor’s property. An omission or misstatement that detrimentally affects administration of the estate is material.” Retz, 606 F.3d at 1198 (quoting Khalil, 379 B.R. at 173, and Wills, 243 B.R. at 63). “The recalcitrant debtor may not escape a section 727(a)(4)(A) denial of discharge by asserting that the admittedly omitted or falsely stated information concerned a worthless relationship or holding; such a defense is specious.” Vanschoiack, 356 B.R. at 64 (quoting Chalik v. Moorefield (In re Chalik), 748 F.2d 616, 618 (11th Cir. 1984)). And, “[t]he asset’s value need not be ‘material,’ nor must a debtor ‘succeed in harming creditors to warrant denial of discharge.’ ” Id. (citing Bernard, 96 F.3d at 1281-82). See also Wills, 243 B.R. at 63 (“A false statement or omission may be material even if it does not cause direct financial prejudice to creditors.”).
Section 727(a)(4)(A) requires a false oath be made knowingly. A debtor acts knowingly in making a false oath “if he or she acts deliberately and consciously.” Retz, 606 F.3d at 1198 (quoting Roberts, 331 B.R. at 883-84). The Court must also find that the false oath was made fraudulently. Id. To demonstrate fraudulent intent, the UST must show that the false oath was made with the intention and purpose of deceiving the creditors or trustee—that is, the UST must show actual intent. Id. at 1198-99. Actual fraudulent intent is usually proven by circumstantial evidence, including inferences drawn from a debtor’s conduct. Id.
Generally, a debtor who acts in reliance on the advice of his attorney lacks the intent required to deny him a discharge of his debts. First Beverly Bank v. Adeeb (In re Adeeb), 787 F.2d 1339, 1343 (9th Cir. 1986) (citing Hultman v. Tevis, 82 F.2d 940, 941 (9th Cir. 1936); In re Nerone, 1 B.R. 658, 660 (Bankr. S.D.N.Y. 1979)). However, the debtor’s reliance must be in good faith. See Retz, 606 F.3d at 1199 (“The advice of counsel is not a defense when the erroneous information should have been evident to the debtor.”). Reliance on counsel is not effective if the debtor has sufficient reason to know that the disclosures are inaccurate in addition to being incomplete. Debtors are obligated to review their schedules and statements before verifying them as being true and correct to the best of their knowledge and belief. They have the opportunity to see how the assets and information they disclose to counsel are characterized, and are obligated to correct errors, misstatements or omissions.
2. Application
The UST premises this cause of action on Hart’s failure to disclose the tractor in his initial Hart III schedule B or, alternatively, if he believed it to be owned by the Trust, by his failure to disclose his possession of that property in his SOFA.83
Hart personally purchased the tractor in 1996 for $6,500.84 He testified that he then transferred it to the SEH Trust. There is no proven documentation regarding that transfer. And Hart did not disclose the tractor as a transferred asset in the CIS.
*51Hart did not disclose the tractor in any regard in Hart I or Hart II. The Court has already found that Hart personally used and controlled the tractor throughout the entire time he had it, and that no trustee of the SEH Trust was ever involved.
Material here, Hart did not disclose the tractor in his Hart III schedules as his own nor, given his assertion of trust ownership, did he disclose his possession of this property of a third party in the Hart III SOFA. He maintained his position of SEH Trust ownership until he filed an amended schedule B in May 2013, some four months after the Hart III petition date, disclosing the tractor as his own and worth $3,000. Ex. 138. When asked about that change, he stated that it was a “point of contention” and he “didn’t want to argue over it[.]”85 Of course, it had been a point of contention long before that, and had been raised in questioning.86
Hart suggests that the tractor was not a “material” omission. He notes Munding’s testimony that, after expenses of sale, the tractor would not in his opinion as trustee provide a net amount sufficient to make a meaningful distribution to creditors.87 However, Munding’s analysis is not controlling, or dispositive of materiality. Materiality under § 727(a)(4)(A) is not dependent on the value of the asset or its ability to generate a sizeable distribution to creditors. Materiality exists if it bears a relationship to the debtor’s business transactions or estate or concerns his assets, business dealings or the existence or disposition of property. Retz, 606 F.3d at 1198.
Hart also argues that his failure to disclose the tractor was not “knowing” and “fraudulent.” He explains that when preparing schedules for Hart I, he just overlooked the tractor because, at that time, it 'was being used by Mosqueda.88 The UST notes, however, the inconsistency in Hart’s ability to make detailed disclosure and valuation of some de minimis assets in the material he gave to McFarland, see Ex. 211, and his disclosure, as property belonging to another, of a $75 table saw owned by one individual and some personal property owned by Sarah, see Ex. 212.
Hart suggests that error was carried over when Stevens used the first bankruptcy’s schedules and statements to prepare those in Hart II and, then, in Hart III. However, as just noted, in the examinations at the § 341(a) meetings in Hart I and Hart II, Hart was questioned about the tractor by IRS’ counsel and the trustee. Thus, even if the argument is accepted that the tractor was initially just overlooked in Hart I, the matter was brought back to mind.
Whatever errors may have been made by Stevens in perpetuating the disclosures in Hart I (disclosures that were, of course, premised directly on what Hart did or did not tell McFarland in that case), do not insulate Hart. The tractor was an issue clearly implicated and known to Hart before he was required to review and verify the schedules in Hart III. Reliance on counsel is no defense where a debtor is aware of the omission or inaccurate statement. Even if Stevens did a poor job in relying on documents from the prior cases, that does not excuse Hart’s verifying the incomplete disclosures.
*52And, the Court finds that this was not simply a matter of Hart “overlooking” the disclosure of the tractor when filing his third sequential bankruptcy. He had to claim the tractor as either his own or as the trust’s but in his possession. By failing to address it in either fashion, and omitting any mention of it, the Court concludes Hart acted knowingly, i e., deliberately and consciously. The Court also concludes that the omission was made fraudulently, ie., with the intention and purpose of deceiving creditors.
The UST has therefore proven by a preponderance of the evidence its cause of action under § 727(a)(4)(A).
CONCLUSION
Upon the foregoing findings and conclusions, Debtor’s discharge will be denied under § 727(a)(2)(A), § 727(a)(3) and § 727(a)(4)(A). The UST may submit a form of judgment consistent with this Decision.
. Unless otherwise indicated, statutory references are to the Bankruptcy Code, 11 U.S.C. §§ 101-1532, and rule references are to the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure.
. See Ex. 95 ([Proposed] Stipulated Judgment Pursuant to Settlement Agreement, filed December 19, 2014), and Ex. 97 (Stipulated Judgment Pursuant to Settlement Agreement, entered and filed Jan. 5, 2015) (both referencing June 2014 settlement documents).
. The parties’ agreement also provided that the real property in which Hart resided, discussed extensively infra, could be sold upon entry of an order of the District Court.
. Notwithstanding the settlement and judgment, the consolidated nature of these adversary proceedings was never altered. Thus, the record regarding the instant trial is in the docket of Adv. Case No. 13-07016-TLM, and a combined caption is used on this Decision.
. Adv. Doc. Nos. 110-112. There were 134 exhibits admitted, which included several depositions and transcripts of § 341(a) meetings. The trial transcript, Adv. Doc. No. 113 (hereafter "Tr.”), runs over 500 pages.
. That briefing totaled 233 pages. Adv. Doc. Nos. 115, 119, 123.
. Hart formed AEG, LLC in 2009 as a single member Idaho limited liability company, and conducts, through AEG, his professional engineering business under the name Alpine Engineering.
. The Court has carefully considered Hart’s credibility, as well as the weight to be given his testimony, even where such matters are not highlighted in this Decision. The same is true regarding the other nine witnesses who testified at trial. See Beauchamp v. Hoose (In re Beauchamp), 236 B.R. 727, 731 (9th Cir. BAP 1999) ("the bankruptcy judge was entitled, and is indeed enjoined, to evaluate the credibility of witnesses and to determine whether or not he believed their testimony”), aff'd mem. 5 Fed.Appx. 743 (9th Cir. 2001); see also Gugino v. Clark (In re Clark), 548 B.R. 246, 257 (9th Cir. BAP 2016) (citing Beau-champ ).
. Hart testified that, among his several disputes with the IRS, his claimed business expense deductions incurred in researching, preparing and publishing his book were disallowed, resulting in assessment of what he believed to be excessive tax liabilities.
. See, e.g., "Constitutional Income,” Ex. 36 at 425-28 (table of cases).
. Exs. 34, 35.
. See Ex. 27 (Tax Court decision), Ex. 28 (decision in Hart v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 14 Fed.Appx. 990 (9th Cir. 2001) (also reported at 14 Fed.Appx. 990) (affirming Tax Court decision, and granting the IRS' request for sanctions given an appeal that was “wholly without merit”).
. Ex. 29. His signature appears twice, with dates of Nov. 18, 2003 and Sept. 16, 2004.
. A "collection information statement” (IRS Form 433A) "discloses an individual’s income, expenses, assets, accounts, and liabilities so the IRS can assess an individual’s ability to pay outstanding taxes.” United States v. Wanland, 830 F.3d 947, 950 (9th Cir. 2016).
. The initial warranty deed to Hart was recorded on October 26, 1995, but another warranty deed was recorded on January 12, 1996, to correct the legal description. Exs. 42, 43.
. Hart testified that construction was self-financed, and that there were never loans secured by the property with the exception of the $30,000 purchase price for the raw land, which debt was paid off within a few years.
. Estrada’s deposition testimony, Ex. 225, was admitted in lieu of live testimony. It reflects she and Ortega operated a business in San Diego providing people with trusts, corporate documents and other similar materials.
. Hart indicated he had heard generally of "children's trusts” or "children’s irrevocable trusts” and that this knowledge motivated him, but those details were not clearly explained.
. Sarah was 27 at the time of the trial.
. Ex. 44 ("White Peak Ventures[,] An Irrevocable Contract in Trust Form at Law[,] Declaration of Trust”). This document asserts it is "In Full Force and Effect Under Trust Dated Jan. 1, 1996.” Estrada could not explain the document’s reference to a date that was over a year and a half earlier. Ex. 225 at 38-39. Estrada also testified that she did not create or draft this document. Rather, it was something provided to her and Ortega in 1994 by a Pennsylvania attorney, and they simply used it as a form.
. Tr. at 365.
. Hart’s “loss” of records due to relocation of his business is addressed infra.
. Estrada explained that a protector "is charged with the responsibility of assuring that the trustee acts in accordance [with the trust] to the benefit of the beneficiaries.” Ex. 225 at 22. But she never knew who the beneficiaries of the trust were. Id. at 26.
. Estrada indicated that Breno was an acquaintance of Ortega’s. Breno’s role in the transaction, beyond whatever the $21.00 was meant to signify, is unclear.
. Ex. 46. Hart later executed and caused to be recorded another such deed to correct the legal description. See Ex. 49 (dated and recorded August 25, 1997).
. Gordon Ormesher's deposition, Ex. 230, was admitted in lieu of live testimony. He stated that he came to know Hart in the mid-1990’s in connection with a group known as the "Citizens for Constitutional Government.” Id. at 12.
. Ex. 230 at 19, 24.
. Ex. 230 at 24, 29. Despite Gordon’s testimony, the record in Hart’s bankruptcy case contains a declaration, see Case No. 13-20039-TLM, Doc. No. 121, executed by Gordon speaking to his creation of the SEH Trust, and asserting that it was executed by him as "Creator,” by Hart as "Settlor," and by Jeffrey as "Founding Trustee." Exhibit 155, a copy of that declaration, was not admitted at trial. However, the Court takes judicial notice of its files and records, see Fed. R. Evid. 201,
.Though testimony was at times less than clear as to which Ormesher was being referred to, Hart did say that Jeffrey was a "good trustee” at least initially.
. Ex. 47. While this December 1997 recording date was verified, Hart stated that the August 9, 1997 execution date was not correct, though he said he didn't note that problem in 1997. Hart acknowledged at trial that the document was received in October 1997. See Ex. 52, Hart could not explain the reason for the backdating.
. Estrada testified, however, that as the "protector” of the WPV Trust, she would have concerns regarding a transfer of the trust's assets without the express consent of its beneficiaries (i.e., Sarah). Ex. 225 at 26-27.
. Ex. 40.
. The 2004 CIS that Hart provided to the IRS, Ex. 29, also did not disclose this transfer, which occurred within the preceding ten years for less than the asset’s actual value.
. Lafferty conceded during examination that he believed any “irrevocable” trust established for Sarah’s benefit could not be changed. He also indicated that, had he been told of a transfer of the real property from one irrevocable trust (i.e., the WPV Trust) into the SEH Trust, it would have raised questions.
. To the extent that filings in the District Court Case are not admitted exhibits, the Court takes judicial notice of them. See Fed. R. Evid. 201.
. There was a lack of testimonial clarity as to whether, under the alleged trusts, the Sarah Loop Property would be transferred to Sarah when Hart died, or when Sarah turned 45, and/or whether Hart’s lifetime residency was assured even if ownership was transferred to Sarah when she reached 45.
. Hart did disclose in the 2004 CIS that his residential rent was $600 per month, though not to whom it was paid. As noted earlier, he did not disclose that he had previously owned the residential real property that he now “rented” or that he had transferred it to a trust.
. According to the testimony, one exception was made to this usual dealing in cash; real estate taxes and utilities were. "generally” paid by Hart through money orders.
.The evidence establishes that Green gave such advice to Hart in Idaho while not licensed to practice law in this state. The Court will refer that matter to the Office of Bar Counsel for the Idaho State Bar for such inquiry as it deems appropriate.
. Blank IRS Forms 1041, with instructions, were marked as Exs, 37 and 38, and referred to during examination of Green but were not offered.
, See Exs. 301-308.
.Ex. 300.
, Lafferty also indicated that, once, Hart informed him that the tractor had been repaired, but that he was not asked for permission or approval to have the equipment repaired, nor was he requested to "reimburse” Hart for the expense.
. Hart initially testified that he could not remember if he, or someone else "representing him” filled out the CIS, Ex. 29. (Hart referred to John Turner. The exhibit has a typed insert "call POA John Turner” and provided a phone number.) Hart then stated he did not remember if he "read” the CIS before signing it. Tr. at 292-93. As noted earlier, he actually certified it to be true, accurate and complete, under penalty of perjury, and signed it in both 2003 and 2004.
.The notices are part of Hart’s Ex, 309, an unsegregated amalgam of documents related to such liens.
. Additional details of this and the other bankruptcy cases filed by Hart are discussed infra.
. See District Court Case, Doc. Nos. 150, 152.
. Debtor's first bankruptcy attorney is no relation to his trial counsel, Charles McFarland. Subsequent references to “McFarland” herein are to Michael McFarland.
.Tr. at 310. On a copy of that worksheet later produced, evidently at McFarland’s deposition, someone’ other than Hart had written "Sarah Elizabeth Hart Trust” under Hart’s comment. Id. at 310-11.
. Tr. at 410-17, 422.
. A 1 ½ page memo from Hart to McFarland, Ex. 210, outlines certain details, facts and questions about the trusts. [Ex. 210 was admitted over Hart’s objection. The final exhibit list, Adv. Doc. No. 112-1, does not so indicate, but will be corrected to conform to the Court’s trial notes and the transcript, see Tr. 326-27.] McFarland was never examined about this letter, and Hart’s testimony does not make clear that the memo was ever delivered to McFarland.
. Hart similarly testified that he could not recall. Given the entirety of the litigation in the bankruptcy cases and the instant adversary proceeding, their repeated assertions of lack of memory and recall on significant and material matters were not credible.
. Hart only changed the second sentence of that language, deleting the assertion of reduction in value due to an 8% sales cost, and replacing it with "Debtor is investigating fair market value.” The schedule still asserted that the Property was not property of the estate, and valued the debtor’s interest in it at $0.00.
. The IIB account was referred to as a "personal” account, and bore the name "Philip Hart dba Alpine Press.” Alpine Press was the business through which he published his book.
.These receipts were provided to show alleged expenses of the SEH Trust that were paid, through Hart, from the rent placed in the desk drawer.
. See Hart III at Doc. No. 105.
. Prior to trial the UST dismissed an additional count under § 727(a)(4)(A) and (a)(7) related to the tractor.
. See also Ochs v. Nemes (In re Nemes), 323 B.R. 316, 324 (Bankr. E.D.N.Y. 2005) (listing as nonexclusive factors "whether a debtor was engaged in business and, if so, the complexity and volume of the business; the amount of the debtor’s obligations; whether the debtor’s failure to keep or preserve books and records was due to the debtor’s fault; the debtor’s education, business experience and sophistication; the customary business practices for record keeping in the debtor's type of business; the degree of accuracy disclosed by the debtor's existing books and records; the extent of any egregious conduct on the debt- or’s part; and the debtor’s courtroom demeanor.”).
. See also Macway v. U.S. Trustee (In re Macway), 2014 WL 3817103, *3 (D. Nev. Aug. 4, 2014) (noting that the purpose of § 727(a)(3) "is to make the privilege of discharge dependent on a true presentation of the debtor’s financial affairs" and that places the obligation on the debtor to maintain proper records that accurately present his financial affairs) (quoting Cox, 904 F.2d at 1401). In Macway, the court affirmed a bankruptcy court decision that found inadequate summaries that were "recreated” by the debtor post-bankruptcy in large part from memory and with a lack of bank records and documentation to support them. Id. at *4. The district court’s decision was affirmed. Davis v. Macway (In re Macway), 2016 WL 4039745 (9th Cir. July 28, 2016).
. In the District Court Case, analogous issues arose regarding Hart's record keeping for purposes of complying with the Internal Revenue Code and IRS regulations as to his businesses' affairs and his claims to business expense and other deductions. The District Court found that "adequate records” were lacking, and that what was provided were not contemporaneous but rather after-the-fact creations based on miscellaneous receipts, check registers and his recollection. The "memory-jogging” approach did not meet the applicable substantiation requirements applicable there. See, e.g., Ex. 94 at 13-23. It is no more successful here.
. See Macway, 2014 WL 3817103 at *5 (noting that debtor was a "smart man, with an MBA”). See also Hussain, 508 B.R. at 425 n.6 (noting cases where lack of education, sophistication, and business experience, or a reliance on others, justified lack of adequate records).
. However, when on other occasions pressed on such testimony through cross-examination, he claimed lack of recollection or lack of understanding which, to the Court, was an inconsistency that lacked credibility.
. Of note, though, is Hart’s testimony that he sent the 150-page draft WPV Trust agreement back to Ortega unsigned, and never executed a trust agreement regarding the WPV Trust.
. Hart conceded in his testimony that there was another "goal” for the transfer of the Property and the tractor to the SEH Trust, which was to protect those assets from the IRS and Idaho State Tax Commission as well as from other creditors.
. Cf., McKay, 504 B.R. at 656 (evidence established that debtor reasonably relied on his son, who had taken accounting in college and earned an MBA, to keep and maintain the records of a business in which both were stockholders, officers and directors).
.The court had earlier commented: "Debt- or’s totally unsupported excuses were of the ‘dog ate my homework' ilk: roof collapse, flood and computer virus. Coincidentally, Debtor's accountant, located over 2,000 miles away in California, also experienced unsupported catastrophic computer failures that destroyed the record that had been used to complete tax returns.” Id. at *4.
. See Tr. at 306-07. This comment’s reference to "the trust document" refers to the document creating the SEH Trust. (Recall, Hart testified that he had returned, unsigrled, the 150-page draft trust agreement for the WPV Trust, and that no other such document was ever executed.) He conceded that he never caused a restatement of the SEH Trust to be created after the claimed loss of the document in the office moves.
. See Tr. at 306-08.
. Whether a debtor harbors the "intent’' to hinder, delay or defraud the trustee or creditors is a question of fact, which can be established by circumstantial evidence or by inferences drawn from a course of conduct. It is common for a trier of fact to rely on circumstantial evidence to resolve factual issues bearing on a party’s state of mind. See United States v. Sullivan, 522 F.3d 967, 974-76 (9th Cir. 2008). Indeed, absent an admission, circumstantial evidence typically is the only means by which a party may prove another's state of mind.
. These include his false statements on the sworn CIS about his residence, and the failure to there disclose the transfer of the Property.
. Under Fed. R. Civ. P. 8(c)(1), incorporated here by Fed. R. Bankr. P. 7008, res judicata is an affirmative defense that must be pleaded in responding to -a complaint or it is generally waived, Bush v. Woods (In re Bush), 2005 WL 6960185, *6 (9th Cir. BAP Dec. 15, 2005); In re Tews, 502 B.R. 566, 569 n.5 (Bankr. D. Idaho 2013). Hart’s answer to the UST’s complaint, see Adv. No. 13-07017-TLM at 6, fails to assert this defense. And while the answer purports to reserve the right to add other affirmative defenses, no amendments were ever sought or made. In a pretrial order entered on November 13, 2014, in these consolidated adversary proceedings, the parties agreed and the Court ordered that the pleadings were settled. Later modifications of this pretrial order concerned discovery cutoff dates and the-continuation of the trial date, but never reopened the pleadings. The argument of the preclusive effect of the October 2013 exemption ruling was raised for the first time in Hart's January 2016 pretrial brief. It was not asserted in accord with the Rules and therefore is properly denied on that basis.
Notwithstanding the Rule violation,' exceptions to Rule 8(c) are recognized where, despite the late assertion of the defensé, the opposing party is given fair notice of the asserted defense, and when addressing it does not result in unfair surprise or prejudice to that party. Bush, 2005 WL 6960185, at *6. The UST was able to address the question at trial and in its briefing. And the issues revolve around uncontested facts (the events before this Court in the chapter 7 case), not on extraneous facts that the UST was unable to address through discovery and trial preparation. The Court therefore addresses Hart’s assertion of the defense in this Decision. While that defense is found wanting under the authorities and will be rejected, that is not solely due to Hart’s violation of Rule 8(c)(1).
. The 1997 transfer by recorded deed was well outside the look-back period of § 548 as well as the longer state law look-back period that can be invoked under § 544(b).
. Indeed, no one could reasonably suggest that a panel trustee’s failure to file a § 727(a) complaint, see Rule 4004(a), would constitute a bar on the UST filing such an action] They are different parties. The bar date for objections to discharge was April 22, 2013. Mund-ing filed no § 727(a) complaint. The UST sought and obtained an extension of time in order to determine whether to bring such an action and to file the same. Hart III at Doc. Nos. 65, 88, 101.
. In accord is United States v. Modanlo, 954 F.Supp.2d 384 (D. Md. 2013), which denied a defendant’s contention that the government should be collaterally estopped from criminally prosecuting him for obstruction of bankruptcy proceedings because the bankruptcy court had already decided that issue in defendant’s favor when the U.S. Trustee raised similar allegations. The district court held that the defendant's "claim falters most clearly on ... the identity or 'privity' requirement. With respect to that element, the test ‘is one of substance, not form.’ ” Id. at 387. The court noted that the applicable authorities (there applying Maryland law) focus on "the nature of the interests binding the two parties, and, correspondingly, whether they share the same incentive in their separate litigation attempts.” Id. The court rejected the argument that the U.S. Attorney and the U.S. Trustee are the same party because both are divisions of the Department of Justice and the argument that the U.S. Attorney was in privity with the U.S. Trustee, "because they operate pursuant to completely different statutory purposes, powers and interests.” Id. at 387-89.
.The Court of Appeals doubted that the contention of discharge of the tax debt was entirely accurate. Id. at 957 n.4.
. There are also other problems with Hart’s contention. For example, in rejecting the exemption objection, the Court ruled that it was unable to "conclude from this record” that the trustee had made out his case for concealment or that the asserted "concealment” was, as the trustee argued, made in the original Hart III schedule A and constituted grounds to bar the later inconsistent assertion in the same case by way of an amended schedule A. The evidentiary record in this adversary proceeding is of course a different record. And the concealment urged by the UST in the present action has to do with the "continuing concealment” in the one year period immediately preceding the filing of Hart III.
. The BAP found that debtor’s "subordination of her mother’s deed of trust in favor of Elsam allowed an inference to be made that the debtor retained a secret benefit in the residual equity in the property purportedly encumbered by the deed of trust which constituted a continuing concealment of assets.” Id. (quoting Lawson v. Hughes (In re Lawson), 193 B.R. 520, 524 (9th Cir. BAP 1996)).
. See also Taylor v. Good (In re Taylor), 2016 WL 7189837, *5 n.6 (9th Cir. BAP Dec. 2, 2016) (addressing badges of fraud that may constitute circumstantial evidence of intent for purposes of § 727(a)(2)) (citing Wolkowitz v. Beverly (In re Beverly), 374 B.R. 221, 242-43 (9th Cir. BAP 2007), aff'd in part, dismissed in part, 551 F.3d 1092 (9th Cir. 2008)).
. As to evidence of Hart's acts and conduct prior to January 13, 2012, the same are only considered to the extent relevant and probative to Hart’s retaining a secret interest in the Property, and to his continuing concealment of that interest with requisite intent during the critical one-year period.
.When held up to the light, the entire concept of “rent” is illusory. And it can be viewed as intentionally so. The assertion of a rent obligation (though questionable in its cash-in-the-drawer nature and minimal $600 amount) facilitated Hart’s concealment. Without ever identifying the details as to the ownership of the Property, Hart could and did tell McFarland and bankruptcy trustees that he “rented” a residence. He compounded the concealment by his evasive, indeed deceptive, answer to the trustee’s attorney’s inquiry in Hart I about *49rent checks by saying “You’d have to ask him” (referring to Lafferty, the SEH Trust’s trustee).” Ex. 216 at 48-49. Hart knew at the time he said this that there were never any “checks” and that Lafferty did not receive and had never received any rent.
. Hart II was filed in 2012, and continued this pattern of behavior and lack of disclosure. And, though it occurred after Hart III was filed, Hart's declaration, Ex. 154, denied any intent to hide information from or to mislead McFarland in Hart I because the "efficacy of the trust” became an issue only after Hart I had been filed. This was demonstrably false given the IRS’ pursuit of the Property as held by the SEH Trust as "nominee” and by the events in the District Court Case.
. As this Court explained in Murphy v. Vanschoiack (In re Vanschoiack), 356 B.R. 56, 63 n.6 (Bankr. D. Idaho 2006):
A debtor is required to make full and complete disclosure of assets, liabilities and transactions_ This requirement is enforced, inter alia, by § 727(a)(4). The function of the requirement is to ensure accurate and dependable information is given to the Court, trustee, and creditors upon which they can rely without the need for additional inquiry,... Debtors may not elect what to disclose; all property and interests in property must be disclosed.
. The UST also notes a similar issue with the Audi, since Hart failed to disclose that he owned it or, alternatively, failed to show it on his SOFA as in his possession but owned by White Pine. Adv. Doc. No. 123 at 67. However, the Audi, unlike the tractor, was not specified in the underlying complaint. See Adv. Doc. No. 1 at 12-13 (in Adv. No. 13-07017-TLM).
. See also Ex. 40 (1996 cashiers check and bill of sale).
. Tr. at 484-85.
. See Ex. 216 (§ 341(a) examination in Han I) at 28-29 (IRS questioning); Ex. 217 (§ 341(a) examination in Hart II) at 9 (trustee questioning).
. Tr. at 120.
. Mosqueda used the tractor from April to August 2012. Han I was filed May 29, 2012 and the schedules were filed June 12, 2012. Exs. 100, 102.