(dissenting):
I dissent.
My brothers err, I believe, in failing to take into account the significance, for juvenile proceedings, of the Supreme Court’s decision in In re Gault, 387 US 1, 18 L Ed 2d 527, 87 S Ct 1428 (1967), that such proceedings must be conducted in a manner as to accord the juvenile concerned “ ‘the essentials of due process and fair treatment.’ ” (Id., at page 30.) Specifically, the Court held, this includes: (1) appropriate notice of charges; (2) the right to be represented by retained or court-appointed counsel; and (3) constitutional protection against self-incrimination and for confrontation by witnesses subject to cross-examination. The court declined to rule on whether a juvenile is entitled to appellate review, and the concomitant necessity for a transcript of the proceedings, but called attention to the difficulties encountered by the lack of a record in instances where a writ of habeas corpus is sought. Since Gault had not been afforded these constitutional protections, the order of the Supreme Court of Arizona dismissing his petition for a writ of habeas corpus was reversed and the cause was remanded for further proceedings.
In the case at bar, the accused’s service record revealed that, prior to his entry into the service, he was the subject of juvenile court proceedings in Union City, New Jersey, on seven different occasions. The first took place in October 1960, when the accused was eleven years old and the last in December 1964, while he was still only fifteen years of age. He was reprimanded on the first three occasions and placed on probation in each of the last four instances. Final release from probation occurred on April 15, 1966. He enlisted in the Army for a three-year period the following October.
In the clemency portion of his review for the convening authority, the staff judge advocate listed these proceedings in order, including the type of offense involved, the age of the accused at each time, the court’s disposition, and the date of final release from probation. He also informed the convening authority that, in his interview with the accused, the latter discussed his civilian background and stated that the juvenile offenses were committed when he associated with a gang of juveniles and it was his misfortune to get caught.
The majority find no error in the staff judge advocate’s post-trial referral to these juvenile misdeeds and convictions on the basis of this Court’s opinion in United States v Barrow, 9 USCMA 343, 26 CMR 123. There we *227compared the practice with that followed in civilian courts where judges use probation reports which cover comprehensively a defendant’s early environment, family background, character, and behavior to guide them in arriving at an appropriate sentence. Since, in military practice, sentence has been imposed before preparation of the staff judge advocate review, we noted in Barrow that if a record of juvenile misconduct is used in this review, concededly, the only result would be to diminish the possibility that the accused may be awarded a lesser sentence, for a convening authority can change a sentence only in favor of the accused. However, as we stated:
. . If we are to permit post-trial interviews to work to the mutual benefit of both [the accused and the Government], we must not say to convening authorities that they may consider a good youthful record but must close their eyes if the past is bad. ... To make an intelligent estimate, in performing his statutory duty to affirm so much of the sentence as he deems appropriate, a convening authority should know his subject well and, if the accused’s life history shows he is a juvenile gangster, that should not be concealed from the evaluator.” {Barrow, supra, at page 345.]
Whatever validity there may have been in the view expressed in Barrow (see also United States v Lowe, 9 USCMA 417, 26 CMR 197), is, in my opinion, placed in doubt by the decision in Gatilt. In Gault, the Court reviewed the history and theory underlying the development of juvenile practice and I need not repeat it here. Suffice to say, as noted therein, the States are uniform in viewing juvenile proceedings as civil in nature and not criminal. The laws of the District of Columbia are in accord. See District of Columbia Code, 1967 edition, Title 11, section 11-1551, et seq. In White v Reid, 125 F Supp 647, 649 (DC DC) (1954), the court held:
“Proceedings against juveniles brought in the Juvenile Court are not criminal and penal in character, but are an adjudication upon the status of a child in the nature of a guardianship imposed by the state as parens patriae to provide the care and guidance that under normal circumstances would be furnished by the natural parents.”
So too the Federal laws. In Fagerstrom v United States, 311 F2d 717, 720 (CA 8th Cir) (1963), that court said:
“To be adjudged a juvenile delinquent and committed to the custody of the Attorney General under the Juvenile Delinquency Act, is not to be convicted of or sentenced for a crime. United States v Borders, DC ND Ala, 154 F Supp 214; affirmed, Borders v United States, 5 Cir, 256 F2d 458; United States v Kinsman, DC SD Cal, 195 F Supp 271, 273. The very purpose of the Act is to avoid the prosecution of juveniles as criminals.”
Our decision in United States v Roark, 8 USCMA 279, 24 CMR 89, is in accord with this view. There we held that it was error for the law officer to permit cross-examination into earlier acts of misconduct of the accused during his minority that might have involved moral turpitude, as well as inquiry into his committal to a training school by a State juvenile court. As we said in Roark, at page. 284, “in the case of minors the policy of protecting the infant outweighs the necessity of impeaching his veracity.” (Emphasis supplied.) The Chief Judge based his separate concurrence in Roark on the fact that the early proceedings against the accused took place in a jurisdiction (Virginia) where such proceedings did not constitute a conviction for crime and hence were inadmissible for impeachment purposes. Manual for Courts-Martial, United States, 1951, paragraph 1535.
The juvenile proceedings in this case took place in New Jersey where such proceedings are rehabilitative rather than penal. In re State in Interest of W. O., ICO NJ Super 358, 242 *228A2d 17, 19 (1968). “The rules of evidence do not apply to the same extent as in ordinary criminal cases. See Annotation, ‘Applicability of rules of evidence in juvenile delinquency proceeding,’ 43 ALR2d 1128 (1955). . . . However, in In re Gault, 387 US 1, 87 S Ct 1428, 18 L Ed 2d 527 (1967) it was held that proceedings in the Juvenile Court were subject to the constitutional requirement of due process of law.”
In State In re J. M., 103 NJ Super 88, 246 A2d 536 (1968), the court held that Gault is to be applied retroactively, at least in that State. That court, citing cases, acknowledged that retroactive application of Gault had been denied in Virginia, but granted in Arizona, Florida, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin. Factually, it appeared that the notice of the scheduled hearing, which had been sent to the juvenile’s mother contained the following statement : “ ‘You have the right to retain and be represented by counsel.’ ” However, “He was not represented by counsel nor did he or his mother request the court to assign an attorney to represent him. Under the practice then existing, based on the law applicable at that time, the juvenile was not advised that the court would assign an attorney to represent him if he so desired and could not afford to retain his own attorney.” The court, on the basis of Gault, voided the former hearing and ordered a new proceeding. In its opinion, the court stated:
“Just as an adult defendant in a criminal action must be found guilty before he can be penalized, a juvenile in a juvenile proceeding must be adjudged delinquent (guilty) before the court can infringe upon his freedom by institutionalization or otherwise. It would seem compelling that there should be no distinction made as to the need for a reliable guilt-finding process, whether the proceeding be in the adult criminal court or the juvenile court. See State in the Interest of Carlo, 48 NJ 224, 236, 255 A2d 110 (1966).” [Ibid., at pages 538, 539.]
Compare In re Whittington, 391 US 341, 20 L Ed 2d 625, 88 S Ct 507 (1968), where the Court vacated an order of the Supreme Court of Ohio and remanded the case for consideration in light of Gault since the Ohio case had been decided two months prior to Gault and without consideration of the principles enunciated therein.
It is apparent that the decision in Gault has already had a profound effect on the conduct of juvenile proceedings. In United States v Borders, 154 F Supp 214 (ND Ala) (1957), that court, at page 216, had held that, “To sustain an adjudication of delinquency, most of the authorities require the same amount and kind of proof as would be required in an ordinary civil action.” But Judge Sobeloff, in United States v Costanzo, 395 F2d 441, 444 (CA 4th Cir) (1968), quoting from Borders, said, “[t]hese ideas are at war with the philosophy painstakingly expounded in the Supreme Court’s recent decision, In re Gault, supra, and can no longer guide us. Gault unequivocally rejects the reasoning typified in Borders and ineluctably requires a different conclusion.” With respect to the jurisdiction of particular interest in this case, we were informed by appellate defense counsel that New Jersey recently adopted new rules for juvenile proceedings. In their brief, they state: “New Jersey Rule of Practice, RR 6:3-4(c) (1967 Amendment) provides ‘in juvenile causes the court shall advise the juvenile and his parents, guardian or custodian of their right to retain counsel and, if they are unable to afford counsel . . . the court shall assign counsel to represent them.’ ” In addition to the New Jersey cases cited above, which took cognizance of the Gault decision, other State courts have similarly acted. See, generally, People v Allen, 22 NY2d 465, 293 NYS2d 280 (1968); Workman v Commonwealth, 429 SW2d 374 (Ky) (1968); Commonwealth v Superintendent of State Cor. Inst., 212 Pa Super 422, 242 A2d 903 (1968); Leach v State, 428 SW2d 817 (Tex) (1968); In re Creek, 243 A2d 49 (DC) (1968); In re D., 30 AD2d 183, 290 NYS2d 935 (1968). *229Retroactive application of Gault has been denied in Cradle v Peyton, 208 Va 243, 156 SE2d 874 (1967), and State v Hance, 2 Md App 162, 233 A2d 326 (1967), but granted in Application of Billie, 103 Ariz 16, 436 P2d 130 (1968); Steinhauer v State, 206 So 2d 25 (Fla) (1967); Marsden v Commonwealth, 227 NE2d 1 (Mass) (1967); State v Circuit Court of Brown County, BE. 1, 37 Wis 2d 329, 155 NW2d 141 (1967). While in the Virginia and Maryland cases, the courts declined to retroactively apply Gault, these cases can be distinguished since each of them dealt not with a determination of delinquency but with certification of the juvenile to the criminal courts for indictment and trial. With regard to the question, however, the court in Cradle v Peyton, supra, stated at page 879, that if retroactivity were applied,
“. . . Every state would be required to void the conviction of every juvenile who was not advised of his right to be represented in juvenile court proceedings by retained counsel or, if unable to afford counsel, by court-appointed counsel.”
Neither this record nor the allied papers, including the briefs of counsel, reflect whether this accused was represented by counsel or afforded the other protections which accord “due process and fair treatment” in his juvenile court appearances. While appellate defense counsel have ably briefed the issue before us they have not furnished us with this vital information. They do, however, point out that “the procedural safeguards not applicable when appellant was considered delinquent now generally apply.” In addition they urge us to rule that misconduct during minority is not proper matter to be included in post-trial reviews, on the ground that: (1) Juvenile adjudications are not criminal convictions, but State determinations on how to handle young people who need correction and rehabilitation; (2) juvenile adjudications are not tó be used for any purpose not permitted by the pertinent juvenile statutes; and (3) new legal developments make invalid pre-Gault juvenile proceedings. In effect they request that our decision in United States v Barrow, supra, be overruled.
I do not believe that Barrow need be overruled for we were aware at the time of that opinion that juvenile proceedings were not criminal in nature and of the statutory limitations on the use of such data. I agree, however, that Gault has cast a new light on the proceedings in juvenile court and many such cases could, perhaps, be voided. But that is a matter for the appropriate courts.
In my opinion, as appellate defense counsel also urge, a more basic flaw occurred in the manner in which this information was presented to the convening authority. As noted, the staff judge advocate simply listed the offenses and stated that they were matters for the Union County, New Jersey, Juvenile Court. His manner in doing so conveyed the impression that appellant, as a juvenile, had been, on six occasions, convicted of crimes. He gave no explanation of the meaning of such proceedings — rehabilitative not criminal; he did not disclose the statutory restrictions on the use of such data; nor did he indicate that juvenile hearings generally lack the legal safeguards of adult criminal proceedings, and should be viewed in such light. Absent this information, the convening authority was without a proper basis for the exercise of his discretion to grant clemency. Articles 61 and 64, Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 USC §§861 and 864; United States v Bennett, 18 USCMA 96, 39 CMR 96.
I do not believe the staff judge advocate intended to mislead, rather, I think it was an oversight, but a grievous one, since the convening authority is a layman and cannot be expected to know or appreciate the subtle differences of juvenile vis-a-vis criminal proceedings. His dependency upon the staff judge advocate for proper and complete advice, especially as pertains to his clemency powers, was most recently reviewed by this *230Court in United States v Bennett, supra, and need not be repeated. It is enough that I believe the advice here fell short of that required, thus necessitating a new review by the staff judge advocate.
With regard to the question of whether the law officer’s instructions on other misconduct were patently erroneous and ambiguous to the substantial prejudice of the accused, I also disagree with the majority’s view on this matter. As we stated in United States v Robertson, 14 USCMA 328, 331, 34 CMR 108, quoting, in part, from United States v Provoo, 215 F2d 531 (CA 2d Cir) (1954), “ ‘specific acts of misconduct not resulting in conviction of a felony or crime of moral turpitude are not the proper subject of cross-examination for impeachment purposes.’ ” See also United States v Russell, 15 USCMA 76, 35 CMR 48.
I speak only of that evidence reflecting that after the purported larcenies, the accused returned to the night club where he met a woman with whom he spent the night in a local motel. There is simply no evidence in the record that the wrongful takings were motivated by a desire to procure sexual relations or to pay for a motel room. While it is true that fornication, in the absence of aggravating circumstances, is not an offense under military law (United States v Snyder, 1 USCMA 423, 4 CMR 15; cf. United States v Dixon, 17 USCMA 423, 38 CMR 221), it is, nevertheless, a departure from the norm of human behavior and, as such, it may not be presented on the pretext that it affects credibility. United States v Long, 2 USCMA 60, 6 CMR 60. See also United States v Krokro-skia, 13 USCMA 371, 32 CMR 371.
Since the court was, in my opinion, erroneously informed that it could consider this evidence “upon the question of the credibility of the accused as a witness pertaining to the question of voluntary intoxication,” the main thrust of his defense, prejudice is apparent. United States v Robertson and United States v Russell, both supra.
Accordingly, I would reverse the decision of the board of review and direct a rehearing.