concurring in part and dissenting in part.
The facts available persuade me that attorney Lovelace asserted a status as appellant’s lawyer. Acting from that status he asserted appellant’s right to consult with counsel which was improperly denied by the police. His subsequent in-custody waiver was of no effect. Accordingly, I would dismiss the charge tainted by that error and sustain the other.
Appellant asserts that his pretrial statements and certain other evidence were improperly admitted at trial because he was denied access to counsel at the initial police interrogation, citing United States v. McOmber, 24 U.S.C.M.A. 207, 51 C.M.R. 452, 1 M.J. 380 (1976). The MeOmber rule requires that “ . . . once an investigator is on notice that an attorney has undertaken to represent an individual in a military criminal investigation, further questioning of the accused without affording counsel reasonable opportunity to be present renders any statement obtained involuntary under Article 31(d) of the Uniform Code.” 1 M.J. at 383. With this and other language the Court specifically refrained from reaching any Constitutional issues. The “statutory” right protected by MeOmber is clearly the right to free military counsel appointed under Article 27, U.C.M.J. United States v. Lowry, 25 U.S.C.M.A. 85, 54 C.M.R. 85, 2 M.J. 55 (1976).
The facts of record do not bring this case directly within the McOmber/Lowry rule. In both of those cases the accused requested and received military counsel at his initial interrogation. That counsel was ignored by all parties at the second interrogation in each case when related but separate of*573fenses were the subject. In this case a civilian attorney was on post and seeking appellant. Appellant was being delivered to the CID office from the custody of civilian authorities for questioning about the on-post offenses for which he was ultimately convicted. Appellant and the civilian counsel apparently reached the station house about the same time, but counsel’s demand to see appellant immediately was denied by the agent-investigator on orders from his superiors.
At trial the agent testified that counsel’s demand included statements that he was “ . . . appellant’s counsel ‘on some other matters’ and considered himself ‘counsel for him generally.’ ” Nonetheless, appellant was kept unaware of and separate from that counsel, and interrogated by the agent. He made incriminating statements after an otherwise unexceptionable interrogation.
The absence of any immediate threat to appellant’s statutory rights to appointed counsel and of any request by him for counsel remove this case from the McOmber/Lowry area. However, the fact of civilian counsel’s efforts to see appellant raises two Constitutional questions: Was appellant denied a right to counsel? Even if not, was he able to make a knowing, intelligent waiver of his right to counsel unaware that a lawyer was in the next room asking to see him? The answer to the first question is “yes,” and the mere statement of the second may be its own answer.1
In order for appellant here to have been denied a right to retained counsel he must have had counsel at the time the police refusal occurred. Without extended examination of the inception of the attorney-client relationship and whether attorney Lovelace here was generally or specifically retained,2 it may be said simply that an attorney who announces that he represents a person is presumed to do so and to be authorized to act for him. This is true for both civil and criminal cases. Department of Water and Power v. Anderson, 95 F.2d 577 (9th Cir. 1938), cert. dend. 305 U.S. 607, 59 S.Ct. 67, 83 L.Ed. 386 (1938), citing Hill v. Mendenhall, 88 U.S. 453, 21 Wall. 453, 22 L.Ed. 616 (1874); In re 125 Criminal Appeals, 113 R.I. 365, 321 A.2d 294 (1974). Accord People v. Sleezer, 8 Ill.App.2d 12, 130 N.E.2d 302 (1955); Minnesota v. Karp, 84 Ohio App. 51, 84 N.E.2d 76 (1948); Coleman v. District Court, 120 Mont. 372, 186 P.2d 91 (1974); Police Jury of Tangipahoa Parish v. Begnaud, 200 La. 1020, 9 So.2d 399 (1942). Attorney Lovelace’s statement that he represented appellant and wished to act for him made him appellant’s counsel at that time and place.
There is no difference between counsel Lovelace’s assertion of his client’s right to counsel and a similar assertion by appellant himself; it is counsel’s right and duty to act for his client. Patently, the attorney has no right greater than the client, but here the client’s rights were mature when blocked by the police. The effect of a similar blockade of counsel has been described by the Supreme Court:
“[It] would be highly incongruous if our system of justice permitted the district attorney, the lawyer representing the State, to extract a confession from the accused while his own lawyer, seeking to speak with him, was kept from him by the police.”
Escobedo v. Illinois, 378 U.S. 478, 487, 84 S.Ct. 1758, 1763, 12 L.Ed.2d 977 (1964), quoting People v. Donovan, 13 N.Y.2d 148, 243 N.Y.S.2d 841, 193 N.E.2d 628 (1963) and citing Canon 9 of the ABA Canons of Professional Ethics.
Although at rock bottom the Escobedo decision turned on the denial of the accused’s own request for counsel, the Court’s reliance on the language quoted from the New York decision in Donovan is ultimately persuasive here. Whereas Escobedo had *574seen his retained counsel at the station house, but the attorney was quickly “ushered” away by police, Donovan did not know that an attorney retained by his family was trying to see him. Despite both Donovan’s ignorance that he had counsel and his failure to request assistance, a denial of the right to counsel was found. That denial was given Sixth Amendment dimensions by the Escobedo court which were later affirmed by the Supreme Court in Miranda:
“Independent of any other constitutional proscription, this action [the blockade] constitutes a violation of the Sixth Amendment right to the assistance of counsel and excludes any statement obtained in its wake.”
Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 465, 86 S.Ct. 1602, 1623, 16 L.Ed.2d 694, 718, n. 35 (1966). Donovan was used to support the same New York high court’s criticism of police failure to permit retained counsel access to a client facing a prearraignment lineup. People v. Burwell, 26 N.Y.2d 331, 310 N.Y.S.2d 308, 258 N.E.2d 714 (1970). Donovan is also a foundation of the present New York rule that: “[w]hen an accused, at any stage, before or after arraignment, to the knowledge of the law enforcement agencies, already has counsel, his right or access to counsel may not be denied.” People v. Blake, 35 N.Y.2d 331, 361 N.Y.S.2d 881, 320 N.E.2d 625, 630 (1974).3
Similar results have been reached in other jurisdictions. The Supreme Court of Nebraska referred to Massachusetts, California, New Mexico and Missouri decisions in adopting the principle of yet another New York case. That case contains the best statement of the rule:
“ ‘Once the police know or have been apprised of the fact that the defendant is represented by counsel, or that an attorney has communicated with the police for the purpose of representing defendant, the accused’s right to counsel attaches, and this right is not dependent upon the existence of a formal retainer.’ The court also said: ‘There is no requirement that the attorney or the defendant request the police to respect this right of the defendant.’ ” [Emphasis supplied.]
State v. Johns, 185 Neb. 590, 177 N.W.2d 580, 584 (1970), quoting People v. Arthur, 22 N.Y.2d 325, 292 N.Y.S.2d 663, 239 N.E.2d 537 (1968).4 See also Jones v. United States, 119 U.S.App.D.C. 284, 342 F.2d 863 (1964); Ricks v. United States, 118 U.S.App.D.C. 216, 334 F.2d 964, n.21 (1964); State v. Tramont, 2 Conn.Cir. 552, 203 A.2d 123 (1964); and Commonwealth v. Yates, 357 A.2d 134 (Pa.1976) [Dissenting Op.]. There is also an impending breach in the long-standing rule that counsel may not be demanded before taking a drunk-driving test. Arguing that the police procedure is not “civil” but is as much an evidence-gathering procedure as custodial interrogation the Minnesota Supreme Court has identified the proffer of chemical testing as a critical stage of the proceedings in which communication with counsel must be permitted on demand. Prideaux v. State, 247 N.W.2d 385 (Minn.1976). See also State v. Held, 246 N.W.2d 863 (Minn.1976) and State v. Kneisl, 251 N.W.2d 645 (Minn.1977).
Nothing happened in the Supreme Court’s recent reexamination of Miranda and the right to counsel cases to suggest a diminution of the force of the Dunlap rule. Brewer v. Williams, 430 U.S. 387, 97 S.Ct. 1232, 51 L.Ed.2d 424 (1977). Indeed, Mr. Justice Blackman’s dissenting opinion isolated the blockade in Escobedo as the cause for the deprivation of counsel there, and the Chief Justice’s dissent acknowledged that “it is now thought that modern law enforcement involves pretrial confrontations at which the defendant’s fate might effec*575tively be sealed before the right of counsel could attach.” The Chief Justice, of course, was speaking to the right to counsel previously said by his Court to exist at various “critical stages” of the proceedings. The concurring opinion of Mr. Justice Stevens identified the negotiations between counsel and the police for the surrender of his client as a “critical stage.” The majority made it clear that they were dealing with a right to counsel problem, not a Miranda situation, but were able to decide their case on well established principles because Williams had been arraigned.
Here the deprivation occurred after the suspect had been taken into custody and during the preliminaries to the Miranda trigger. At that point a suspect has no right to warnings, nor must the Government proffer appointed counsel. However, if the suspect asks for his own, retained counsel and is refused he has been denied his Sixth Amendment rights.
II
The Donovan factual situation is patently different from that in State v. Carder, 9 Ohio St.2d 1, 222 N.E.2d 620 (1966) where the court said:
“The determinative factor in these cases is the desire of the accused to consult with counsel, not the desire of counsel to consult with the accused.”
Id., 222 N.E. at 625. In Carder a 16V2 year old murder defendant refused to see counsel retained by his family and his subsequent admissions were used against him. A district court later sustained the right under Escobedo to knowingly refuse to see counsel, but the key is knowledge. Carder v. Maxwell, 298 F.Supp. 1056 (S.D.Ohio 1969). The result has been similar with the problem of the accused who is known by the police to have counsel in an unrelated case. There it is said that a knowing and intelligent waiver depends not on what the police know, but on what the accused knows. United States v. Crook, 502 F.2d 1378, 1380 (3d Cir. 1974), cert. dend. 419 U.S. 1123, 95 5. Ct. 808, 42 L.Ed.2d 823 (1975). See also Michigan v. Mosley, 423 U.S. 96, 96 S.Ct. 321, 46 L.Ed.2d 313 n. 10 (1975).5
This reliance on what the accused knows and on his actions while in custody to bottom a waiver is not without its critics. Thus, with respect to interrogation by police who knew their suspect’s counsel had not been notified, the Third Circuit said that “ . . . the practice is not commendable.” United States v. Cobbs, 481 F.2d 196, 200 (3d Cir. 1973). In some other cases, courts have been satisfied that police interrogation of one known to be represented by counsel without notice to that counsel violated DR 7-104(a)(l) of the ABA Code of Professional Responsibility (1969). United States v. Thomas, 474 F.2d 110 (10th Cir. 1973), cert. dend. 412 U.S. 932, 93 S.Ct. 2758, 37 L.Ed.2d 160 (1973). Such holdings are consistent with the Supreme Court’s citation of Canon 9 in Escobedo, supra, and with Opinion 95, ABA Opinions of the Committee on Professional Ethics and Grievances (1967) which found that a city attorney’s staff relationship to city police generated ethical responsibilities for their conduct. Whether a given military case presents an ethical violation along with or instead of a deprivation of counsel is for separate determination. United States v. Tomchek, 2 M.J. 813 (A.C.M.R.1976).6
Ill
This appellant was denied the assistance of counsel guaranteed by the Sixth Amend*576ment. That right is available to him in trials by court-martial. However, the error affects only Charge I; appellant was delivered to his counsel after the incident criticized here and the subsequent interrogations were about unrelated matters. His waiver at the second interrogation was knowing and intelligent, and his admissions were not tainted by the earlier error,
. There is a corollary, ethical question which is mentioned infra.
. See Associated Indemnity Corp. v. Industrial Accident Comm’n., 56 Cal.App.2d 804, 133 P.2d 698 (1943); Agnew v. Walden, 84 Ala. 502, 4 So. 672, 673 (1888); 7 C.J.S., Attorney & Client §§ 62-65.
. The New York rule is particularly persuasive for military practice because we do not have the functional equivalent of an arraignment early in our process.
. The Johns case is also important for its statement that the “right” Miranda answers are nugatory after a deprivation of counsel has occurred. “Repetitions of advisory warnings are not a satisfactory substitute for granting an unequivocal request for counsel.” Id., 177 N.W.2d at 585.
. The right to counsel, whether on demand of accused or counsel, is not absolute. Thus, if the only proceedings is the taking of hair samples or fingerprinting, courts will perceive no threat to an unrepresented person’s basic rights to a fair trial and the effective assistance of counsel. State v. Meyers, 24 Or.App. 561, 546 P.2d 771 (1976), citing United States v. Wade, 388 U.S. 218, 87 S.Ct. 1926, 18 L.Ed.2d 1149 (1967).
. Consider paragraph 44h, MCM 1969 (Rev) which requires trial counsel to deal with the accused only through “any counsel the accused may have.”