(after stating the facts as above). A part of the argument addressed to the court appeared to assert that Price and Haas had been oppressed by the agents or attorneys of the United States. Let it be assumed that discretionary power rests in the court to quash an indictment found by coercion or oppression of jurors or witnesses or by device or trick inconsistent with the fair and honorable administration of law, yet there is nothing even in defendants’ affidavits giving color to a suggestion of such conduct in this proceeding. What was done was all in the open, with every opportunity for defendants to consult counsel, and not one of the formal questions put (the examination never got further) was even asked before full and fair knowledge of his legal privilege had been given each of the present defendants, and by one or several representatives of the United States. This conclusion is reached without reading the minutes of the grand jury — a means of information doubtless legal, but in my opinion not to be resorted to if recourse can be avoided, because the grand inquest is not only a supremely important, but wholly independent part of our legal system, and prying into its records directly tends to subordinate that jury to the court and to increase technicality of procedure ; two results equally to be deplored.
The real and only questions raised by these motions are narrow but important matters of law; i. e.: Were these defendants by the transactions above stated (1) compelled to be witnesses against themselves. *906(2) in a criminal case? To avoid side issues it will be assumed (but not decided) that Price attended the grand jury under compulsion.
The second of the queries stated requires consideration of the nature of a grand jury proceeding before indictment found. Defendants assert that by a necessary legal fiction the indictment is drawn, and is physically in existence before the grand jury convenes; that it is then with supporting evidence laid before Lhe jurors, who thereupon find or ig-nore it. It follows that the “criminal case” begins with the naming of a defendant in the unfound indictment, and theoretically antedates the grand jury itself. It follows, also, that the person named in such indictment is as much on trial '(though in a different way) when before the grand jurors as he is after due arraignment before a petit jury. This view is thought to find support in People v. Kelley, 24 N. Y. 74; People v. Sheriff, 11 Civ. Proc. R. (N. Y.) 182. I do not, however, find it necessary to consider whether this narrow and technical statement of grand jury proceedings is justified by New York or other state decisions. The tru$ doctrine is, I believe, established by national courts of controlling authority, and is that the submission of an indictment to a grand jury and the examination of witnesses before them in relation to the same are “no part of criminal proceedings against the accused, but are merely to assist the grand jury in determining whether such proceedings shall be commenced.” Post v. United States, 161 U. S. 583, 16 Sup. Ct. 611, 40 L. Ed. 816; United States v. Reed, 2 Blatchf. 435, Fed. Cas. No. 16,134. It must, therefore, be held that Price and Haas were not on trial before the grand jury, were not parties to any proceeding then and there in progress, and must rest their claim of privilege or immunity upon the rights of a witness, and not those of a party.
The constitutional provision is but the affirmance of the common-law maxim, “Nemo tenetur seipsum accusare.” It cannot be understood without knowledge of the common-law rule, and is to be interpreted thereby. It is intended solely to prevent disclosures by persons acting as witnesses in any investigation, and has no logical or historical relation to the rights of parties as such. Counselman v. Hitchcock, 142 U. S. 574, 12 Sup. Ct. 195, 35 L. Ed. 1110; Kepner v. United States, 195 U. S. 100, 24 Sup. Ct. 797, 49 L. Ed. 114; United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649, 18 Sup. Ct. 456, 42 L. Ed. 890; Brown v. Walker (C. C.) 70 Fed. 48; Story on the Constitution, § 1288. The immunity of a party in a criminal case rests likewise upon a rule of the common law, long antedating the Constitution, and quite different from the rule regarding self-accusation, viz., the exclusion from the witness stand of all parties to the record, because their interest was thought to be so great as to render them unworthy of belief. Benson v. United States, 146 U. S. 335, 13 Sup. Ct. 60, 36 L. Ed. 991.
This rule was not changed by the Constitution, and existed in full force in most English-speaking courts until almost within the memory of men still living. For the federal courts the practice is now regulated by Act March 16, 1878, c. 37, 20 Stat. 30 (U. S. Comp. St. 1901, p. 660), declaring that in all proceedings against persons “charged with the commission of crimes” the person charged shall be a witness “at *907his own request, but not otherwise.” Thus I think the defect of defendants’ argument is shown by authorities controlling in courts whose prime duty it is to authoritatively expound the national Constitution. Price and Haas were not parties, tmt as witnesses claim a party’s statutory (not constitutional) privilege. Regarding these men as witnesses only, it is settled law that no right either constitutional or statutory was infringed by compelling their attendance and administering the oath. United States v. Kimball (C. C.) 117 Fed. 156, followed in United States v. Greene & Doremus, Sup. Ct. Dist. Columbia (unreported), where a lengthy series of vital questions to each of which privilege was pleaded, was permitted on motions like the present. The reason for this is that the constitutional privilege is personal to the witness, must be claimed by him, may be passed on by the court, and the claimant only becomes a witness by being duly sworn or affirmed as such. People v. Lauder, 82 Mich. 109, 46 N. W. 956; State v. Comer, 157 Ind. 611, 62 N. E. 452; State v. Duncan, 78 Vt. 364, 63 Atl. 225, 4 L R. A. (N. S.) 1144, 112 Am. St. Rep. 922. The constitutional provision is therefore, as said by Prof. Wigmore in his illuminating discussion of the subject “an option of refusal and not a prohibition of inquiry” (Wigmore on Evidence, § 2268), and, when these defendants were duly and legally summoned to inquiry and put to their option, no right was violated, and the suggestion that they severally appeared in an unfavorable light while claiming privilege before the men who could indict them is especially immaterial in a country where “there is more danger that criminals will escape justice than that they will be subjected to tyranny.” Kepner v. United States, 195 U. S. 134, 24 Sup. Ct. 797, 49 L. Ed. 114.
It is quite true that the constitutional view, which by confounding the privilege of a witness with the rights of a party (or to speak more accurately the exclusion of a party) makes of a suspect a person sacrosanct, has received much judicial approval. The extent and nature thereof is reviewed in People v. Gillette (Sup.) 11 N. Y. Supp. 133, 39 N. Y. Law J. 1293 (June 18, 1908), and from the reasoning of that case I respectfully dissent. Some aid for defendants’ contention is thought tó be found in such cases as Stokes v. State, 5 Baxt. (Term.) 619, 30 Am. Rep. 72, where the Constitution was held infringed by asking defendant to make a foottrack before the jury. The numerous cases on demonstrative evidence are, I think, beside the question before the court, but it may be said that I think the better view is set forth in the recent case of Magee v. State (Miss.) 46 South. 529. See, also, Wigmore on Evidence, § 2265.
Motion denied.