We have here 15 petitions under § 701 (f) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, 21 U.S.C. § 371(f), to review two final regulations of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)1 relating to vitamin and mineral supplements sold as foods. One regula-lation, entitled Part 125 — Label Statements Concerning Dietary Properties of Food Purporting To Be Or Represented For Special Dietary Uses, would replace corresponding parts of an existing regulation issued in 1955, 21 C.F.R. Pt. 125. The other, entitled Part 80 — Definitions And Standards Of Identity For Food For Special Dietary Uses, embodies a new concept in regard to this type of “food.”2 Both were published in the *768Federal Register of August 2, 1973, 38 F.R. 20708-18, 20730-40, to become fully effective January 1, 1975. The primary statutory authority invoked for the Regulations lies in the first sentence of § 401:
Whenever in the judgment of the Secretary such action will promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers, he shall promulgate regulations fixing and establishing for any food, under its common or usual name so far as practicable, a reasonable definition and standard of identity, a reasonable standard of quality, and/or reasonable standards of fill of container.
21 U.S.C. § 341, and in § 403, which provides inter alia that a food shall be deemed to be misbranded
(j) If it purports to be or is represented for special dietary uses, unless its label bears such information concerning its vitamin, mineral, and other dietary properties as the Secretary determines to be, and by regulations prescribes as, necessary in order fully to inform purchasers as to its value for such uses.
21 U.S.C. § 343(j).
The proceedings which culminated in these regulations began with a Notice of Proposal To Revise Regulations published in the Federal Register of June 20, 1962, 27 F.R. 5815. Extensive revisions were made in response to comments, but numerous parties filed objections to the proposed revised regulations ■ and requests ’for a hearing pursuant to § 701(e)(2), 21 U.S.C. § 371(e) (2). The proposed regulations were accordingly stayed for an evidentiary hearing under § 701(e)(3), 21 U.S.C. § 371 (e)(3). This lasted ,for more than 22 months and developed a transcript of 32,405 pages, together with hundreds of exhibits and other record materials. In •the Federal Register of January 19, 1973, the FDA published proposed findings and conclusions and tentative versions of the regulations for a final round of exceptions and comments, 38 F.R. 2143 (1973). After considering these, the agency promulgated the final regulations.
As indicated, the novelty of the regulations lies in the FDA’s invoking, with respect to the many vitamins and minerals and the myriad combinations thereof, its power to prescribe a standard of identity under § 401. The new Part 80 begins, § 80.1(a), by describing as its object “dietary supplements of vitamins and/or minerals” which “purport to be or are represented for special dietary use by man to supplement his diet by increasing the total dietary intake of one or more of the essential vitamins and/or minerals specified in paragraph (f) of this section.” The regulation then goes on as follows:
(b) Classifications of dietary sup- . plements.
(1) A dietary supplement shall contain only those vitamins and/or minerals listed in paragraph (f) of this section and shall be offered for its vitamin and/or mineral content only in the following combinations, with the provision that any vitamin or mineral defined as optional in paragraph (f) of this section may be omitted:
(i) All vitamins and minerals.
(ii) All vitamins.
(iii) All minerals.
(iv) All vitamins and the mineral iron.
(v) Inclusion of the optional ingredients vitamin D and/or phosphorus in a multivitamin, multimineral, or multivitamin and multimineral supplement does not require inclusion of any additional optional ingredients. Inclusion of the optional ingredients biotin and pantothenic acid and/or copper and zinc in such products does not require inclusion of vitamin D and/or phosphorus when the latter two nutrients are optional. The inclusion of *769any of the other optional ingredients (biotin or pantothenic acid for vitamins and copper or zinc for minerals) requires the inclusion of both such optional ingredients if the product is a multivitamin or multimineral supplement, and requires the inclusion of all four such ingredients if the product is a multivitamin and multimineral supplement.
(2) A dietary supplement may also be composed of any single vitamin or mineral listed in paragraph (f) of this section.
Before going further it is necessary to refer to another major innovation in the regulations. The previous regulation had required, 21 C.F.R. § 125.3(a) (1) and (2), § 125.4(a)(1) and (2), that in the case of certain vitamins and minerals the label of a food represented for special dietary use should disclose the percentage of the designated “minimum daily requirement” which would be “supplied by such food when consumed in a specified quantity during a period of one day”; for other vitamins and minerals the requirement was merely that the label state the quantity of the nutrient contained in a specified quantity of such food. The regulations here under challenge substituted for “minimum daily requirements” a new concept of “U.S. Recommended Daily Allowances.”3 These are'stated, § 80.1(f)(2), to have been derived by the FDA from the Recommended Dietary Allowances published by the Food and Nutrition Board, National Academy of Sciences-National Research Council, and to be “subject to amendment from time to time as more information on human nutrition becomes available.”
Section 80.1(f)(1) sets forth “the permissible qualitative and quantitative composition of dietary supplements of vitamins and/or minerals” in the form of a table, as follows:
*770Section 80.1(c) requires that dietary supplements contain in the quantity specified in the label for consumption in one day by each population group listed in the table not less than the lower nor more than the upper limits there listed.
Rounding out the picture, §§ 80.1(h) (1) and (2) prescribe:
(h) Nomenclature.
(1) The common name of a dietary supplement shall consist of a term descriptive of the vitamin and/or mineral composition of the product, as established in paragraph (h)(2) of this section, together with a phrase or phrases designating the group (s) for which- the supplement is represented, as established in paragraph (h)(3) of this section (e. g., “multivitamin and multimineral supplement for children under 4 years of age”). The name of the dietary supplement shall appear prominently and conspicuously on the principal display panel(s) of the label. The letters of the phrase(s) designating the consumer group(s) for which the product is represented shall be no less than one-third the size of those used in the term descriptive of the composition of the product. In addition to the common name prescribed by this paragraph, a dietary supplement may be labeled with a proprietary name: Provided, That it is not false or misleading in any particular.
(2) The terms used-to describe the vitamin and/or mineral composition of' dietary supplements listed in paragraphs (b) (1) and (2) of this section shall be as follows: (i) “Multivitamin and multimineral supplement” for a dietary supplement containing all vitamins and minerals, (ii) “multivitamin supplement” for a dietary supplement containing all vitamins, (iii) “multi-mineral supplement” for a dietary supplement containing . all minerals, (iv) “multivitamin and iron supplement” or “multivitamin supplement with iron” for a dietary supplement containing all vitamins and the mineral iron, (v) “-supplement” for a dietary supplement containing a single vitamin or mineral listed as a mandatory or optional ingredient in the table contained in paragraph (f)(1) of this section (the blank to be filled in with the name of the vitamin or mineral).
Various exemptions are provided from the operation of Part 80, of which the most important are contained in § 80.1 (b)(5):
The provisions of this section shall not apply to any food which contains or consists of any vitamin or mineral listed in § 125.1(b) of this chapter [the same vitamins and minerals as those listed in the § 80.1(f)(1) table, supra], or any combination thereof, provided that all of the following requirements are met: (i) No such nutrient is contained at a level of 50 percent or more of the adult U. S. RDA per serving for that nutrient, (ii) No direct or implied representation is made on .the label, in labeling, or in advertising that the product is a dietary supplement or is adequate or appropriate for supplementing the daily diet with essential nutrients, and (iii) The product is labeled pursuant to the provisions of § 1.17 of this chapter [relating to nutrition labeling of foods].
and § 80.1(e) (5)-(7):
(5) Raw agricultural commodities (including marine products) and fabricated and other conventional foods to which single or multiple vitamins and/or minerals are added to improve nutritional quality, unless the total level (including any naturally occurring amounts) of any added vitamin or mineral per single serving attains or exceeds 50 percent of. the U. S. Recommended Daily Allowance (U. S. RDA) for adults and children 4 years or more of age as specified in § 125.1 (b) of this chapter, in which case the provisions of both this section and § 1.17 of this chapter shall apply. If the provisions of both this section and § 1.17 apply to a food, the labeling ot such food shall conform to the labeling established in this section except *771that the labeling established in paragraph .(c) of § 1.17 of this chapter, including the order for listing vitamins and minerals established in paragraph (c)(7)(iv) of that section, shall be used in lieu of the labeling established in paragraph (i) (1) of this section.
(6) Raw agricultural commodities (including marine products) which by their nature are sources of a specific vitamin(s) and/or mineral(s) at a level that, if it had been added, would have brought them within the definition of a dietary supplement. Such shall meet all the requirements of this section if they are represented as dietary supplements. Such foods may also be used as a source of specific vitamins and/or minerals in dietary supplements meeting the requirements of this section.
(7) A food with nutrients restored to pre-processing levels or added pursuant to § 1.8(e) of this chapter so that it is not nutritionally inferior to the food for which it substitutes and which it resembles.
Finally, two provisions of § 125.1 are parts of this basic regulatory scheme. Starting with a reference to § 125.1(b), which sets out the same vitamins and minerals as listed in the table reproduced above along with the U. S. RDA’s for the three classes of consumers there listed and a fourth class of “infants,”4 § 125.1(c) states:
(c) In addition to the vitamins and minerals listed in paragraph (b) of this section, vitamin K, choline, and the minerals chlorine, potassium, sodium, sulfur, fluorine, and manganese are recognized as essential in human nutrition, but no U. S. Recommended Daily Allowance (U. S. RDA) has been established for these nutrients. These nutrients are not appropriate for addition to general purpose foods or dietary supplements of vitamins and minerals but may be added to such other foods for special dietary use as infant formulas, and foods represented for use solely under medical supervision to meet nutritional requirements in specific medical conditions.
And § 125.1(h) states:
(h) Any product containing more than the upper limit of the U. S. RDA per serving (or where appropriate, per daily recommended quantity) of a vitamin or mineral as specified in § 80.1 (f) (1) of this chapter is a drug, except for conventional foods which contain naturally-occurring amounts in excess of these limits or which contain added amounts in excess of these limits pursuant to § 1.8(e) of this chapter so that it is not nutritionally inferior to the food for which it substitutes and which it resembles, and except as provided for in a specific regulation for such special dietary foods as infant formulas or foods which are represented for use solely under medical supervision to meet nutritional requirements in specific medical conditions.
It will be more convenient to defer description of other relevant provisions of the Regulations until subsequent discussion of them.
I. Jurisdiction
We must first deal with the claim of National Nutritional Foods Association, Solgar Co., Inc., and National Association • of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers that we lack jurisdiction to review eight provisions which these very petitioners have challenged. These are (1) § 80.1 (b)(2), which has the effect of restricting the quantity of a single vitamin or mineral that may be sold in a dietary *772supplement; (2) § 80.1(b) (5), which exempts certain foods from the operation of § 80.1 if those foods are sold in servings not exceeding 50% of the U. S. RDA’s and satisfy special label and labeling requirements; (3) the definition of “special dietary use” in § 125.1(a); (4) § 125.1(c), quoted above, which limits the inclusion of various nutrients for which RDA’s have not been established; (5) § 125.2(a), which requires the principal display panel of the label of food for special dietary use to bear a statement of the usefulness of the food, a requirement which these petitioners consider, in light of one of the Commissioner’s findings of fact (No. 3, 38 F.R. 20713 (1973)), to have the effect of prohibiting the listing and thus the inclusion of certain types and amounts of ingredients; (6) § 125.2(b), which prohibits six categories of statements in the labeling (as distinguished from the label) of foods for special dietary use, as well as § 80.1 (m), which incorporates by reference the label and labeling prohibitions contained in § 125.2(b); (7) § 125.2(b) (5), one of the six categories just mentioned, which prohibits the marketing of otherwise allowable foods for special dietary use if they contain ingredients the need for which in human nutrition has not been established; and (8) § 125.1(h), quoted above, which, with some exceptions, classifies as a drug any product containing in one serving or in the daily recommended quantity more than the upper limit of the U. S. RDA’s specified in the table.
The basis for the challenge to our power to review the eight provisions is this: The jurisdiction of a court of appeals under § 701(f) to review orders of the FDA is limited, so far as here pertinent, to orders promulgated under § 401, authorizing prescription of standards of identity, and § 403(j), authorizing the prescription of regulations concerning the labels of foods purporting to be or represented for special dietary uses.5 A regulation issued under other sections, such as § 403(a), which deems a food “misbranded” if its labeling “is false or misleading in any particular,” or § 701 (a), the FDA’s general authority “to promulgate regulations for the efficient enforcement” of the statute, must be challenged by an action in a district court. Compare Gardner v. Toilet Goods Ass’n, 387 U.S. 167, 87 S.Ct. 1526, 18 L.Ed.2d 704 (1967), sustaining a suit in the district court attacking a general regulation promulgated under § 701(a) concerning color additives despite the availability of review of a decision refusing to approve a particular additive in a court of appeals by a combination of § 706(d), 21 U.S.C. § 376(d), and § 701(f). See also Abbott Laboratories v. Gardner, 387 U.S. 136, 87 S.Ct. 1507, 18 L.Ed.2d 681 (1967). Any authority to promulgate the eight provisions, say these petitioners, must have arisen from sections of the Act other than §§ 401 or 403 (j).
Petitioners’ argument in the main confuses the question of jurisdiction with the merits. If the Commissioner rested his action on an arguable interpretation of §§ 401 or 403(j), our jurisdiction is not defeated by the possibility, even the probability, that we may ultimately reject his interpretation. As Mr. Justice Black pointed out in Bell v. Hood, 327 U.S. 678, 682-683, 66 S.Ct. 773, 90 L.Ed. 939 (1946), such a decision would be an exercise of jurisdiction, not a refusal to exercise it. And the case would not stand differently if, having rejected the Commissioner’s position under the cited sections, we should find his action sustainable under others. Having acquired jurisdiction on the basis of the Commissioner’s arguable invocation of §§ 401 or 403(j), we would be bound to decide the case as required by law. The situation *773is a fortiori to that where a federal court, having acquired jurisdiction of a suit challenging state action under 28 U.S.C. § 1343(3) because of a substantial constitutional claim, may decide pendent statutory claims over which it might not otherwise have jurisdiction because of lack of the required jurisdictional amount. See Rosado v. Wyman, 397 U.S. 397, 90 S.Ct. 1207, 25 L.Ed.2d 442 (1970); Hagans v. Lavine, 415 U.S. 528, 94 S.Ct. 1372, 39 L.Ed.2d 577 (1974); Almenares v. Wyman, 453 F.2d 1075 (2 Cir. 1971), cert. denied, 405 U.S. 944, 92 S.Ct. 962, 30 L.Ed.2d 815 (1972).
With the possible exception of § 125.1(h), all the provisions, review of which is claimed to lie outside our jurisdiction, were rested at least in part on §§ 401 or 403 (j). At this stage mere statement is practically sufficient to show that the FDA’s position was fairly arguable,6 as our subsequent discussion will demonstrate in greater detail. If § 125.1(h) stood alone, it would seem indeed that this was a regulation issued under the general rulemaking authority of § 701(a), interpreting the term “drug” in § 201(g)(1)(B), 21 U.S.C. § 321(g) -(1) (B),7 and that the petition to review should be dismissed as was done in an unreported order, Citizens for Truth in Nutrition v. Food and Drug Administration, No. 73-2826 (2 Cir., Mar. 4, 1974), where the court dismissed a petition to review an interpretive regulation issued under § 701(a), 21 C.F.R. § 3.94 and 3.95, requiring that preparations of vitamins A and D in dosages in excess of 10,000 and 400 international units, respectively, should be restricted to sale as “prescription drugs” under § 503(b) (1)(B), 21 U.S.C. § 353(b)(1)(B), and labeled accordingly. See National Nutritional Foods Ass’n v. Weinberger, 366 F.Supp. 1341, 1343-1344 (S.D.N.Y.) [denial of temporary injunction], aff’d, 491 F.2d 845 (2 Cir. 1973), 376 F.Supp. 142 (S.D.N.Y.1974) [dismissal of complaint], appeal pending. But here the provision stands as an integral part of a regulation colorably alleged to rest on §§ 401 and 403(j). The same important policy considerations of economy in judicial time which underlie the doctrine of “pendent jurisdiction” as viewed in other contexts apply a fortiori when the issue is whether a federal court of appeals with clear jurisdiction to review almost all provisions of a comprehensive set of regulations should finish the job or relegate a single provision to suit in a federal district court, possibly in another circuit, whose decision, of course, would be subject to appeal to a court of appeals.8
*774We hold that we have jurisdiction to consider all issues tendered.9
II. Standards of Identity
The hardest issues in the case are (1) whether the FDA has power to set standards of identity for dietary supplements in such a way that vitamin and mineral products containing vitamins and/or minerals in nonstandardized combinations or whose daily dosage of any nutrient as specified in their labels exceeds the upper limit of the U. S. RDA’s10 will be deemed misbranded under § 403(g), 21 U.S.C. § 343(g), see p. 775 infra, if they are offered for sale as foods; and, if so, (2) whether there was substantial evidence to support what the agency did. In this part of the opinion we shall deal with the issues generally, deferring to Part IV more detailed discussion of the evidentiary question with respect to the quantitative limits.
We should make clear at the outset that we do not at all join in the vituperation showered on the FDA by some of the petitioners.11 Confronted with a difficult problem, the agency developed an innovative solution.12 The questions for us are whether, giving the agency full credit for good intentions and according appropriate weight to its expertise, its action was within the powers that Congress has chosen to confer and is supported by substantial evidence. The conflicting considerations are neatly framed in two opinions of Mr. Justice Frankfurter. Writing of both the Food and Drugs Act of 1906 and the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1938 in United States v. Dotterweich, 320 U.S. 277, 280, 64 S.Ct. 134, 136, 88 L.Ed. 48 (1943), he said:
The purposes of this legislation thus touch phases of the lives and health of people which, in the circumstances of modern industrialism, are largely beyond self-protection. Regard for these purposes should infuse construction of the legislation if it is to be treated as a working instrument of government and not merely as a collection of English words.
But eight years later he warned in 62 Cases of Jam v. United States, 340 U.S. 593, 600, 71 S.Ct. 515, 520, 95 L.Ed. 566 (1951):
In our anxiety to effectuate the congressional purpose of protecting the public, we must take care not to extend the scope of the statute beyond the point where Congress indicated it would stop.
We begin by rejecting the argument of some petitioners that the FDA could not proceed simultaneously under *775§§ 401 and 403(j). Section 403(g) says that a food shall be deemed misbranded:
If it purports to be or is represented as a food for which a definition and standard of identity has been prescribed by regulations as provided by section 341 of this title, unless (1) it conforms to such definition and standard, and (2) its label bears the name of the food specified in the definition and standard, and, insofar as may be required by such regulations, the common names of optional ingredients (other than spices, flavoring, and coloring) present in such food.
21 U.S.C. § 343(g). The claim is that this exhausts the FDA’s power with respect to a label when a definition and standard of identity have been prescribed and that, conversely, label regulation under § 403(j) exhausts the agency’s power with respect to foods purporting to be or represented for special dietary uses. It is argued that the two subsections represent two contrasting and mutually exclusive regulatory philosophies, each appropriate only within its limited sphere: With respect to “foods with long histories of use,” the approach was to hold manufacturers to a “ ‘time-honored’ standard” by use of the standard of identity power and the accompanying limited authority of § 403(g); but with respect to the less familiar foods for special dietary use, “where there are no time-honored recipes and where the knowledge of the importance of vitamins and minerals to health is changing rapidly,” a requirement of full disclosure was thought better protection for the consumer.
This argument finds support neither in the language of the statute nor in its legislative history. In sharp contrast to § 403(i),13 nothing in § 403(j) restricts its applicability to cases where no standard of identity has been prescribed. The fair reading of the statute is rather that, in the case of foods for special dietary uses for which standards of identity have been prescribed, Congress wished to authorize the FDA to require label disclosure not only of optional properties, as in the case of other foods with standards of identity, but of mandatory ones as well. Nothing in the legislative history is persuasive to the contrary. The statement in Federal Security Administrator v. Quaker Oats Co., 318 U.S. 218, 230, 63 S.Ct. 589, 596, 87 L.Ed. 724 (1943), that the purpose of Congress was “to require informative labeling only where no such standard [of identity] had been promulgated, where the food did not purport to comply with a standard, or where the regulations permitted optional ingredients and required their mention on the label,” see also 318 U.S. at 232, 63 S.Ct. 589, was made with a view only to the interrelationship of subsections 403(g) and (i), and has no bearing on subsection 403 (j).
The evidence supporting the need for both a qualitative and a quantitative standard of identity was impressive. We set out below the more important findings of fact (omitting references):
3. The establishment of a standard of identity and quantitative limits for the nutrient ingredients in dietary supplements will reduce consumer confusion concerning choice of dietary supplements by insuring a basically rational formula for all products.
7. The sale and use of vitamin/mineral preparations in the United States are extensive, running into *776hundreds of millions of dollars annually in wholesale bulk value, and involve three-fourths of American households. The majority of such preparations differ qualitatively and quantitatively from each other, presenting a bewildering variety to the consumer.
8. Many dietary supplements are nutritionally irrational, in that they provide quantitative levels and qualitative combinations of nutrients for which no human individual need could possibly exist, if the products are used only as dietary supplements. Lay persons are incapable of determining, by themselves, whether they have or are likely to develop vitamin or mineral deficiencies.
9. Although approximately 20 percent of the users of dietary supplements of vitamins and minerals actually use those articles to supplement or balance their diet, more than 40 percent of those persons admit they have no idea which vitamins or minerals, if any, are not sufficiently supplied by their diet.
10. Certain basic vitamins and/or minerals should be included in all articles offered as multivitamin and/or multimineral supplements. The remaining group of appropriate vitamins and/or minerals are considered to be scientifically optional for inclusion. The mandatory group of vitamins and/or minerals found in multivitamin and/or multimineral supplements should include all those listed in the table entitled “Recommended Daily Dietary Allowances, Revised 1968” in publication 1694 of the National Academy of Sciences.
38 F.R. 20734-35 (1973). And again:
22. The establishment of qualitative and quantitative limits on the composition of dietary supplements will reduce consumer confusion concerning choice of dietary supplements by ensuring a basically rational formula for all products.
Id. at 20735. Although some petitioners have pointed up record references in these findings of fact which the FDA is mis-citing or misreading, and could have pointed up many more, nevertheless the agency had ample evidence to conclude that a consumer seeking a dietary supplement of a given vitamin or mineral, whether singly or in combination with others, is faced with a dazzling array of recommended daily dosages and that a consumer seeking a multiple supplement is faced with an equally dazzling array of combinations; that neither consumer is given any basis for intelligent selection ; and that it would “promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers,” Conclusion of Law |f 1, 38 F.R. 20737 (1973), quoting § 401, to promulgate the qualitative and quantitative standards of identity of new Part 80, see Conclusions of Law jfjf 2, 3, 38 F.R. 20737 (1973). An FDA compliance officer submitted a chart, not purporting to be exhaustive, showing 59 multivitamin and/or multimineral products he had found on the market. The number of ingredients ranged from a low of 9 to a high of 57, with all kinds of intermediate variations. The dosage per tablet or capsule of vitamin C, for example, ranged from 30 to 500 mg., and the compliance officer referred to hundreds of instances of labels showing a daily dosage of a given mineral or vitamin in excess of the RDA. Offering a specially acute example of this, Dr. Herbert, an FDA witness, cited a particular B12 supplement sold as a general dietary supplement which had 25 times the strength even a strict vegetarian would need. There was evidence from which the agency was entitled to conclude that consumers are ill-equipped to choose from this galaxy of offerings14 *777—as if the point would be in doubt in any event. And if expert testimony on the precise question of the usefulness of the standards of identity in overcoming all this was necessary, the FDA took the precaution of getting some — albeit of a conclusory nature.15
The FDA considers, with what seems to us, at least in general, cf. p. 783 infra, entirely sufficient reason, that neither the new label requirements nor additions that might be made to these will suffice to eliminate consumer confusion. The subject matter is simply too recondite and the offering of products too diverse for a label alone to be “clear enough so that, in the words of the prophet Isaiah, ‘wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein’ . . .,” General Motors Corp. v. FTC, 114 F.2d 33, 36 (2 Cir. 1940) (A. N. Hand, J.), cert. denied, 312 U.S. 682, 61 S.Ct. 550, 85 L.Ed. 1120 (1941). Thus, again passing to Part IV of this opinion special problems with respect to the propriety of using the U. S. RDA’s to set maximum daily dosages, and passing to Part V an important and related procedural objection, we hold the agency was justified, as a matter of good sense, in concluding that the stated purposes of § 401 would be furthered by promulgating qualitative and quantitative standards of identity in this area so as to allow for some 30-odd products (each with limited variability of daily dosages) rather than the hundreds now on the shelves of food and drug stores.
There remain, however, the questions whether the standards promulgated are within the agency’s general statutory power and, if so, whether they are “reasonable” within the meaning of § 401. Before considering these questions, it will be useful to review the authorities.
The Supreme Court has dealt with § 401 on only two occasions in the 36 years of the statute’s history. The first was Federal Security Administrator v. Quaker Oats Co., supra, 318 U.S. 218, 63 S.Ct. 589, 87 L.Ed. 724. Quaker Oats had been marketing a concededly wholesome and accurately labeled product as “Quaker Farina Wheat Cereal Enriched with Vitamin D” or “Quaker Farina Enriched by the Sunshine Vitamin.” The Administrator promulgated a standard of identity for farina which made no provision for the addition of any ingredient; he promulgated another standard for enriched farina which required the addition of prescribed minimum quantities of vitamin Bi, riboflavin, nicotinic acid and iron, ingredients of natural wheat lost in modern milling processes, and which allowed enrichment by vitamin D or certain minerals, see Quaker Oats Co. v. Federal Security Administrator, 129 F.2d 76, 78 (7 Cir. 1942), only as optional additional ingredients. The Quaker Oats product thus could not be sold either as “farina” since it contained the additional ingredient vitamin D, or as “enriched farina” since it did not contain the prescribed enrichment. The Court sustained the regulations.
The decision could perhaps have been rested on the basis that Quaker Oats had no real intention of marketing its product as farina simpliciter or as something clearly sui generis, and that its joinder of the words “farina” and “enriched” was misleading; the Administrator, this argument would run, was entitled to encourage and safeguard a belief on the part of consumers that “enrichment” would replace all the elements removed from natural wheat by the milling process, of which vitamin D is not one. But Chief Justice Stone preferred to uphold *778directly the barring of the product from sale as either enriched farina or farina.16 The Court began by mentioning that “[t]he composition of these enriched products [flours and farinas] varies widely,” 318 U.S. at 225 & n. 5, 63 S.Ct. at 594, although the cited variants were eight rather than the hundreds at issue here. It referred, in language entirely applicable here, to testimony by nutritionists that “such products, becaúse of the variety and combination of added ingredients, are widely variable in nutritional value; and that consumers generally lack knowledge of • the relative value of such ingredients and combinations of them.” Id. at 226, 63 S.Ct. at 594. As here, there was expert testimony tending to support a conclusion of consumer confusion and recommending the adoption of the definitions and standards. Id. at 226, 228-229, 63 S.Ct. 589. Thus, after referring to the statutory criterion of promoting “honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers,” Chief Justice Stone said that “[t]aking into account the. evidence of public demand for vitamin-enriched foods, their increasing sale, their variable vitamin composition and dietary value, and the general lack of consumer knowledge of such values,” there was sufficient evidence “to support the Administrator’s judgment that, in the absence of appropriate standards of identity, consumer confusion would ensue.” Id. at 228-229, 63 S.Ct. at 595. In the most critical passage of the opinion, the Chief Justice summed up, id. at 230-231, 63 S.Ct. at 596 (footnote omitted) :
The provisions for standards of identity thus reflect a recognition by Congress of the inability of consumers in some cases to determine, solely on the basis of informative labeling, the relative merits of a variety of products superficially resembling each other. We cannot say that such a standard of identity, designed to eliminate a source of confusion to purchasers— which otherwise would be likely to facilitate unfair dealing and make protection of the consumer difficult — will not “promote honesty and fair dealing” within the meaning of the statute.
Turning finally to the argument that “it is unreasonable to prohibit the addition to farina of vitamin D as an optional ingredient while permitting its addition as an optional ingredient to enriched farina,” id. at 231, 63 S.Ct. at 597, the Court said, id. at 232-233, 63 S.Ct. at 597:
We must reject at the outset the argument earnestly pressed upon us that the statute does not contemplate a regulation excluding a wholesome and beneficial ingredient from the definition and standard of identity of a food. The statutory purpose to fix a definition of identity of an article of food sold under its common or usual name would be defeated if producers were free to add ingredients, however wholesome, which are not within the definition ....
Since the definition of identity of a vitamin-treated food, marketed under its common or usual name,' involves the inclusion of some vitamin ingredients and the exclusion of others, the Administrator necessarily has a large range of choice in determining what may be included and what excluded. It is not necessarily a valid objection to his choice that another could reasonably have been made. The judicial is not to be substituted for the legislative judgment. It is enough that the Administrator has acted within the statutory bounds of his authority, and that his choice among possible alternative standards adapted to the statutory end is one which a rational person could have made ....
Although some petitioners contend that 62 Cases of Jam v. United States, supra, 340 U.S. 593, 71 S.Ct. 515, 95 L.Ed. 566, sounded a retreat from Quaker Oats, we *779do not consider it to be such.17 The case turned on § 403(c), which says that a food shall be deemed misbranded:
If it is an imitation of another food, unless its label bears, in type of uniform size and prominence, the word “imitation” and, immediately thereafter, the name of the food imitated.
21 U.S.C. § 343(c). The Court held that a product labeled as an imitation jam was not misbranded simply because it contained less fruit than would have been dictated by the standard of identity for a fruit jam. We need not determine whether this would permit a manufacturer to market a product containing less than the prescribed minimum limits for vitamins and/or minerals — or containing more than the maxima or a nonstandard combination — as an imitation; none of the manufacturer petitioners has expressed any desire to do this and none of the consumer petitioners has intimated any interest in having such products available.18
The cases in the courts of appeals certainly do not detract from Quaker Oats, as they hardly could, and may even go a bit beyond it in one particular hereinafter discussed, see note 20 infra. The leading ones are Libby, McNeill & Libby v. United States, 148 F.2d 71 (2 Cir. 1945), upholding the seizure as misbranded of a product, sold as “tomato catsup with preservative,” which contained sodium benzoate in addition to the prescribed ingredients for catsup; United States v. 20 Cases . . . “Buitoni 20% Protein Spaghetti,” 130 F.Supp. 715 (D.Del.1954), aff’d on the opinion below, 228 F.2d 912 (3 Cir. 1956), upholding the seizure of spaghetti containing 20% protein as against a permitted maximum of 13%; and, finally, a case which did not seriously test the limits of the agency’s statutory authority, Corn Products Co. v. HEW, 427 F.2d 511 (3 Cir.), cert. denied, 400 U.S. 957, 91 S.Ct. 354, 27 L.Ed.2d 265 (1970), upholding a regulation which required a 90% peanut content in peanut butter.
So far as concerns the statutory text, petitioners’ main argument is that, in fixing a standard of identity for “dietary supplements” of vitamins and/or minerals, the FDA has gone beyond its authority since this is not a “common or usual name” of a particular food but rather an imposed functionally oriented denotation of a class of foods. The statute says, however, that a reasonable definition and standard of identity shall be prescribed for a food “under its common or usual name so far as practicable” (emphasis supplied); Congress thus seems to have envisioned the possible need to prescribe a reasonable definition and standard of identity for a food or a class of foods under something other than “its common or usual name.” Moreover, our examination of the record discloses that, despite the enormous variations of content within the class of dietary supplements, vitamin and/or mineral preparations and multivitamin and/or multimineral preparations are commonly sold under the shared rubric “dietary supplement.” While this may initially have been due to a desire of the producers to make clear that they were operating under the label requirements of Part 125 rather than of § 502, 21 U.S.C. § 352, relating to drugs, nevertheless the name has become “common and usual” for the full range of such products. Indeed in light of this, given a product of the kind here at issue and giving the manufacturer credit for not harboring a therapeutic intent so that his product is not thereby classifiable as a drug, see Part III infra, the agency had every reason to conclude that such a product by its *780very existence “purports to be” what most people now know as a “dietary supplement.” Cf. Libby, McNeill & Libby v. United States, supra, 148 F.2d at 72-73; United States v. 20 Cases . “Buitoni 20% Protein Spaghetti,” 130 F.Supp. at 717-718; note 20 infra. The conclusion is in no way rebutted by a claim that “dietary supplement” describes a class of foods rather than a single food, since it is in the very nature of a standard of identity that it standardizes to a single formula (or here a selected group of formulae) what used to be a varied class of products. Any remaining objection must rather be to the purposes and consequences of delineating the class in a particular way, which brings us to petitioners’ second line of attack.
This is based on legislative history. As petitioners correctly point out, Congress’ dominant concern in enacting §§ 401 and 403(g) was to combat “economic adulteration.” One of the Senate Reports, S.Rep.No.361, 74th Cong. 1st Sess. (1935), in Dunn, Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act 237, 245-46 (1938) [hereinafter cited as Dunn], noted, for example, that “[b] utter [before enactment of the earlier Butter Standards Act] was found on the market with a fat content varying from about 66 to 85 percent or more. Some manufacturers deliberately worked water into their product, thus obtaining butter prices for water and at the same time curtailing the market for the dairy-farmers’ butterfat . . . Conditions similar to those which prevailed with respect to butter exist today with many other food commodities and can be corrected only by the action here authorized.” A later House Report on the same bill, H.R.Rep.No.2139, 75th Cong. 3d Sess. (1938), in Dunn at 815, 819, said, “One great weakness in the present food and drugs law is the absence of authoritative definitions and standards of identity except in the case of butter and some canned foods. The Government repeatedly has had difficulty in holding such articles as commercial jams and preserves and many other foods to the time-honored standards employed by* housewives and reputable manufacturers. The housewife makes preserves by using equal parts of fruit and sugar. The fruit is the expensive ingredient, and there has been a tendency on the part of some manufacturers to use less and less fruit and more and more sugar. ... By authorizing the establishment of definitions and standards of identity this.bill meets the demands of legitimate industry and will effectively prevent the chiseling operations of the small minority of manufacturers . . . .” Petitioners also place great reliance on a passage where the Senate Report went on to say that § 401 sought to prevent products with nonstandard — and generally cheapened — -recipes from being marketed under standard-product names, but was not intended to bar the marketing as a food of any recipe not proved harmful: “It should be noted that the operation of this provision will in no way interfere with the marketing of any food which is wholesome but which does not meet the definition and standard, or for which no definition and standard has been provided; but if an article is sold under a name for which a definition and standard has been provided, it must conform to the regulation.” S.Rep.No.361, supra, in Dunn at 246. The same thought appears in the House Report: “Under this a single reasonable standard of quality can be prescribed for any food and if the product falls below this standard it must be labeled as substandard [but can still be marketed].” H.R.Rep.No.2139, supra, in Dunn at 819.
Again we find several answers. The most obvious is that Congress was not focusing on any such problem as is presented here. Even if Congress’ paramount concern in enacting § 401 was with cases of economic adulteration, any limitation of the section’s scope to such instances would run afoul of the portion of Quaker Oats which sustained the banning of the vitamin D enriched product *781from sale even as farina.19 A rule that a standard of identity may never totally ban the sale of a product, provided only that it be labeled as substandard, may also have gone by the board with Quaker Oats; in 62 Cases of Jam, supra, 340 U.S. at 598, 71 S.Ct. 515, Mr. Justice Frankfurter seems to have read that case as holding that the product “could not be sold” in any form.20 Moreover, even if a prohibition of total bans might make sense in some situations, the present case is precisely the type of case where, under the logic of Quaker Oats, it would not apply. For while that decision establishes beyond question that Congress wanted § 401 to be read to cover some nonadulteration cases such as that here' in issue, so much of the legislative history earlier quoted as suggests a rule against total bans by use of the § 401 power was directed narrowly to adulteration and similar problems. The remarks in the Senate and House Reports to the effect that there will be no total bans thus say nothing more than that cheapened products may still be marketed, provided they are properly marked. But here, as in the “farina” branch of Quaker Oats, not cheapening but the variety of available products is the problem; to allow the total array to continue to be marketed under some other name — for example, by avoiding use of the term “dietary supplement” or any equivalent — -would, in such a special situation, render useless the § 401 power which we believe Congress intended to have available to the agency in a variety of unanticipated circumstances such as that now presented. The remarks in the legislative history regarding total bans simply do not speak therefore to cases such as that before us.21
*782The petitioners also argue that the standard of identity is not “reasonable” as required by the language of § 401 or, for similar reasons, is “arbitrary” or “capricious” within the terms of the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. § 706. Much of their fire here is directed at the upper limits; they say essentially that there can be nothing wrong in giving a consumer more of a good thing when there is no claim of toxic effect. But the argument ignores that the purpose of a standard of identity is not simply to protect against unwholesomeness or adulteration but to “promote honesty and fair dealing in the interest of consumers.” Advertising a potency in excess of the upper limits is bound to make consumers think they are getting a superior product when, in .the FDA’s view, they are not; furthermore, particularly in light of experience to date with the minimum daily requirements and passing still the appropriateness of the use of the RDA’s for this purpose, the agency was far from irrational in concluding that, at least in general, see p. 783 infra, the problem would not be fully obviated by prescribing a label statement that the potencies exceeded the RDA’s by particular amounts. Petitioners argue also that it is unreasonable to prevent a purchaser from obtaining any combination he may desire by restricting him to the FDA’s list of all vitamins and minerals, all vitamins, all minerals, or all vitamins and iron. So far as concerns the sophisticated purchaser this may well be so. But the FDA was entitled to give thought to the ordinary consumer, who may be harmed, for example, by purchasing a less inclusive combination while believing that he is getting everything he needs. Again it was far from irrational, at least as a general matter, for the agency to conclude that no label statement could fully meet this problem. Striking a proper balance among the interests of sophisticated and unsophisticated consumers is for the agency, not for a reviewing court.
Some petitioners urge that if a purchaser of a combination wishes more than the upper limit of some particular vitamin or mineral, he will be condemned to more than he wants of many others. But this ignores that such a purchaser, who by very statement is one of some sophistication, can avoid the problem by taking both the combination and the single vitamin.22 To be sure, even this may give him a dosage somewhat exceeding precisely what he desires,23 but again the FDA was entitled to weigh such disadvantages against what it considered the larger good.
Concededly, in each of the situations we have just discussed, the consumer who is disappointed by not being able to obtain precisely the dosage or combination he seeks in the standardized products is likely to find his costs somewhat increased if he sets about achieving the same result by purchasing larger numbers of a particular type of pill, or even by purchasing a little of this and a little of that. Such an increase in effective price, and the likely consequential de*783crease in unit sales by the manufacturers, is, however, a paradigmatic example of the kind of consideration the agency may find outweighed by public needs.
Finally, the fact that the agency chose not to extend the standard of identity requirements to the nonessential nutrients listed in § 125.2(b)(5), see n. 68 infra, when individually marketed in the limited manner permitted by that subsection, or, § 80.1(b)(5), supra, to vitamins and minerals in daily dosages less than 50% of the adult U. S. RDA not represented as dietary supplements and labeled in accordance with 21 C.F.R. § 1.17, cf. 38 F.R. 6951, 6959-61 (1973), in no way renders the regulation unreasonable or arbitrary within its selected sphere. The Agency might well have believed that the preclusion from marketing the exempted products as dietary supplements, together with the present and possible future provisions of § 1.17 specifically invoked by § 80.1(b) (5), would prevent these products from causing the same problems of consumer confusion presented by those products to which the Part 80 standards do apply; it might at the same time have believed that no such limitations on marketing technique could obviate the problem of confusion with respect, for example, to products which could honestly be said to contain very large dosages of essential nutrients, or even that it was precisely because of the drastic simplification of product displays sought by Part 80 as a whole that the limited § 125.2(b)(5) and § 80.1(b)(5) exemptions would be tolerable. In any event, it was for the agency to decide how far to reach with this particular remedial effort.24
Despite all this we are concerned that the all-or-nothing attitude adopted by both sides in this long and bitter controversy may have led the FDA into proscribing some combinations whose sale should be permitted under the standards of § 401 and into prescribing some max-ima where a good case can be made for allowing an excess. Cf. Staley Mfg. Co. v. Secretary of Agriculture, 120 F.2d 258, 260-261 (7 Cir. 1941). Without intending either to prejudge or to be exclusive, vitamin B complex may represent an example of the former and vitamin C, sold as a single vitamin, of the latter. It is hard for us to see how a bottle plainly and simply labeled vitamin B complex contributes sufficient confusion that the goal of honesty and fair dealing should require a consumer who desires the various types of vitamin B to purchase several bottles rather than one; similarly, and in light of the testimony as to particularly wide variations in philosophy concerning the optimal intake of vitamin C, we are not convinced as things stand that a consumer who believes a 500 milligram pill of vitamin C, a quantity now frequently sold, will maintain his optimal body stores should be required to purchase five or six pills of ninety milligrams each, at greatly enhanced cost.
Although the FDA has evinced some small concern for the need for such differentiation — and it was not particularly encouraged in this regard by petitioners —’we do not believe that it has gone far enough. In regard to the maxima, the agency did attempt, largely on the testimony of Dr. Sebrell, see pp. 797 infra, to update in scientific terms what was then the latest edition of the RDA’s with respect to particular nutrients, and there was also other sporadic testimony pro and con with regard to the upper limits for particular ingredients. But *784the agency made no effort to draw the parties into a comprehensive study of the possibility of raising some upper limits, and particularly of raising them even if scientific considerations were somewhat against it simply because such moves in selected cases might meet real and not altogether irrational market demands without contributing appreciably to consumer confusion, nor any particular effort to deal in its findings with such testimony on particular upper limits as did happen to arise. Neither has provision been made for ready flexibility along these lines in the future: The upper limits are to be responsive to RDA changes based on new nutritional knowledge, §§ 80.1(f)(2), 125.1(b)(1); but there is no provision that they be responsive, for example, to a demonstration that (1) vast multitudes of consumers and significant numbers of nutritionists reject, e. g., the FDA’s view that 500 mg. per day of vitamin C is without nutritional value, and that (2) the availability of such dosages as foods, clearly marked and flagged with necessary warnings, may not confuse anyone. On the present record it seems to us distinctly possible that such a demonstration could be made.25
With respect to combinations of less than all essential ingredients, the agency itself apparently recognized that it had given at most sporadic consideration to the possibility that some exceptions might be in order. Hence greater and procedurally more particularized future flexibility is presumably provided by § 80.1(b)(4), which we set out in the margin.26 It has long been settled that an agency may adopt a rule shown to be appropriate for the generality of instances and leave the correction of injustices to applications by those concerned, see The New England Divisions Case, 261 U.S. 184, 204, 43 S.Ct. 270, 67 L.Ed. 605 (1923), and we would, of course, expect the FDA to apply this subsection in good faith and with dispatch. However, while paragraph 3 of the preamble to the final regulation, 38 F.R. 20731 (1973), implicitly suggests that some petitions seeking such particularized amendments may have been received with the exceptions to the proposed regulations, the agency has not provided us with the relevant exceptions, nor with a listing of those (if any) which included § 80.1(b)(4) petitions, nor does the preamble contain any real assurance that the agency separately considered any such particularized applications that did come in. Compare 38 F.R. 20710, U 10 (1973). Moreover, even apart from the important point that the escape clause relates only to combinations and not to the maxima, it is not sufficiently clear to us on the wording of § 80.1(b)(4), and certainly not on the cryptic wording of paragraph 3 of the preamble, that the agency intends to evaluate § 80.1(b)(4) *785petitions in light of a balancing of freedoms infringed against the increased dangers of consumer. confusion which would be triggered by allowance of each additional product — as we believe the reasonableness requirement of § 401 requires it to do, in a manner set forth in greater detail below. Rather § 80.1 (b)(4) may suggest an absolute insistence on new scientific data similar to what would be required to modify the RDA’s. Finally, even if the FDA would apply the appropriate criteria in this area should § 80.1(b)(4) petitions now begin to flow, it would be commercially disruptive for a product to have to be withdrawn from sale in January 1975 only to be returned to the market in July.
In light of all these considerations, we direct that § 80.1(b)(4) be modified to permit upward revisions in the maxima for particular vitamins' or minerals and that the criteria be broadened to conform to the standards of § 401. We also believe the agency should receive and deal explicitly with applications for increases in particular upper limits and applications under the present § 80.1 (b)(4) before the regulations become effective. To this end we think it necessary to stay the regulations in their entirety, and not just those parts establishing the standard of identity, since, for example, a stay affecting only the standard of identity would force a Beomplex manufacturer to change over to the new label imposed by the new regulations while knowing full well that if his § 80.1(b)(4) application was denied his line would be off the shelves when the limited stay expired. We therefore order a stay of the regulations until six months after our judgment becomes final or June 30, 1975, whichever is later, a period which should be sufficient for the FDA to pass on at least the most meritorious applications both as to dosages and as to additional combinations.27
The FDA should establish dates for the filing of such applications and, if these should prove to be numerous, procedures to screen out the most meritorious for early hearing and decision. In determining whether it is “reasonable” to deny a particular application, the primary consideration must of course be the degree of increase in potential consumer confusion. Since the sheer variety of products is a central problem here, the applications will in a real sense be in competition with one another, and we do not expect a very large number to be granted. It would be reasonable in resolving this competition to favor products which, because of widespread prior publicity or even just because of simplicity of terminology, are unlikely to confuse many consumers when properly labeled. Indeed, we specifically direct that the FDA consider any such applications as to vitamin C in larger dosages and vitamin B complex supplements. Moreover, against any danger of slight increases in confusion should be weighed such factors as the following: (1) how large is the consumer demand for the product at present, and how widespread any expert belief that it is not an irrational product for a significant number of consumers;28 (2) how effectively could any potential confusion with respect to the particular product be reduced or eliminated by requiring on the label (A) with respect to a high dosage product, a legend to the effect that the FDA has determined this product contains quantities of such-and-such nutrient not normally essential to human health, or (B) with respect to a combination, a legend to the effect that the FDA has determined this product does not contain all the nutrients essential to human health;29 and (3) in the case *786of applications to exceed the upper limits, how dependable, if this can be determined, is the particular NS A RDA on which the upper limit is based relative to other RDA’s, cf. Part IY infra. We wish to make clear that, while it would defeat the purposes of Part 80 for a very-large number of such applications to be granted, either with respect to dosage limitations or with respect to combinations of less than all essential ingredients, we expect each application to receive the most serious consideration on its merits relative to the criteria just outlined. At the same time it should be obvious to the petitioners that we are broadly sustaining the regulations and that any attempt to convert the procedures we are here directing into something like a nearly complete reopening of the proceeding will be counter-productive. Indeed, if an avalanche of petitions for exceptions should occur, the agency would be justified in denying all applications (except those as to increased dosages of vitamin C and vitamin B complex supplements), without prejudice to subsequent renewal, on this ground alone. What we are doing is to provide the industry with another chance for individualized consideration of the most meritorious cases for exceptions. An exercise of responsibility on the part of the industry will be necessary if this is to confer the benefits we intend.
III. The Banning of Certain Essential Nutrients and the Classification As a Drug of Any Product Containing Quantities in Excess of the Upper Limits
Before examining the validity of the U. S. RDA’s for the purposes for which the FDA has used them, we shall consider two other matters which, although more comfortably seen in our view as elements of the standard of identity scheme, appear in Part 125 relating to Label Statements.
Section 125.1(c) recognizes that, in addition to the 12 vitamins and 7 minerals approved as mandatory or optional ingredients, cf. table at p. 769 supra, two other vitamins and six other minerals are essential to human nutrition. Nevertheless, because no U. S. RDA’s have yet been established for them, these are banned “for addition to general purpose foods or dietary supplements of vitamins and minerals,” although they “may be added to such other foods for special dietary use as infant formulas, and foods represented for use solely under medical supervision to meet nutritional requirements in specific medical conditions.” If this language left open any possibility that these vitamins and minerals could be separately sold as foods, this would be foreclosed by §§ 80.1(b)(1) and (2), and 80.1(f)(1), which effectively ban the sale as dietary supplements of any vitamins or minerals not on the approved list.
We see no sufficient basis for such drastic treatment. At argument, government counsel sought to defend it both as a labeling requirement under § 403(j) or (a), and as a § 401 standard of identity. The regulation and the appurtenant findings of fact, however, contain no suggestion of implicit misrepresentation with respect to these nutrients comparable to the asserted basis of § 125.2(b)(5), discussed at pp.' 804-805 infra, so as to justify § 125.1(c) under the labeling sections; and indeed, even where such a basis was asserted in § 125.2(b) (5), it evidently was not thought sufficient to justify a ban on separate sale. Thus, the only satisfactory view of § 125.1(e) is as part of the standard of identity scheme. As such, we hold the subsection is not “reasonable” within the terms of § 401. Assuming arguendo that bans on separate sale of nontoxic individual nutrients may at times be within the agency’s statutory authority, see note 21 supra, the agency has articulated no basis for invoking such an extreme remedy here — particularly when it is not invoked as to the § 125.2(b)(5) elements, which the agency considers of far lower, indeed of negligible, nutritional rank. Moreover, even if § 125.1 (c) were viewed exclusively as a ban on certain combinations, like § 125.2(b)(5), *787the evidence cited in support of the relevant finding of fact, If 3 at 38 F.R. 20713 (1973), would not suffice to make the subsection reasonable. The relevant cited evidence concentrates almost exclusively on the lack of need for supplementation of the § 125.2(b)(5) elements; indeed, the cited evidence would support § 125.1(c) with regard to the vitamin choline at most — although petitioners in number 73-2175 point to one piece of .additional testimony which might conceivably have supported it with regard to potassium and sodium as well. Finally, the failure of the FDA, after twelve years of proceedings, to fix U. S. RDA’s for the vitamins and minerals listed in § 125.1(c) cannot in itself render the provision “reasonable.”
Perhaps in the year that has elapsed since the regulations were promulgated the FDA has now arrived at these figures and the list of optional ingredients with U. S. RDA’s established can be readily expanded on remand. But in the meantime we shall enjoin enforcement of so much of the regulations as prohibits the inclusion of the vitamins and minerals listed in § 125.1(c) in general purpose foods,30 or as optional ingredients in dietary supplements, including dietary supplements for separate sale under § 80.1(b) (2). We leave it to the agency on remand to integrate these nutrients into § 80.1(b) (1) (v), by determining whether addition of one of them shall require addition of all, or shall require addition of .the other § 80.1(b) (1) (v) nutrients, and so forth.31
*788Petitioners also object, both as a matter of statutory authority and as a question of substantial evidence,32 to § 125.1 (h), providing, with certain exceptions intended to conform to the standard of identity exemptions in § 80.1(e), supra, that preparations containing more than the upper limits of the U. S. RDA per serving are drugs. This would implicate the many provisions of subchapter V of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, including the more elaborate label requirements of § 502, 21 U.S.C. § 352, and, potentially, the burdensome provisions of § 505, 21 U.S.C. § 355, for approval of “new drugs”; would involve petitioners in an elaborate investigation now being conducted by the FDA into the composition, labeling and sale of over-the-counter drugs, including “[vjitamin-mineral products,” 21 C.F.R. § 130.301(b)(8), with the possible result that their products could be sold only on prescription or under other limiting conditions, id. § 130.301(a) (5) (i); and might, we were informed at argument by counsel in numbers 73-2826 and -2834, result in various restrictions on sale in some states which automatically impose limitations on any product deemed a “drug” under federal law. In addition to defending on the merits,33 the FDA says that this provision was inserted ex gratia, since, without it, preparations exceeding the upper limits could not be sold at all. Whatever the purpose, petitioners attack the provision and are entitled to our judgment about it.
Section 201(g)(1) of the Act says:
The term “drug” means (A) articles recognized in the official United States Pharmacopoeia, official Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States, or official National Formulary, or any supplement to any of them; and (B) articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease in man or other animals; and (C) articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals; and (D) articles intended for use as a component of any article specified in clauses (A), (B), or (C) of this paragraph; but does not include devices or their components, parts, or accessories.
21 U.S.C. § 321(g)(1). Although the findings on which the FDA apparently sought to rest § 125.1(h) were evidently based on subdivision (B) of § 201(g) (1), see 38 F.R. 20170, ff 12 (1973); cf. id. at 20715, ff 44; id. at 20735, ff 11, government counsel now suggest that they could properly have been based on subdivision (A), since all the vitamins and presumably all the minerals with *789which we are here concerned are recognized in the official United States Pharmacopoeia or the official National For-mulary. If this argument be seriously advanced, a sufficient answer is the statement in Burlington Truck Lines, Inc. v. United States, 371 U.S. 156, 168, 83 S.Ct. 239, 246, 9 L.Ed.2d 207 (1962), that “[t]he courts may not accept appellate counsel’s post hoc rationalizations for agency action.” Moreover, the argument would prove too much, for it would lead to the conclusion that all vitamin and mineral preparations even within the limits are drugs — a position which would run counter to the regulations.
The FDA’s decision to handle as drugs all vitamin and mineral products in excess of the upper limits of the U. S. RDA’s rested essentially on the thought expressed in paragraph 12 of the preamble to Part 125, 38 F.R. 20710 (1973): “The hearing record discloses no known food or nutrition use of nutrients at such high levels, and no such uses were shown in the exceptions.” We believe that this mischaracterizes the record. As will emerge more fully in the next section of the opinion, dealing with the RDA’s as a basis for the upper limits in the standards of identity, a significant number of persons have indisputable nutritional need for potencies exceeding the upper limits; in particular, and by no means exclusively, this includes the large number of women taking oral contraceptives.34 In light of this, it cannot be said even as an objective matter that a given bottle of pills, each containing more than the upper limit of one or more nutrients, is not being used for nutritional purposes.
A fortiori it follows that the vendor of such a product can in good faith intend it for nontherapeutic use. Section 201(g)(1)(B) makes the vend- or’s intent the crucial element in the definition of “drug” here at issue, see also S.Rep.No.361, supra, in Dunn at 240, and the cases consistently have read that language for its plain meaning. While we agree that a factfinder should be free to pierce all of a manufacturer’s subjective claims of intent and even his misleadingly “nutritional” labels to find actual therapeutic intent on the basis of objective evidence in a proper case, such objective evidence would need to consist of something more than demonstrated uselessness as a food for most people. We therefore hold that § 125.1(h) is invalid.35
Our invalidation of this subsection in no way prevents high-dosage products properly labeled from being marketed as over-the-counter drugs. But under our ruling § 125.1(h) will cease to have any independent restrictive force.
IV. The U. S. RDA’s and the Prescription of Upper Limits
As has already appeared, the U. S. RDA’s serve two different purposes in the FDA’s regulatory scheme. One is the requirement, § 125.3(a), see note 4 supra, that “the label shall bear a statement of the percentage of the U. S. RDA of such vitamins and minerals, as set forth in § 125.1(b), supplied by such food when consumed in a specified quantity during a period of 1 day.” The other consists of the substantive provision, § 80.1(c)(1), that “dietary supplements described in this section shall contain in the specified daily quantity no less than the lower limit nor more than the upper limit of any nutrient specified in paragraph (f) of this section for the group(s) for which the supplement is offered.”
*790There is little controversy over the label requirement.36 Counsel for petitioners in Nos. 73-2746 and -2747 say expressly in their brief, p. 30 n. 33, “no one contests FDA’s power to require such a [label] statement pursuant to Section 403 (j).” And the reply brief of counsel in No. 73-2824, which, as we shall see, leads the attack on the RDA’s in other contexts, states at pp. 2 and 12:
Petitioner, Federation of Homemakers, supports and commends the agency for the development of a [sic] informational device which, if properly regulated and dearly explained to consumers, can be a major tool in eliminating much of the confusion and misunderstanding which pervades the vitamin market. . . It is the position of Petitioner, Federation of Homemakers, that when properly used as an information tool as indicated in in the NAS comment on the U. S. RDA the FDA has made a useful contribution to informing consumers and helping to provide clarifying information in the marketplace.
Similarly, as earlier mentioned, see note 10 supra, there is, and probably could be, no serious and separate objection, on an evidentiary basis or otherwise, to so much of § 80.1(c)(1) as proscribes the sale of a dietary supplement containing less than the lower limits of the U. S. RDA’s. In contrast there are violent objections to the use of the RDA’s to prescribe upper limits.
As indicated by our discussion in Part II, supra, any attempt to prescribe an effective standard of identity had to deal in quantitative as well as in qualitative terms. The bewildering array of products confronting the consumer varied in terms of potency as much as in terms of specific nutrients contained. Although petitioners loudly criticize the U. S. RDA’s they suggest nothing to take their place in a standard of identity; rather, as suggested most pointedly by petitioners’ reply brief in numbers 73-2746, 73-2747, and 73-2748, they would relegate the whole matter to a label which would say, at most, something like this: “The quantity of vitamin . . . contained in this product is five times what the FDA considers necessary for proper nutrition.” Yet, in light of experience with what amounted at least implicitly to a similar statement concerning the MDR’s, the FDA might well have entertained doubt that, at least in general, cf. p. 783 supra, such a warning would turn purchasers off rather than turn them on. While it was for the FDA to justify the regulations, not for the petitioners to show the agency what to do, we must be aware that invalidation of the upper limits would seriously impair, if not destroy, the value of the standards of identity.
Perhaps the central evidentiary attack on the maxima, which are generally 150% of the U. S. RDA’s37 is that the FDA misapprehended the purpose' of the National Academy of Sciences in promulgating the NAS RDA’s on which the U. S. *791RDA’s are based. This argument is most effectively presented in the reply brief in No. 73-2824, where counsel have reprinted a section entitled “General Considerations” from the NAS 1974 edition of Recommended Dietary Allowances, which, of course, was not available to the agency when it promulgated the regulations.38 Sample extracts from this are as follows:
RDA are estimates of “acceptable daily nutrient intakes” in the sense that, although the needs of most, individuals will be less than the RDA standard, there may be a small number who require more. . . . It is not possible to be more explicit about the relationship between RDA and the requirements of an individual; thus, it is only within the framework of statistical probability that RDA can be used legitimately and meaningfully.
This has important implications. It means that such general statements as “RDA include a large safety factor; therefore a diet that meets two thirds of the RDA standard should be adequate” have no validity. It will be adequate for some, inadequate for others and — without elaborate studies — there is no way of knowing who falls into which category.
All the “appropriate uses” of the RDA’s envisioned by the NAS involve evaluation of adequacy of food supplies or consumption patterns over a large population, and not for individuals. Thus, the categories of uses listed are “Planning and Procuring Food Supplies for Population Groups,” “Interpretation of Food Consumption Records in Relation to Assessment of Nutritional Status,” “Nutritional Allowances as Guidelines in Establishing Policy for Health and Welfare Programs,” “Use of RDA in Nutritional Surveys and Their Relation to Government Policy,” and “Nutrition Education.” Only in a final category, “Product Development, Nutritional Labeling, and Regulation of Nutritional Quality,” does the possibility of any kind of individual application emerge. And that possibility is confined to informational labeling and to the establishment of minimal levels of fortification for foods which lose nutritional value in processing.39 By way of demonstrating that the RDA’s are objectively inappropriate for uses other than these envisioned by the NAS, petitioners also emphasize that, on the basis of the FDA’s own findings, RDA’s provide an adequate intake of essential nutrients only for “essentially all of the normal healthy persons in the United States,” more specifically 95% to 99% of the “normal healthy” population; 40 that even this 95-99% range is apparently derived by excluding certain needs which petitioners regard as nutritional but the FDA considers therapeutic (e. g., increased needs for vitamins and/or minerals on the part of women taking oral contraceptives and persons who do not absorb vitamins well), and is derived by partially ignoring what is now a fairly widespread if minority belief that the “optimal” level of nutrition considerably exceeds that necessary to avoid clinical deficiencies; and that the experimental and other methods for developing the RDA’s are admittedly far from perfect and the state of current knowledge far from complete.
If the FDA had sought to prohibit ingestion of more than the maxima insofar as it could, even with the considerable *792safety factor arising from increasing the limit to 150%, which is superimposed upon the vitamins and minerals contained in the consumer’s basic food diet, see note 37 supra, we should indeed have found it impossible to sustain the regulations.41 But the agency has done nothing of the sort. Beyond the possibility that some applications for relief from the upper limits will be granted pursuant to Part II of this opinion, anyone who is not satisfied with the quantity of a vitamin or mineral permitted in a combination or in a separate pill can take as many more tablets as he likes. He will doubtless find this more expensive, but, as previously suggested, see p. 782 supra, the additional payment required in such cases had to be weighed by the agency against the savings from useless expenditures by purchasers of supplements containing far higher potencies than they require.42 The percentage of the population, whatever it be, who even under accepted scientific doctrine require dosages in excess of the upper limits have a similar recourse. Expert testimony on the advisability of adopting the maxima, in this limited way, was conflicting. Although the opinions of those experts who favored the maxima may seem to us somewhat the less thoroughly reasoned or at least the less thoroughly articulated, they were explicitly and not irrationally based on the fact that the RDA’s are the best tool of their kind available and are subject to constant revision; resolution of the conflicting expert evidence was therefore for the agency. Indeed, since anyone who wishes is free to take dosages in excess of the maxima, these may readily be viewed as just a very pointed informational device — and therefore as an application of the RDA’s which is explicitly approved, rather than effectively disapproved, by the NAS’ new edition, and which is by no means unreasonable, however imperfect the state of current nutritional knowledge.
In short, we cannot fault the agency, procedural issues apart, for adopting upper limits, generally 150% of the U. S. RDA’s, in its standard of identity.43
V. Refusal to Allow Dr. Robinson to Cross-Examine Dr. Sebrell
Section 701(e)(3) of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act is one of the relatively few federal regulatory statutes which require rules “to be made on the record after opportunity for an agency hearing” within the meaning of 5 U.S.C. § 553(c). See United States v. Florida East Coast Ry. Co., 410 U.S. 224, 238, 93 S.Ct. 810, 35 L.Ed.2d 223 (1973). Instead of being governed by the rather lenient standards generally imposed by § 553 with respect to rulemaking, such cases are subject to 5 U.S.C. § 556, the same section which governs adjudication. Subsection (d) of § 556 provides, inter alia, that
[a] party is entitled to present his case or defense by oral or documentary evidence, to submit rebuttal evidence, and to conduct such cross-examination as may be required for a full and true disclosure of the facts.
During the presentation of the FDA’s case, all parties were permitted liberal cross-examination.44 However, after the opposition began to offer its evidence *793almost eighteen months after the hearing commenced, the Hearing Examiner, evidently concerned about the length of the proceeding, decided to limit the rights of Participants to cross-examine the witnesses called by other Participants. In an order dated December 24, 1969, the Hearing Examiner “concluded that said Participants are in opposition to the said Stayed Regulations and that witnesses offered by such Participants would not ordinarily be considered to be hostile to the opposition to the said Stayed Regulations of any other such Participant.” If any Participant wished to cross-examine the witness of another, he was to serve a notice of intention to do so. The notice had to state that the written direct testimony of the witness was adverse to the interest of the Participant, make specific reference to the portion of the testimony considered to be adverse, and state the reasons therefor. The Hearing Examiner would determine whether to grant permission to cross-examine in his discretion. If such permission were granted, the Participant’s cross-examination was to be limited to those portions of the witness’ written direct testimony specified in the notice. On its face this was fair enough. As the Committee Report on the APA indicated, “The provision [§ 556(d)] on its face does not confer a right of so-called ‘unlimited’ cross-examination. Presiding officers will have to make the necessary initial determination whether the cross-examination is pressed to unreasonable lengths.” Sen.Doc.No.248, 79th Cong., 2d Sess. 271 (1946). See also, 2 Davis, Administrative Law Treatise § 14.15 (1958); Hamilton, Rulemaking on a Record by the Food and Drug Administration, 50 Texas L.Rev. 1132, 1149 (1972).45 The problem was created by the Hearing Examiner’s application of the order in the case of a particularly important witness, Dr. William H. Sebrell, Jr., who had been Chairman of the Committee on Recommended Dietary Allowances of the Food and Nutrition Board of the National Academy of Sciences-National Research Council, the body which had prepared the 1968 RDA’s whence the U.S. RDA’s were drawn. The scientific validity of the RDA’s was, of course, a question of central importance to the agency’s promulgation of the regulations and to this Court’s review of them.
Dr. Sebrell’s name had been included in the FDA’s list of witnesses in support of the proposed regulations. He was not called for the reason, as we were told at argument, that he was unwilling to support all of the FDA’s regulatory proposals.46 However, this change of plan was not made known in advance to the Participants,47 who had justifiably with*794held cross-examination of other FDA witnesses because these witnesses had less personal knowledge of the process by which the RDA’s were developed and, in many cases, testified before the final form of the 1968 RDA’s were made public.48
One of the principal opponents of the regulations was Dr. Miles H. Robinson,49 representing the National Health Federation (NHF). He had cross-examined the FDA witnesses persistently, doubtless too persistently.50 When Dr. Sebrell was ultimately called as a witness by the American Medical Association (AMA), Dr. Robinson served two notices of his desire to cross-examine Dr. Sebrell. It was explained to the Examiner that the interests of the NHF and the AMA were antithetical rather than identical, since the NHF was opposing substantially all the proposals, whereas the AMA was generally favorable, proposing only a few modifications 51 The Examiner declined *795to permit Dr. Robinson to cross-examine Dr. Sebrell, although he did allow such examination by Mrs. Janie A. Meeter (one of a group of individual consumer opponents), counsel for pharmaceutical manufacturers and a trade organization, and, of course, the FDA. The Examiner also denied permission to appeal his adverse ruling to the FDA. He later said he was standing by his ruling “so that we will have a clear-cut issue which can eventually be determined by the courts.” We must gratify his ill-chosen wish.
We recognize that a hearing examiner must be allowed, indeed encouraged, to take steps to avoid repetitious or aimless cross-examination, particularly in a rulemaking proceeding which had become so gargantuan as this. As the Administrative Conference has recommended, Recommendations and Reports of the Administrative Conference of the United States, vol. 2, Recommendation 71.7, If D (3), at 46,
If several participants with common interests desire to cross-examine a witness, the hearing examiner should encourage the participants to select a lead attorney or attorneys to conduct the cross-examination. In the absence of a showing of prejudice, participants with common interests should be grouped by the hearing examiner, and participants in a group should not be permitted to cross-examine witnesses called by other members of the group.
But here the NHF and the AMA clearly did not have “common interests”; the NHF was substantially as adverse to the AMA as it was to the FDA. Moreover, those who were permitted to cross-examine Dr. Sebrell either did not share common interests with NHF or were ineffective. Mr. Dym, counsel for the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association (PMA), cross-examined Dr. Sebrell after counsel for the FDA completed his cross-examinations.52 As the Hearing *796Examiner noted, Mr. Dym’s interest was limited “to develop [ing] with Dr. Sebrell aspects of the testimony which affected over-the-counter therapeutic preparations.” Indeed, the interests of NHF and PMA were in many respects adverse.53 Neither can the Examiner’s ruling be defended on the basis that cross-examination by another consumer representative was allowed. Mrs. Meeter, a housewife, lacked the professional skills essential for effective cross-examination of Dr. Sebrell. Whereas Dr. Sebrell’s expertise relating to the RDA’s was what greatly concerned NHF,54 Mrs. Meeter concentrated mainly on the problems of excluded nutrients and special individual nutritional needs and even in those areas had a great deal of difficulty in framing questions that could survive the objections of FDA counsel. In 21 pages of transcript she obtained answers to fewer than ten distinct questions; objections were sustained as to at least a dozen more and on four occasions the Examiner had to caution Mrs. Meeter about the drift of her questions. So far as concerned the RDA’s she succeeded only in obtaining from Dr. Sebrell general statements that they were up-to-date, that they will be periodically revised, and that they are based upon the best available information. This is in sharp contrast to the skills of Dr. Robinson, whose “ability to ask scientific questions” was recognized early in the hearings by the Hearing Examiner. Of course the Examiner could have limited the time to be allowed Dr. Robinson for cross-examination or taken other means to control Dr. Robinson’s persistence. But one must wonder at the brinksmanship that would imperil a hearing which had already lasted for some eighteen months and was to continue for almost five more by what the Examiner himself recognized to be an *797exclusionary ruling of dubious validity— even to the point of denying permission to appeal to the agency itself.55
A court reviewing an agency rule-making determination, even when governed by 5 U.S.C. § 556, is naturally disinclined to order a remand for failure to allow cross-examination, particularly on a record as enormous as this. Apart from the point which most trial lawyers have learned, through sad experience, that early dreams of confounding experts by cross-examination usually are dreams indeed, the court wonders how much more there would have been for the agency to learn. But Dr. Sebrell was no ordinary witness.56 The FDA had presented no other witness who was a member of the Food and Nutrition Board, which adopted the 1968 RDA’s, except Dr. Bernard Schweigert, whose direct examination was limited by the FDA to nutrient losses which occur as a result of the processing, transportation, storage, and cooking of foods and to a proposed regulation dealing with food fortification to overcome any such losses.57 When Dr. Robinson attempted to question Dr. Schweigert about the scientific validity of the RDA tables, the Hearing Examiner sustained the objection of FDA counsel that the question “is beyond the scope.”58 In contrast, Dr. Se-brell had been chairman of the committee that had prepared the RDA’s and on his own account had made many changes in adapting the RDA’s into the U. S. RDA’s that were incorporated into the .regulations; and his testimony is the sole authority cited in the findings for the validity of these derivations.59 The *798only other Board members who testified (except for Dr. Schweigert) were called by other Participants, and were thus as unavailable for cross-examination by Dr. Robinson as was Dr. Sebrell himself.60
The FDA is now fertile with suggestions how Dr. Robinson could have overcome the Examiner’s egregious error, e. g., by calling Dr. Sebrell as his own witness. But apart from other problems, we are not to take so lightly the command of Congress, whether wise or not, that in a rulemaking hearing governed by § 566 “a party is entitled . to conduct such cross-examination as may be required for a full and true disclosure of the facts.”61 The opponents of the regulations were entitled to probe into such important matters as how the RDA's were prepared,62 whether thosé who prepared them had any biases that might affect their judgment,63 what doubts they entertained, what inconsistencies there were,64 and how far the formulators intended the RDA’s to be applied for the purposes to which they have been put. It is no sufficient answer that this court now has a good deal of such information, particularly on the last point, in the General Observations to the 1974 edition, to which we have •referred in Part IV, and has not considered this to require invalidation of the regulations. The question rather is whether there is a significant probability that vigorous cross-examination of Dr. Sebrell might have caused the agency to adopt regulations differing from those that it adopted or have provided a record that would have affected the judgment of a reviewing court on the question of sufficiency. Since we cannot say in good conscience that there is not,65 we must, *799therefore, remand the case to the FDA with instructions to reopen the record for the limited purpose of permitting reasonable cross-examination of Dr. Sebrell (or, if he is not available, some other qualified member of the Board) by Dr. Robinson or counsel of some other similarly interested Participants.66
VI. Label and Labeling Requirements
We next consider the validity of portions of Part 125 not directly related to the problems heretofore discussed.
As earlier noted, several petitioners do not object to the basic requirement of § 125.3(a), that “the label shall bear a statement of the percentage of the U. S. RDA of such vitamins and minerals, as set forth in § 125.1(b), supplied by such food when consumed in a specified quantity during a period of 1 day,” to which we have referred at the beginning of Part IV. In any event we see no infirmity in it. Whatever objections there may be to the U. S. RDA’s when used as a basis for prohibiting the sale as dietary supplements of products exceeding the upper limits — and we have sustained these only because of the blatantly erroneous Restriction on the cross-examination of Dr. Sebrell, see Part V, supra — they have no such force when the U. S. RDA’s are used simply as measuring rods to inform the consumer what he is getting.67
In contrast, there is a chorus of objections concerning the requirements of § 125.2(b) with respect to labeling which we set forth in the margin.68
*800The most general objection is that § 403(j) authorizes the FDA only to prescribe contents for a “label,”69 whereas “labeling” is defined by § 201 (m), 21 U.S.C. § 321 (m), to mean “all labels and other written, printed, or graphic matter (1) upon any article or any of its containers or wrappers, or (2) accompanying such article.” It could be strongly argued that the power to prescribe the contents of a label must include the power to prevent labeling that would destroy the label’s integrity. However, it is unnecessary to decide whether § 125.2(b) could be supported on this ground since the FDA could and did draw on § 403(a), which provides that a food shall be misbranded “if its labeling is false or misleading in any particular.” We .therefore turn to the specific provisions of § 125.2(b).
(1) We shall not tarry long over § 125.2(b)(1). The FDA marshalled evidence that past sales of dietary supplements have often involved highly questionable claims as to effectiveness in the prevention, cure, mitigation, and treatment of diseases and symptoms; that consumers of these products have been confused and misled by. such claims; and that even more moderate claims of effectiveness have no scientific validity.
The FDA presented an impressive case, based largely on the records in seizure actions, of the exaggerated claims made on behalf of various vitamin and mineral products. “Golden 50 Tablets” were said by their sellers to give pep to the poSt-50 generation, to assist them in constipation problems, and even to enable them to withstand the noise of children! “Vitamins Concentrated Honey Alfa Tea” was said to be useful in connection with gout, ulcers, migraine, alcoholism, and bed-wetting. “Catalyn” was said to give one resistance to overweight, underweight, dropsy, prostate enlargement, and St. Vitus’ Dance. “Comfrey,” derived from a vigorous plant, was said thereby to increase virility. And another substance was claimed to be adequate in the treatment, inter alia, of mental disorders, cretinism, and poor teeth.
Evidence of consumer confusion about the efficacy of vitamins and minerals in the prevention, cure, mitigation, and treatment of diseases and symptoms was also clear. Ironically, some of the most effective evidence was provided in the form of about 50,000 letters received by the FDA.in protest against the proposed regulations, apparently as a result of a campaign by NHF, which showed that many people were taking dietary supplements to remedy ailments which their physicians had been unable to diagnose or cure and that some had been urged to do so by claims of therapeutic value made in the promotion of such supplements. There was also evidence that even truthful claims, such as that vitamin C would prevent scurvy and that vitamin Bi would prevent beriberi, were harmful and misleading.70 It was difficult to imagine *801a person in the United States whose diet would give rise to scurvy, and beriberi, which has ordinarily resulted from a diet consisting almost exclusively of rice, is equally rare in the United States; yet the broadcasting of such claims might frighten consumers into purchasing dietary supplement products they did not need. Finally, there was ample expert testimony of lack of any scientific basis for promoting vitamins or minerals as useful in the prevention, cure, mitigation, or treatment of any “diseases” or symptoms except nutritional deficiencies themselves and of gross exaggeration of the extent of the latter.
Against all this, petitioners relied upon evidence that many persons failed to ingest adequate amounts of vitamins and minerals; that vitamin and mineral deficiencies were associated with many diseases and symptoms; that physicians are often unable to identify some of the milder forms of vitamin deficiencies; and that it was therefore reasonable for consumers to purchase dietary supplements as “insurance” against the deficiency maladies brought to their attention by past promotional efforts. Petitioners also take issue with the FDA’s evidence of consumer confusion by attacking the competency of the witnesses presenting it.
Taking petitioners’ evidence in the light most favorable to them, it merely posed an issue and did not dictate a decision. Petitioners may still make some rather broad types of statements about the importance of essential nutrients of health.71 While the FDA might have presented more convincing witnesses on the subject of consumer confusion, still the witnesses who testified gave sufficient testimony on this score. We hold that there was substantial evidence to support § 125.2(b)(1).
(2) Much of the attack on § 125.2(b)(2) is bottomed on reading it to say more than it does. This is notably true of petitioners’ evidence that many Americans — careless eaters, the elderly, the poor, and persons enrolled in many weight-reducing programs — who do not eat a balanced diet are deficient in various nutrients. Nothing in the challenged regulation prevents a manufacturer from saying so.72 The regulation was aimed rather at scare advertising typified by a drug store counter sign which proclaimed, “The physician is faced, more and more, with the problem of restoring proper combinations of vitamins and minerals to the devitalized foods of the nation.” Such promotional techniques have been commonplace, as testimony and exhibits offered by the FDA amply demonstrated.
On the other hand, the portions of thé record that have been presented to us73 do not contain much evidence either to *802support or to controvert the FDA’s conclusion that a balanced diet of, ordinary foods can supply adequate amounts of nutrients.74 Perhaps the strongest support for this conclusion is that it is a tautology; since nature admittedly furnishes all the needed nutrients, a diet of “ordinary foods” that does not provide them is not “balanced.” Beyond that is the known fact that millions of Americans get along quite nicely without “dietary supplements.”
Nevertheless we are obliged to fault § 125.2(b)(2) with respect to iron, for there was strong and uncontradicted evidence that it was very difficult for women of child-bearing age and for children to obtain an adequate supply of this even from a balanced diet.75 On the remand we are directing, the FDA may either adduce further evidence on this point, or, as might be preferable, insert a proper qualification in § 125.2(b)(2).
(3) This provision was likewise aimed at scare advertising, of which the record contains several examples. However, in view of the, paucity of evidence that consumers have thereby been induced to purchase unnecessary dietary supplements, we shall examine whether the prohibited statement would be false.
The relevant findings of fact are as . follows :
37. Scientifically it is inaccurate to state that the quality of soil in the United States causes abnormally low concentrations of vitamins or minerals in the food supply produced in this country.
38. There is no relationship between the vitamin content of foods and the chemical composition of the soil in which they are grown.
38 F.R. 20715 (1973). Our review of the record makes clear that there was substantial evidence to support finding 38 and so much of finding 37 as relates to vitamins. The case with respect to minerals is closer since one of the FDA’s two witnesses cited in support of the validity of the statement contained in finding 37,76 Dr. William Allaway, later conceded that iodine and selenium contents in crops vary with soil composition,77 although iron content does not, and agreed that the following statement on dietary supplement labeling would be reasonable: “Plants grown on boron deficient soil may be deficient in Carotene or pro-Vitamin A.” However, such recondite exceptions, even if important in the context of the regulatory scheme pro*803posed by the FDA,78 would not seem to require us to invalidate § 125.2(b)(3) in view of the FDA’s interpretation that the regulation would not prohibit “[a]ny truthful claims, supported by adequate scientific data,' relating to the specific nutrient value of a product,” but would only proscribe “unsupported generalization that there is a general deficiency in the daily diet because of soil in which the food was grown.” ' 38 F.R. 20711 (1973) (emphasis added).79 We therefore uphold § 125.2(b)(3) on the understanding that the FDA will apply it in that light.
(4) This provision was supported by findings which read as follows:
39. Mineral nutrients in foods are not significantly affected by storage, transportation, cooking, and other processing.
40. While some vitamins are susceptible to partial destruction through the effects of heat, light, oxidation, and other physical and chemical reactions . , loss of nutrients from the ordinary effects of cooking, processing, transportation, and storage have not significantly impaired the nutritional quality of food in the United States. There is no need or scientific justification for recommending, for example, the routine use of dietary supplements of vitamins and minerals to offset losses that occur as a result of these processes.
41. It is reasonable to prohibit representation or suggestions in labeling, promotional material, or advertising of foods offered for special dietary use based on vitamin and mineral qualities, that imply that a dietary deficiency of vitamins or minerals exists or is threatened in the United States by virtue of loss of nutrients which occur [sic] from processing, transportation, storage, and cooking.
38 F.R. 20715 (1973).,
The evidence that minerals in food are not affected by transportation, cooking, processing, and storage was clear and substantial. The case with respect to vitamins, however, was otherwise. FDA witness, Dr. Bernard Schweigert, testified that, while some vitamins are stable (vitamins D and K), others may be destroyed by oxidation during storage (vitamins A, C, and E), light (riboflavin), and heat (many B vitamins).80 Consequently, if the regulation prohibited any statement that vitamins are lost during the storage, transportation, processing, or cooking of a food, we could not sustain it.
Once again, however, petitioners read the regulatory proscription too broadly. The FDA has said that it is not the intent of this provision to “preclude factually supportable statements that certain losses [in nutrient content] may be due to improper handling;” the target is rather the “unsupported generalization that there is a general deficiency in the daily diet because of . transportation, or processing methods used in preparing food.” 38 F.R. 20711 (1973).
The important point in this connection is not whether certain foods may suffer important nutrient losses but whether the overall daily diet, consisting of a number of foods each with its own nutrient levels, is inadequate. The expert opinion of Dr. Olaf Mickelsen was that, while diets consisting solely of a food seriously deficient in nutrients can lead to nutritional disorders, the inclusion of the wide variety of foods normally found in the daily diet eliminated any signifi*804cant danger. It is thus immaterial that, as one of the petitioners’ witnesses testified, 60% of the vitamin C in snap beans is lost in transportation and refrigeration. No one lives on a diet of snap beans, and citrus fruits are rich in vitamin C.
(5) This prohibition presents a special problem in that, while the first and fourth sentences and the proviso, like all the other provisions in § 125.2(b), deal only with labeling, the second and third sentences are substantive in effect.
Basic to the validity of all parts of § 125.2(b)(5) is the question whether there is substantial evidence that the four named ingredients or products “are of no significant value or need in human nutrition.”81 Stated as such, the proposition is questionable as to some of the substances.82 However, the FDA’s real meaning is made clearer in finding 3:
Many dietary supplements include named ingredients which are of no value as supplements to the human diet.
38 F.R. 20713 (1973) (emphasis added). With respect to the four substances named in this provision, this proposition was supported by testimony that, even when such substances do play some role in nutrition, there was no known evidence of need for supplementation.83 As to many others that have been included in dietary supplements there was no evidence of nutritional value at all. If subsequent research should show the need for such supplementation, the case would be appropriate for action under § 80.1(b) (4); if the standard of identity were modified to allow these as optional ingredients, § 125.2(b)(5) could not prohibit references to them in labeling.
With this much established, the validity of the first sentence of § 125.2 (b) (5) requires little further discussion. There was ample evidence that labeling of dietary supplements making reference to included nonessential substances was misleading. The FDA found:
3. . . [M]any consumers will purchase such products with long lists of ingredients, believing them to be of better value than products with a lesser number of ingredients. Such consumers believe that if an ingredient is listed, it must significantly contribute to the value of the product as a dietary supplement.
22. The establishment of qualitative and quantitative limits on the composition of dietary supplements will reduce consumer confusion concerning choice of dietary supplements by ensuring a basically rational formula for all products.
38 F.R. 20713 (1973). The record contains substantial evidence to support this part of the provision.
While one would have predicted loud protest against the proviso in the third sentence, apparently there is no direct challenge. In any event, as evidenced by United States v. An Article of Food . . . Labeled . . . Nu-clomin, 482 F.2d 581 (8 Cir. 1973) (where the product included inositol and para-amino-benzoic acid, two of the nonessential substances specifically mentioned in this provision), the FDA’s experience had shown that disclaimers of *805value did not solve the problem of the misleading effect of including such ingredients in combinations. Thus the FDA could well conclude that in the sale of products consisting solely of such nonessential ingredients a disclaimer could have the effect of calling attention to the potential nutritional value of the product, and it could therefore proscribe such disclaimers as misleading.
This leaves the substantive provisions of the second and third sentences. Since the named substances are reasonably deemed nonessential and since the first sentence is valid, the second and third sentences are easily sustained, for the power to establish a reaspnable standard of identity for dietary supplements necessarily includes the power to exclude from combinations ingredients that have not been shown to be useful for the purpose for which they are offered, even though they are harmless.84
(6) Most of the argument over this prohibition stems from petitioners’ reading into it language that is not there; they fear that the regulation would prohibit labeling that would merely disclose that the vitamin was natural and what its source was.85 However, the
Government’s brief construes the regulation as prohibiting only “representations that a natural vitamin is superior to an added or synthetic vitamin, or that there is a difference between vitamins naturally present and those that have been added,” Brief for Respondent at 44-45 (emphasis in original), and calls attention to a passage in the preamble to the regulations, 38 F.R. 20711 (1973), where the agency stated: “A factual and true statement of the origin of a nutrient is permitted, and only a claim of superiority is prohibited. This prohibition was , included because of widespread claims that nutrients of natural origins are superior to synthetic nutrients.” This is surely a permissible, indeed we think the only permissible, reading of the regulation. Since there was abundant evidence to sustain finding 26 :
There is no nutritional difference between a vitamin produced by a synthetic source and the same vitamin provided by a natural source, but the natural source may contain other ingredients which may limit the absorb-ability of the vitamin provided by the natural source.
20714 (1973),86 we uphold this regulation.
*806The upshot is that we sustain § 125.2 (b) in its entirety save for so much of § 125.2(b)(2) as prohibits appropriate statements about the adequacy of a balanced diet of ordinary foods to provide needed amounts of iron for women and children. On this the FDA on remand must either adduce additional probative evidence or include an appropriate qualification.
VII. Fresh Fruits and Vegetables
Sunkist Growers, Inc., petitioner in No. 73-2753, a cooperative of many citrus fruit growers in California and Arizona, complains in effect that any application of Part 80 to fresh fruits and vegetables, see § 80.1(e)(5), (6), supra, would contravene the two provisos of § 401 which we set out in the margin;87 Sunkist also complains that the definition of “special dietary use” in § 125.1 (a), which we likewise set out in the margin,88 is so broad as to include fresh fruits and vegetables, which, it is argued, would also be unauthorized, or at least arbitrary or capricious and thus violative of 5 U.S.C. § 706. On December 12, 1973, the Assistant General Counsel of the FDA wrote counsel for Sunkist, offering to stipulate that the regulations would not prevent advertising or labeling claims concerning vitamin or mineral content naturally occurring in fresh fruit or vegetables and would apply to such produce only in two eventualities.
One was that if vitamins or minerals were added to fresh fruits or vegetables so that the total level of any added vitamin or mineral per single serving (whatever that might be in the case of a vegetable) exceeded 50% of the U.S. RDA, cf. § 80.1(e)(5), supra, the product would be subject to Part 80. Since we cannot imagine natural produce, even as fortified, conforming to the standards of identity in that Part, the effect of this interpretation surely was to forbid such addition of vitamins or minerals to fresh fruits or vegetables offered for sale as foods. However, while the FDA could well have refrained from this refinement, we agree that such fabricated products are not within the intent of the provisos to § 401. Moreover, petitioner’s grievance seems theoretical since there is no evidence that any such practice has occurred or is intended.
The other set of qualifications was this: If fresh fruits or vegetables were represented as dietary supplements of vitamins and/or minerals', e.g., if oranges were sold as vitamin C supplements rather than with a simple state*807ment that they are a source of vitamin C, Part 80 would apply, cf. § 80.1(e)(6), supra; again, we take it that the consequence of this interpretation — given that nature has not conformed oranges to the FDA’s standard of identity — is that no such representation may be made with respect to fresh produce sold as foods. Also, if a fruit or vegetable were offered for sale for a particular dietary use, e.g., if lemons were advertised as a source of flavoring for persons on low sodium diets, Part 125 (but apparently not Part 80) would apply.
We think all this goes too far. The first proviso to § 401 rules out any standard of identity for most fruits and vegetables, and the second permits this for citrus and several other fruits only as to maturity and the effects of freezing. Nothing indicates that the making of promotional claims, e.g., that oranges are vitamin C supplements, should detract from the force of the provisos. And Part 125 simply does not fit fresh fruits and vegetables in their natural state. As petitioner says, the sheer variation in the content of oranges would seem to. make compliance with Part 125 impossible. On March 14, 1973, the FDA promulgated a new provision, § 1.17, cf. p. 783 supra, dealing with food labeling, 38 F.R. 6951, 6959; but, on November 28, 1973, in response to an attack on § 1.17 in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia by Sunkist and another organization, Civ. No. 633-73 (complaint filed April 2, 1973), the agency exempted fresh fruits and vegetables pending further rulemaking, 38 F.R. 32786. We think that proceeding rather than this one is the proper place in which to deal with claims as to the value of fresh fruits, or vegetables in their natural state as dietary supplements or to fulfill special dietary needs. We therefore enjoin enforcement of Parts 80 and 125 against them.
VIII. Other Procedural Matters
In this final section we deal briefly with a number of procedural objections in addition to the important one considered in Part V.
The most basic is the claim that the Hearing Examiner was appointed in violation of 5 U.S.C. §§ 3105 and 3344. These provide:
§ .3105. Appointment of hearing examiners.
Each agency shall appoint as many hearing examiners as are necessary for proceedings required to be conducted in accordance with sections 556 and 557 of this title. Hearing examiners shall be assigned to cases in rotation so far as practicable, and may not perform duties inconsistent with their duties and responsibilities as hearing examiners.
§ 3344. Details; hearing examiners.
An agency as defined by section 551 of this title which occasionally or temporarily is insufficiently staffed with hearing examiners appointed under section 3105 of this title may use hearing examiners selected by the Civil Service Commission from and with the consent of other agencies.
The contention is baseless, as was ruled six years ago in unreported opinion of Judge Tenney, National Dietary Foods Association, Inc. v. Cohen, No. 68 Civ. 2364 (S.D.N.Y., Aug. 29, 1968), with which we agree.- When it became apparent in early 1967 that a lengthy hearing' on .the proposed regulations would be required, the FDA had only one hearing examiner, who was otherwise engaged. “Rotation” of hearing examiners for purposes of § 3105 was thus not “practicable.”89 The detailing of an examiner from another agency similarly was not feasible because the Civil Service Commission discouraged the borrowing of examiners *808from other agencies under 5 U.S.C. § 3344 where the hearing was expected to exceed six months.90 With these statutory alternatives thus unavailable, the FDA determined that it was necessary to hire another hearing examiner on a more permanent basis. Accoi'dingly, the FDA requested the Commission to certify a list of eligible candidates. Of the seven who were recommended, only two manifested interest; the FDA selected David A. Harris,91 and his designation to hear this proceeding was announced on April 2, 1968, 33 F.R. 5268 (1968). Since the other examiner was occupied, Mr. Harris’ assignment complied with both the letter and the spirit of 5 U.S.C. § 3105.
Complaint is made that on several occasions the Commissioner of Food and Drugs and other FDA officials met with the Hearing Examiner without the presence of the parties or their counsel. The examiner prepared memoranda of these meetings, as well as of all other communications he had had with any party, and placed thes.e in a public file. The memoranda show that the objective of the meetings with the Commissioner and other FDA officials was not to influence the examiner’s decision on the merits but to get the protracted proceeding moving. The Hearing Examiner was directed to proceed expeditiously, hardly an unreasonable direction on its face, and petitioners make only conclusory allegations that such a direction had prejudicial effect upon them. It would scarcely have been practicable to invite all 104 participants to such meetings, although it might have been wise to secure the presence of a few representatives. We find no basis for reversal here.
A number of other challenges are made: that the Examiner invoked the provision of the APA, 5 U.S.C. § 556(d),-which permits a requirement that direct testimony be submitted in written form, only after the FDA had finished its own presentation; that he increased the number of hearing days from three to four per week and extended the closing hour from 4 to 5 p. m.; that some of his rulings on the admissibility of evidence prejudiced petitioners; that he displayed unwarranted hostility to Dr. Robinson and certain other representatives of petitioners; and that his policy of not allowing Dr. Robinson to cross-examine witnesses of other Participants, see Part V, supra, deprived petitioners of their rights of confrontation with respect to witnesses in addition to Dr. Sebrell. The first three challenges, involving matters well within the Hearing Examiner’s reasonable exercise of discretion, do not warrant discussion. It would have been better if the Examiner had shown more restraint with respect to petitioners’ representatives, but their examination had been needlessly long and argumentative, see note 45, supra, and a reviewing court should not be overly critical of an examiner who had to preside over a hearing of this length. Finally, whatever may be said of the propriety of the restriction of cross-examination of witnesses other than Dr. Se-brell, petitioners have made no sufficient showing that this could have affected either the agency’s action or our decision on review.
The petitions to review are granted in part and denied in part, enforcement of the regulations is'stayed as provided in Part II, and the cause is remanded to the FDA for further proceedings consistent with this opinion. No costs.
. Four petitions were filed in this circuit. On the representation of the FDA that petitions had been earlier filed in the Ninth Circuit, we transferred the petitions to that circuit, 28 U.S.C. § 2112(a), without prejudice to a motion to retransfer. The Ninth Circuit granted such a motion and also transferred the six petitions that had been filed there. Five petitions later filed in the District of Columbia Circuit were transferred here.
We have previously denied a motion by some of the petitioners to take the testimony of the Commissioner of Food and Drugs to determine the extent of his familiarity with the regulations and for related relief, or for the appointment of a special master to achieve similar ends, National Nutritional Foods Ass’n v. FDA, 491 F.2d 1141 (2 Cir. 1974).
. Neither regulation entirely conforms to its title. The Label Regulation contains at least two controversial substantive provisions, § 125.1(c) and (h), see also § 125.2(b)(5), dis*768cussed at pp. 804-805 infra, and the Standard of Identity Regulation contains various label requirements, including at least § 80.1(d) and (h) through (m).
. See note 4 infra.
. This tabulation in § 125.1(b) is incorporated by reference in § 125.3(a), which requires that a food “represented to be for special dietary use because of vitamin or mineral properties” must “bear a statement of the percentage of the U.S. RDA of such vitamins ■ and minerals, as set forth in § 125.1(b), supplied by such food when consumed in a specified quantity during a period of 1 day . If such purported or represented special dietary use is for persons within one or more groups for which the recommended daily allowance is set, such statement shall include the percentage for each age group.”
. Section 701(f) (1) permits any person who will be adversely affected by an order of the FDA promulgated under § 701(e) to petition the court of appeals for judicial review of the order. Section 701(e) sets out elaborate procedural requirements for issuing, amending, or repealing any regulation promulgated under § 401, § 403(j), and five other provisions of the Act not here pertinent.
. Sections 80.1(b)(2) and 80.1(b)(5) were clearly rested on the FDA’s authority to set standards of identity, § 401. Section 125.1 (e), while included in Part 125, which deals generally with labels, and indeed in a subsection of Part 125, § 125.1, entitled “definitions and interpretations of terms,” nevertheless is more akin to the provisions in Part 80 setting standards of identity and may therefore be said to arise under § 401. See note 2 supra.
Section 125.2(a) has every external in-dicium of having been promulgated under the FDA’s authority to prescribe labels for foods purporting to be or represented for special diestary use, § 403(j). While §§ 125.2(b) and 125.2(b)(5) deal with “labeling” and § 403 (j) in terms is limited to “labels” (a narrower category, see p. 800 infra), nevertheless the FDA made clear that it was relying in part on § 403(j) as authority. See 38 F.R. 20710 (1973) (final order), 38 F.R. 2149 (1973) (tentative final order), 31 F.R. 15730 (1966) (order staying the effective date of the regulations). Since, as we note later, the FDA’s assertion of authority to promulgate these two provisions under § 403(j) has some force, our jurisdiction is clear.
. The FDA unequivocally states that in promulgating § 125.1(h) it is giving content to § 503(b)(1)(B) of the Act, 38 F.R. 20710 (1973), and that it regards its actions in this regard as essentially interpretive under its authority in § 701(a) to promulgate regulations for the efficient enforcement of the Act. Brief for Respondents at 62.
. It is clear that petitioners are not prejudiced by this court’s review under § 701(f). Since this court deems § 125.1(h) to be an integral part of the regulatory scheme under review, it is subjecting that provision to the standard of review specified in § 701(f) (2), substantial evidence. If the' FDA had promulgated § 125.1(h) in ordinary rule-making outside the § 701(e) proceeding, review before a district *774court would have been on the basis of the less demanding standard of 5 U.S.C. §§ 706(2) (A)-(E).
Our ruling is in no way inconsistent with the unreported order of the court in Citizens for Truth in Nutrition v. Food and Drug Administration, No. 73-2826 (2 Cir., Mar. 4, 1974), supra, dismissing a petition to review a wholly separate interpretative regulation which had already become the subject of a suit for an injunction in the district court.
. The entire subject of the division of responsibility for review of agency action between the courts of appeals and the district courts is badly in need of study. See, with respect to the SEC, the splendid opinions of Chief Judge Seitz and Judge Adams in PBW Stock Exchange, Inc. v. SEC, 485 F.2d 718 (3 Cir. 1973), cert. denied, 416 U.S. 969, 94 S.Ct. 1992, 40 L.Ed.2d 558 (1974), and ALI, Federal Securities Code, Tent. Draft No. 3 (April 1, 1974) § 1514(a) and Comment at pp. 88-89. It may well be that in some respects the jurisdiction of the courts of appeals should be expanded, whereas in others the ruling of the district court should be subject only to discretionary review.
. No serious or specific objection appears to have been raised to the setting of lower limits —an objective clearly within the purpose and language of § 401.
. The attacks based on the First Amendment and other constitutional grounds are not sufficiently substantial to warrant discussion.
. Our respect for the agency’s initiative, however, does not extend to its drafting. The confused organization and wording of many parts of the regulations, and the rather careless marshalling of evidence to support even some findings of fact for which ample supporting evidence was available, have made this case considerably more difficult for all concerned than it had to be.
. This provides that a food shall be deemed misbranded:
(i) If it is not subject- to the provisions of subsection (g) of this section unless its label bears (1) the common or usual name of the food, if any there be, and (2) in case it is fabricated from two or more ingredients, the common or usual name of each such ingredient; except that spices, flavorings, and colorings, other than those sold as such, may be designated as spices, flavorings, and colorings without naming each: Provided, That, to the extent that compliance with the requirements of clause (2) of this subsection is impracticable, or results in deception or unfair competition, exemptions shall be established by regulations promulgated by the Secretary.
21 U.S.G. § 343(i) (emphasis supplied).
. While promotional abuses may not in themselves be sufficient to require resort to the standard of identity power, it is worth noting that manufacturers have frequently done then-best to reduce still further the consumer’s scant ability to select the product appropriate to his needs. An advertisement for Vital Foods, Inc., for example, featured Fero-B-Plex Vitamin B-Complex With Iron and boasted that “There is no other Vitamin B-Complex *777that can compare with FERO-B-PLEX for superior nutritional results. Once you use this famous formula, you’ll never again be satisfied with ordinary B-Complex products.” An advertisement for “Nutri-Time” announced “NEW! IN ONE SMALL TABLET . . . Never before have you been offered these vitamins and minerals plus other factors in these potencies;” 37 ingredients were shown and the potencies ranged up to 1500% of the adult MDR’s. Further examples abound.
. While there was expert disagreement as to the scientific meaningfulness of classifying ingredients as “mandatory” and “optional” rather than simply as “essential,” the agency was entitled to chose between the conflicting views.
. On the question whether Quaker Oats might still market the cereal in some way clearly differentiating it from either farina or enriched farina — a question of little or no real commercial significance — see p. 781 and note 20 infra.
. Mr. Justice Frankfurter, the author of 62 Gases of Jam, had concurred in Quaker Oats.
. Indeed, although at argument government counsel, apparently on the spur of the moment, mentioned the possibility of such marketing, his intention being to demonstrate that the regulations here at issue are not as restrictive as they might at first appear, the word “imitation” would be commercial death in an industry where naturalness is next to godliness.
. It might well also run counter to the Bmtoni case cited earlier in the text — • although it is not altogether clear that that court would have considered the issue to be before it, see 130 F.Supp. at 717, 718. There does not appear to have been evidence that the additional 7% of protein supplied by gum gluten was cheaper than an equivalent content of other items; for all that appears, it was just different.
Similar considerations, and in particular the very facts of the Quaker Oats case, suffice to refute the contention of some petitioners that, at least as to beneficial as distinguished from dilutant ingredients, the agency has authority only to prescribe minimum content levels and not maxima. See 318 U.S. at 232, 63 S.Ct. at 597 (“The statutory purpose . . . would be defeated if producers were free to add ingredients, however wholesome, which are not within the definition.”).
. Shortly thereafter, Justice Frankfurter intimated a slight retreat from this reading, suggesting that the possibility may have remained of Quaker Oats’ marketing its product as an “imitation,” 340 U.S. at 599, 71 S.Ct. 515; as previously noted, however, this refinement is of no consequence to the present case.
The Libty and Bmtoni cases, supra, may suggest even more strongly than Quaker Oats the legitimacy — apart from the special exception for “imitations” — of barring a wholesome product altogether from sale as a food. Although both were seizure actions, and therefore could not raise such questions in quite the same direct and general way as does a petition for review, see 130 F.Supp. at 717, 718; note 19 supra, the language of the two opinions makes it difficult to imagine that the courts deciding these cases would have allowed the two products there at issue to be marketed under any name and in any fashion that would have exempted them from the relevant standards of identity. Libby’s only interest was in marketing “a product that looks, tastes, and smells like catsup, which caters to the market for catsup, which dealers bought, sold, ordered, and invoiced as catsup . ” 148 F.2d at 73. Similarly, no changes in merchandising technique would have altered the fact that Buitoni’s product “looks like spaghetti in form, length and diameter. It is similar in color to other brands of spaghetti. Its retail packages are the same general size, shape, and physical appearance as those used by other spaghetti manufacturers. It is manufactured from the same raw material as spaghetti.” 130 F. Supp. at 717-718 (footnotes omitted). Although in each case the product name included the standard word “catsup” or “spaghetti,” we do not read the opinions as resting at all heavily on that ground. The fact is that, as a practical matter and the “imitation” exception aside, the Libby and Buitoni products were effectively banned from the market by those two decisions under § 401.
. It is to be noted in this regard that with one, or possibly two, sets of exceptions discussed in the next section of this opinion, the FDA does not seek altogether to bar any *782individual nutrients (as distinguished from particular dosages thereof) from separate sale. Therefore, while we shall find that in those two particular sets of instances any such total ban is unreasonable, it is not necessary for us to decide whether total bans on sale as foods of nontoxic individual nutrients would in all cases be beyond the agency’s statutory authority.
. If the agency determines that the procedure of taking multiple dosages of the stand’ ardized combination pills will appeal or is appealing to some unsophisticated purchasers as a means of getting more than the upper limit of some particular nutrient or nutrients, it may impose additional warning requirements concorning the wastage involved and, as to tlie fat-soluble vitamins, possible toxicity. The point is, however, that the agency has full discretion to determine that thin is a problem adequately met by a fully informative label (if it requires action at all), and that the problem of unsophisticated consumers confronting a dazzling array of combinations and dosages, on the other hand, is a more severe one requiring a more drastic solution.
. J£ dissatisfaction on this score is at all widespread, we can count on the free market to take full advantage of the § 80.1(b)(5) exemption and provide individual nutrients in finely gradated dosages up to 50% of the adult U.S. EDA.
. Even more clearly, there is nothing arbitrary or unreasonable, as some petitioners urge, in the agency’s exempting raw agricultural commodities and fortified substitutes therefor which are not represented as dietary supplements. Even apart from the question of statutory authority in this regard, compare Part YII infra, the fact that such products may offer enormous dosages of some nutrients does not compel a conclusion that they contribute to the same kind of consumer confusion that motivated promulgation of the Part 80 standards of identity — particularly when modes of use with regard to them are significantly regulated by longstanding dietary habits and by the sheer limitations of appetite.
. The exceptions of the parties to the tentative regulations, with which no one seems to have provided us, do not appear to have tested the agency’s flexibility in this regard. Apart from a special attack on the maximum (and minimum) figure for folic acid, 38 F.R. 20732, K 17 (1973), the only discussion we find in the preamble to the final regulation of the possibility of needing to increase the maxima appears in paragraph 14, id. This paragraph in no way suggests that the exceptions of particular parties urged increases in particular maxima, nor reflects agency consideration of sucli possibilities.
. (4) Addition to or amendment of the list of permissible combinations of vitamins and/or minerals contained in paragraph (b) (1) of this section may be proposed by the Commissioner of Food and Drugs,' on his own initiative, or upon petition by an interested person in accordance with the procedures set forth in Part 2 of this chapter. Any such petition shall be submitted in the form set forth in § 2.65 of this chapter, and shall include scientific data of a human nutritional and/or technological nature to support such addition or amendment as being consistent with the definition and purpose of dietary supplements as described by this section. The Commissioner, upon request, may extend the effective date of this section with respect to any particular product or class of products pending consideration and any administrative or court proceedings relating to any such petition, and may set a new effective date upon completion of the matter.
38 F.R. 20738 (1973).
. Of course, the FDA may extend the stay, or a party who has filed an application may ask us to do so.
. See also note 42 infra.
. Obviously, the manufacturer of a product in this latter category could be prohibited from, using the words “multivitamin” and/or ‘ ‘multimineral. ”
. Our holding, of course, has no bearing on standards of identity separately promulgated for individual general purpose foods.
. This order extends also to any nutrients recognized as essential in human nutrition but not mentioned anywhere in the regulations— neither in the list of mandatory or optional nutrients, nor in § 125.1(c) (and of course not in § 125.2(b)(5), see note 68 infra). Counsel in number 73-2175, both in his briefs and at argument, has said that many such ingredients, such as cobalt and celenium, are implicitly banned from all sale as foods just as the list in § 125.1(c) is explicitly so banned. Government counsel began by denying at argument that this was the impact of the regulations even with respect to the § 125.1(c) list; when in the end he conceded that this was the import of § 125.1(c), he did not make clear whether he also conceded that a number of unmentioned, presumably essential (but see findings of fact n 11, 12, at 38 F.R. 20713 (1973), discussed immediately infra) nutrients are banned as well. Any such ban, if the affected nutrients were in fact essential, would have even less basis than § 125.1(c) itself, since there is no indication that the agency has given tlie unmentioned nutrients any separate thought, but of. 38 F.R. 20710, 1f 10 (1973), and since with respect to them there would not even be provision for the infant-formula and medical-supervision exceptions incorporated in § 125.1(c) ; indeed, even if the affected elements were not essential, we would have difficulty finding such a ban “reasonable” under § 401 in light of the unexplained contrast that would be presented to the treatment of the § 125.2(b) (5) elements. With the agency evidently not having entertained these considerations, and indeed with its counsel uncertain as to whether it has banned the unmentioned substances at all, we see no point in our pursuing the matter further at this time; we do not propose, for example, to review the record as it bears on the essen-tiality of all the unmentioned substances, and thus to determine whether the ostensibly comprehensive listing of essential nutrients in paragraphs 11 and 12, 38 F.R. 20713 (1973), is supported by substantial evidence, since it is not clear what the impact of any such determination on our part would be. Rather we order the agency, evidently for the first time in any comj>rehensive way, compare If 10, 38 F.R. 20710 (1973), to direct its attention specifically to the unmentioned ingredients. It should first determine, based on the evidence in the record or additional evidence on remand and bearing in mind that §§ 80.1(b) (1), (2) and 80.1(f)(1) appear to ban any ingredients not specifically listed even from individual sales, whether it has omitted any essential nutrients. If so, these must be integrated, as we have already ordered with respect to the § 125.1(c) nutrients, into the list of optional ingredients and into § 80.1(b)(1) (v), pending the establishment of U.S. RDA’s for them. Beyond this, the agency should articulate its intentions with respect to those unmentioned elements which it finds not to be essential. If it means to handle all of them under the “such as” language of § 125.2(b) (5), then it should expand the list of examples in that subsection or in some other way more clearly delineate its scope. If, on the other hand, the agency does mean to ban some unmentioned, nonessential ingredients even from individual sale, then it must articulate *788the basis of distinction of such substances from those now listed in § 125.2(b)(5). Judicial review of the handling of the unmentioned substances cannot even begin until the FDA has clarified matters at least to the extent just outlined. We expect the agency to complete this process before expiration of the stay granted in Part II supra.
. Some petitioners direct a procedural attack as well, primarily concerning lack of notice, at § 125.1(h). In view of our holding that the x>rovision is substantively invalid, we need not consider this procedural argument — which we find of questionable merit in any event.
. The FDA claims inter alia that the issue of statutory authority, of. note 35 infra, has already been settled in its favor by the decisions, cited in Part I, supra, upholding other regulations, 21 C.F.R. §§ 3.94 and 3.05, requiring that preparations of vitamins A and D in dosages exceeding 10,000 and 400 international units, respectively, shall be restricted to sale as prescription drugs. But the dominant consideration in both those cases was the determination that the FDA had properly provided by rule that these preparations could be dispensed only on prescription by a physician under § 503(b)(1)(B), authorizing this in the case of a drug intended for use by man which
because of its toxicity or other potentiality for harmful effect, or the method of its use, or the collateral measures necessary to its use, is not safe for use except under the supervision of a practitioner licensed by law to administer such drug.
21 U.S.C. § 353(b) (1) (B). The decision that vitamins A and D in dosages above a given level were “drugs” at all was reached in the first opinion with a degree of ease obviously dictated by Judge Frankel’s view that they had properly been placed in the even more restrictive prescription category, and was reached in the second opinion without explicit treatment.
. It is to be noted also, although this is of course not dispositive, that many common foods contain potencies per serving considerably above the upper limits. We are told, for example, that six ounces of fried beef liver contains 18 times the upper limit of vitamin A and that a glass of orange juice contains 140% the upper limit of vitamin C.
. While we thus reach this holding as a question of insufficient evidence, we must agree with petitioners that an administrative interpretation in such direct conflict with a legislative definition might also be invalidated on the ground of exceeding the agency’s statutory authority,
. Petitioner in number 73-2748 does attack the reasonableness of imposing such a requirement with respect to products within the upper limits sold as foods while not at the same time imposing it with respect to higher dosage products sold as over-the-counter drugs. In context, however, we understand this argument to be intended not as an assault on § 125.3(a), but rather as part of the more general reasonableness attack, see pp. 782-783, supra, on the upper limits and on the standards of identity as a whole. In any event, it was perfectly reasonable for the agency to rely on the drug labeling provisions and the future course of the pending over-the-counter drug proceedings, see Part III supra, to handle the informing function with respect to high-dosage products which it chose not to reach with § 125.3(a).
. There are occasional exceptions to this ratio with regard to children under 4 and with regard to the category of older children and adults, and the general ratio does not apply at all with respect to the category of pregnant or lactating women.
Since for most people-with balanced diets, ordinary foods will supply all necessary vitamins and minerals (except perhaps sufficient iron, see p. 802 infra) without need of supplementation, supplementation by the maxima will provide them with 250% of what is deemed necessary.
. Although the Government’s brief says that the new edition “reduc[es] the RDA’s for several nutrients,” the publication makes a number of adjustments in each direction.
. The further suggestion of the NAS at the very end of its discussion of “Product Development, Nutritional Labeling, and Regulation of Nutritional Quality” that “for new products that are not identified in any way with traditional products but which might become important sources of energy, RDA expressed per 100 kcal could provide a standard for nutritional formulation,” and that this might include the setting of maxima per 100 kcal “to guard against possibility of hazardous excesses,” is irrelevant to the products at issue in the current proceeding.
. The record apparently contains no data showing how far these percentages might be increased as a result of the FDA’s having set the maxima at generally 150% rather than 100% of the RDA’s. Compare note 43 infra.
. Indeed, we already have found it impossible, in significant part because of the limitations of the RDA’s, to sustain § 125.1(h), classifying all vitamin and mineral products in dosages exceeding the upper limits of the U.S. RDA’s as “drugs.” See Part III supra.
. The amount of increase in the cost to higli-dosage consumers, with respect to commonly demanded dosages of a particular product, is one of the factors the agency may consider in evaluating applications for relief from individual upper limits pursuant to Part II of this opinion.
. There is nothing arbitrary or capricious, as petitioner in number 73-2824 suggests, in the agency’s “arbitrarily” choosing a safety factor of 50% over the U.S. RDA rather than, say, 100% or 5%. An agency which must draw lines is certainly free to allow those affected a bit more leeway than it would be required to do on the basis of the evidence before it; it need not justify the precise amount.
. The Hearing Examiner’s pre-trial Hearing Conference Order No. 7, June 17, 1968, stated generally that “the examination of *793witnesses shall be conducted in accordance with the practice generally accepted in American Jurisprudence and pursuant to the provisions of 5 U.S.C. Section 556 . . . .” More specifically, the order provided that, when a witness’ “direct examination . . . has been completed, ... he shall be cross-examined thereon by any participant desiring so to do . . . ” So liberal a rule not unexpectedly had its cost.
. Speaking of this very proceeding, Professor Hamilton said of the cross-examination during the FDA’s case:
[M]ost of the hearing consisted of repetitious and cumulative cross-examination of Government witnesses. Scientists and professional witnesses were asked to return on numerous occasions for additional cross-examination. One physician flatly refused to return; others, sensing a difficult and prolonged examination,' simply declined to testify. Because the FDA has no subpoena power, the desired testimony was lost.
. In his written direct testimony, he announced disagreement with the wisdom of § 125.2(b), which proscribes six categories of statements about foods for special dietary use. See Part VI, infra.
. Indeed the Participants were affirmatively, although we assume unintentionally, misled. Dr. Filer, an FDA witness, testified, when asked about the validity of the RDA’s,
We are cluttering up the record, taking my time and your time, to talk about something that is going -to be changed, and has been changed . . . . Dr. Sebrell will be here one of these days.
FDA counsel Reilly emphasized that everyone should wait, saying,
We intend to call Dr. Sebrell, who is the chairman ... [of the body] that promulgated these [1968 RDA tables].... [W]e will have to wait for the coming of Dr. Sebrell.
. FDA experts Filer, Grollman, Boehne, Hodges, Gyorgy, and Olson were available for cross-examination before the 1968 RDA’s were public. There would have been little point in cross-examining them closely as to the basis for RDA figures which were on the point of becoming obsolete.
. That Dr. Robinson was caught by surprise by the sudden change in rules is apparent in the forcefulness of his objection to it:
You have never denied this right to anyone before in this hearing. . . . You gave no notice of this. The precedent has been established that we would have the right to cross-examine these so-called friendly opponents . . . . There is no more frightening violation of justice than what you are about to do, Mr. Examiner. And I move that I be allowed to cross-examine this witness.
. At one point, obviously exasperated by Dr. Robinson’s persistence in cross-examination, the Hearing Examiner made perfectly clear his view of Dr. Robinson’s efforts:
Let me add one more word. Doctor, I have been extremely patient with you now for several months. If I arrive at the conviction that you are doing this deliberately and that it is your purpose to unduly extend this public hearing and in that way disrupt it and inconvenience all the people here involved I will not hesitate to exclude you. I am warning you.
. In an argument to the Examiner, Dr. Robinson explained what he considered to be the contrariety of the positions of the NHF and the AMA:
They are AMA witnesses, Mr. Examiner, and anybody with half an eye to see knows that the AMA wants these regulations to entrench its monopoly in the field of the practitioners of health. The chiropractors, Christian Scientist practitioners, and naturo-paths, every practitioner not [approved] by the AMA uses these food supplements in his work. If these are barred and taken off the market in full variety and full potency the AMA’s monopoly in the field of health is thereby further entrenched, and the National Health Federation has known this for many years now.
Furthermore, Mr. Examiner, the AMA is against do-it-yourself treatment [with] high potency harmless vitamins. That competes with the AMA doctors that want people to come to their office and pay, pay well, pay $15 for the visit, pay up to 30 times as much for the vitamin on prescription. There is a deadly collusion here, Mr. Examiner, between certain elements in the AMA leadership and the 101 billion-dollar food industry. If you carry out your prohibition to stop me from cross-examining on this, you are aiding and abetting that collusion, Mr. Examiner.
While Dr. Robinson’s rhetoric may have exaggerated the differences between the Participants, even the FDA acknowledged “that all non-government parties may not have been aligned in all respects.” Brief for Respondents at 80. Indeed, with regard to the Participant sponsoring Dr. Sebrell as a witness, the AMA, FDA counsel stated that “in large part they support the very type of regulation that we are issuing here and debating about.” A distinterested observer of the proceeding was moved to note, “In connection with this limitation on cross-examination, the examiner tended to treat all opponents of the proposed regulations as having parallel interests and denied most requests to cross-examine, even in situations where the general positions of the two parties were clearly antagonistic .” Hamilton, supra at 1149.
The reasoning process by which the Hearing Examiner arrived at his conclusion that the Participants to the proceeding could be divided into but two groups — the FDA and all the others — for purposes of determining which Participants were to be deemed to have the requisite adverseness for cross-examination is tortured and bears out Professor Hamilton’s observation that selection of so inexperienced a hearing examiner was “unfor-nate.” Id. at 1148. Since each non-FDA Participant was opposed to at least one part of the proposed regulations, reasoned the *795Hearing Examiner, all had a common interest — to oppose the adoption of the regulations as then written. It was perhaps his prior experience as a trial lawyer with the Government, suggests Professor Hamilton, that “tended to cause him to view the proceeding as a trial and the various parties to the proceeding as adversary litigants,” id. at 1148, for in explaining his ruling on the cross-examination issue the Examiner noted that “the proponent is the Government, while the participants, as adversaries of the proponent, are now presenting their defense to the proposed regulations . . . . The fact that the defense is not a joint defense is a matter of choice by the participants. That choice — that is, to present their cases in defense severally — does not operate to somehow make them [adverse] to each other, and entitle them to the right to cross-examine each other’s witnesses.”
That the AMA and NHF did not work out a “common defense,” however, was not a matter of “choiceno such “common defense” was possible. Much trouble would have been avoided if the Hearing Examiner liad recognized this obvious fact or if FDA counsel had tried to prevent him from falling into error.
. The FDA’s cross-examination of Dr. Se-brell, a witness offered by a Participant whose interests, under the Hearing Examiner’s scheme, were “adverse” to the FDA, was something short of aggressive. With respect to the crucial question of the scientific basis for the figures contained in the RDA tables, the FDA’s cross-examination yielded only the following:
Q. Now, Doctor, with respect to these tables . . . , generally, would you explain for us the method and rationale whereby you arrived at these figures? A. I believe this was explained fairly well in my direct testimony. These figures were derived from the recommended dietary allowances of the National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences ....
The- direct testimony to which Dr. Sebrell referred was merely descriptive and conclusory:
Q. In your opinion, is the table [containing the 1968 RDA’s] a suitable basis for a system of regulations of vitamin and mineral supplements, fortified foods, and other foods offered for special dietary use because of vitamin and mineral content? A. Yes.
Q. What is the basis for your opinion? A. Because it is the concensus of the best scientific opinion in this country. This document was prepared by about 15 subcommittees consisting of about 200 people. It was then approved and accepted by the entire Food and Nutrition Board.
The short of it is that at no time did the FDA attempt to go behind Dr. Sebrell’s assertion of the prestige of the Board as a basis for adopting the RDA figures and ask harder questions about the basis for the figures in scientific fact.
. Counsel for PMA noted generally that the division of Participants was “foolhardy,” “inaccurate,” and “tends to suggest that all parties other than the Government have similar interests, because the wording [in the Hearing Examiner’s order of December 24, 1969] is ‘other participants,’ which suggests all other parties are in one basket with similar interests, which obviously is not the case.” More specifically, Mr. Dym said that “it is obvious Dr. Robinson and his client and the client I represent are not united in interest in this proceeding.” Indeed, the Hearing Examiner himself appears to have agreed with Mr. Dym’s assessment in this respect.
. The EDA suggests that Dr. Robinson’s particular interest in cross-examining Dr. Sebrell was not apparent at the time to the Hearing Examiner. “[F]rom the record it is obvious that Dr. Robinson . . . simply desired to ask each and every witness to the proceeding repetitious questions . . . . ” Brief for Respondent at 83. The Hearing Examiner’s exercise of his discretion in refusing to allow Dr. Robinson to cross-examine Dr. Sebrell was reasonable, therefore, “since it is apparent that the cross-examination related to nothing more than argument on matters already sufficiently developed by the evidence.” Id. at 86.
Aside from the fact that NHF served two notices (January 6, 1970, and January 20, 1970) of its intent to cross-examine Dr. Sebrell, each notice naming him individually, Dr. Robinson made very clear in oral argument that NHF regarded Dr. Sebrell’s testimony to be of particular importance for sustaining the validity of the RDA tables:
In more detail, Mr. Examiner, why this testimony is adverse to the interests of the National Health Federation, Dr. Sebrell has testified extensively on 125.1 which upholds the FDA position that there shall be no more variety and no greater potency allowed than these stayed orders provide. ......[T]he main interest of the National Health Federation has been that the variety and potency of harmless vitamins not be restricted [Dr. Sebrell knows] a great deal . about how scientific the RDA’s are. And we challenge the scientific nature of these RDA’s, and we will argue that they are arbitrary ....
The FDA also suggests that Dr. Robinson’s notices of intent to cross-examine were virtually identical for all witnesses and were therefore justifiably given routinely negative treatment. While certain patterns of language do recur in the notices, nevertheless Dr. Robinson did identify specific and differing parts of the testimony of each witness in his notices. They cannot be said to be identical in this important respect.
Moreover, the Hearing Examiner could hardly be heard to confess surprise at Dr. Robinson’s special interest in Dr. Sebrell in view of the Examiner’s own observation during Dr. Sebrell’s testimony that “we are talking to a man who is one of the outstanding authorities in this country.”
. The fact that the FDA ultimately upheld the Hearing Examiner scarcely shows it would have done so if the issue had been presented at a time when reversal would not have been so costly.
The practice of agency hearing of appeals from truly critical evidentiary rulings by hearing examiners appears to have worked admirably in the SEC and NLRB. See 17 C.F.R. § 201.12 (codification of SEC Rule XII(a)), 201.11(e) (1973); 29 C.F.R. §§ 102.26, 102.41 (1972) ; Gellhorn and Larsen, Interlocutory Appeal Procedures in Administrative Hearings, 70 Mich.L.Rev. 109, 119-24, 130-34 (1971).
. Dr. Robinson had made this very clear. See note 54, supra. Counsel for petitioners in Nos. 73-2129 and 73-2166 also objected strenuously to being denied an opportunity to cross-examine Dr. Sebrell about the “rationale for the table prepared by” him. When counsel persisted in his objections, he was threatened with expulsion from the hearing room.
. The fortification program was to appear in § 80.2, a section which is not a part of the regulations here at issue. According to Dr. Schweigert, the program envisioned fortification of some foods at levels between 25 and 100 percent of the RDA’s.
. In fact, Dr. Schweigert did give some testimony about the validity of pre-1968 RDA’s for purposes of the food fortification program mentioned in note 57. He testified that those RDA’s, if met by the diet, would provide adequate nutrition for the majority of the population and that their use as a foundation for a food fortification program was reasonable. It is thus arguable that there was some basis in his direct testimony for questions during cross-examination about the scientific validity of the pre-1968 RDA tables, though his direct testimony in this respect was limited to the relationship between the then-existing RDA’s and a now defunct regulatory proposal for fortifying food. However, he was not permitted to respond to cross-examination questions about the validity of the tables.
. Dr. Sebrell’s personal role in the development of the derivations is apparent in his testimony. With respect to a change in the recommended level of thiamin, he said that the change was necessary “since in my opinion the proposed quantities are a little bit too low for safety and the slight increase indicated more nearly meets the physiological need.” In support of its finding (contained in Finding of Fact 36 for Part 80, 38 C.F.R. 20737 (1973)), that the table incorporated into § 80.1(f)(1) “represents a reasonable and scientifically accurate adaptation” of the 1968 RDA’s, the FDA cites only Dr. Sebrell’s testimony. Similarly the findings (contained in Finding of Fact 19 for Part 80, 38 F.R. 20735 (1973)) that the Food and Nutrition Board’s 1968 RDA’s “should be used as the source of authentic and reliable information on which to base a standard of identity for dietary supplements” and that the U.S. RDA’s “may reasonably be derived” from those 1968 figures rely entirely on the testimony of Dr. Sebrell. Finding of Fact 6 for Part 80, which lists ten essential minerals, relies only upon Dr. Sebrell’s testimony. Dr. Sebrell is also cited with others in support of the following Findings: 4, 5, 11, 12, 14, *79816, 17, 19 (Part 80, 38 F.R. 20734-35 (1973)); 7, 8, 9, 11, 13, 15, 44, 45 (Part 125, 38 F.R. 20713-15 (1973)). With respect to Part 125, Finding 12, listing the thirteen essential minerals, relies solely on Dr. Sebrell’s testimony (38 F.R. 20713 (1973)).
To be sure, other FDA witnesses generally supported the validity of the RDA tables in the regulations, see Finding of Fact 9 (Part 125, 38 F.R. 20713 (1973)), but none had the personal experience of Dr. Sebrell upon which to base such an endorsement and some of the critical Findings could be supported only by Dr. Sebrell among the FDA’s witnesses.
. The other Board members who were witnesses were Dr. Darby, Dr. Hand, and Dr. Mueller. Dr. Robinson gave notice of intent to cross-examine all three because, in his view, their testimony supported the FDA’s position on the RDA issue. His requests were turned down.
. In the words of the Senate Committee, “To the extent that cross-examination is necessary to bring out the truth, the party should have it.” Sen.Doc.No.248, 79th Cong., 2d Sess. 209 (1946), quoted in 2 Davis, Administrative Law Treatise § 14.15, at 328 (1958).
. Dr. Robert Harris, Emeritus Professor of Nutritional Biochemistry at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, characterized the Food and Nutrition Board’s efforts as guesswork. While Dr. Harris’ view may be unduly harsh, our examination of the record has turned up not a single instance in which the scientific processes by which the RDA figures were developed were subject to searching examination.
. Petitioners in No. 74-1055 assert that, because Dr. Sebrell was never under cross-examination by counsel for truly adverse Participants, his financial connections with the food industry (which arguably has an interest in lower RDA’s) through the Nutrition Foundation, which is dominated, we are told, by food interests and which subsidizes certain expenses of the Food and Nutrition Board, could never be explored. Any bias on his part, say petitioners, thus remains undiscovered.
. One apparent set of inconsistencies involves the number of minerals deemed to be “essential.” With respect to Part 125, the FDA has determined that there are thirteen essential minerals, see Finding of Fact 12, 38 F.R. 20713 (1973) ; for purposes of Part 80, essential minerals “include” only ten, see Finding of Fact 6, 38 F.R. 20734 (1973). In both cases, the same testimony by Dr. Se-brell is cited. While there is no inherent inconsistency between the two findings, one might wonder why there should be a difference.
. It can be argued that, to borrow Mr. Justice Fortas’ language in NLRB v. Wyman-Gordon Co., 394 U.S. 759, 766-767, 89 S.Ct. 1426, 1430, 22 L.Ed.2d 709 n. 6 (1969), in a somewhat different context, “to remand would be an idle and useless formality” since realistically “there is not the slightest uncertainty as to the outcome. . . . ” See also *799Timberg, Administrative Findings of Fact, 27 Wash.U.L.Q. 62, 69-70 (1941) (suggesting that the long run consequence of a decision to remand may be “the mechanical regurgitation of ‘canned’ findings on a subject as to which nobody can entertain any reasonable doubts concerning the [agency’s] opinion.”), quoted in 2 Davis, Administrative Law Treatise § 16.12, at 479. But we think it would be wrong for a reviewing, court to condone so flagrant a violation of 5 U.S.O. § 556(d) as occurred here. See NLRB v. Wyman-Gordon Co., supra, 394 U.S. at 780-783, 89 S.Ct. 1426 (dissenting opinion of Mr. Justice Harlan). We simply cannot assume that if Dr. Sebrell’s support of the 1968 RDA’s had been shattered by vigorous cross-examination, however unlikely that may be, the FDA or we would reach the same result.
. Such proceedings need not toll the filing and hearing of applications for exceptions under § 80.1 (b) (4), which we have directed in Part II. If the cross-examination of Dr. Sebrell should lead to a change in the regulations, this can be reflected in the decisions on such applications.
. Indeed, as previously mentioned, the “General Considerations” to the 1974 edition of the NAS’ Recommended Dietary Allowances, the very document so heavily relied upon by petitioners in attacking the use of the RDA’s to set maxima, see Part IV supra, deems “appropriate” their use in “informative nutritional labeling.”
. A food which purports or is represented to be a food for special dietary use shall be deemed to be misbranded under sections 201 (n), and 403(a) and (j) of the act (21 U.S.C. 321 (n) and (j)), if its labeling bears any statement, vignette, or other printed graphic matter that represents, suggests or implies:
(1) That the food, because of the presence or absence of certain vitamins and/or minerals, is adequate or effective in the prevention, cure, mitigation, or treatment of any disease or symptom, except that the label may state that the food is a source of an essential nutrient and that this nutrient is important for good nutrition and health, and except that this provision shall not apply to foods represented for use solely under medical supervision in the dietary management of specific diseases and disorders.
(2) That a balanced diet of ordinary foods cannot supply adequate amounts of nutrients.
(3) That the lack of optimum quality of a food, by reason of the soil on which that food is grown, is or may be responsible for an inadequacy or deficiency in the quality of the daily diet.
(4) That the storage, transportation, processing, or cooking of a food is or may be responsible for an inadequacy or deficiency in the quality of the daily diet.
(5) That the food has dietary properties when such properties are of no significant value or need in human nutrition. Ingredients or products such as rutin, other bioflavonoids, para-amino-benzoic acid, ino-sital, and similar substances which have in the past been represented as having nutritional properties but which have not been shown to be essential to human nutrition may not be combined with vitamins and/or minerals, added to food labeled in accordance with this section, or otherwise used or represented in any way which states or implies nutritional benefit. Ingredients or *800products of this type may be marketed as individual products or mixtures thereof: Provided That the possibility of nutritional, dietary or therapeutic value is not stated or implied. Examples of false or misleading statements or implications are:
(i) Label statements to the effect that their need or usefulness in human nutrition lias not been established.
(ii) Label statements which otherwise disclaim nutritional, dietary or therapeutic value.
(6) That a natural vitamin in a food is superior to an added or synthetic vitamin, or that there is a diffrence between vitamins naturally present and those that have been added.
38 F.R. 20718 (1973).
. The Act defines “label” in § 201 (k), 21 U.S.C. § 321 (k) : “The term ‘label’ means a display of written, printed, or graphic matter upon the immediate container of any article
. That truthful statements may have deceptive results and may therefore be proscribed is not new learning. Interpreting a predecessor statute of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act containing a provision deeming as mis-branded any food “if the package containing it or its label shall bear any statement, design, or device regarding the ingredients or the substances contained therein, which . . . shall be false or misleading in any particular,” the Supreme Court observed a half century ago that “deception *801may result from the use of statements not technically false or which may be literally true. The aim of the statute is to prevent that resulting from indirection and ambiguity, as well as from statements which are false.” United States v. 95 Barrels of Vinegar, 265 U.S. 438, 443, 44 S.Ct. 529, 531, 68 L.Ed. 1094 (1924).
.. Under the terms of the regulation, “the label may state that the food is a source of an essential nutrient and that this nutrient is important for good nutrition and health.”
. The FDA clearly acknowledges that persons who fail to eat a balanced diet for one reason or another may not ingest adequate amounts of some nutrients. Indeed, during the rulemaking process it modified § 125.2 (b) (2) to take account of this fact. 38 F.R. 20711 (1973) (“To further clarify this prohibition, the phrase ‘balanced diet’ will be substituted for ‘diet,’ since it is obvious that an unbalanced or poor diet could be deficient in nutrients.”)
. Although our order of January 15, 1974, called for a deferred joint appendix pursuant to F.R.A.P. 30(c), the parties, without seeking our advance approval, decided at the last moment to disregard our direction. We refused to aj)prove their “agreement” in lieu of a joint appendix, directed them to file copies of the portions of the voluminous administrative record on which they intended to rely, and warned that we would not feel bound to search out other portions of the record (which has remained at the FDA office in Rockville, Maryland, for convenient use by all parties) although we reserved the right to do so. Among the portions of the record not furnished to us are pages cited by some i>eti-tioners to show that the food supply provides *802generally inadequate amounts of vitamin B6, folaein, and magnesium. If petitioners wished us to take account of these, they should have filed copies of the relevant pages as we directed.
. The FDA’s approach on this question was passive and seems to reflect the assumption that its conclusion must be taken as true until proven otherwise. See 38 F.R. 20710 (1973) (“No evidence, except for testimony which related to specific segments of the population, such as that contained in paragraph 45 of the Proposed Findings of Fact [relating to the iron needs of women and children, of which more infra], is contained in the Hearing Record to establish that a diet of ordinary foods cannot satisfy all nutrition needs.”)
.. Indeed, the FDA made a finding of fact that “it is often impractical to supply the iron needs of adult women with conventional foods, and iron supplementation is often advisable. ... In addition, the iron requirements of infancy and of the latter half of pregnancy are clearly in excess of what may be obtained from a conventional unfortified diet.” 38 F.R. 20715 (1973).
. The FDA’s other witness, Dr. Victor Herbert, was never seriously shaken from his testimony that evidence compiled by the Department of Agriculture does not support any contention that a dietary deficiency in minerals may be the result of loss of nutritive values in foods as a consequence of the soil on which the food is grown and that persons making such claims are staking out a position “contrary to the vast body of literature.”
. This concession is supported by a number of other witnesses and by a proposed finding of the Hearing Eixaminer that soils in different parts of the United States are deficient in one or more nutrients and that a soil deficient in iodine, selenium, or zinc would produce plants with lesser concentrations of these minerals. Proposed Finding of Fact 412.
. It should be noted that the substances referred to in the proi>osed statement are not seen as essential nutrients by the FDA.
. Since, as the Hearing Examiner found, see note 77 supra, soil deficiency is very much a local matter and since most people eat foods grown in a variety of locales, it is difficult to believe that even a national patchwork of local areas with soils in varying degrees deficient in various minerals could give rise to a “general deficiency in the daily diet.”
. Such losses can be quite substantial. Dr. Schweigert testified that cooking may reduce the levels of thiamin, pantothenic acid, and vitamin B12 by as much as 50 percent in foods.
. As to any ingredients other than the four named ones which the agency may mean to cover by the “such as” and “similar substances” language of § 125.2(b)(5), see note 31 supra.
. In the absolute sense, there is little question that some of the substances which may not be combined with essential nutrients are of significant value in human nutrition. There was evidence, for instance, that inositol “definitely” played “a significant role” in human nutrition.
. Inositol may reasonably be deemed nonessential because, according to the testimony of Dr. Olaf Mickelsen, even when persons were deprived of outside sources of it in an experiment, no inositol deficiency developed. The body is evidently capable of manufacturing its own supply of this substance. Similarly, biotin, a vitamin in the vitamin B group, was deemed nonessential because there is no known deficiency condition which could require supplementation by it.
. Of. United States v. An Article of Food . Labeled . . . Nuclomin, supra, where the court noted, in connection with a dietary supplement portrayed by its manufacturer as harmless, “it is immaterial to a question of misbranding [under § 403] whether the condemned article is inherently dangerous or harmful or whether it may in some way be beneficial.” 482 F.2d at 585.
. Counsel for National Nutritional Foods Association, Solgar Co., Inc., and National Association of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers fear that this provision “is so broad as to suggest that any statement in the labeling, other than a mere listing of the ingredients on the label of a vitamin product that it is made from natural sources, would constitute a prohibited claim, suggestion or implication that natural vitamins are superior to synthetic vitamins.” Their fears are perhaps understandable in light of finding 27:
A large number of dietary suplements on our domestic market advertise or otherwise call attention to the claim that their ingredients are “natural” or derived from “natural sources.”
which makes no reference to claims of superiority, and finding 28:
More than half of the people in the United States are likely to choose foods for special dietary uses that contain ingredients described as “natural” or derived from “natural sources” in the belief that “natural” foods are superior to “synthetic foods.”
38 F.R. 20714 (1973).
. Some petitioners also argue that the source of vitamins is relevant for a consumer choosing among vitamin supplements because natural vitamins are often accompanied by other known nutrients or unidentified nutritional factors which may eventually be found useful in human nutrition. With respect to the independent nutritional importance of many such substances accompanying natural vitamins, however, Dr. Victor Herbert pointed out that those substances could as easily be harmful as beneficial. In any event, the regulatory proscription relates only to the value of the vitamin in and of itself.
. Provided, That no definition and standard of identity and no standard of quality shall be established for fresh or dried fruits, fresh or dried vegetables, or butter, except that definitions and standards of identity may be established for avocadoes, cantaloupes, citrus fruits, and melons . Any definition and standard of identity prescribed by the Secretary for avocadoes, cantaloupes, citrus fruits, or melons shall relate only to maturity and to the effects of freezing.
21 U.S.C. § 341.
. (a) The term “special dietary use” as applied to food (including dietary supplements) used by man means a particular use for which an article purports or is represented to be used, including but not limited to the following:
(1) Supply a special dietary need that exists by reason of a physical, physiological, or other condition, including but not limited to the conditions of convalescence, pregnancy, lactation, infancy, allergic hypersensitivity to food, underweight, overweight, diabetes mellitus, or the need to control the intake of sodium. The use of an artificial sweetener in a food, except when specifically and solely used for achieving a physical characteristic in the food which cannot be achieved with sugar or other nutritive sweetener, shall be considered a use for regulation of the in take, of calories and available carbohydrate, or for use in the diets of diabetics.
(2) Supplying a vitamin, mineral, or other dietary property for use by man to supplement his diet by increasing the total dietary intake, except for foods for which nutrition labeling is used as required pursuant to § 1.17 of this chapter.
(3) Supplying a special dietary need by reason of being a food for use as the sole item of the diet.
. The legislative purpose of the rotation requirement, to prevent “an agency from disfavoring an examiner by rendering him inactive,” Sen.Doc.No.248, 79th Cong., Sess. 280 (1946), was in no way subverted by the FDA’s action in selecting Examiner Harris.
. National Dietary Foods Association, Inc. v. Cohen, supra, Memorandum Op. at 3. In view of the expected length of the proceeding, the FDA’s staffing problem could hardly be called “temporary” within the meaning of § 3344. Moreover, even if the staffing need could be characterized as temporary, the language of § 3344 is permissive and not mandatory.
. The contention of the National Health Federation that, in oases where rotation of hearing examiners within the agency is impossible, the Civil Service Commission and not the agency must select the examiner misses the point that § 3344 and the Civil Service Commission’s role under it come into operation only when an examiner is to be borrowed temporarily from another agency. Such was not possible in this case.