dissenting.
I share the jurisdictional views of my brother Frankfurter. Even so, since the Court decides the case on the merits, I feel it appropriate to deal with it on that basis, since the case is important and my views about it differ widely from those of the Court. I feel impelled to do so, more particularly, for two reasons: (1) The record, in my opinion, reveals something quite different from that which the Court draws from it; (2) this case involves an area of federal-state relations — the right of States to establish and administer standards for admission to their bars — into which this Court should be especially reluctant and slow to enter. Granting that this area of state action *277is not exempt from federal constitutional limitations, see Schware v. Board of Examiners, ante, p. 232, decided today, I think that in doing what it does here the Court steps outside its proper role as the final arbiter of such limitations, and acts instead as if it were a super state court of appeals.
The following is what I believe to be an accurate statement of the issue to be decided. California makes it one of its requirements concerning admission to its Bar that no one be certified to the Supreme Court who advocates the overthrow of the Government of the United States or of California by force or violence. It also requires that an applicant be of good moral character. The applicant has the burden of proof in showing that these requirements have been met. Petitioner, under examination by the designated state agency, made unequivocal disavowal of advocacy of the overthrow of the Government by force or violence. With a view to testing the reliability of this disavowal, and the moral character of petitioner, the Bar Examiners questioned him about organizations to which he belonged, especially current or past membership in the Communist Party. Petitioner persisted in refusing to answer these questions despite the entirely reasoned and repeated efforts of members of the Committee to secure answers. His refusals were not based on a claim that the questions were irrelevant to an examination of his fitness under California „ law. The refusals were based solely on the ground that constitutionally the Committee was limited to asking him whether he advocated the overthrow of the Government by force and violence, and having asked that question, it could ask him no related question.
On the basis of the foregoing circumstances, the Supreme Court of California refused to overrule the finding of the Bar Committee that he had not qualified for admission to the Bar.
*278The question for this Court is whether in so refusing petitioner admission to the Bar, California through its Supreme Court deprived petitioner of liberty and property without due process.
At the outset there should be laid aside certain things which are not involved in this case. The Court does not find wanting in any respect California’s requirements for admission to the Bar — that an applicant (a) must be “a person of good moral character,” 1 and (b) must not be an advocate of the overthrow of the Federal or State Government “by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means.” 2 Nor does the Court question the state rule of practice placing the burden of proof on the applicant in both respects.3 The Court does not hold that the First or Fourteenth Amendment entitled Konigsberg to refuse to answer any of the questions put to him by the Bar Committee,4 or that any of such questions were irrelevant or improper. The fairness of the four hearings *279accorded Konigsberg is not attacked in any respect.5 The Court’s decision rests wholly on the alleged insufficiency of the record to support the Committee’s conclusion that Konigsberg had failed to meet the burden of establishing that he was a person of good moral character and not an advocate of violent overthrow of the Government. The Court says:
. . we are compelled to conclude that there is no evidence in the record which rationally justifies a finding that Konigsberg failed to establish his good moral character or failed to show that he did not advocate forceful overthrow of the Government. Without some authentic reliable evidence of unlawful or immoral actions reflecting adversely upon him, it is difficult to comprehend why the State Bar Committee rejected a man of Konigsberg’s background and character as morally unfit to practice law.”
This makes the record important. Before turning to it, however, it will be well to revert to the true character of the issue before us. The Court decides the case as if the issue were whether the record contains evidence demonstrating as a factual matter that Konigsberg had a bad moral character. I do not think that is the issue. The question before us, it seems to me, is whether it violates the Fourteenth Amendment for a state bar com*280mittee to decline to certify for admission to the bar an applicant who obstructs a proper investigation into his qualifications by deliberately, and without constitutional justification, refusing to answer questions relevant to his fitness under valid standards, and who is therefore deemed by the State, under its law, to have failed to carry his burden of proof to establish that he is qualified.6
I do not understand the process of reasoning by which the Court attempts to make a separate issue out of petitioner’s refusal to answer questions, and then, in effect, reads it out of the case because California has not constituted such refusal an “independent” ground for denying admission. What the State has done, and what the Bar Committee repeatedly warned the petitioner it would do,7 is to say that the petitioner’s refusal to answer questions made it impossible to proceed to an affirmative certification that he was qualified — i. e., that his refusal placed him in a position where he must be deemed to have failed to sustain his burden of proof. Whether the State was justified in doing this under the Fourteenth Amendment is the sole issue before us, and that issue is not susceptible of the fragmentation to which the Court seeks to subject it. I am unable to follow the Court when it says, on the one hand, that on the issue of petitioner’s qualifications “we must, of course, take into account the Committee’s contention that Konigsberg’s failure to respond to *281questions was evidence from which some inference of doubtful character and loyalty can be drawn,”8 and, on the other hand, that the Committee was not entitled to treat petitioner’s refusal to answer as a failure on his part to meet the burden of proof as to his qualifications.
Of course California has not laid down an abstract rule that refusal to answer any question under any circumstances ipso facto calls for denial of admission to the Bar. But just because the State has no such abstract statutory rule does not mean that a Bar Committee cannot in a particular case conclude that failure to answer particular questions so blocks the inquiry that it is unable to certify the applicant as qualified. In other words, what California has done here is to say that the Committee was justified in concluding that refusal to answer these questions under these circumstances means that the applicant has failed to meet the requirement that he set forth his qualifications affirmatively. Thus I think the Court is quite mistaken in stating that “the Board itself has not seen fit, at any time, to base its exclusion of Konigsberg *282on his failure to answer.” I turn now to the State’s brief and the record, which show, it seems to me, that failure to answer was the reason for exclusion.
I.
I had not supposed that it could be seriously contended that California’s requirements for admission to the bar do not authorize the rejection of a candidate for constitutionally unprotected obstruction of a valid investigation into his qualifications under such requirements. Cf. Schware v. Board of Examiners, supra (concurring opinion). And it is unmistakable from the State’s brief in this Court that California does claim the right, in the circumstances of this case, to reject the petitioner for his refusal to answer the questions that were relevant to his qualifications under the State’s requirements for admission to the Bar.9 The following appears on pp. 56-59 of that brief:
“Even where no serious doubt arises with respect to an applicant’s qualifications, it is standard practice to inquire into many personal matters which a person is normally privileged to keep to himself. Thus, the standard application form required of all applicants asks the applicant for details of his past employment, education, whether he was ever suspended, reprimanded or censured as a member of any profession or organization, whether he has ever been arrested, whether he has ever been a party to a lawsuit and for the details of any incidents of a derogatory nature bearing on his fitness to practice law. If the answers to such questions embarrass an appli*283cant, he is privileged to refuse to answer just as he is privileged to refuse to answer any question on the Bar examination. However, in either case he runs the risk that failure to answer such questions will prevent his admission to the Bar.
“Respondents submit that it is in no sense unreasonable or improper to require an applicant to cooperate in supplying all requested information that is relevant to his statutory qualifications. . . .
“(a) Good Moral Character: — Reasonable doubts that petitioner was a person of good moral character arose from many sources:
“(5) Petitioner’s refusal to answer questions in such broad areas of inquiry as to effectively prevent inquiry into broad areas of doubt.
“Petitioner stated that he did not advocate the violent overthrow of the government. He thereafter took the position that any further inquiry by the Committee with respect to this requirement was foreclosed. This is equivalent to his appearing before the Committee and stating that he is a person of good moral character and the Committee must accept his statement and not inquire further. Even were there no adverse evidence in the record, respondents could properly refuse to certify an applicant as not having established his compliance with . . . Section 6064.1, where, as here, he took the position that his bare answer that he complied with the requirement foreclosed further inquiry. . . .” (Italics, except as to subheading “(a),” added.)
I now turn to the record which also shows in unmistakable terms that the Committee’s primary concern related *284to the petitioner’s persistent blocking of its efforts to test the veracity of his statement that he did not advocate forcible overthrow of government.10
II.
The story is best told in the language of the record itself. I shall interpolate only to the extent necessary to put what is quoted in context.
The first hearing before the Subcommittee took place on September 25, 1953. At that time Konigsberg appeared without counsel. After some preliminary inquiries as to Konigsberg’s history, and questioning as tó his connections with allegedly “subversive” organizations, the following ensued:
“Q. I assume that you are acquainted with the State statute that we now have on our books where among other things we are obliged to inquire into this type of a thing, and where we find that any people appear to have the views of endeavoring to change our government and so forth by force or violence, or in other words the popular conception of communism that we are expressly prohibited from certifying that person. You are familiar with the statute?
“A. Yes, I am.
“Q. Mr. Konigsberg, are you a Communist?
“A. Mr. Chairman, I would be very glad to answer that question.
“Q. If you will answer the question, I would be very happy to have it.
“A. I would be very glad to answer it if the circumstances were different. That is when I am faced with a question of this kind or when anyone else is *285faced with a question of this kind today what he is faced with is the fact that various nameless accusers or informers, or call them what you will, whom he has never had a chance to confront and cross-examine, he is put in a position of answering these statements or accusations or suspicions, and without any of the protections that ordinarily exist in such a situation, and I don’t think that I can place myself in that position of having to answer something out in the void, some statement. I know these statements have been made obviously. I am not pretending to be shocked or naive about this. I can say very definitely I did not, I don’t, I never would advocate the overthrow of the government by force or violence clearly and unequivocably, but to answer a specific question of that kind, whether I am a member of this party, that party or the Communist party, that puts me in the position, whatever the truth is, whether I was or wasn’t you would get a dozen informers who would say the opposite, and as indicated by an editorial just two or three days ago in the Daily News questioning seriously why the word of these informers, these turn-coats is accepted unquestionably as against the word of other responsible citizens. Therefore, Mr. Preston, I do not think that under these circumstances, first, yes, I understand that under the law as it is today you may ask me specifically do I advocate the overthrow of the government by force or violence. I answer specifically I do not, I never did or never will. When you get into the other question of specific views in a political party, it seems to me only the fact, the right of political opinion is protected under the First Amendment and is binding on the states. Certainly attorneys ought to be in the leadership of those who defend the right of diverse political views. I think the First *286Amendment is important. ... I answer again on the specific question of force and violence, I did not, I don’t and never would advocate the overthrow of the government by force or violence.
“Q. When answering it you don’t intend to give us a specific, categorical responsive answer?
“A. As I said I would be very happy to if we met out in the hall. I would be glad to answer you, but you see under these circumstances, that is I am speaking now under oath and I am speaking for the record, I am speaking against in a sense whatever evidence that may be in the files — I shouldn’t dignify it by calling it evidence; I should say whatever statements may be there from various informers. I have told you about my record both in the Army and in the community. I have been active politically, I admit it. I am proud of it. I would be happy to discuss it. This is the record that I think should be the basis for judgment, not the record of some hysterical characters that appeared before the Tenney Committee or any such group.
“Q. I am not asking anyone else. I am trying to ask you because you are the one who is seeking admission, the privilege of practicing law in this state. That is the reason I am asking you the question. I made the question very broad, and what I would like you to tell us, if you will answer the question; now of course as you well know and you have told me in your answer up to this point, you don’t have to answer the question, of course you don’t have to answer the question, but we feel that on a matter of this kind, this kind of information, we have a job to inquire about your character. The statute says character, it doesn’t say reputation. The only way I can find out and aid this Committee in finding out about your character is to ask you these questions, *287not what someone else thinks about you, your reputation. That is the reason I have asked the question. Could you give us a categorical answer?
“A. I can only give you the answer I have given you, and I would be very happy to answer that under other circumstances.”
At this point Konigsberg stated that his refusals to answer rested on rights of “free opinion, free speech,” and that the legal profession should be the champion of “the right to diverse political opinion.” He was then asked whether he had “ever knowingly participated in an organization which [he] then believed was sympathetic to the communistic cause,” to which he replied that “I can’t say I knowingly did that, because I don’t think it would have made a great deal of difference to me if I had known one way or the other” if the organization’s objectives were what he believed in, “say a better School Board or whatever the issue might have been.” Then followed this:
“Q. Mr. Konigsberg, I assume that you know that your name has been listed in the public press by witnesses before the Congressional Un-American Activities Committee.
“A. Yes.
“Q. And have been identified by persons who said that you were a member of the Communist Party at the same time they were.
“A. I saw that report. That is the sort of thing I was referring to a moment ago when I referred to the various accusations.”
Next there was discussion as to the attitude of the Association of American Universities with reference to teachers claiming the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination:
“Mr. Sterling: Let me try to clarify it as I understand it. This Association of Universities takes the *288position that complete candor on the part of the teacher with respect to his political beliefs, and in particular whether or not he subscribes to the beliefs of the Communist Party is a prerequisite to continuing in the teaching job. He doesn’t have to disclose whether or not he is a Communist or is sympathetic to the Communist beliefs, but that if he doesn’t answer those questions with complete candor he has lost his right to a position in the teaching community. Translating that into terms of an Association of lawyers such as our State Bar or any Bar Association, you are seeking admission to the profession and that we as your prospective colleagues have a right to expect complete candor from you on this particular question, and that if you don’t wish to be completely candid with us then we are justified in saying you don’t belong in our profession. That I think is the stand that the American Universities took.
“A. I understand that. I can only say what I said several times already. Under those circumstances the constitutional guarantee of free speech means nothing, if it doesn’t mean you can keep your views to yourself, and certainly lawyers recognize that and should be among the first to defend that right. I think the legal profession, particularly the leaders of the legal profession, should be the first to insist on it. Put another way, of what meaning is any constitutional guarantee if it becomes a crime to invoke that guarantee?”
This answer was then elaborated by the petitioner at some length, after which the record continues as follows:
“Mr. Sterling: If you accept as true the premise that the Communist Party, as it is embodied in the present Soviet Union government, has for its objective the overthrow of not only the government of the *289United States but any other non-communist government, and that that overthrow may be accomplished either from within by a bloodless revolution or if necessary by force, if you accept that premise then I think that your argument about constitutional rights of free speech and right to have your own political views and so on go by the board because then it seems to me that we are asking you no more than whether or not you belong to or believe in the principles of such an organization as Mafia, which is pretty generally, I think, regarded as one which has objectives that can be accomplished according to their tenets by what we regard as criminal acts. Now if I asked you whether or not you believed in the right to murder you would answer me no, I think, but as I say this whole business seems to be a turn on whether you accept the premise that the Communist Party — I am paraphrasing for the purpose of illustration — if you accept the premise that the Communist Party believes in murder and has that as its objective then I don’t think you have a right or justification to refuse to answer the question of whether you belong to the Communist Party or whether you believe in its principles, you see.
“A. Well I can’t argue with you.
“Mr. Sterling: Well, you can say that you think my premise is wrong. You can say the Communist Party as constituted does not believe in the overthrow, is not trying to and does not have as its objective the overthrow of the United States by one means or the other. Then I simply have to disagree with you because it seems to me that is their objective.
“A. Well, are you suggesting, Mr. Chairman, that since of course this is a critical period in our country’s history that in the face of such threats as you are basing your premise on that we have to forego *290then the use of the constitutional privileges or the protection of the Constitution, is that what your proposal is? I would like to understand your argument.
“Mr. Sterling: No, as I say you don’t feel there is any question of constitutional privilege when in a proceeding such as this where we are charged with determining the moral qualifications of an applicant in the profession, you don’t feel that the constitutional privilege is hurt if I ask you if you believed in murder?
“A. No.
“Mr. Sterling: You will answer that unhesitatingly, 'No, I don’t believe in murder.’ So I say that most of us now accept as true the premise that the Communist Party as we know it and as embodied in the Russian Government, the present Soviet Union Government, does have as its objective world domination by the Communist Party. So we accept that premise. Therefore it seems to us that we have the right to ask the question of applicants for admission to the Bar, because our statute as we pointed out says that you are not qualified if you do believe in overthrowing or advocate the overthrow of the United States by force or violence.
“A. I am answering specifically in terms of that statute too that I do not. That is the question you are asking me specifically. I am answering I never did, I do not and I never would advocate the overthrow of the government by force or violence. I do believe like leaders like Jefferson people should have the right through discussion, ballot, the minority view becomes the majority view, that changes like that are sought through the ballot box but never through force and violence. That I do not believe. I think my whole experience has shown that. I *291don’t know how more direct that can be, and the only reason as I said before that I don’t specifically answer the question, 'Are you a member of this political party?’ is because of the situation anyone is in who is faced with accusations as indicated by the newspaper report, accusations by people who I think are gradually being discredited by many sources, when you don’t know who it is who is accusing you, you don’t know on what evidence, anonymous faces, you never have a chance to cross examine them, how can anyone be put in that position? What can you fight except wind-mills and air in such actuation. The direct question, ‘Do you believe in force and violence?’ I answered that.
“Mr. Black: It still puzzles me a little to see why it is that you think you are prejudicing your own position by taking a position on that irrespective of whether there is any other evidence in the file or not.
“A. Because very practically this as you know has happened before. In the theory of today it is the words of these informers that is accepted above the words of anyone else.
“Mr. Black: How do you know?
“A. The newspaper report says so. Isn’t that the report you were referring to where I was named before the Un-American Activities Committee?
“Mr. Preston: Yes, but that doesn’t answer the question.
“Mr. Black: How do you assume this Committee accepts the hearsay report against your direct testimony?
“A. I am not assuming that. I didn’t mean to give that implication. What I am saying is that where on one side we have these hearsay reports and nameless informers, and I don’t need to go into a *292discussion of how willing they are to sell their evidence, if it is evidence, when there is the possibility of their word being placed against my word or anyone in my position, and because in view of the hysteria today their word is accepted. All it has to do is appear in the paper and you are discredited. Wasn’t it two or three weeks ago in San Francisco a woman won an amount in a suit for being called a 'Red,’ a teacher, when it is prima facie — libel, whatever the case was. Then it becomes not only a basic matter of principle on the First Amendment but a matter of protecting yourself in a legal situation, because this is an official body. I am not talking to a group of people like I would be talking to on the street.
“Mr. Sterling: You are afraid if you answer the question as to membership in the Communist Party in the negative and say, ‘No, I am not a member and I never have been,’ assuming you made that answer, you are afraid that we could find half a dozen people who would say that you were and had been, and therefore if you were on a perjury trial and the jury believed them and not you, you committed perjury.
“A. I am saying no matter what answer I gave whether I was or wasn’t, undoubtedly there would be several whom you could get to say the opposite, and as I said before—
“Mr. Sterling: Subjecting you to a perjury charge?
“A. Yes. As I said before if you want to ask me outside in the hall I will tell you, but in view of these circumstances where you just have no right, you have no opportunity rather, to defend yourself against these people, I don’t think that is fair play. I don’t think that is justice. I don’t think it is what the American democratic system teaches.”
*293At this point Konigsberg testified that he did not recall knowing a Mrs. Bennett (formerly Mrs. Judson), the Subcommittee’s next witness, the following occurring just before she testified:
“Mr. Preston: Is there any further statement you wish to make, Mr. Konigsberg?
“A. By the Witness: I can’t think of anything I could add to what I said unless there is some specific point you want me to enlarge on.
“Mr. Preston: I assume, of course, if I ask you the question as to if you were ever a member of the Communist Party you would give me substantially the same answer.
“A. Yes, I think I would.
“Mr. Preston: You observed, I assumed, Mr. Kon-igsberg, I didn’t ask you in the first instance if you were a member of the Communist Party. I asked you if you were a Communist. I recognize there is a philosophical Communist. I made my first question very broad to include that.
“A. I understood you to say a member of the Communist Party.
“Mr. Preston: Would your answer be any different?
“A. I thought you said a member of the Communist Party.
“Mr. Preston: I deliberately did not. The first question we discussed at length is, ‘Are you a Communist?’
“A. I will say no, definitely no. The only thing I would describe myself very simply as one who has read a lot, studied a lot, because as a teacher of history and political education in the Army I believe strongly in the fundamental concepts of our democratic system.
*294“Mr. Preston: Your answer that you gave was directed to the question, ‘Are you a member of the Communist Party?’
“A. Yes, and solely to that. If you want a categorical answer to ‘Are you a communist?’ the answer is no.
“Mr. Preston: You gave us that.
“Mr. Sterling: That is your answer.
“A. By the Witness: No.
“Mr. Black: Would you care to state whether you have ever been a Communist?
“A. Do you mean by that as he is making the distinction philosophically or a member of the Communist Party?
“Mr. Black: I mean in the same sense you have just answered that you are not now a Communist.
“A. I would say my thinking has only been what I described a moment ago as being based on the elementary concepts of the American democracy, assuming that you mean do I think like a Communist; that is assuming we have some common understanding what you mean by that term.
“Mr. Sterling: We are not talking now about a membership in any party.
“A. Yes, philosophical views.”
Mrs. Bennett, an ex-Communist Party member, then testified, in the presence of Konigsberg, that Konigsberg had attended in 1941 meetings of the party unit of which she had been a member.
The next hearing was on December 9, 1953, which was attended by Konigsberg’s counsel, a Mr. Mosk. This hearing was devoted in part to the cross-examination of Mrs. Bennett by Mr. Mosk, the net of which was that Mrs. Bennett admitted that she recognized Konigsberg when she first came to the earlier hearing only after not seeing anyone else in the room with whom she was *295familiar. After general colloquy as to some of the peti7 tioner’s writings, the questioning returned to Konigsberg’s refusal to answer questions concerning his alleged membership in the Communist Party, this time with particular reference as to how petitioner reconciled his Pirst Amendment claim with his willingness to answer ideological questions, but not questions as to whether he had ever been a member of the Communist Party. The record continues:
“Mr. Freston: May I ask a question of counsel?
“Mr. Sterling: Yes.
“Mr. Freston: One of the things that was bothering me, Mr. Mosk, is the general answer we have received to the question concerning present and past Communist affiliation, and I recognize the objection that counsel raises under the First Amendment.
“Mr. Mosk: The witness.
“Mr. Freston: The witness has raised. The thing that troubles me is we have an affirmative duty under the statute to certify as to this applicant’s good moral character. We have endeavored to point out to him that the burden of showing that character is upon him. It appeared to me that he wasn’t being quite forthright with us in not giving us an answer to those questions. He stated in effect his reason, at least as I understood it, that he did not want to answer the questions because he might sometime be accused of or prosecuted for perjury. Now, that is the rationale as I remember it, and frankly I am left in a rather confused state. As a member of this Committee I have to take an affirmative act of certification as to a good moral character. I wonder if you could perhaps enlighten me or help clarify the situation so perhaps maybe I might understand it better.
“Mr. Black: May I interpose another question directed to the same point, and you can answer them *296at one and the same time. Just to make sure that I understand the witness’ position, at the last hearing — Mr. Konigsberg’s position — as I understood he was perfectly willing to deny categorically he is a Communist and took that position, am I right on that?
“The Witness: I said philosophical Communist.
“Mr. Black: It seems to me that question we wouldn’t have a right to ask you under your argument, but that we would very definitely have a right to ask you whether you are now a member of the Communist party as it is commonly understood. Now, am I right on that that you still take the position that there is no objection to your answering us categorically that you are not now a Communist, namely that you don’t believe in the philosophical doctrines of communism, generally speaking, that is a matter of belief?
“The Witness: I think I understand your question.
“Mr. Black: But you do take the position that we do not have the right or you have no obligation to answer the question, ‘Are you now a member of the Communist party?’ and that you refuse to answer. I am not trying to argue. I just want to be sure I understand your position. Am I correct in that?
“Mr. Mosk: Either way. The first question was addressed to me. . . . [W]e are endeavoring to address ourselves to that issue which we feel most pertinent that is ‘What has Mr. Konigsberg done as an individual with relation to the people with whom he has dealt, the occupations and professions that he has followed, what has he done to show affirmatively that he is of good moral character and would be a good member of the Bar?’
“Now, as I understood Mr. Konigsberg’s position it is his feeling that one of the matters of principle *297on which he has always stood is the principle that one may not inquire as to a person’s belief, religious, political or otherwise, and that by answering such questions as they are being asked throughout the country in these days, and in all sorts of places and under all sorts of circumstances, as I understand Mr. Konigsberg’s position that by answering such a question he is in effect giving way to and giving ground on the principle that one may not be asked these things, and that by his failure to answer he is neither affirming nor denying.
“Now as to the second question, which I think is most pertinent and certainly struck me at the moment when I read through the transcript for the first time, I was struck by exactly that same question, and I asked Mr. Konigsberg about it, and I think that perhaps he should answer this himself, but we did discuss this very matter, and I know that his position is now that if you were to ask the same question today he feels that it is a question he should not have answered, and that by way of principle in coming unprepared he did not think through the principle to that extent. I think I am answering correctly.
“The Witness: That is exactly what I told counsel. As you are aware I came in without counsel, without any preparation, without knowing exactly what I might be asked. I did have an indication since I had informed the Committee, I appeared before the Tenney Committee, that I might be asked about that. I came prepared with nothing. ' In the heat or in the tension of a meeting of this kind, as you are aware, very often one will say things that one regrets later or would have said later. If I were asked that today I think my answer would be the same as to the other *298question as to whether I am or am not a member of the Communist party, or whether I ever was.
“Mr. Black: I might say without expressing my own view on the thing that I think it must be obvious to you at least under popular conception there is a distinction between what a man believes in a doctrinaire’s sense, which I think everybody agrees who at least tries to follow American principles is sacred ground as to his individual concepts. The belief of the doctrines on the one side, and at least in popular view, affiliation with a party that has its policies dominated by the Soviet Union is quite a different conception, and that the argument at least is that inquiry goes to the very essence of a man’s loyalty to the country and has nothing to do with his individual beliefs in the matter of religion or political philosophy or a code of ethics, and that is the distinction that we are trying to get at here.
“The Witness: I think you are quite right, and the position you take is quite correct, and I confess that I was in error at the time again due to the tension of the moment, and as I was going to say I don’t think Mr. Freston’s recollection is correct. I did not say that I was giving the kind of answer, was giving or refusing to answer because I was afraid of a perjury charge, as I recall. That is not the basis of refusal or the type of answer I have given. The reason that perjury discussion came up, as I recall now — I haven’t been thinking about it — was in connection with the nature of the hearing where a person does not have the opportunity to cross examine and confront witnesses or see documents or things of that nature, and it so happens in the case of Owen Lattimore, who faced a perjury charge, even though he denied a half dozen ways any association with subversive elements — I am recalling from memory— *299it had to do with whether he expressed a certain opinion. How is a man to remember what opinions he expressed. His appeal is pending at the moment for his conviction of perjury. It is only with reference to that situation that I mentioned or commented upon the element of perjury, because that has nothing to do with the basis for my giving the kind of answer I am giving to the question as to my political affiliation, none whatsoever. You correct me on the record if I am wrong. That is my recollection of that discussion. At least I would like to say for the record that has nothing to do with the type of answer I have given.
“Mr. Wright: I would like to ask a question that perhaps in some stage of this proceeding you might enlighten at least this member of the Committee on, whether you consider inquiry into present membership in the Communist party as at all relevant in the inquiries of this Committee as to moral character? In other words, is it a relevant factor? Does it have any bearing? Is it a proper scope of inquiry?
“Mr. Mosk: I think you have to draw this distinction. It may be under some circumstances the Committee would feel that it would be a type of information that it would like to have to reach its conclusion, and to that extent perhaps it may be considered relevant, but many relevant matters are not inquired into in legal proceedings because for other reasons those matters are not competent testimony. And it is the position of Mr. Konigsberg here that inquiries into the realm of his political, religious or other beliefs are matters that are protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution, and therefore while it may be information which the Committee would feel it would like to have it is a field in which the Committee may not inquire by Mr. Konigsberg’s *300position, and I think therefore perhaps I am answering your question yes and no, but I think I make my point clear as to what position Mr. Konigsberg takes.
“Mr. Wright: Having felt that we would like the information and being denied, now I won’t argue with you that being denied that we have no way of compelling it, but are we therefore faced with going forward?
“Mr. Mosk: I think that also is a fair question, and that is why we are approaching the hearing in the manner in which we do. . . .
“. . . I could, I know, bring responsible social workers, other lawyers, persons at the universities with whom he has dealt, all of whom are prepared to come and say that they have known him in these various capacities, and that on the basis of the things that he has done himself, not what someone else has done, but what he, Raphael Konigsberg, has done that he is of good moral character to become a member of the legal profession, and these are things that as I say we will submit affirmatively, and it seems to me that this is the affirmative answer to what I can well understand the Committee feels is a void which Mr. Konigsberg, for reasons of principles he does not feel he wants to fill, but I think that even there one must always have respect for people who at recognizing the danger to him in standing on his principle is still prepared to do that in order to carry out things that he believes in so firmly.
“Mr. Wright: I commend his moral principle, let me say, but perhaps have a little doubt for his judgment.
“Mr. Mosk: If I may comment on that also I think that certainly—
“Mr. Wright: He is making it extremely hard for the Committee.”
*301The third, and last, hearing before the Subcommittee occurred on January 27, 1954. At this time the letters from character witnesses were presented, and there ensued general colloquy as to the scope of a memorandum to be filed by Mr. Mosk. The record shows the following as to the Subcommittee’s concern over Konigsberg’s refusal to answer:
“Mr. Wright: Thank you, Mr. Mosk. I was wondering whether or not you in the course of your memorandum you had addressed yourself at all to the problem of the disinclination of the applicant to respond to questions proposed by the Committee.
“Mr. Mosk: I have addressed myself to that. The memorandum, however, is not lengthy and if you wish I would like to say just a brief word in addition then on that point.
“Mr. Wright: That is one thing that frankly bothers me that we discussed in our previous hearing.
“Mr. Mosk: I can understand why that is a matter that does bother you. I think that I indicated at the previous hearing by analogy one of the answers that I feel is pertinent to this. I indicated, and I feel that in every judicial proceeding and every legal proceeding there are many matters that the tribunal would like well to know to assist it in reaching its conclusion.
“Now, it is implicit in what I have said up until now that matters of the political, economic and social nature, matters of the mind, cannot become the standards upon which the decision as to whether an applicant is of good moral character can be predicated. There are basic principles as to whether the Committee or any other tribunal may inquire into matters of the mind and thinking.
*302“Now, Mr. Konigsberg is obviously, as indicated by many of these letters, and has always been a man of great principle, and I feel that the Committee, since it is our position that it may not inquire into these fields must not make its decision based on Mr. Konigsberg’s principal refusal to answer questions in a field in which the Committee may not inquire. And this fundamentally is our answer that these are matters which can have no bearing on his moral fitness to practice law, and since they cannot I think it then becomes even a greater indication of the extreme principles upon which this man stands, and an even greater indication that as a lawyer he will be a credit to the legal profession.”
The Subcommittee having reported unfavorably, a hearing to review its recommendation was held before the full State Bar Committee on March 13, 1954, at which Konigsberg read a prepared statement, following which the record shows the following:
“Mr. Fuller: What organizations do you presently belong to?
“Mr. Mosk: To which I object on the grounds that this is a violation of the witness’s rights under the First Amendment of the Constitution.
“Mr. Fuller: You mean to say that he shouldn’t tell us whether he belongs to the Elks or the Masons or things of that sort?
“Mr. Mosk: That would be my position.
“Mr. Fuller: We can’t determine any organization he belongs to? He doesn’t have to answer at all?
“Mr. Mosk: That would be my position that his beliefs and associations are not within the scope of this hearing.
“Mr. Fuller: It does not necessarily relate to beliefs. We all know many organizations are not *303based on beliefs. I think we are entitled to know who he associates with.
“Mr. Konigsberg: I respectfully say that you are not entitled to know my associations and any person may refuse to answer on the basis of the rights of a citizen under the First Amendment which I have previously referred to in my testimony.
“Mr. Konigsberg: May I ask this question, Mr. Chairman: Is it the Committee’s position (and I would sincerely like to know) that it has the power to ask such a question and that questions relating to opinions do have a bearing on the applicant’s moral character?
“Mr. Fuller: I don’t want to put it on that basis. It is my position, not necessarily the entire Committee’s position, that we have a rather general scope of inquiry to determine whether an applicant tells the truth, for one thing. I think that is a factor in determining whether or not he is morally qualified. He may state that he is not now a Communist, if he has been a Communist in the past, and if we believe he is telling the truth, that will have a bearing on our determination. I think we have the right to test the veracity of the applicant to the extent that if he denies that, I am influenced in the final conclusion I will come to, that I haven’t determined yet. I do think that the applicant who wishes to afford us the facilities for determining his moral character to the utmost, should permit us to test his veracity.
“Mr. Konigsberg: Mr. Chairman, in all sincerity I have attempted to show in my initial analysis that under Section 6064.1, that I think sets the limit to any inquiry that any body of Examiners has. Once you ask 'Do you now?,’ does that person advocate *304the overthrow by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means, and he answers, as I have answered, that he does not, you cannot ask any questions about his opinions. You are not empowered to ask any questions. There is some question as I pointed out in my statement whether this is constitutional even to allow it to this extent.
“Mr. Fuller: Do I understand that it is your position, and I think I understand your position, that we should not go ahead and find out whatever information we can obtain in order to make the best decision?
“Mr. Konigsberg: I make this point which I did not make before that I don’t think constitutional such action, to draw inferences of the truth or falsity of any statements based on the position (whether of the First or any other Amendment) which the applicant takes. For the Bar to maintain the position, as the Chairman is doing, that it does have the right to ask about my opinions (at least as he is doing this afternoon), as I pointed out these opinions and beliefs which have been expressed coincide with those of prominent leaders of the Bar, which they are expressing today .... I am wondering if that is the position the Committee wishes to take.
“Mr. Fuller: There is no position of the Committee. I am only one member. We are conducting an impartial examination.
“A lady by the name of Bennett testified here. You heard her testimony. Is there any part of that testimony you wish to deny?
“Mr. Konigsberg: Well, again, Mr. Chairman, that is the same question. That is a question relating to opinions, beliefs, political affiliations.
“Mr. Fuller: It has nothing to do with beliefs.
*305“Mr. Konigsberg: It certainly is related to political organizations, political activity, however you choose to describe it.
“Mr. Fuller: Do you want to read it again?
“Mr. Konigsberg: I recall it.
“Mr. Fuller: Do you wish to deny any part?
“Mr. Konigsberg: I wish to say that any questions relating to such political affiliation, which the testimony dealt with . . .
“Mr. Fuller: You refuse to affirm or deny her testimony?
“Mr. Konigsberg: The Committee is not empowered to ask with regard to political affiliations or that type . . .
“Mr. Fuller: I am calling your attention to the fact part of it is not connected with political beliefs or associations.
“Mr. Konigsberg: Which part?
“Mr. Fuller: You are free to read it.
“Mr. Konigsberg: If you wish, I shall be glad to.
“Mr. Fuller: If you want you may either affirm or deny anything if you need to do that. We want to afford you the privilege. (Witness read the testimony referred to)
“Mr. Konigsberg: Mr. Chairman, I think I would recall all the questions relating to me. She answered a number of questions not relating to me. All relating to me are based on a matter of political affiliation or opinion and political association and I think that is amply covered under the protection of the First Amendment as I referred to a moment ago. The Committee’s rights to inquire about this matter are limited to one, the present personal advocacy of the overthrow by force or violence or other means as set forth in 6064.1.
*306“Mr. O’Donnell: Are you a member of the Communist party now?
“Mr. Konigsberg: How does that differ from the questions asked before?
“Mr. O’Donnell: I would just like you to answer it.
“Mr. Konigsberg: The answer is the same I would give. The Committee is not empowered to inquire any more than they may inquire whether I am an Elk, a Freemason, a Democrat or a Republican. It might become incriminating to be a member of the Democratic party today, like saying all Democrats are traitors.
“Mr. O’Donnell: Have you ever been a member?
“Mr. Konigsberg: I would give the same answer.
“Mr. O’Donnell: You refuse to say whether you now are?
“Mr. Konigsberg: I refuse on the ground that the Committee is not empowered to question anyone about political opinions or affiliations, whether past affiliations or present ones. I say this can have no bearing on moral qualifications to practice law, unless the Committee is prepared, as I said in my statement, to take the position that it is now a crime in California to have opinions different than general popular opinions or conforming opinions.
“Mr. Fuller: Of course, the Committee takes the position it is doing so affirmatively, when it goes before the Supreme Court and states you have the proper moral character and we feel we have the right to inquire very deeply into that because it is an affirmative obligation on our part.
“Mr. Konigsberg: I think, Mr. Chairman, on that point the court has said—
“Mr. Fuller: We may be wrong. The Supreme Court may tell us otherwise but that is the way it appears at the moment.”
*307Finally, the Committee put to Konigsberg these questions :
“Mr. Whitmore: It is not your contention, is it, Mr. Konigsberg, that the only basis which the Committee may rely on in determining whether or not it can certify you under the provisions of 6064-1 is by asking you the questions and getting a yes or no answer. It is not your position that that is the extent of the right of this body in making its determination under 6064-1 ?
“Mr. Konigsberg: In essence, that is it. My interpretation of that code section is simply that it sets the limit as to whatever questions relating to opinion — because that is obviously a political issue— there may be asked by the Bar Examiners. It sets the limit as I interpret it. I may be wrong, as I think the Subcommittee is wrong; because of the history of this act as I have related it the Committee can only ask ‘Do you now personally advocate the overthrow of the government of the United States or of this State by force or violence or other unconstitutional means’ and if I say ‘No/ ‘Yes’ or whatever it may be, that is as far as you can go; that is without raising the question on this point (which I don’t think is pertinent) as to whether that is even constitutional under the First Amendment.
“Mr. Whitmore: You are saying that the Committee is precluded under Section 6064.1 from considering acts or omissions of yours in the past with respect to that problem?
“Mr. Konigsberg: Yes, I think so. I am saying they can only ask do I advocate the overthrow by force or violence or other means.
“Mr. Whitmore: You are contending that we are bound by your answer of yes or no which you give.
*308“Mr. Konigsberg: You can decide' for yourselves whether I am telling the truth. You can use any means of determining the truth. You don’t have to accept any individual’s yes or no answer as the truth. I think that is understood.
“Mr. Maxfield: Doesn’t your answer right there defeat the only purpose if we can cross examine as to the truth or falseness of that statement? Why can’t—
“Mr. Konigsberg: I didn’t say you could cross examine me as to the truthfulness. The question as I understand it was whether the Committee couldn’t consider other things, records, past acts.
“Mr. Whitmore: Acts or omissions.
“Mr. Konigsberg: Anything in my record to evaluate whether I am telling the truth, certainly.
“Mr. Maxfield: The general principles of cross examination testing the veracity of a statement, those you know under the rules of evidence are pretty broad. Do you deny us the right to ask these questions for that purpose?
“Mr. Konigsberg: Again under the rules of evidence there might be many items of hearsay, fact or whatever it might be, which the court would like to know but the court prevents the prosecution or the other side from introducing because of a deep-seated public policy or other evidentiary rule or the First Amendment. The rule of search and seizure is something else of that nature. The information might be pertinent but the court says that the results of such act, as established over the years, may not be asked or introduced.
“It is my contention as I tried to make clear- — -(it might be unconstitutional, I am not questioning that now) — it may only go as far as this law permits you to go. The history of that act shows that the Legis*309lature tried to do other things but failed to because it failed of passage. And a person can be asked (such people as myself) ‘Do you?’ than [szc] the Committee must determine and evaluate as to the truth by what is in the individual’s record.
“Mr. Maxfield: We are not entitled to an evaluation of that truth or in an effort to evaluate it to cross examine you with respect to present or past associations?
“Mr. Konigsberg: That is right. That is my interpretation.”
On February 8, 1954, the State Bar Committee refused to certify Konigsberg for admission, and the California Supreme Court denied review on April 20, 1955.
III.
So ends the story. Whatever might be the conclusions to be drawn were we sitting as state judges, I am unable to understand how on this record it can be said that California violated the Federal Constitution by refusing to admit petitioner to the bar.
The members of the Committee before whom the petitioner appeared were under a statutory duty to inquire into his qualifications for admission. Among the matters into which they were obligated to inquire were moral character and the applicant’s advocacy of forcible overthrow of the Government. Petitioner stated readily enough that he did not advocate overthrow of government by force, violence, or other unconstitutional means. But once that basic question was answered he took the position that the Committee’s authority was exhausted; that it had no power to ask him about the facts underlying his conclusory denial or to test his response by cross-examination. The Court holds that the State’s conclusion — that an applicant who so obstructs the *310Committee has not met his burden of proof in establishing his qualifications of good moral character and non-advocacy of forcible overthrow — violates the Fourteenth Amendment.
I think this position is untenable. There is no conceivable reason why the Committee should not attempt by cross-examination to ascertain whether the facts squared with petitioner’s bare assertion that he was qualified for admission. It can scarcely be contended that the questions were irrelevant to the matter under inquiry, namely, whether petitioner advocated forcible overthrow of the Government. At least it seems apparent to me that Communist Party membership is relevant to the question of forcible overthrow. In fact petitioner himself admitted that the questions were relevant, relying entirely on his First Amendment privilege.11 Yet the Court assumes, for the purposes of this case, that the questions did not invade an area privileged under the First Amendment. In other words, we have here a refusal to answer relevant and unprivileged questions.
We are not dealing with a case where the State excludes an applicant from the bar because of bare membership, past or present, in the Communist Party. The Schware case attests that that is a wholly different question. Nor are we dealing with a case where an applicant is denied admission because of his political views. We have here a case where a state bar committee was prevented by an applicant from discharging its statutory responsibilities in further investigating the applicant’s qualifications. The petitioner’s refusal to answer questions in order to dispel doubts conscientiously entertained by the Committee as to his qualifications under a valid *311statutory test can, it seems to me, derive no support from the Fourteenth Amendment.
The principle here involved is so self-evident that I should have thought it would be accepted without discussion. Can it really be said that a bar-admissions committee could not reject an applicant because he refused to reveal his past addresses, or the names of his former employers, or his criminal record? An applicant might state with the utmost sincerity that he believed that such information was none of the committee's business; yet it must be clear that his application could be rejected. And in such a case the committee would not have to point to “evidence” establishing either that the applicant had bad moral character or that he was asserting the constitutional privilege in bad faith. For the applicant is the moving party, and his failure to go forward is itself sufficient to support denial of admission.
For me it would at least be more understandable if the Court were to hold that the Committee’s questions called for matter privileged under the First and Fourteenth Amendments. But- the Court carefully avoids doing so. It seems to hold that the question of privilege is irrelevant as long as the applicant is “in good faith” and as long as there is other material in the record which the Court interprets as affirmatively attesting to his good moral character. I cannot agree. It is not only that we, on the basis of a bare printed record and with no opportunity to hear and observe the applicant, are in no such position as the State Bar Committee was to determine whether in fact the applicant was sincere and has a good moral character. Even were we not so disadvantaged, to make such a determination is not our function in reviewing state judgments under the Constitution. Moreover, resolution of this factual question is wholly irrelevant to the case before us, since it seems to me altogether beyond question that a *312State may refuse admission to its Bar to an applicant, no matter how sincere, who refuses to answer questions which are reasonably relevant to his qualifications and which do not invade a constitutionally privileged area. The opinion of the Court does not really question this; it solves the problem by denying that it exists. But what the Court has really done, I think, is simply to impose on California its own notions of public policy and judgment. For me, today’s decision represents an unacceptable intrusion into a matter of state concern.
For these reasons I dissent.
Section 6060, Cal. Bus. and Prof. Code (1937). The Court does suggest that this standard is “unusually ambiguous” and that it “can be defined in an almost unlimited number of ways for any definition will necessarily reflect the attitudes, experiences, and prejudices of the definer.” I respectfully suggest that maintenance of high professional standards requires that a State be allowed to give that term its broadest scope.
Id., §6064.1.
Spears v. State Bar, 211 Cal. 183, 294 P. 697; In re Wells, 174 Cal. 467, 163 P. 657. All but 2 of the 48 States have this practice requirement. See Farley, Admission of Attorneys from Other Jurisdictions, in Survey of the Legal Profession, Bar Examinations and Requirements for Admission to the Bar, 151, 159.
The Court does say: “Prior decisions by this Court indicate that his [Konigsberg’s] claim that the questions were improper was not frivolous and we find nothing in the record which indicates that his position was not taken in good faith.” The record at least gives one pause as to the correctness of the latter conclusion. See pp. 292, 298-299, infra.
The record contains the following exchange between Mr. O’Donnell, a member of the full State Bar Committee, and Mr. Mosk, the petitioner’s counsel: “Mr. O’Donnell: There was some suggestion that the Subcommittee was not fair at the previous hearings. Mr. Mosk: May I interrupt immediately. There was no inference in any comments made by Mr. Konigsberg or myself. They were solely directed to the decision of the Subcommittee and our disagreement with the ultimate results. The Committee was absolutely fair and treated Mr. Konigsberg and myself with the utmost degree of fairness and impartiality. We have no complaints about the Subcommittee.”
Perhaps the most precise possible formulation of the question before us is whether a State may adopt a rule of administration to the effect that, in circumstances such as are disclosed here, an applicant who refuses to supply information relevant to his fitness may be deemed to have failed to sustain the burden of establishing his qualifications. I have no doubt that such a rule is constitutional. Cf. Hammond Packing Co. v. Arkansas, 212 U. S. 322, 349-351; Fed. Rules Civ. Proc., 37 (b).
See the italicized portions of pp. 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 295, 299, 300, 301, 303, 306, 307, 308, 309, infra.
Even on this basis I consider today’s action of the Court unjustified upon this record. Whether considered as the adoption and application of a reasonable rule of administration, or as the drawing of an adverse inference of fact, the Committee’s action in this case was proper. As the Hammond case shows, a State may treat a refusal to supply relevant information as establishing facts against the refusing party even though he does not have the burden of proof. A fortiori, a State need not give affirmative relief to one who refuses to supply evidence needed to support his own claim. Cf. Moore’s Federal Rules and Official Forms (1956) 163-165, taking the position that judgment should be entered against a party to civil litigation who refuses to answer relevant questions, even where the refusal is justified by a valid privilege. In this case the Court takes the position, apparently, that refusal to supply relevant information cannot justify state action in a civil proceeding even where the refusal is unprivileged, and where the refusing party is a claimant upon whom rests the burden of proof.
There is no question here of drawing an unfavorable inference from a claim of the Fifth Amendment privilege. Petitioner repeatedly disclaimed any assertion of that privilege.
In quoting from the record I have italicized some parts to give emphasis to this point.
Cf. Garner v. Board of Public Works, 341 U. S. 716, 720; and see pp. 299-300, 301, supra.