dissenting:
The en banc decision of this court in Frazier, relied upon by the court, does not seem to me to divert Miranda from requiring in the present ease the exclusion of the evidence attributable to the in-custody interrogation of Cooper. In determining that Frazier had knowingly and intelligently waived his Fifth Amendment privilege this court had the benefit of findings that he had, made by the District Court at a hearing on a remand devoted to the subject. No comparable probing of the waiver problem in Cooper’s case is before us.1 Frazier is also distinguishable on the basis that Frazier had actually signed a written waiver, whereas Cooper refused to do so until be spoke with an attorney. His full statement when the waiver was offered to him to sign, according to the testimony of the F.B.I. agent who conducted the interrogation, is as follows:
[Cooper’s] reply was that he would not sign the waiver to these rights before he spoke with an attorney. However, he was desirous of answering questions put to him. However, he would answer only those he chose to answer.
I approach the issue before the court by emphasizing two aspects of the Mi*1065randa opinion. The first is the following statement of the Supreme Court:
If the individual states that he wants an attorney, the interrogation must cease until an attorney is present.
384 U.S. at 474.
Cooper clearly indicated that he wanted to consult an attorney when he was asked to waive his rights. Considered alone, this was an indication that he wished to remain silent. Accordingly, the Supreme Court said, “the interrogation must cease.” 384 U.S. at 474.
The second aspect of Miranda I emphasize revolves around the agent’s statement, “However, he was desirous of answering questions put to him.” Such a desire, as it bears upon the problem of self-incrimination, is inconsistent with Cooper’s preceding refusal to sign the waiver of his rights unless this testimony of the agent that Cooper was “desirous of answering questions put to him” met the “heavy'burden [which] rests on the government to demonstrate that the defendant knowingly and intelligently waived his privilege against self-incrimination and his right to retained or appointed counsel” once he “indicates in any manner, at any time prior to or during questioning, that he wishes to remain silent. . . . ” 384 U.S. at 473-474, 475. I fail to find any basis for holding this heavy burden was met.
In United States v. Nielsen, 392 F.2d 849 (7th Cir. 1968), a similar situation arose. The interrogation was also by F.B.I. agents who advised the suspect of his constitutional rights under Miranda, as Cooper was advised. Nielsen then, as the facts are stated by the Court of Appeals,
. said he had a retained attorney and would not sign a waiver of rights form or “anything” until he talked to his attorney. At this point, the agent asked the defendant if he wanted to call his attorney. The defendant replied that he would wait to call until later in the morning but that “they” could continue questioning him. Resumption of questioning by the agent resulted in the defendant responding to five questions in the negative.
392 F.2d at 852. In the above situation the Court of Appeals held as follows with respect to the further interrogation:
There can be no question that when the defendant in the instant case refused to sign anything until he saw his attorney, he indicated a desire to remain “silent.” Since the interrogation continued beyond that point, the Government had a “heavy burden” to show that the subsequent interrogation of the defendant took place after he “knowingly and intelligently” waived his Miranda rights. We do not believe that the Government satisfied this burden.
. . . Here the defendant’s refusal to sign the waiver form, followed by an apparent willingness to allow further questioning, should have alerted the agents that he was assuming seemingly contradictory positions with respect to his submission to interrogation. Instead of accepting the defendant’s equivocal invitation, the agents should have inquired further of him before continuing the questioning to determine whether his apparent change of position was the product of intelligence and understanding or of ignorance and confusion. However, no further inquiry took place. In the absence of such an inquiry, we are compelled to conclude that the defendant’s negative responses to the questions asked him were not made after a knowing and intelligent waiver of his rights. Consequently, the trial court erred in admitting the testimony of the subsequent interrogation. (Footnote omitted.)
392 F.2d at 853.
A similar situation came before the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in United States v. Phelps, 443 F.2d 246 (1971). There the questioning continued after the investigator, by reading to him a standard “rights” form, had ad*1066vised the suspect of his rights. He declined to sign a printed waiver, but indicated he did not want a lawyer present and that he knew his rights. Thereafter he made incriminating statements to the officers. The District Court granted his motion to suppress the statements. On the Government’s appeal the Court of Appeals stated:
In the present case the record shows that immediately after the investigators discovered the illegal weapon, they properly warned Phelps of his rights. Phelps, while professing to understand and declining the assistance of a lawyer, indicated by his refusal to sign the waiver that he did not wish to waive his right to remain silent. The officers’ interrogation, therefore, should have ceased at this point.
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In the present case we are unable to tell whether Phelps validly waived his right to remain silent or not. It is clear that after Phelps refused to sign the waiver, the officers should have ceased interrogating him. It is also clear that subsequent conversation did occur between the investigators and Phelps. The hearing on the motion to suppress does not reveal, however, whether the subsequent questions by the officers were the result of voluntary conversation initiated by Phelps or whether these questions were initiated by the officers themselves without any instigation by Phelps. If the former situation obtains, then under our decision in Hopkins [United States v. Hopkins, 433 F.2d 1041 (5th Cir. 1970)], Phelps’ subsequent answers would be admissible. If the latter situation obtains, however, Mirmda compels that we hold the answers inadmissible. The record of the hearing is silent as to these crucial facts, probably because the trial court made its determination prior to our decision in Hopkins. We think, therefore, that justice will best be served by holding a further evidentiary hearing to determine whether Phelps voluntarily waived his right to remain silent.
443 F.2d at 249-250.2
United States v. Ramos, 448 F.2d 398 (5th Cir. 1971), is also helpful. The Government there had initiated further questioning after the suspects refused to sign waivers. The court held:
In the instant case the record clearly reveals that neither of the defendants voluntarily initiated further conversation subsequent to their refusals to sign a waiver form. Rather, the government agent himself initiated further questioning without any instigation by either defendant. Therefore, under our decision in Phelps [supra], we hold that the agent’s refusal in this case to terminate each interview violated the Supreme Court’s mandate in Miranda and that the defendants’ incriminating statements were thereby rendered inadmissible.
448 F.2d at 399.
The court refers to a Commentary accompanying the American Law Institute Model Code of Pre-Arraignment Procedure (Tent. Draft No. 6, 1974). The court’s reference is to Part IB of the Model Code entitled “Procedure from Appearance at Police Station to First Judicial Appearance” and is concerned, inter alia, with “Conditions on Questioning Arrested Persons.” The proposed Model Code gives no support to my *1067brethren, but, rather, strongly adheres to the language and policy of Miranda. Thus section 140.8(2) (d) under “Waivers,” provides:
(d) No waiver shall be sought from an arrested person at any time after he has indicated in any manner that he does not wish to be questioned or that he wishes to consult counsel before submitting to questioning.
In its Commentary upon this proposed provision the ALI states:
(C) Requirement of a Signed Waiver. Paragraph 140.8(2) (b) provides that a suspect is to be given the Miranda warnings and asked to sign a statement acknowledging that he wishes to make a statement or answer questions in the absence of counsel before being interrogated. The signing of this statement is an absolute prerequisite to interrogation in the absence of counsel, and a refusal to sign is an “indication” for purposes of Paragraph 140.8(2)(d). Courts have not required a signing of a waiver before the commencement of interrogation, and they have taken differing views on the effect of such a signing. The situation of a suspect who refuses to sign a waiver or put his statement in writing but who gives an oral waiver and answers questions freely has caused some difficulty, with the federal courts holding that statements made in this situation are admissible if the trial court has held an evidentiary hearing and determined that the oral statements were made voluntarily, with the knowledge that they could be used as evidence, and after an intelligent waiver of rights. (Footnotes omitted.)
ALI Model Code of Pre-Arraignment Procedure, supra, at pp. 161-62.
Part IA of the ALI Model Code of Pre-Arraignment Procedure (Prof.Off. Draft No. 1, 1972) governing “Procedure from First Police Contact Through Arrest” (the Cooper situation), provides at section 120.8(2):
(2) Limitations on Questioning. No law enforcement officer shall question an arrested person if such person has indicated in any manner that he does not wish to be questioned, or that he wishes to consult counsel before submitting to any questioning.
It seems clear that the weight of authority is that once the suspect, being warned, refuses to sign a proffered waiver without consulting counsel, the custodial interrogation must cease.3 The interrogation may be validly resumed only upon the initiative of the suspect, with a heavy burden upon the United States to establish that fact, failing which a subsequent incriminating statement in answer to resumed interrogation is inadmissible.
In an attempt to meet this problem the court states:
Here the evidence is uncontradicted that Cooper, while declining to sign the form in the absence of an attorney, said he was desirous of answering questions, and thus “voluntarily initiated” the following conversation. Thus, on the law as we understand it, Cooper’s statements would be admissible.
Surely the court is mistaken in stating that Cooper said he was desirous of answering questions after declining to sign the waiver, and that he “voluntarily initiated” the subsequent conversation. The record reveals, as I have pointed out, that it was the F.B.I. agent, not Cooper, who testified “he [Cooper] was desirous of answering questions put to him.” Even were we to imply that Cooper expressed the desire this would not support the court’s ruling that the incriminating statements were admissible, because there is a complete absence of evidence whether such desire was “voluntarily initiated” by Cooper or followed only after the F.B.I. agents *1068probed the situation with him following his refusal to sign the waiver.
The court does not bridge the gap in evidence by relying upon circumstances establishing voluntariness testified to by the F.B.I. agents, citing Schneckloth v. Bustamonte, 412 U.S. 218, 93 S.Ct. 2041, 36 L.Ed.2d 854 (1973). The court thus would substitute voluntariness for the Miranda standard of admissibility, which requires proof of a knowledgeable and intelligent waiver as well as a voluntary one.
Schneckloth was concerned with the validity of a consent to a search. The question was whether the consent was valid in the absence of knowledge of the right to refuse consent. The Court held such knowledge was not essential. The test applied was whether the consent was voluntary in the surrounding circumstances. As to that, lack of knowledge was a circumstance to be considered but was not controlling.
Not only was the Court explicit in limiting its decision to a consent by one not in custody — a situation we do not have in Cooper’s case4 — but the Miranda issue before us is not one of voluntariness as that concept was involved in Schneckloth. Miranda requires that we decide whether the compulsion inherent1 in custodial interrogation is removed by a knowledgeable and intelligent waiver of rights, which of course must also be voluntary. Voluntariness is but one aspect of the three-pronged Miranda test. The court’s present reliance upon what it refers to as a lack of coercion — voluntariness — ignores the basis upon which Miranda governs the application of the Fifth Amendment privilege, which was not involved in Schneckloth.
In Cooper’s case the waiver of his Miranda rights turns upon whether he affirmatively initiated further interrogation and thereby abandoned his desire to remain silent indicated by his refusal to sign the waiver. If not, incriminating answers to such uncounseled custodial interrogation are inadmissible under Miranda as the product of compulsion.
The court turns to Cooper’s silence for support not only on the issue which the court poses as one of voluntariness, but also in ascribing to Cooper the initiation, of further questioning by the agents after he had refused to sign the waiver. Cooper’s silence, however, is not a substitute for the heavy burden of the United States to establish the facts respecting the initiation of the further questioning — an essential factor in establishing a knowing and intelligent waiver of the right to remain silent. In Nielsen, supra, this burden, not having been borne, the evidence was ruled inadmissible. And see Ramos, supra. In Phelps, supra, as in our first Frazier case, 419 F.2d 1161 (D.C. Cir. 1969), a remand for a hearing to resolve the factual issue was required.
The court stresses that Cooper understood the Miranda warnings. I do not disagree that Cooper understood the words contained in the enumeration of his rights which were read to him. But it does not follow that he understood that he had the right, upon refusing to sign the waiver until he consulted an attorney, not to be further questioned in the absence of an attorney, or that he had the right to remain silent unless he thereafter initiated further examination by the agents. I do not think Miranda, with its strong emphasis upon the importance of safeguarding the Fifth Amendment privilege as one of the fundamental protections of the dignity of the human personality of a suspect confronted with an effort by the Government to obtain self-incrimination, can be swallowed up by finding that the suspect understood the meaning of the recitation of his rights.
The court states that appellant was an intelligent man, having earned a Bachelor of Science degree. This is of slight significance in determining whether he *1069knowingly and intelligently waived his Miranda rights. Such a waiver must be determined with reference to some knowledgeability and intelligence regarding his rights and their waiver. Moreover, the majority omits to note that in a report to the Clerk of the Criminal Division of the District Court the Superintendent of St. Elizabeths Hospital advised that on or about the time of the offense, which was the day of the interrogation, Cooper “is diagnosed as Schizophrenic], paranoid type,” and “was suffering from a mental disease which substantially affected his mental and emotional processes and substantially impaired his behavioral controls. . . . ” 5
The evidence against Cooper, exclusive of that resulting from the interrogation above discussed, was substantial. Nevertheless, strength of evidence of guilt, we know from a long line of Supreme Court decisions, is not to influence the judiciary in passing upon the possible violation of the Fifth Amendment privilege. Malinski v. New York, 324 U.S. 401, 404, 65 S.Ct. 781, 89 L.Ed. 1029 (1945).
Either of two courses I think are open to the court. One would be to remand for an evidentiary hearing and findings of fact with respect to who initiated the questioning which followed appellant’s refusal to sign the waiver, the course adopted in Phelps, supra. The other would be, as in Nielsen, supra, to set aside the conviction and remand for a new trial without the use of appellant’s incriminating statements challenged on this appeal, or the fruits of the search which also resulted from the custodial interrogation following his refusal to sign the waiver.
Since the court adopts neither course, I respectfully dissent.
. The District Court at the suppression hearing in this case found only that Cooper’s statements were voluntary.
. In United States v. McDaniel, 5 Cir., 463 F.2d 129, 135-136, referred to in footnote 9 of the present court’s opinion, the Fifth Circuit distinguishes Phelps, supra, finding that McDaniel, after refusing to sign the waiver, affirmatively indicated a willingness to maintain the conversation. The court stated: “ . . .he volunteered unsolicited information. ...” The court nevertheless recognized that his conviction “treads perilously close in some respects to the borders of . . . the Fifth Amendment-owm-Miranda." I might add that the Court of Appeals in my opinion gave undue weight to the voluntary nature of the information furnished by McDaniel and less than the weight due to the burden upon the United States of establishing an intelligent and knowing waiver of rights.
. I find nothing in the McNeil and Pettyjolm decisions of this court to the contrary, especially considering their particular factual situations.
. The court’s opinion does not deny that the interrogation of Cooper was custodial; in any event it was in my opinion, and the Government so stated during oral argument.
. Some 7-% months later, when this report was forwarded, be was deemed competent to stand trial and his mental illness was not considered by the Hospital to be a defense to criminal responsibility,