Opinion for the Court filed by Circuit Judge SILBERMAN.
Dissenting opinion filed by Circuit Judge WALD.
SILBERMAN, Circuit Judge:This case is returned to us by the Supreme Court for the second time. — U.S. -, 113 S.Ct. 3026, 125 L.Ed.2d 714. The Supreme Court vacated and remanded our first opinion, Ayuda, Inc. v. Thornburgh, 880 F.2d 1325 (D.C.Cir.1989), and asked us to reconsider the issues presented in light of its opinion in McNary v. Haitian Refugee Cen*247ter, Inc., 498 U.S. 479, 111 S.Ct. 888, 112 L.Ed.2d 1005 (1991). We did so, and reiterated our view that the district court lacked jurisdiction to entertain a suit brought to challenge a supposed Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) interpretation of a regulation governing the manner in which legalization decisions were made under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), Pub.L. No. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359 (1986). Ayuda, Inc. v. Thornburgh, 948 F.2d 742 (D.C.Cir.1991). We are again asked to consider our opinion in the aftermath of Reno v. Catholic Social Servs., Inc., — U.S. -, 113 S.Ct. 2485, 125 L.Ed.2d 38 (1993) (CSS). After carefully examining CSS, we stand by our conclusion that the district court lacked jurisdiction in this case, and hence, we decline to remand to the district court as plaintiffs urge.
I.
As we described in our first opinion, this litigation — directed at the INS’ administration of the special one-time IRCA amnesty program — came on the heels of a developing line of cases in which aliens, or organizations representing aliens, sought to supplement courts of appeals review of INS.deportation orders under 8 U.S.C. § 1105a with actions brought in the district court challenging generic INS policies before they were applied in deportation proceedings. Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1335-36. Such a lawsuit, particularly when brought by an organizational plaintiff or by a class, permits aliens to challenge INS policies in federal court without the risk of identification and consequent deportation if they should lose.1 Our case, brought by five aliens and four organizational plaintiffs (so-called Qualified Designated Entities (QDEs) who are authorized to serve as intermediaries between aliens and the INS), focused only on the particular judicial review provisions of IRCA. We held that the district court lacked jurisdiction to hear the plaintiffs’ challenge to an asserted interpretation of an INS regulation that defined the statutory term “known to the government.”2
We concluded that the district court lacked jurisdiction on two separate grounds. First, we thought that the statutory review provisions, which provide for exclusive review in the courts of appeals for all deportation orders,3 precluded a district court challenge to any formal or informal manifestation of the INS’ construction of aliens’ substantive rights under the statute. Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1333-40. Second, we determined that INS had not yet decided whether the absence of quarterly reports in an alien’s INS file put the government on constructive notice that the alien’s illegal status was “known to the government”. Thus, even if the district court enjoyed statutory jurisdiction, the case was not yet ripe. Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1343. We did not reach the government’s challenge to the standing of organizational plaintiffs upon which the district court had premised “plaintiffs’” standing. Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1339-40.
Subsequently, the Supreme Court in McNary held that district courts did have jurisdiction to entertain, a constitutional and statutory challenge to the INS’ alleged failure to provide due process in the administration of another portion of the amnesty program. The INS had been accused of depriving applicants of an opportunity to challenge material evidence, to present witnesses, and to employ competent interpreters, and the Court concluded that Congress did not mean to limit judicial review to the court of appeals in such a case. McNary v. Haitian Refugee *248Center, Inc., 498 U.S. at 487-88, 494, 111 S.Ct. at 893-94, 897.
On remand, we sought to reconcile what we thought were conflicting currents in the Supreme Court’s opinion. On the one hand, the Court’s language did appear to restrict the phrase “a determination respecting an application” — on which court of appeals jurisdiction is fixed — to “an individual denial of ... status” and not a “group of INS decisions.” 498 U.S. at 492, 111 S.Ct. at 896. Still we did not think the IRCA judicial review provisions could reasonably be construed to permit two or more aliens to sue freely in the district court, if one alien would be limited presumably to the court of appeals. See Ayuda, 948 F.2d at 749 n. 5. Instead, we concluded that the Supreme Court meant McNary to stand as an exception to the exclusive court of appeals review of INS legalization determinations (after deportation orders) for collateral procedural challenges if the administrative record would be inadequate to support appellate review of those issues in the courts of appeals. If, instead, aliens were seeking review of INS interpretations of IRCA — which the plaintiffs in our case clearly were — the district court lacked jurisdiction.
We rejected the notion that to force any alien to come forward and provoke a deportation order as a prerequisite to challenging his or her denial of legalization would amount to a “complete denial of judicial review for most undocumented aliens,” McNary, 498 U.S. at 497, 111 S.Ct. at 898, and therefore should be thought “inadequate” within the meaning of McNary’s holding. We did so because otherwise we would have either ignored the statutory scheme for exclusive court of appeals jurisdiction in cases involving a “determination respecting an application” or been faced with what seemed an impossible analytic task of drawing a boundary between the jurisdiction of the district court and courts of appeals in eases challenging INS’ substantive interpretation of IRCA. See Ayuda, 948 F.2d at 753; 958 F.2d 1089, 1092-93 (D.C.Cir.1992) (Silberman, J., concurring in the denial of rehearing en banc).
In addition, we reiterated our view that the plaintiffs’ challenge was unripe (the INS still had not resolved the “known to the government” issue) and we once again reserved the issue of the QDEs standing. See Ayuda, 958 F.2d at 1093 (Silberman, J., concurring in the denial of rehearing en banc).
The Supreme Court then granted certiora-ri in CSS, a case in which the Ninth Circuit read McNary contrary to the way we did.4 While a petition for certiorari in Ayuda was pending before the Supreme Court, the Solicitor General notified the Court that the INS had recently arrived at an agency position as to whether the absence of documents from government files indicated that the alien’s illegal status was known to the government. Hence, the particular ripeness ground upon which we had relied was no longer present.
The Court handed down CSS this summer and subsequently vacated our decision (along with several cases that disagreed with our opinion) for reconsideration in light of CSS. We then asked the parties for their views. Perhaps understandably in light of their long litigation struggle, the plaintiffs and the government disagree both as to the meaning of CSS and as to the appropriate next step in our case. The plaintiffs argue that “[b]e-cause the generic challenges in Ayuda can be resolved without referring to or relying on the denial of any individual application (as indeed they were resolved by the district court), the district court may properly exercise jurisdiction over plaintiffs’ challenges.” The government argues that the district court lacked jurisdiction as the plaintiffs challenged INS’ substantive regulations, rather than collateral procedures.
We think plaintiffs badly misread the Supreme Court’s opinion. CSS confirmed the plaintiffs’ view of McNary’s construction of section 1255a(f)(l) as applying only to the denial of a single application. But the Court, noting that federal courts have been reluctant to apply injunctive and declaratory judgment remedies to administrative determina*249tions5 unless these arise in the context of a controversy “ripe” for judicial resolution, elaborated and extended the general ripeness doctrine of Abbott Laboratories v. Gardner, 387 U.S. 136, 152-54, 87 S.Ct. 1507, 1517-18, 18 L.Ed.2d 681 (1967), and Lujan v. National Wildlife Federation, 497 U.S. 871, 891, 110 S.Ct. 3177, 3190, 111 L.Ed.2d 695 (1990), so as to severely limit McNary, see CSS, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2495-96, and thus neatly came, by a somewhat modified route, to our resolution of the boundary issue. The Court held that a putative beneficiary under a statute such as the amnesty program does not have a ripe claim merely when an agency publishes a regulation that might bear on his right to the benefit. CSS, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2496. The claimant must at least apply and be denied the benefit before the claim ripens. Typically, when the claimant is denied the benefit, the claim is then ripe for adjudication.6 Id.
Under IRCA, as the Supreme Court observed, an alien who is denied legalization is subject to the exclusive administrative and judicial review provisions of that statute. His claim may, in general terms, be thought ripe, yet the statute directs him exclusively to the court of appeals and only on a review of a deportation order.7
Although the Supreme Court initially rejected our construction of the statutory jurisdiction provisions, it ultimately came very close to affirming our holding by seeming to rely on those same provisions:
The ripeness doctrine and the Reform Act’s jurisdictional provisions would thus dovetail neatly, and not necessarily by mere coincidence. Congress may well have assumed that, in the ordinary case, the courts would not hear a challenge to regulations specifying limits to eligibility before those regulations were actually applied to an individual, whose challenge to the denial of an individual application would proceed within the Reform Act’s limited scheme.
CSS, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2485.
The Court also agreed with our reading of McNary, limiting its reach to situations in which plaintiffs raised “procedural” objections that could not receive “practical judicial review within the [statutory] scheme.” Compare CSS, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2497 with Ayuda, 948 F.2d at 753.8 At the end of the day, then, the Supreme Court conclusively foreclosed all efforts to gain federal district court review of INS interpretations of IRCA. Jurisdiction of the federal district courts could be invoked, as in McNary, only when it is necessary to supplement or aid ultimate court of appeals review under section 1255a(f)(l).
II.
In CSS the Supreme Court remanded the case to the Ninth Circuit with instructions to remand, in turn, to the district court. The plaintiffs ask us also to remand this case to the district court. We decline to do so. In CSS, the Supreme Court noted that plaintiffs had alleged that members of the certified class actually tried to file applications for legalization and had been turned away — arguably pursuant to an INS Manual entry dealing with the subject. The Court thought this practice, described as “front-desking,” if *250it had occurred, would fall under the McNary exception. CSS, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2499. If an alien tried to file an application -within the one-year period Congress provided for seeking amnesty and was blocked by INS officials, there would be no record on which he could challenge the INS’ refusal to grant him legalization. District courts would therefore have jurisdiction to ensure that such a person had his claim adjudicated by the INS. Id. That does not mean, of course, as plaintiffs contend, that district courts would have any power to consider “generic” or any other kind of substantive challenges to the INS’ interpretation of IRCA. The CSS holding relying on the combination of general ripeness doctrine and the statutory review provisions precludes such an “end around play.” CSS, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2497. On the contrary, the court suggested that relief would be limited to requiring the INS to adjudicate the claims. See CSS, — U.S. at - n. 29, 113 S.Ct. at 2500 n. 29.
Our case is quite different. Here there was no class certified. Plaintiffs sought class certification too late-after the district court’s order had been appealed to this court, thus depriving the district court of jurisdiction — and, therefore, no class was ever certified. Hence, we only have five alien-plaintiffs and the organizations before us — not a class. Our dissenting colleague would nevertheless remand to the district judge to permit him now to certify a class if a search of the files of the special masters, appointed by the district judge to identify aliens who were discouraged from filing applications, revealed any that were front-desked.9 At oral argument four years ago, appellants conceded that there were none, Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1342, and we are confident that counsel would have brought any such to our attention long ago since we had indicated that those persons would be entitled to relief. It is certainly not up to the court to search for a plaintiff upon whom to append a class certification, let alone to do so five years after the case was brought and after judgment in the case.
None of the named five plaintiffs alleged front-desking. Four never attempted to apply, and the fifth had an application accepted for processing. CSS makes clear, moreover, that the four organizational plaintiffs lack standing. The district court, it will be recalled, had determined otherwise; indeed, all of its orders, including the appointment of special masters to inquire into the situation of various aliens, were predicated on that determination. We had reserved the question of organizational standing, but it is now quite clear, in light of the CSS analysis, that the organizations did not have standing to raise their claims challenging INS policies or regulations that interpreted aliens’ rights to legalization under IRCA. That is so because, as the Court reasoned, these claims may only be brought in court by individual aliens after the INS’ statutory interpretation is applied to them, their application for legalization is denied, and they are subject to deportation orders. CSS, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2497. It follows then, that an organizational plaintiff could not undermine the statutory scheme by suing to challenge “generic” INS policies or statutory interpretations that bear on an alien’s right to legalization. See Block v. Community Nutrition Institute, 467 U.S. 340, 345-48, 104 S.Ct. 2450, 2453-55, 81 L.Ed.2d 270 (1984). That means that the district judge should have dismissed the organizational plaintiffs from the suit.10
Nor do we perceive that the Supreme Court’s treatment of the front-desking issue is any different than ours. We had similarly *251concluded that if an alien had actually been “denied an opportunity even to file an application,” the district court would have had jurisdiction under McNary for the limited purpose of ensuring that the INS adjudicated his application. Ayuda, 948 F.2d at 751. But, as we pointed out, “that is not this case; there was no evidence presented that any aliens (much less any of the five individual alien plaintiffs) were prevented from filing an application. See Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1341-42.” Id. And, the government assures us, without contradiction, that there is no manual entry involving the “known to the government” issue that could be thought to support a claim that front-desking occurred, and that Legalization Assistants at INS offices were instructed to accept all “known to the government” applicants. Our dissenting colleague argues that the Supreme Court has set forth a slightly more generous test in CSS because it suggested (in a footnote) the “unlikely possibility” that an alien who had been informed that others had been front-desked could show that “the front desking policy was nevertheless a substantial cause of their failure not [sic] to apply.” CSS, — U.S. at - n. 28, 113 S.Ct. at 2500 n. 28. The Supreme Court’s footnote, however, was premised on allegations of front-desking not present in our case. One could not very well be prevented from applying because of a non-existent policy or practice of front-desk-ing.
Since there is not the slightest indication that any of the five plaintiffs in our case suffered a harm that would confer limited jurisdiction on the district court (such as front-desking), we see no justification in continuing this lawsuit.11
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As we said over four years ago, what plaintiffs sought “was an advisory ruling on a potential theory for amnesty.” Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1346. They wished to evade IRCA’s administrative and judicial review scheme by going directly to the district court. The Supreme Court has now definitively determined that if plaintiffs wished to take advantage of the amnesty program, they were obliged to follow IRCA’s procedures. For the foregoing reasons, we reiterate that the district court lacked jurisdiction to issue Supplemental Order V and to order the INS to grant work authorization to aliens who failed to file applications before the May 4, 1988 deadline. These orders are therefore vacated.
. Under IRCA's amnesty'program, the INS cannot use information contained in an application for amnesty against the applicant. See 8 U.S.C. § 1255a(c)(5).
. Only aliens whose illegal status in the United States was "known to the government” are entitled to amnesty under the program.
. Section 1255a(f)(l) states: “[t]here shall be no administrative or judicial review of a determination respecting an application for adjustment of status under this section except in accordance with this subsection.” 8 U.S.C. § 1255a(£)(l). Section 1255a(f)(4)(A) states: "[t]here shall be judicial review of such a denial only in the judicial review of an order of deportation under section' 1105a of this title.” 8 U.S.C. § 1255a(f)(4XA). Section 1105a, in turn, asks us to look at title 28, chapter 158, to ascertain how all review of deportation orders will proceed. 8 U.S.C. § 1105a. Chapter 158 grants jurisdiction to the courts of appeals. 28 U.S.C. § 2342.
. The Seventh Circuit, Morales v. Yeutter, 952 F.2d 954 (7th Cir.1991), and Second Circuit, Perales v. Thornburgh, 967 F.2d 798 (2d Cir.1992), had also held that an INS regulation was directly reviewable in district court.
. We also had recognized the difficulties presented to administrative agencies when a plaintiff, instead of seeking review in the court of appeals of a single case, seeks a broad scale injunction in the district court. See Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1330-31.
. The Court's ripeness test calls into question the § 106 line of cases, Ayuda, 880 F.2d at 1335-36, insofar as they permit substantive legal challenges prior to an alien applying for a benefit.
. The Court was unmoved by the argument that an alien should not have to risk identification in order to seek review and noted that the INS represented that any alien who wished to secure review of his denial of legalization could "surrender ... for deportation.” CSS, - U.S. at - n. 16, 113 S.Ct. at 2494 n. 16.
.[W]e believe McNary holds that if the statutoiy administrative and judicial review scheme provides meaningful court of appeals review of an alien's legal claim, then Congress intended that scheme to be exclusive — ousting the district court of jurisdiction to hear the sort of claim at issue here. It is only when a collateral issue, typically a procedural practice, cannot be adequately presented to the courts of appeals that the exclusivity of section 1255a(f)(l) gives way.
Ayuda, 948 F.2d at 753.
. The district judge appointed special masters after granting complete relief to the plaintiffs in an unusual effort to determine if there was anyone else who might be affected by his order.
. The QDEs could not have had any connection to “front-desking,” even had it occurred. As the Supreme Court made clear, front-desking could occur only if aliens came to an INS office with an application completed and payment in hand, and were then turned away. See CSS, — U.S. at -n. 27, 113 S.Ct. at 2500 n. 27. Aliens who submitted applications with the assistance of QDEs, however, were allowed to skip review by Legalization Assistants who might front-desk applications. Hence, front-desking could only happen when QDEs had absolutely nothing to do with the submission of the application. CSS, - U.S. at - n. 21, 113 S.Ct. at 2498 n. 21.
. Of course, any other alien who could allege that he or she was actually "front-desked” might have a cause of action under the Administrative Procedure Act to compel INS to adjudicate his preferred application. See 5 U.S.C. § 706 (“The reviewing court shall ... compel agency action unlawfully withheld or unreasonably denied.”); CSS, - U.S. at - n. 29, 113 S.Ct. at 2500 n. 29 (noting that a front-desked individual had nevertheless "applied" within the meaning of the statute and could compel the INS to adjudicate that application).