This case and its companion1 require us to consider whether Gilmore v. Taylor, — U.S. -, 113 S.Ct. 2112, 124 L.Ed.2d 306 (1993), impliedly overrules our, earlier decision that the old Illinois Pattern Jury Instructions for murder and manslaughter, when given together, deprive a criminal defendant of due process of law. See Falconer v. Lane, 905 F.2d 1129 (7th Cir.1990). We are not persuaded that it does. Nevertheless, because we conclude that the error was harmless in Thomas’s case, we reverse the judgment below granting him habeas corpus relief.
I. Background
A. Facts
On April 11, 1986, Vincent Thomas shot and killed James Jones. At Thomas’s murder trial, the prosecution portrayed the shooting as deliberate retaliation by Thomas for having been beaten up by Jones the night before. Thomas claimed the shooting was self-defense.
The prosecution called two eyewitnesses. Felbert Morris testified that, on the morning of April 11, he agreed to get a beer with Thomas. The two men drove- off in Morris’s car, Thomas directing Morris to travel in a different route than he originally intended. The car soon approached James Jones and Eric Archie, neither of whom Morris knew. Thomas told Morris to stop the ear and he got out. He approached the two men, and, referring to a fight among them the previous night, said something to the effect of “what are you going to do now?” Further words were exchanged, but Morris could not hear them. Morris then saw Thomas throw a punch at Archie and heard a gunshot. He looked at Thomas and saw a gun in his hand. After the first shot, Jones and Archie ran off in different directions. Morris testified that, as they were fleeing, he saw Thomas fire two shots at one of the men, turn, and fire one shot at the other man. One of these bullets struck Jones in the middle of his back, punctured his heart, and killed him. After getting back into Morris’s ear, Thomas explained that he shot at the men because they had “tied him up and put him in [a] trunk” the night before. Morris testified that he never saw Jones or Archie hold or fire a weapon of any kind.
The prosecution’s second eyewitness was Eric Archie. Archie testified that, on the evening before the shooting, Thomas and Jones had engaged in an extended fist fight, during which Jones apparently beat Thomas quite badly, and that Archie repeatedly intervened .to break up the fighting. The next morning, while he and Jones stood in front of Jones’s car, he saw Thomas drive up in Morris’s car, exit the passenger side door, and approach them. Archie testified that Jones asked Thomas, “You come back to finish the fight?” and that Thomas replied, “No, I[’ve] come back to kill you.” After this'exchange, Thomas pulled out a gun and held it at his side. Thomas swung at Archie with it, who ducked and avoided the blow. Archie then heard a shot from the gun, which Thomas was pointing downward. He saw Jones begin to run and he fled in the opposite direction, realizing that he had been shot in the foot. He testified that, while fleeing, he heard two more shots being fired. He also testified that neither he nor Jones held any weapons or threatened Thomas’s life on that morning or during the fight the night before.
The prosecution also called Officer Wron-ka, who arrived on the scene shortly after Jones was shot, and Detective Flood, who arrived sometime thereafter. They both testified that they searched the area and found no guns or weapons.
Thomas took the stand in his own defense and described a vastly different version of events. Like Archie, he testified that he and Jones had fought at a liquor store the night before the shooting. But, according to him, *1002he arrived at the store and left with Morris, directly contradicting testimony by Morris and Archie that Morris had not been present. Thomas testified that during the initial fight Jones punched him and Archie struck him on his head with a gun. Thomas further testified that, on the morning of the shooting, while he and Morris were driving to the store to get beer, they again happened upon Archie and Jones by chance.' Thomas told Morris to pull over because he wanted to ask the two men why they had beaten him. According to Thomas, Morris then handed him a gun and told him, “if I was you, I would take this gun.” Thomas took the gun, got out of the car, and approached the two men. Archie said to him “Oh, you back?” and then pulled something out of his pocket and swung at Thomas. When Archie swung at him, Thomas fell against a car. His gun, which he said he removed from his pocket as he fell, discharged and accidentally hit Archie in the foot. He testified both that the firing was accidental and that, at the time, he believed Archie was trying to hurt him. After the gun he held went off, he said he heard “five, maybe six shots” coming from Jones’s direction. Fearing that Jones was attempting to kill him, he turned and fired three shots toward Jones. He then got back in Morris’s ear and the two left the scene.
The defense also called Helen Walker, who lived near the alley where the shootings took place. She testified that she heard “just about five” gunshots that morning. On cross examination, she admitted that she previously had told the prosecutor that she heard more than three shots, but that she could not be certain whether there were four or five shots.
Thus, except for Thomas, everyone who saw or heard the incident — prosecution witnesses Morris and' Archie and defense witness Walker — all testified that they heard at least three and at most five gunshots. Thomas testified that, including the shots that Jones fired allegedly causing him to fear for his life, nine or ten shots were fired.
B. Jury. Instructions
The jury was charged on the counts of murder and voluntary manslaughter according to the Illinois Pattern Jury Instructions then in force.2 The jury was instructed that, to convict for murder, it had to find three elements proved beyond a reasonable doubt: first, that Thomas performed the acts that caused Jones’s death; second, that when he performed those acts, he intended to kill or do great bodily harm to Jones;3 and third, that he was not justified in using the force that he used. The jury was instructed that a person is justified in using force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another.
The jury also was charged on both the “unreasonable belief’ and “serious provocation” forms of manslaughter. To convict on unreasonable belief manslaughter, the jury had to find four elements proved beyond a reasonable doubt: first, that Thomas performed the acts that caused Jones’s death; second, that when he performed those acts, he intended to Mil or do great bodily harm to Jones; third, that when he performed those acts, he believed that circumstances existed that would have justified killing Jones; and fourth, that his belief that such circumstances existed was unreasonable. To convict on serious provocation manslaughter, the jury had to find three elements proved beyond a reasonable doubt: first, that Thomas performed the acts that caused Jones’s death; second, that when he performed those acts, he intended to kill or do great bodily harm to Jones; and third, that when he did so he acted under a sudden and intense passion resulting from serious provocation by Jones.
Finally, the jury was told: “The defendant is charged with the offenses of murder and *1003manslaughter for which you will receive three verdict forms. You are to sign only one of these forms.” In other words, the jury could not convict for both murder and manslaughter; it could choose only one.
C. Procedural History
The jury found Thomas guilty of murder and he appealed. One year after his conviction, the Illinois Supreme Court held that the same instructions given in his case were erroneous as a matter of state law. People v. Reddick, 123 Ill.2d 184, 122 Ill.Dec. 1, 526 N.E.2d 141 (1988). The Illinois Supreme Court took petitioner’s case as part of a consolidated appeal to determine the retroactive applicability of its Reddick decision. In People v. Shields, 143 Ill.2d 435, 443-44, 453-54, 159 Ill.Dec. 40, 44, 48-49, 575 N.E.2d 538, 542, 546-47 (1991), it decided that Reddick should apply retroactively because the instructions may violate a defendant’s due process right to a fair trial, but that the error was harmless in Thomas’s case. Thomas then petitioned the United States District Court for a writ of habeas corpus. Following this court’s decision in Falconer v. Lane, which also found that the instructions effect a denial of due process, and finding that the error could not be considered harmless, the district court granted habeas corpus relief. United States ex rel. Vincent Thomas v. Peters, No. 92 C-6958, slip op. at 5-7, 1993 WL 141709 (N.D.Ill. April 30, 1993). The State of Illinois now challenges this judgment.
II. Discussion
On appeal, the State argues that the Supreme Court’s decision in Gilmore v. Taylor “effectively eviscerates” this court’s ruling in Falconer. Alternatively, it urges that the error was harmless in Thomas’s case. Before addressing these claims, we review why this court previously has found these instructions defective.
The linchpin of the problems that flow from these instructions is the failure to inform the jury that a finding of guilt on the manslaughter charge must result in an acquittal on the murder charge. Of particular concern is that the murder charge precedes the manslaughter charge, leading the jury to evaluate whether the evidence supports a murder conviction without ever considering whether the defendant acted under an unreasonable belief or from serious provocation, and thus is guilty only of manslaughter. This court’s first decision finding a due process violation explained that the instructions may give a jury
the false impression that it could convict the petitioner of murder even if she possessed one of the mitigating states of mind described in the voluntary manslaughter instruction.... The murder instruction, in other words, read as though voluntary manslaughter did not exist as a crime.
Falconer v. Lane, 905 F.2d at 1136. A subsequent decision said that the instructions “worked an affirmative injustice; they allowed — even invited — the jury to return a verdict of guilty on the murder charge even if it made findings that should have resulted in a verdict of manslaughter.” United States ex rel. Fleming v. Huch, 924 F.2d 679, 681 (7th Cir.1991). Later, this court described the error as the instructions’ inherent ambiguity, allowing a jury to convict for murder “without considering evidence that would warrant mitigation to voluntary manslaughter.” Taylor v. Gilmore, 954 F.2d 441, 452-53 (7th Cir.1992). In sum, these decisions essentially characterized the error as possibly depriving defendants of the benefit of the affirmative defense of manslaughter and, in so doing, resulting in murder convictions that, under Illinois law, should have been manslaughter convictions.
A. The Supreme Court’s Decision
In Taylor v. Gilmore, this court held that Falconer should apply retroactively. The Supreme Court reversed. Applying the test articulated in Teague v. Lane, 489 U.S. 288, 109 S.Ct. 1060, 103 L.Ed.2d 334 (1989), it held that Falconer announced a “new rule” and would not be given retroactive effect. Gilmore v. Taylor, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2119. The State would have us read Gilmore as also holding that the instructional error here was one of state law only, unre-viewable by a federal habeas court. We are reluctant, however, not to take the Supreme *1004Court at its word. The Court repeatedly-made plain that “[t]he retroactivity of Falconer under Teague and its progeny is the only question before us in this case.” Gilmore, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2116 (emphasis added). The Court explicitly recognized the State’s argument that the error was one wholly of state law and stated that it “need not address this contention.” Id. — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2117.4
Instead, to determine if Falconer announced a new rule with prospective effect only, the Court analyzed whether it was “ ‘dictated by precedent existing at the time the defendant’s conviction became final.’” Id. — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2116 (quoting Teague, 489 U.S. at 301, 109 S.Ct. at 1070) (internal quotation omitted). Applying this stringent test, it found no such precedent. See id. — U.S. at - - -, 113 S.Ct. at 2117-19. For example, the cases recognizing that due process requires the prosecution to prove each element of the charged crime beyond a reasonable doubt, but allows states to place upon defendants the burden of proving affirmative defenses, see Martin v. Ohio, 480 U.S. 228, 233, 107 S.Ct. 1098, 1101-02, 94 L.Ed.2d 267 (1987); Patterson v. New York, 432 U.S. 197, 210, 97 S.Ct. 2319, 2327, 53 L.Ed.2d 281 (1977); In re Winship, 397 U.S. 358, 364, 90 S.Ct. 1068, 1072-73, 25 L.Ed.2d 368 (1970), convinced the Court that “the result reached in Falconer ” was “not compelled]” by precedent. Id. — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2117.5 In short, the Court refrained from deciding a question of law and confined itself to deciding whether the answer to that question was “foreordained.” Id. — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2119.
It is true, as Justice O’Connor indicated in her concurrence, that the Court’s decision can be misread as holding that the error identified by Falconer did not constitute a violation of due process. It is also true that one can point to statements suggesting justices’ then existing attitude on the merits. But the issue on the merits was neither presented nor decided. Only a few months ago the Court invoked what Justice Scalia called its “customary refusal to be bound by dicta.” U.S. Bancorp Mortgage Co. v. Bonner Mall Partnership, — U.S. -, -, 115 S.Ct. 386, 391, 130 L.Ed.2d 233 (1994). As the instant case illustrates, there is good reason for this practice. Because neither the litigants nor the Court focused on the question of whether a due process violation was committed, the nature of the instructional defect was not explored at length. Indeed, the Court’s opinion described the error most briefly — as “preventing the jury from considering evidence of [defendant’s] affirmative defense.” Gilmore, — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2118. The other justices’ opinions described the error in the same way. Id. — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2122 (O’Connor, J., concurring); id. — U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2126 (Blackmun, J., dissenting).
Because the State suggests that, even if Gilmore did not expressly overrule Falconer, it shows that Falconer was wrongly decided, we have endeavored to revisit the instructions at issue to evaluate anew their effect upon a jury. That review has led us to look at prior concerns in a different way and has made even clearer the nature and gravity of the inherent error. As discussed below, in addition to the flaws already recognized, these instructions have the effect of imposing *1005on the jury a purely arbitrary decision between a verdict of murder and one of manslaughter. Since this defect had not been identified, the Gilmore Court could not have passed upon its constitutionality. We therefore decline the invitation to extrapolate Gilmore to compel the overruling of Falconer.
B. The Constitutional Violation
To understand how these instructions force jurors into an arbitrary decision between murder and manslaughter, one must recall how these crimes are defined and that the jury is never instructed that a finding of guilt on the manslaughter charge precludes a finding of guilt on the murder charge. An intentional killing with an unreasonable subjective belief in justification is manslaughter; under these instructions, however, it is simultaneously and necessarily also murder because it is also an intentional killing without justification, that is, without an objectively reasonable belief that the use of force is necessary. Additionally, when a killing is driven by a sudden and intense passion resulting from serious provocation — -and thus is manslaughter — it is also carried out without justification — and thus is murder. In other words, under these instructions, it is logically impossible to commit manslaughter without thereby committing murder.6
These instructions, then, do more than possibly deprive a defendant of the benefit of the affirmative defense of manslaughter; they do more than cause murder convictions that, had state law been applied correctly, should have been manslaughter convictions only. They place'a jury that has determined that the defendant killed based on an unreasonable but honestly held belief or from serious provocation in an impossible situation. The jury has been instructed that it may convict for manslaughter alone, or murder alone, but not both. Yet under these instructions the defendant must be found guilty of manslaughter and, at the same time, he must be found guilty of murder. There exists no basis in fact or law for a jury to decide which verdict to return; indeed, logically the decision cannot be made. Such a scheme makes a jury’s decision whether to convict for murder or manslaughter purely arbitrary, or worse, driven by impermissible considerations such as the defendant’s race, decision to testify in his own defense, prior convictions, or other such irrelevant factors. Seen in this light, the error profoundly corrupts “ ‘the central purpose of a criminal trial ... to decide the factual question of the defendant’s guilt or innocence.’ ” Arizona v. Fulminante, 499 U.S. 279, 308, 111 S.Ct. 1246, 1264, 113 L.Ed.2d 302 (1991) (quoting Delaware v. Van Arsdall, 475 U.S. 673, 681, 106 S.Ct. 1431, 1436, 89 L.Ed.2d 674 (1986)).
The salient question is whether placing a jury in a position where it is forced to decide between murder and manslaughter on a purely arbitrary or otherwise impermissible basis raises “ ‘a reasonable likelihood that the jury has applied the challenged instruction in a way’ that violates the constitution.” Estelle v. McGuire, 502 U.S. 62, 72, 112 S.Ct. 475, 482, 116 L.Ed.2d 385 (1991) (quoting Boyde v. California, 494 U.S. 370, 380, 110 S.Ct. 1190, 1197-98, 108 L.Ed.2d 316 (1990)). Even outside the criminal context, where special protections apply, purely arbitrary deprivations of liberty or property have been held to run afoul of due process.7
*1006We believe that, by forcing the jury to make the grave decision between murder and manslaughter on the basis of lot or bias, these instructions violate the right to a fair trial protected by the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause and the Sixth Amendment right to trial by jury. See Weiss v. United States, — U.S. -, -, 114 S.Ct. 752, 761, 127 L.Ed.2d 1 (1994) (“It is elementary that ‘a fair trial in a fair tribunal is a basic requirement of due process.’”) (quoting In re Murchison, 349 U.S. 133, 136, 75 S.Ct. 623, 625, 99 L.Ed. 942 (1955)); Morgan v. Illinois, 504 U.S. 719, -, 112 S.Ct. 2222, 2228, 119 L.Ed.2d 492 (1992) (“ ‘[T]he right to a jury trial guarantees to the criminally accused a fair trial ...’”) (quoting Irvin v. Dowd, 366 U.S. 717, 81 S.Ct. 1639, 6 L.Ed.2d 751 (1961)).8 We cannot, at this juncture, predict that the Supreme Court would disagree.
Nor can we accept our concurring brother’s reading of our opinion as a “renunciation” of Falconer. As we observe in note 5, supra at 8, the Falconer error goes beyond burden shifting to a complete removal of an affirmative defense — something that neither Martin v. Ohio nor Patterson v. New York went so far as to uphold. The Falconer court’s conclusion that such a situation violates due process remains viable.
Moreover, the concurrence, viewing the additional problem we identify differently than we do, marshals arguments relevant only to its view. The constitutional defect is not the mere chance that jurors might be influenced by impermissible factors, or that they will disregard “distasteful” jury instructions, or that the instructions are “too clear.” Rather, the problem, in our view, is that jurors faced with a defendant who has committed manslaughter are placed in a Catch-22: they must convict for both murder and manslaughter, yet, they must convict for only murder or manslaughter; they must distinguish between murder and manslaughter, yet, the manslaughterer is equally a murderer. Unable to comply with such contradictory instructions, their verdicts cannot but be arbitrary. Accordingly, Court precedents upholding prosecutorial discretion and jurors’ discretion to exercise mercy in capital cases, or construing two criminal statutes to be mutually exclusive, do not, in our view, reach this problem.
C. Harmless Error
As several recent decisions make clear, the instructional error here is subject to harmless error analysis despite earlier statements that it is “inherently prejudicial.” See Green v. Peters, 36 F.3d 602, 607-08 (7th Cir.1994); Cuevas v. Washington, 36 F.3d 612, 619-21 (7th Cir.1994); Rosa v. Peters, 36 F.3d 625, 630-32 (7th Cir.1994); Carter v. DeTella, 36 F.3d 1385, 1391-93 (7th Cir.1994). The test is “whether, in light of the record as a whole,” the error “ ‘had substantial and injurious effect or influence in determining the jury’s verdict.’ ” Brecht v. Abrahamson, — U.S. -, -, 113 S.Ct. 1710, 1722, 123 L.Ed.2d 353 (1993) (quoting Kotteakos v. United States, 328 U.S. 750, 776, 66 S.Ct. 1239, 1253, 90 L.Ed. 1557 (1946)); Carter, 36 F.3d at 1392. Furthermore, this Circuit has held that applying the Brecht test “requires the habeas court to evaluate to some extent the probability of the outcome if the case were tried under proper instructions,” an inquiry that may indeed touch upon questions of witness credibility. Cuevas, 36 F.3d at 620-21; Rosa, 36 F.3d at 632; Carter, 36 F.3d at 1392.9 As guided by these *1007principles, our review of Thomas’s trial transcript satisfies us that the error was harmless in his ease.
According to Thomas’s version of events, he shot at Jones only to protect himself from the bullets Jones was firing at him. Indeed, he testified that he saw Jones firing “a black gun” at him and “s[aw] the bullets [and] heard the bullets pass my ear.” Had the jury believed this, it should have acquitted Thomas because he would have been acting in self defense.10 The jury did not. Based on its verdict, the jury must have found Thomas’s story incredible. We can readily understand this decision: Jones’s purported weapon was never found; Jones was shot squarely in the back, despite Thomas’s testimony that he fired at Jones while Jones was firing at him; and all three witnesses, other than Thomas, testified to three, four or five shots being fired, rather than the nine or ten that would have been fired according to Thomas’s account.
The only way the jury should have convicted for manslaughter — and therefore the only way the error was prejudicial to Thomas— was if it found that he actually believed that Jones was firing at him or that he was acting-out of a sudden and intense passion caused by Jones’s serious provocation. It seems clear to us that, in rejecting his testimony that Jones was actually firing at him, the jury made a determination that left little or no room for such a finding of mitigating mental state. Moreover, we find the evidence overwhelming that Jones never had a gun that morning, and that Thomas shot Jones in revenge for the previous night’s beating.11 Thus, to the extent that a manslaughter verdict remained a logical possibility in light of the jury’s rejection of Thomas’s story, it seems sufficiently unlikely to us that we find the instructional defect in this case harmless.
Indeed, prior decisions of this Circuit have found harmless error despite evidence supporting manslaughter of at least comparable weight to that presented here. See Cuevas, 36 F.3d at 620-21 (defendant testified that man she killed had physically abused her in the past and had recently assaulted her and explicitly threatened her life); Rosa, 36 F.3d at 627-28, 631-32 (defendant gave statement that he and a friend were approached by a group of men from hostile gang; he fired weapon that killed victim only after he heard someone shout, “Get them,” and heard gunshots); Carter, 36 F.3d at 1391-93 (defendant testified that victim had swung a baseball bat at him, trying to kill him; defendant then wrestled the bat away and hit victim with it). Further, we note that a majority of the Supreme Court of Illinois found that the error in Thomas’s case was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. Shields, 143 Ill.2d at 453-54, 159 Ill.Dec. at 49, 575 N.E.2d at 547. Faced with Brecht’s less stringent standard, and this Circuit’s decisions applying harmless error in this area, we conclude that the instructional defect does not require issuance of the writ in this case.
Accordingly, the judgment below is REVERSED.
. Toney v. Peters, 48 F.3d 993 (7th Cir.1995).
. Illinois’s murder and voluntary manslaughter statutes were revised, effective July 1, 1987, to create the offenses of first and second degree murder.
. The intent to kill element, as it appears in the murder charge and both voluntary manslaughter charges, is also satisfied if he knew his acts would cause or create the strong probability of causing death or great bodily harm to Jones.
. Any doubts about whether the majority went further than it said are also dispelled by both the concurrence and the dissent filed in the case. Justice O'Connor, joined by Justice White, concurred specifically to prevent the misreading of the majority opinion that the State urges upon us. Id.,-U.S. at-, 113 S.Ct. at 2123 (“I do not join the Court’s opinion ... because it could be read (wrongly, in my view) as suggesting that the Court of Appeals' decision in this case applied not only a new rule, but also an incorrect one.''). Justice Blackmun, joined by Justice Stevens, began his dissenting opinion by criticizing the majority for failing to reach the issue of whether the instructions violate due process.
. The Falconer error, of course, does more than place upon a defendant the burden of proving the affirmative defense of manslaughter; it may deprive a defendant of this affirmative defense entirely. See Falconer, 905 F.2d at 1136 (“No matter which side carried the burden of proof on any particular element or defense,.... the jury could nevertheless return a murder verdict. ..."); see also Gilmore, - U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2122 (petitioner's contention "does not concern the allocation of burdens of proof; he argues that the jury did not consider his defense at all”) (O’Connor, J., concurring).
. The opposite is not true: the instructions still make it possible to commit murder without committing manslaughter.
. See Honda Motor Co., Ltd. v. Oberg, - U.S. -, - - -, 114 S.Ct. 2331, 2339-42, 129 L.Ed.2d 336 (1994) (arbitrary punitive damages awards violate due process; the "whole purpose” of the Due Process Clause is to prevent "arbitrary deprivations of liberty or property"); Superintendent, Massachusetts Correctional Institute, Walpole v. Hill, 472 U.S. 445, 454-55, 105 S.Ct. 2768, 2773-74, 86 L.Ed.2d 356 (1985) (arbitrary revocation of prisoners’ accumulated "good time” credits violates minimum requirements of due process). Here, the "amount” of arbitrarily deprived liberty is great: at the relevant time, manslaughter was punishable by a sentence of between four and fifteen years; murder was punishable by a sentence of between twenty and forty years. See Ill.Rev.Stat., ch. 38, HV9-2(c), 1005-8-1(1) and (4) (1985). "Indeed, when viewed in terms of the potential difference in restrictions of personal liberty attendant to each conviction, the distinction ... between murder and manslaughter may be of greater importance than the difference between guilt or innocence for many lesser crimes.” Mullaney v. Wilbur, 421 U.S. 684, 698, 95 S.Ct. 1881, 1889, 44 L.Ed.2d 508 (1975).
. The purpose of the Sixth Amendment right to trial by jury is “to make available the commonsense judgment of the community” as a hedge against "the exercise of arbitrary power,” Taylor v. Louisiana, 419 U.S. 522, 530, 95 S.Ct. 692, 697-98, 42 L.Ed.2d 690 (1975), goals we think are defeated by these instructions.
. The Supreme Court recently discussed harmless error analysis in Sullivan v. Louisiana, - U.S. -, -, 113 S.Ct. 2078, 124 L.Ed.2d 182 (1993). In that case, the Court held that defective reasonable doubt instructions are not susceptible to harmless error analysis and thus always invalidate a criminal conviction. In so holding, the Court explained its reasoning in a way that might be applicable to harmless error analysis beyond the context of defective reasonable doubt instructions. The Court stated that the harmless error inquiry “is not whether, in a trial that occurred without the error, a guilty verdict would surely have been rendered.” Such an inquiry is forbidden "because to hypothesize a guilty verdict that was never in fact rendered— no matter how inescapable the findings to support the verdict might be — would violate the *1007[Sixth Amendment] jury-trial guarantee.” Instead, the inquiry is "whether the guilty verdict actually rendered in this trial was surely unattributable to the error.” Id. -U.S. at-, 113 S.Ct. at 2081-82.
The Court thus adopted the harmless error analysis urged by Justice Scalia in Carella v. California, 491 U.S. 263, 267, 109 S.Ct. 2419, 2421-22, 105 L.Ed.2d 218 (1989) (per curiam) (Scalia, J„ concurring), whereby error is deemed harmless if untainted fact findings by the jury are so closely related to the facts found via the defective instruction that no rational juror could find one without the other. See Sullivan, - U.S. at -, 113 S.Ct. at 2082; Carella, 491 U.S. at 271, 109 S.Ct. at 2423-24. See also United States v. Parmelee, 42 F.3d 387 (7th Cir.1994) (applying Sullivan harmless error test to instruction that was missing required element). Because this approach was explicitly urged by Judge Ripple in several recently decided cases applying harmless error analysis to the Falconer error, see Green, Cuevas, Rosa, Carter, supra, but was rejected by the majority of that panel, we do not apply that analysis here.
. There is nothing in the instructional defect that would have led the jury not to acquit had self defense been established.
. As noted, Archie testified that Jones asked Thomas if he had come back to finish their fight, to which Thomas replied, "No, I’[ve] come back to kill you.” Morris testified that Thomas told him he shot Jones in retaliation for the previous night’s events.