dissenting.
I respectfully dissent. Today’s ruling eliminates the ability of a trustee in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy case to object to a proof of claim filed without the documentation necessary for effective review of the claim. Although the majority recognizes the duty of a Chapter 7 trustee to review claims and object where appropriate,1 they fail to explain how a trustee deprived of any information regarding the claim is to formulate and present a cogent objection. I would affirm the decision of the bankruptcy court.
1. Facts of the Case.
Our facts are simple. B-Line filed the Claim2 without supporting documents. Thereafter, the Trustee asked B-Line to provide some documentation to establish the validity of the Claim. B-Line admitted it could not do so.3 After an evidentia-ry hearing, the bankruptcy court found that: (1) B-Line had the burden of proof to establish the validity of the Claim; (2) due to the lack of documentation attached to it, the Claim was not entitled to a presumption of prima facie validity; and (3) in response to the Trustee’s Objection, B-Line offered no evidence in support of the Claim. As a result, the Claim was not allowed. Such a result hardly seems earth-shattering.
II. Grounds for Affirmance
Unlike the majority, I do not view disal-lowance of the Claim as “based solely on the lack of supporting documentation” attached to the proof of claim.4 Rather, the *355Claim was disallowed because, after ample opportunity to produce supporting documents following the Objection, B-Line acknowledged it could not do so.5 In reviewing the bankruptcy court’s decision to disallow the Claim, three questions must be answered. The first is whether the bankruptcy court correctly permitted the lack of supporting documentation attached to B-Line’s proof of claim to form the basis of the Trustee’s Objection to the Claim. Next, we must consider whether the bankruptcy court correctly refused to shift the burden of proof from B-Line to the Trustee. Finally, we must ask whether the bankruptcy court’s disallowance of the Claim in this case was permissible under 11 U.S.C. § 502(b)(1).6
A. Lack of Documentation as Basis for Objection
On appeal, B-Line argues that Trustee should not be allowed to object to the Claim solely on the basis that its proof of claim lacks any supporting documentation. Some bankruptcy courts make no distinction between objections to claims and dis-allowance of claims, and have taken the position that the only bases for objecting to a claim are those enumerated in § 502(b).7 Certainly, § 502(b) provides the only bases for disallowing a claim, but § 502(b) says nothing about the bases for objecting to a claim. Allowing a Chapter 7 trustee to object to a claim filed without supporting documents does no violence to § 502(b), and does not affect a substantive right. In this case, it only permits the Trustee to require B-Line to prove that it holds a viable claim that should be paid from property of the bankruptcy estate.
Pursuant to § 704(5), a Chapter 7 trustee is required to “if a purpose would be served, examine proofs of claims and object to the allowance of any claim that is improper.”8 This duty is an integral part of a trustee’s responsibility to ensure proper distribution of the estate’s assets. When a claim is presented:
[T]he bankruptcy court whose aid is sought for enforcement of an asserted claim is not bound to treat the tendered proof as conclusive. When objections are made, it is duty bound to pass on them. That process is, indeed, of basic importance in the administration of a bankruptcy estate whether the objective *356be liquidation or reorganization. Without that sifting process, unmeritorious or excessive claims might dilute the participation of the legitimate claimants.9
To hold that a trustee cannot object to a creditor’s proof of claim filed without supporting documents significantly curtails this important “sifting process,” and directly contravenes the duties imposed upon a Chapter 7 trustee by § 704(5).10
Courts that have held § 502(b) provides the only basis for objecting to claims reason that allowing an objection on the basis of lack of supporting documentation is tantamount to permitting § 502 to be substantively altered by a rule (Rule 3001),11 which is, of course, prohibited.12 While the substantive law regarding allowance of claims is governed by §§ 501 and 502, the procedures regarding allowance of claims are found in the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure. These procedures permit a party to gather information sufficient to determine whether a claim should or should not be allowed.13
Here, the Trustee is in effect saying, “the Claim is not entitled to a presumption of validity. Without more information, I cannot tell whether this is a valid claim. Therefore, I object unless and until the creditor gives me something which establishes they are entitled to payment.” The filing of such an objection is well within a trustee’s discretion. Moreover, the sustaining of an objection to claim where the creditor admits it cannot establish its claim is proper.
To the extent the majority states that “if a trustee intends to assert a legal argument that the claim is unenforceable under an agreement or applicable law, he must assert a good faith basis for these grounds in his objection,” 14 the argument elevates form over substance. The most difficult question to answer is the easiest question to ask: how is a trustee supposed to determine whether “the claim is unenforceable under an agreement or applicable law” when denied access to the documentation which created the claim? In this case, where B-Line responded to the Objection by stating, “I cannot establish my claim,” I am at a complete loss as to the basis for allowing the claim.15
*357The logic of allowing objections to proofs of claim for lack of supporting documentation is demonstrated by the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in In re Stoecker16 and the result reached therein. In Stoecker, the only decision on this issue by a Court of Appeals, the bankruptcy court disallowed a creditor’s proof of claim without leave to amend, because it did not comply with the mandatory requirements of Rule 3001. The Seventh Circuit responded:
All that the rule says, so far as bears on this case, is that the filing of a proof of claim with the required documentation is prima facie evidence that the claim is valid. Fed. R. Bankr.P. 3001(c), (d), (f). If the documentation is missing, the creditor cannot rest on the proof of claim. It does not follow that he is forever barred from establishing the claim.... A creditor should therefore be allowed to amend his incomplete proof of claim (what is often called an “informal proof of claim”) to comply with the requirements of Rule 3001, provided that other creditors are not harmed by the belated completion of the filing.17
The Seventh Circuit did not say that the trustee should be prevented from objecting to the proof of claim for lack of required documentation. Nor did the Seventh Circuit say that the trustee’s objection should have been overruled. Instead, the court provided the claimant with an opportunity to prove the validity of its claim, and noted that failure to do so would result in disallowance of the claim. This is the only tenable result, for if the trustee has no documentation regarding the claim, his or her duty to investigate the validity of the claim is severely diminished, if not completely destroyed.
B. Standard of Evidence Required for Shifting the Burden of Proof
The second question is whether the bankruptcy court correctly refused to shift the burden of proof from B-Line to the Trustee. More specifically, the question is whether something other than satisfying the Rule 3001(f) requirements for prima facie validity will shift the burden of proof from the claimant to the party objecting to the claim. As the bankruptcy court accurately pointed out, “[t]he placement of the burden of proof in the claims adjudication process controls the outcome of this case.”18
The Supreme Court stated that “the burden of proof is an essential element of the claim itself; one who asserts a claim is entitled to the burden of proof that normally comes with it.”19 The bankruptcy court held that B-Line failed to meet its burden of proof to substantiate its Claim, and that the burden to disprove claims without any documents to support their validity should not be placed on the Trustee.20 I agree. A trustee does not have firsthand knowledge of the debtor’s financial affairs.21 Assigning a trustee the diffi*358cult task of “proving a negative” is wholly inconsistent with the mandate that the Rules “be construed to secure the just, speedy, and inexpensive determination of every case and proceeding.”22
Although bankruptcy courts agree that “[i]f objection is made to the proof of claim, the creditor has the ultimate burden of persuasion as to the validity and amount of the claim,”23 they disagree about what is required to shift the burden of production or going forward with the evidence from a creditor making a claim to an objecting party.24 The correct answer is found in Rule 3001(f) — “[a] proof of claim executed and filed in accordance with these rules shall constitute prima facie evidence of the validity and amount of the claim.”25 If the prima facie standard is met by the creditor, then, and only then, should the burden of producing evidence shift to the objecting party.26 To hold otherwise would render the documentation requirements of Rule 3001(c) superfluous.27
In this case, the bankruptcy court correctly ruled that because B-Line produced no evidence to support its Claim, the Claim was not entitled to prima facie validity. As a result, the burden of proof did not shift to the Trustee. The bankruptcy court also ruled that the Debtor’s schedules were not admissible against the Trustee, and therefore concluded that the record was devoid of any evidence that would support the Claim. The decision of the bankruptcy court is consistent with this Court’s prior decision in In re Broadband Wireless28 where we stated that “if the [proof of claim] were executed or filed improperly it was not prima facie evidence of [creditor’s] claim, and [creditor] would have the initial burden of proving that a claim exists and the amount of that claim. His failure to do so would require the disallowance of his claim.”29 Here, the burden of going forward remained with B-Line, and failing the production of any *359evidence, the bankruptcy court was required to disallow the Claim.
The majority takes the position that a claim executed under penalty of perjury should be deemed credible even if the claimant can offer no factual basis in its support, so long as the claim was signed by the claimant. The majority apparently sees this as granting a claim some measure of validity that is less than prima facie validity. I do not believe that such an animal exists. Prima facie validity is not incremental in nature. It either exists or it does not. If a claim is deemed allowed in the face of an objection unless the objecting party presents evidence to defeat the claim, then that claim is provided with prima facie validity. Courts that have found that deficient proofs of claim constitute “some” evidence of the creditor’s claim and then looked to the objector to present evidence to defeat the claim disregard Rule 3001(f).30 The decision today likewise grants every claim prima facie validity, and eviscerates Rule 3001(f). It is imprudent for us to judicially repeal a legitimately enacted Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure.
C. Disallowance of Claim as Unenforceable
The third and final question is whether the bankruptcy court’s decision to disallow the Claim was proper under § 502(b)(1). Section 502(b)(1) provides that a claim shall be allowed, except to the extent that “such claim is unenforceable against the debtor and property of the debtor, under any agreement or applicable law for a reason other than because such claim is contingent or unmatured.” Although the bankruptcy court did not specifically reference § 502(b)(1), the bankruptcy court disallowed the Claim because, without any evidence to support it, the Claim was “unenforceable.”
As stated by the bankruptcy court:
The Code and Rules balance the interests of debtors and creditors by placing the initial burden on a claimant to come forward with evidence to support its claim. The Court will not upset this balance by allowing the Claim without sufficient evidence of its validity.
[B-Line] was required to present some evidence that it has a valid claim. Failing that, the Claim must be disallowed.31
Further, B-Line admitted it did not have the ability to prove up the Claim. Surely it would be required to do so under state law. If a creditor cannot establish his or her claim under state law, would that not make the claim “unenforceable against the debtor and property of the debtor, under any agreement or applicable law” for purposes of § 502(b)(1)? For example, if a creditor filed suit on a promissory note or credit agreement, and could not produce the note or agreement, or at least prove its terms, the creditor would lose.
Because the Claim was unenforceable, the bankruptcy court’s disallowance of B-Line’s Claim was for a reason permitted under § 502. To find otherwise ignores the reality of the situation and exalts form over substance. Such a ruling is inconsistent with the traditional role of a bankruptcy court as a court of equity.32
*360III. The Alleged “Exclusive View”
The majority opinion is based upon the premise that there exists an “Exclusive View” contained in some eleven published decisions which supports the conclusion that a Chapter 7 trustee may not file an objection to claim based upon the inability of a claimant to establish the claim’s validity.33 While such a statement fosters a perception that the majority decision in this ease is reflective of mainstream thought, it is inaccurate. Rather than lumping these eleven cases together, as the majority does, the facts and legal reasoning of each case must be examined independently. Such an examination reveals that, at best, only one case supports the decision reached by the majority today.
A. Objection by the Chapter 7 Trustee — In re Burkett34
Burkett is the only case in the so-called “Exclusive View” in which the party objecting to the claim was a Chapter 7 trustee. Like this case, in Burkett, the trustee objected based on lack of documentation attached to the proofs of claim. The bankruptcy court centered its analysis on whether there was a legitimate question regarding the propriety of the claim, noting that “[i]f there is no underlying factual dispute as to the validity, ownership or amount of a claim, a debtor or trustee has no basis for filing an objection for lack of documentation unless the debtor or trustee alleges a basis that would require reduction or disallowance under § 502.”35
However, the court in Burkett also stated that
On the other hand, if a proof of claim lacking proper attachments does not correlate to a debt scheduled by the debtor, or aspects of the claim differ from the scheduled debt, this may give rise to a valid objection by the debtor or trustee for lack of verification of ownership and/or the amount of the claim. Because the creditor did not attach documentation meeting the requirements of Rule 3001 and Official Form 10, the creditor’s claim would not be entitled to the Rule 3001(f) presumption of validity. Consequently, a failure to respond to the objection could lead to disallowance of the claim and, even if the creditor does respond, the creditor will carry the burden of going forward as well as the ultimate burden of proof to establish its claim at the hearing on the substantive objection.36
Notwithstanding this pronouncement, the court overruled the trustee’s objections, and informed trustees that as to future cases, “the court recommends that trustees compare the proofs of claim filed in a case against the debtor’s schedules. To the extent they do not match, and the proofs of claim are not substantiated by attachments, a trustee may have a basis for a substantive objection based upon the dissimilarities. However, the substantive basis for the objection must be described *361clearly in the trustee’s objection.”37 In so holding, the Burkett court neglected to answer the key underlying question: how is a trustee to divine a substantive basis for a claim objection when a claimant fails to provide the documentation necessary to review the claim? The same question goes unanswered by the majority today.
B. Objection by the Chapter 13 Trustee — In re Shaffner38
In Shaffner, the claims objection was brought by the Chapter 13 trustee. At issue was a claim in the amount of $148.75 submitted by an individual for “services performed.”39 The sole basis for objection was that the claimant did not attach “any documents evidencing the debt.”40 Though she objected, the trustee did not dispute the validity of the claim, and admitted that the claim was unlikely to have generated any documentation.41 The court overruled the objection, holding that “it is quite clear that the Chapter 13 trustee cannot have [creditor’s] claim judicially invalidated simply because the Chapter 13 trustee is of the opinion that [creditor] did not fill out a form correctly.”42 Put another way, the claim in Shaffner was allowed because the trustee admitted the claim was valid and that there was no documentation in existence to attach to the claim.
The fact that the Shaffner court allowed the claim on these facts does nothing to support the conclusion reached by the majority. In the instant case, the majority concludes that a Chapter 7 trustee may not object to, and a bankruptcy court may not disallow, a claim where the claimant has refused to provide any evidence to support the validity of the Claim. Unlike Shaffner, however, the Trustee does not admit the validity of the Claim nor that supporting documentation is unlikely to exist.
C. Objections by Debtors
1. In re Cluff43
In Cluff, debtors in several Chapter 13 cases filed objections to certain of their unsecured claims. The claims at issue were listed as undisputed in the debtors’ schedules44 The court noted that “[t]he [djebtors’ [sic] do not object to the claims because they assert the amounts are not owed; instead they argue that the documentation attached to the claims, if any, does not fulfill the requirements of Fed. R. Bankr.P. 3001(c) and therefore the claims should be disallowed.”45 The Cluff court overruled debtors’ objections, but in so doing, explained the duty of a creditor whose claim is not entitled to prima facie validity:
Prima facie validity simply means that all the facts in the claim are presumed to be true unless disproved by some evidence to the contrary. If a claim’s prima facie validity is lost, then the creditor has the initial burden of proving that the claim exists and the amount of that claim. Failure to fulfill *362this burden results in the disallowance of a creditor’s claim.46
More importantly, the Clujf court expressly omitted objections by a Chapter 7 trustee from the scope of its ruling:
As a final note, it is important to distinguish these Chapter 13 cases from Chapter 7 or 11 cases in which a trustee reviews a proof of claim asserting that the debtor owes a debt, but the claim does not attach documents supporting the claim. Unless claims are already listed as disputed, unliquidated, or contingent on a debtor’s statements and schedules, a Chapter 7 or 11 trustee must examine a debtor’s books and records to determine which claims are truly owed and which claims are objectionable. The Chapter 7 or 11 trustee is not privy to the personal history of the debt- or and does not have first-hand knowledge of the debtor’s debts. A mere formal objection from a Chapter 7 or 11 trustee does not raise the same issues of bad faith which may arise when a debt- or, who has personal knowledge of a debt and who has admitted to that debt, later objects to the undisputed claim based on a technicality.47
The majority’s ruling today is not an adoption of the Clujf analysis — instead, it is an extension of the Clujf holding to encompass objections by Chapter 7 trustees. That very extension was considered and rejected by the court in Clujf.
The majority justifies its reliance upon Clujf by contending that the limitation of the decision to claims objections made by debtors is mere dicta, and that the ruling applies to objections by trustees as well.48 The argument does great violence to the decision of the trial court. The court in Clujf tried a real dispute between a debtor and a creditor, basing its decision upon the facts of that case. It chose to restrict its ruling to objections to claims filed by debtors. I am unaware of any legal principle that prevents a court from limiting its ruling to the facts before it. I can only imagine the reaction of the court in Clujf if, in a later case involving a claims objection by a trustee, the creditor argued that the court was somehow bound to apply Clujf to that trustee. I fail to understand how the majority can rely upon a decision which explicitly rejects the premise which the majority adopts.
2. In re Dove-Nation49
In Dove-Nation, a Chapter 13 debtor objected to two claims for credit card debt. Even though the creditors attached account summaries to their proofs of claim, the debtor objected to the claims based on the following: (1) the documentation attached to the claim did not comply with Rules 3001 or 3002; (2) the claimant did not attach the original writing creating the debt or a copy thereof and did not explain why said writing was unavailable; and (3) the claimant failed to attach all of the documents supporting the claim to the proof of claim.50 The debtor conceded she had no valid underlying basis to object to the claims under § 502. Moreover, she originally scheduled the claims as undisputed. Debtor amended her schedules to list the claims as disputed only after filing *363objections to the claims. Additionally, the Chapter 13 trustee testified that he had examined the claims and found no reason to object to them.51 The bankruptcy court allowed the claims.
On appeal, the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel of the Eighth Circuit affirmed, finding that the creditors had substantially complied with the Rules.52 Citing Chuff, the court said “[e]ven if the proofs of claim are not entitled to prima facie validity, they are some evidence of the Claimant’s claims.”53 Therefore, the court shifted the burden of proof to the debtor, who presented no evidence to support her objections.
It is impossible to meaningfully compare the facts of Dove-Nation with the facts of the case at bar. In Dove-Nation, the creditors attached account summaries to their claims. The debtor originally admitted that the claims were valid. The Chapter 13 trustee performed his statutory duty and determined that the claims were meritorious. The effect of the Dove-Nation decision was to hold the debtor to the admissions contained in her original schedules. To the extent Dove-Nation stands for the proposition that an executed claim, without more, is sufficient to shift the burden of proof from the claimant to the objecting party, I respectfully disagree.
In the present case, the Claim was submitted without corroborating documents. Due to the lack of said documentation, the Trustee was prevented from examining the Claim in order to determine its validity. I fail to see how the result reached in Dove-Nation supports the conclusions of the majority today.
3. In re Heath54
Heath was a Chapter 7 case in which debtors objected to various credit card debt claims. Debtors objected only because the claims did not attach supporting documentation; debtors listed the claims as undisputed in their schedules. After a hearing, the bankruptcy court allowed the claims in the amounts listed on the debtors’ schedules, NOT the amounts set forth on the proofs of claim. In so ruling, the bankruptcy court explained that “[t]he debtors are estopped to file objections inconsistent with their own schedules....”55 On appeal, the Chapter 7 trustee filed an amicus brief in support of the claimants. The Bankruptcy Appellate Panel of the Ninth Circuit affirmed.
The majority touts Heath as support for their conclusion, claiming that the court in Heath “held that § 502(b) sets forth the exclusive grounds for claims objections.”56 Such a statement ignores the Heath court’s express statement that “[i]f the creditor does not provide information or is unable to support its claim, then that in itself may raise an evidentiary basis to object to the unsupported aspects of the claim, or even a basis for evidentiary sanctions, thereby coming within Section 502(b)’s grounds to disallow the claim,”57 which supports the bankruptcy court’s decision in the present case. Moreover, because Heath is so factually dissimilar to the case at bar, it does not support the result which the majority reaches today.
*3644. In re Mazzoni58
In this Chapter 18 proceeding, the debt- or objected to four creditors’ proofs of claim on the ground that “ ‘the writing on which the claim is based is not attached to the Proof of Claim.’ ”59 The debtor scheduled three of the debts as undisputed, while the fourth debt was unscheduled. The Mazzoni court overruled the objections, stating that “in order to prevail on her objections to the Creditors’ proofs of claim, [debtor] must come forward with evidence that would minimally ‘meet, overcome, or at least equalize’ the Creditors’ statements on the proofs of claim.”60 The court found that the debtor presented no basis for challenging the validity of the creditors’ claims.61
However, the court also distinguished its case from one in which the trustee might object:
Like the court in In re Cluff, this Court agrees that it is important to distinguish a Chapter 13 debtor’s right to object to a proof of claim on the ground that no documents were attached supporting the claim from a Chapter 7 or 11 trustee’s rights. A Chapter 7 or 11 trustee has neither the personal history nor firsthand knowledge of the debtor’s debts. As a result, a Chapter 7 or 11 trustee’s objection to a proof of claim on the ground that no documents were attached supporting the claim likely mandates a different analysis and conclusion.62
As in Cluff, the holding in Mazzoni does not support the majority, and the court’s comments favor affirmance of the bankruptcy court’s decision in the present case.
5. In re Relford63
Relford involved an objection to claim filed by a Chapter 18 debtor. The debtor scheduled the claim as undisputed in the amount of $800. The claim, which was for unpaid credit card charges in the amount of $771.14, had an account summary attached to it. In addition, the claim contained a statement advising that detailed monthly statements for the credit card were available and providing the name of a contact person should anyone desire to see those records. The debtor objected to the claim on the basis that the account summary did not provide sufficient documentation regarding the claim. The debtor also objected on the basis that the claimant had failed to provide sufficient proof that it was the holder of the claim, i.e., there was no proof that the claim had been properly assigned to the claimant.
The bankruptcy court overruled the debtor’s objection to claim. The court noted that, although the deficiencies in the claim precluded it from being afforded pri-ma facie validity under Bankruptcy Rule 3001(c), the admission in the debtor’s schedules regarding the claim amount, together with the admission that the claim was not disputed, were sufficient to justify allowance of the claim. The court required the claimant to file an amended claim within thirty days that included the appropriate proof of assignment.
In overruling the debtor’s objection, the Relford court made the following statement:
The Court agrees with Cluff, Kemmer and Shank to the extent they hold that noncompliance with Rule 3001 does not *365necessarily mean that the claim must be amended to include the missing documentation in order to be allowed. The Court disagrees, however, that amendment of the claim is required only when the debtor has posed a substantive objection to the claim. In this Court’s opinion, the determinative question is whether the preponderance of the evidence supports allowance of the claim as filed. For instance, if a debtor’s schedules are consistent with the amount set forth in the deficient claim and do not indicate that the debt is “disputed,” “un-liquidated” or “contingent,” the creditor may ask the Court to take judicial notice of the schedules as additional evidence for its claim. Based on that evidence, and in the absence of contrary evidence or objection presented by the debtor, the Court would likely allow the claim as filed, i.e., without requiring that it be amended to provide additional documentation.64
Additionally, the court warned that claimants are expected to comply with Rule 3001 and should not rely solely on the debtor’s schedules because they do not carry the same evidentiary weight with regard to objections made by parties other than the debtor.65
As in the case on appeal, the question considered by the Relford court was “whether the preponderance of the evidence supports allowance of the claim as filed.”66 Based upon admissions made by the debtor, the Relford court found that the preponderance of the evidence supported allowance of the claim. In the case under review, based upon the absolute lack of evidence presented by B-Line, the bankruptcy court found that allowance of the Claim was not appropriate. The logic behind both decisions is strikingly consistent.
6. In re Kemmer67
In this Chapter 13 case, the debtors objected to nine unsecured claims for credit card debt and other credit accounts.
The Debtors ground[ed] their Objections to Claims solely upon the argument that each creditor failed to meet the requirements set forth in Rule 3001(c) of the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure, averring that “the claim was based on [a] writing and the original and/or duplicate was not contained with the claim. The claim has no paper writing.”68
The court found that the debtors did not truly dispute the existence or the amount of the claims.69 In addition, the Chapter 13 trustee supported claim allowance, arguing that “the Debtors’ Objections to Claims were not initiated at the Debtors’ request, were not grounded in fact, and were contrary to the spirit and intent of the Bankruptcy Code.”70 Once again, the Kemmer facts could not be more different from the facts at bar.
7. In re Moreno 71
The Moreno decision involved objections to claims by Chapter 13 debtors in two separate cases. In each ease, the sole basis for objection was “the claimant’s alleged failure to attach to the claim documentation sufficient to comply with Rule *3663001(c), Fed. R. Bankr.P.”72 With respect to one of the claims, the debtors scheduled the claim as undisputed in an amount in excess of the amount set forth on the proof of claim. All but one of the claims were scheduled as undisputed; the final claim at issue was not scheduled. The court overruled the debtors’ objections and allowed each claim in the claim amount. Further, the Moreno court allowed the debtors (should they so desire) to renew their claim objection to the extent that the claim amount exceeded the scheduled amount, but only to such an extent. In other words, the debtors were bound by the admissions in their schedules.
There can be little doubt as to the ill the court was trying to cure in Moreno: “The gig is up, however, on debtors taking advantage of the cost of responding to claims objections and obtaining orders striking claims which the debtor has acknowledged owing in whole or substantial part.”73 No such malaise exists in the present case.
8. In re Guidry74
In this Chapter 13 case, the debtors objected to two credit card claims acquired by eCAST. Both claims were scheduled as undisputed. One claim was for $100 more than the debtors scheduled; the other claim was for 16 cents more than the scheduled amount. The sole basis for objection was that the claims did not comply with Rule 3001(c). In overruling the objections, the court restricted its decision to the particular facts presented, and cited Cluff for the proposition that a Chapter 7 or 11 trustee, “lacking any indication that an undocumented claim is valid, might well object that the claim is not owing.”75 Given this limiting statement, Guidry offers no support for the result reached by the majority today.
9. In re Shank76
In this case, the party objecting to claims was a Chapter 13 debtor. The issue before the court was whether claims should be disallowed solely because they did not comply with Rule 3001. The Shank court overruled the objections, finding that “[t]he debtor has neither denied liability on the claims nor asserted that they overstate the amount she owes.”77
Notwithstanding that the court overruled debtor’s objections, it further stated
A debtor or other objecting party (such as a trustee) is clearly entitled to receive documentation and other information about a creditor’s claim if there is a question about it. The Court expects creditors who file proofs of claim like the ones in this case to respond promptly and fully to an appropriate request for information; if their failure to do so precludes an objecting party from determining the debtor’s liability or amount thereof, then an objection asserting same will be appropriate. In the context of a legitimate basis for questioning a claim and an appropriate request, formal or informal, for supporting documentation, a creditor who stands on an unadorned proof of claim such as the *367ones in this case may well find itself with a disallowed claim.78
This portion of the Shank decision supports the decision of the bankruptcy court in the case at bar. Here, the Trustee requested documentation from B-Line to establish the validity of the Claim. B-Line freely admitted it has no such documentation and cannot establish the Claim, and thus “stands on an unadorned proof of claim.”
Additionally, the Shank court noted:
One consequence of a proof of claim executed and filed in accordance with the bankruptcy rules is that the claim is entitled to a presumption of validity. In view of this evidentiary effect, the requirements of Rule 3001(c) and Official Form 10 are meaningless unless they require sufficient documentation that has some evidentiary import and establish something other than the same con-clusory allegations set forth in the proof of claim form itself.
If this requirement imposes a burden on eCast and other holders of consumer debt, it is unavoidable. The fact that a party’s business practices make it difficult to produce evidence to prove its case does not permit courts to ignore evidentiary rules in deciding a disputed matter.... [A] burden should not be placed on a party gratuitously; a purpose should be served thereby. The requirement here is not gratuitous and does serve a valid purpose. Creditors who want their claims to have the evi-dentiary presumption that a claim is pri-ma facie allowable must meet the requirements of Rule 3001.79
The above language supports disallowance of the Claim. This judge is at a loss to understand how the Trustee can be expected to state a detailed reason why the Claim is defective without any information regarding the Claim.
D. Summary
There simply is no majority of cases which supports the result reached by my colleagues today. Only the facts and reasoning of Burkett mesh squarely with the majority’s holding, and Burkett fails to answer the question of what a trustee is to do when faced with an undocumented claim. The ten other cases cited by the majority were decided on substantially different facts. In nine of the cases, the debtor was the objecting party. In all nine of those cases, the debtors scheduled the debts as undisputed and/or admitted they held no substantive grudge against the claim. I take no issue with decisions which stand for the principle that debtors are not allowed to game the system. I take great issue with holding that a Chapter 7 trustee should not be allowed to object to a claim which is filed without any supporting documentation.
In the tenth case, Shajfner, the claims objection was filed by the Chapter 13 trustee. That same trustee admitted the validity of the claim for services at issue and that the claim was unlikely to have generated any documentation. The same is not true of the case before us today.
IV. Affirming the Decision of the Bankruptcy Court Would Not Wreak Havoc on Claims Litigation in the Bankruptcy System
The majority uses hypotheticals and assumptions not in the record before us to suggest that affirming the bankruptcy court’s decision would open a “Pandora’s box” in the world of claims litigation.80
*368If this Court were to adopt the Nonexclusive View, it would be imposing a duty on trustees to file an objection to every proof of claim that fails to attach supporting documents, or is otherwise deficient, even in cases where trustees anticipate making distributions to creditors. It would greatly increase the number of claims objections, and hearings, and judicial determinations of claims.81
The majority’s assertion that affirming the decision of the bankruptcy court would encourage claims litigation lacks merit. The majority correctly points out that trustees have discretion in deciding when to object to claims, and should only object to claims “if a purpose would be served.”82 The Pandora’s box argument assumes that trustees will abuse their discretion and run amok, objecting to every claim that is filed without documentation. Nothing in the record supports such an assumption.
The majority also mischaracterizes my position when it states that “[t]he dissent appears to believe that this duty [of a trustee under § 704(5)] requires a trustee to substantiate each claim.”83 That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that a trustee has the right to satisfy herself or himself that a claim is proper, or that an objection is or is not warranted under the circumstances. In order to do that, a trustee must have access to the documentation which supports the claim. A creditor’s admission that it cannot prove the validity of its claim is a sufficient basis upon which a trustee can stand before the court and say, “this claim should not be paid.” Once again, I fail to see either the controversy in or the earth-shattering nature of such a conclusion.
As further support for its position, the majority posits the following hypothetical:
Consider as well a case in which a former spouse files a claim for past due child support, but does not attach the court order establishing the amount of the support. If the trustee objects due only to the lack of documentation, and the former spouse fails to take any action to request a hearing, must the court deny the claim? Even if the debtor scheduled the same debt? 84
The majority has certainly chosen a most sympathetic claimant, as no one with a heart can help but be touched by the prospect of a child being deprived of basic necessities at the hands of a deadbeat parent. However, in this hypothetical a claim for unpaid child support would be granted priority status, and would be paid prior to all other unsecured creditors.85 If a creditor files a claim without any supporting documentation, saying, in effect, “pay me first,” should the trustee be barred from objecting to the claim on the basis that, before conceding the priority, the trustee wants some proof of its validity? Is the creditor entitled to say to the trustee, “I don’t have the documentation and you can’t object on that basis”? The majority seems to think so, and I respectfully disagree.86
*369The majority also cites a learned treatise for the proposition that the trustee should rely upon the debtor to review claims and advise as to when an objection is appropriate.87 The citation is certainly accurate. This judge has great respect for the Collier treatise. In this instance, the treatise contains no authority for its proposition — not one case is cited to support the proposition that debtors are a viable resource for trustees in determining the validity of claims. There is nothing in the record before us to indicate that the Debt- or took on the duties of the Trustee in reviewing claims in this case. Finally, nothing in this judge’s experience leads me to believe that a debtor is a viable resource for the trustee in determining the validity of claims.
Y. The Majority’s Analogy to Rule 3001(d) is Misplaced
The majority’s reliance on Rule 3001(d), to the effect that “a long line of cases, from the Supreme Court on down, have held that creditors do not have to file any proof of claim, let alone one which attaches evidence of perfection, in order to maintain their lien right,”88 has no bearing on the result they reach today. The issues of claim allowance and validity of liens are horses of entirely different colors.
While a secured creditor need not file a claim to have its lien survive, it must file a claim in a Chapter 7 case in order to participate in any estate distribution. The invalidation of lien rights does not equate with participation in distributions from a bankruptcy estate. Eventually, in order to enforce that lien, the creditor is going to have to prove up. If that creditor wants relief from the automatic stay and/or an order of abandonment of its collateral in order to enforce that lien, it will be required to come before the bankruptcy court and establish the amount of its debt and the validity of its lien, unless both the debtor and the trustee concede their validity. This is hardly a coincidence.
VI. Criminal Penalties Are Not Part of the Claims Allowance Process
The majority’s argument that criminal penalties are the proper method of ensuring the validity of claims is not persuasive.89 The claims allowance process is not analogous to a criminal prosecution based upon the filing of a false claim. Claims are subject to disallowance for a variety of reasons. Criminal penalties apply only to persons “knowingly and fraudulently” presenting false claims. There is a vast difference between an invalid claim and a claim submitted so “knowingly and fraudulently” as to subject the person filing the claim to criminal liability. Surely the majority is not suggesting that for a claim to be disallowed, it must have been filed with fraudulent intent. The issue here is not one of criminal liability, but rather, whether a claim should be paid when that claim cannot be proven.
VII. Scope of Remand
The majority has chosen to “reverse the bankruptcy court, and remand for the entry of an order consistent with this decision.” 90 With all due respect, such a mandate strikes me as vague. The majority does not advise the bankruptcy court whether the Claim is to be allowed or disallowed. Moreover, the Trustee raised an issue regarding the validity of the as*370signment of the Claim which was not reached by the bankruptcy court. Given the majority’s broad statement that Chapter 7 trustees are not to object to claims on the basis of lack of documentation, is the Trustee free to renew his argument? Is the bankruptcy court free to consider such an argument? I respectfully submit that the parties and the bankruptcy court are entitled to answers to these questions.
The majority suggests that providing the bankruptcy court with such guidance would be improper, as
[t]he Trustee’s ability to amend, or for that matter, B-Line’s ability to amend its Claim to state that the supporting documents have been lost, are issues not properly before this Court. Our ruling is expressly limited to overruling the bankruptcy court’s disallowance of the Claim based solely on the lack of supporting documentation.91
The bankruptcy court disallowed the Claim. The majority has reversed that decision. Certainly B-Line will return to the bankruptcy court and state, “you must now allow the Claim. The Bankruptcy Appellate Panel has spoken. Anything short of claim allowance would run contrary to the majority opinion.” The Trustee will state, “all the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel did was invalidate your basis for claim disallowance. You can (and should) go forward on the other issues which I have raised, and should let me amend my objection to satisfy the concerns of the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel.” The bankruptcy judge will be left to face this dilemma with nothing more than the instruction to enter “an order consistent with this decision.” I, for one, do not envy his position.
VIII. Conclusion
This case does not involve a “technical deficiency,” as the majority suggests. It involves a trustee’s obligation to perform his or her statutorily prescribed duties. The fact that the Debtor does not contest the Claim is irrelevant.92 As a practical matter, it is paramount to the claims process that someone else — the trustee — be permitted to object to invalid claims.
Someone who seeks payment from a bankruptcy estate should be required, upon request, to prove their legal right to the funds. If a creditor attaches the documentation required by the Rules, the claim itself becomes the first, and perhaps final, step in the process — it stands as prima facie evidence of the claim. If a claimant does not comply with the Rules, and cannot supply other evidence to support its claim, upon objection by the trustee, the claimant loses — hardly a controversial result. The majority decision prevents a trustee from objecting to a claim where the creditor fails to establish its right to payment. Such a rule does not aid in the just and speedy determination of claims. I would affirm the decision of the bankruptcy court.
.See Majority Opinion at 348 ("[I]f a trustee intends to assert a legal argument that the claim is unenforceable under an agreement or applicable law, he must assert a good faith basis for these grounds in his objection.”).
. The defined terms used herein are those as defined in the Majority Opinion.
. Although the bankruptcy court took judicial notice of the schedules, it ruled that they were of no evidentiary value against the Trustee. See In re Kirkland, 361 B.R. 199, 201 (Bankr. D.N.M.2007). This ruling was not appealed, and I therefore conclude, as the bankruptcy court concluded, that B-Line offered (and possessed) no evidence to support its Claim. The majority seems to differ, suggesting that "[t]he Appellant’s evidence was meager, but it was nevertheless some evidence.” See Majority Opinion at 344. I believe that the bankruptcy court acted properly when it disregarded the Debtor's schedules, and therefore correctly concluded that B-Line presented no evidence in support of its Claim.
. Majority Opinion at 344 (emphasis added).
. According to B-Line, it informed the bankruptcy court that "NextBank” (the company from which B-Line acquired the claim) had ceased doing business and no longer exists. Appellant’s Brief at 3.
. Title 11 U.S.C. § 502(b)(1) provides that a claim shall be allowed, except to the extent that "such claim is unenforceable against the debtor and property of the debtor, under any agreement or applicable law for a reason other than because such claim is contingent or unmatured[.]” Unless otherwise indicated, all future statutory references are to the Bankruptcy Code, Title 11 of the United States Code prior to enactment of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.
. The Ninth Circuit BAP interprets § 502(b) to provide the only grounds for an objection to a proof of claim. In re Heath, 331 B.R. 424, 431 (9th Cir. BAP 2005). See also In re Dove-Nation, 318 B.R. 147, 150 (8th Cir. BAP 2004); In re Burkett, 329 B.R. 820, 826 (Bankr.S.D.Ohio 2005); In re Shank, 315 B.R. 799, 812 (Bankr.N.D.Ga.2004). The majority appears to agree, but somewhat conflates the issues of objections to claims and disallowance of claims. See Majority Opinion at 343-44.
.The legislative history to this provision states, “[i]f a purpose would be served (such as if there are assets that will be distributed), the trustee is required to examine proof of claims and object to the allowance of any claim that is improper.” S.Rep. No. 95-989 (1978), reprinted in 1978 U.S.C.C.A.N. 5787, 5879.
. In re Taylor, 363 B.R. 303, 308 (Bankr.M.D.Fla.2007) (quoting Gardner v. State of N.J., 329 U.S. 565, 573, 67 S.Ct. 467, 91 L.Ed. 504 (1947)).
. A Chapter 13 trustee is charged with performing the same duties pursuant to § 1302(b)(1).
. See Majority Opinion at 345; In re Dove-Nation, 318 B.R. 147, 150-151 (8th Cir. BAP 2004).
. 28 U.S.C. § 2075 provides in part as follows:
The Supreme Court shall have the power to prescribe by general rules, the forms of process, writs, pleadings, and motions, and the practice and procedure in cases under title 11.
Such rules shall not abridge, enlarge, or modify any substantive right.
. See In re Taylor, 363 B.R. at 308 ("The rules rightfully require creditors to attach minimal supporting documentation for their claims so that a debtor can evaluate their validity without discovery or extraordinary expense.”).
. Majority Opinion at 348.
. For example, what if, when a claim based upon a writing is filed without documentation, the trustee asks for this information formally or informally and the creditor refuses? Under the majority opinion, would such failure create a basis for a trustee to object to a claim? The trustee still could not raise what the majority would consider to be a "substantive” objection to the claim, because the trustee was not yet privy to the documents which created the claim. If the trustee may not advance an objection under these circumstances, isn’t the creditor with defective docu*357mentation encouraged to hide that information from the trustee?
. 5 F.3d 1022 (7th Cir.1993).
. Id. at 1028.
. In re Kirkland, 361 B.R. 199, 202 (Bankr.D.N.M.2007).
. Raleigh v. III. Dep't of Revenue, 530 U.S. 15, 21, 120 S.Ct. 1951, 147 L.Ed.2d 13 (2000).
. In re Kirkland, 361 B.R. at 204.
. See In re Cluff, 313 B.R. 323, 343 (Bankr. D.Utah 2004), aff'd, Cluff v. eCast Settlement, No. 2:04-CV-978, 2006 WL 2820005 (D.Utah Sept. 29, 2006) ("The Chapter 7 or 11 trustee is not privy to the personal history of the *358debtor and does not have first-hand knowledge of the debtor's debts.''); In re Mazzoni, 318 B.R. 576, 579 n. 14 (Bankr.D.Kan.2004) ("A Chapter 7 or 11 trustee has neither the personal history nor firsthand knowledge of the debtor’s debts.”).
. Fed. R. Bankr.P. 1001.
. In re Harrison, 987 F.2d 677, 680 (10th Cir.1993).
. Although the majority opinion neglects to address this topic head on, this is the pivotal factor in reaching the correct result in this case.
. Fed. R. Bankr.P. 3001(f). A proof of claim is "properly filed,” as proscribed by the Judicial Conference in Official Form 10, if it contains "(1) a creditor's name and address, (2) basis for claim, (3) date debt incurred, (4) amount of claim, (5) classification of claim, and (6) supporting documents." In re Armstrong, 320 B.R. 97, 104 (Bankr.N.D.Tex. 2005) (quoting In re Hughes, 313 B.R. 205, 209 (Bankr.E.D.Mich.2004) (emphasis added)). See also In re Taylor, 363 B.R. 303, 308 (Bankr.M.D.Fla.2007) ("Attaching supporting documentation is a mandatory prerequisite to establishing a claim's prima facie validity.”) (emphasis added).
. Prima facie evidence is "[ejvidence that will establish a fact or sustain a judgment unless contradictory evidence is produced.” Black’s Law Dictionary 8th ed.2004. Therefore, it is the appropriate standard of evidence to require before shifting the burden of proof.
. In re Taylor, 363 B.R. at 308 ("In view of this evidentiary effect, the requirements of Rule 3001(c) and Official Form 10 are meaningless unless they require sufficient documentation that has some evidentiary import and establish something other than the same conclusory allegations set forth in the proof of claim form itself.”) (quoting In re Shank, 315 B.R. 799, 810 (Bankr.N.D.Ga.2004)).
. In re Broadband Wireless Int'l Corp., 295 B.R. 140 (10th Cir. BAP 2003).
.Id. at 145 (footnote omitted).
. In re Tran, 351 B.R. 440, 447 (Bankr.S.D.Tex.2006), aff'd 369 B.R. 312 (S.D.Tex.2007) (“The issue is not whether the proofs of claim constitute ‘some’ evidence, but whether they constitute 'prima facie evidence’ which, if not rebutted, establishes debtor’s liability for the claim.”).
. In re Kirkland, 361 B.R. 199, 205 (Bankr.D.N.M.2007) (citations omitted).
. Pepper v. Litton, 308 U.S. 295, 304-05, 60 S.Ct. 238, 84 L.Ed. 281 (1939) (ruling that as a court with equitable powers, a bankruptcy court should not allow substance to give way *360to form or technical considerations to prevent substantial justice from being done).
.Even though it spends considerable time discussing the cases dealing with claims objections, the majority contends that its decision is made "only on the basis of the language of the statute and the purpose and intent of the Rules.” Majority Opinion at 347. Most of the majority’s statutory interpretation is made without the benefit of supporting authority. I beg to differ.
. 329 B.R. 820 (Bankr.S.D.Ohio 2005).
. Id. at 829 (citations and footnote omitted).
. Id. at 829-30 (citations and footnote omitted).
. Id. at 832.
. 320 B.R. 870 (Bankr.W.D.Mich.2005).
. Id. at 872.
. Id.
. Id. at 873.
.Id. at 880.
. 313 B.R. 323 (Bankr.D.Utah 2004), aff'd, Cluff v. eCast Settlement, No. 2:04-CV-978, 2006 WL 2820005 (D.Utah Sept. 29, 2006).
. Id. at 327-29.
. Id. at 326.
. Id. at 337 (emphasis added) (footnote omitted).
. Id. at 343.
. See Majority Opinion at 346. The majority also applies the dicta label to the restrictions placed by the court in In re Mazzoni, 318 B.R. 576 (Bankr.D.Kan.2004). See discussion infra at 364.
. 318 B.R. 147 (8th Cir. BAP 2004).
. Id. at 149.
. Id. at 149-150.
. Id. at 151.
. Id. at 152.
. 331 B.R. 424 (9th Cir. BAP 2005).
. Id. at 428.
. Majority Opinion at 346.
. In re Heath, 331 B.R. at 437 (citations omitted).
. 318 B.R. 576 (Bankr.D.Kan.2004).
. Id. at 577.
. Id. at 579 (footnote omitted).
. Id.
. Id. at 579 n. 14 (citations omitted).
. 323 B.R. 669 (Bankr.S.D.Ind.2004), reh’g granted, as amended.
. Id. at 676 (citations omitted).
. Id.
. Id.
. 315 B.R. 706 (Bankr.E.D.Tenn.2004).
. Id. at 710.
. Id. at 717.
. Id. at 711.
. 341 B.R. 813 (Bankr.S.D.Fla.2006).
. Id. at 814.
. Id. at 819-20.
. 321 B.R. 712 (Bankr.N.D.Ill.2005).
. Id. at 715 n. 2 (citing In re Cluff, 313 B.R. 323, 343 (Bankr.D.Utah 2004), aff'd, Cluff v. eCast Settlement, No. 2:04-CV-978, 2006 WL 2820005 (D.Utah Sept. 29, 2006)).
. 315 B.R. 799 (Bankr.N.D.Ga.2004).
. Id. at 801.
. Id. at 816.
. Id. at 810 (citation omitted).
. Majority Opinion at 352.
. Id. at 348.
. Id. at 350.
. Id. at 351.
. Id. at 352.
. See 11 U.S.C. § 507(a)(1)(A).
.This judge has been unable to uncover a single decision with facts that even remotely resemble the facts of this hypothetical. It appears that the majority had the same problem, as they cite no cases which are factually similar to their dire proposal. Creditors owed unpaid child support in bankruptcy cases are rarely, if ever, passive. Moreover, the proof required under the hypothetical (a copy of the divorce court order awarding *369child support) is readily accessible as a matter of public record.
.Majority Opinion at 351, citing 6-704 Collier on Bankruptcy ¶ 704.09[1] (15th ed.1999).
. Id. at 352.
. Id. at 349.
. Id. at 354.
. Id. at 354 n. 53.
. Indeed, if the Chapter 7 estate is insolvent, a debtor lacks the necessary standing to object to claims, thereby rendering its silence on the issue mandatory. See In re Creditors Serv. Corp., 206 B.R. 174, 176 (Bankr.S.D.Ohio 1997) ("It is a long-standing principle of bankruptcy administration that where all claims of creditors will not be paid and there will be no surplus to the debtor, there is no standing to object to the administration for lack of any pecuniary interest in the liquidation of assets and distributions to creditors.”); Caserta v. Tobin, 175 B.R. 773, 774-75 (S.D.Fla.1994) ("[Cjourts have consistently held that a chapter 7 debtor is not a party in interest for the purpose of objecting to creditors claims.”) (citations omitted).