This case arose when defendant’s van-collided with the rear of another car, driving that car into the car in which plaintiff Ruth Gray was a passenger. Suit was-filed in the United States District Court, seeking damages of $50,000 for Mrs. Gray and $20,000 for her husband. The case was certified to the Municipal Court1 under Code 1961, § ll-756(a), and tried there, solely on the issue of damages, the defendant admitting liability. Verdicts were re*379■turned in the amount of $8,000 for the wife and $3,000 for the husband. Defendant appeals from the trial court’s denial of its motion for remittitur or, in the alternative, for a new trial. It assigns as error that the trial court in its instructions mentioned the ad damnum and told the jury that this was a certified case as to which the $3,000 jurisdictional limit on the Municipal Court did not apply; that the court permitted counsel for plaintiffs to argue damages for pain and suffering on a per diem basis; that the court failed to grant a mistrial when plaintiff’s counsel mentioned the ad damnum on voir dire; and, lastly, that the amounts of the verdicts were excessive.
The court instructed the jury that the case had been certified from the District Court and that the $3,000 limit normally applicable to Municipal Court verdicts was therefore not applicable. On the other hand, the court refused to allow counsel for defendants to explain why the case was certified, or to include such an explanation in its instructions to the jury. The court acted correctly in all these instances. See Melton v. Capital Transit Co., 102 U.S.App. D.C. 306, 2S3 F.2d 42. The Code itself provides that, when a case is certified from the United States District Court, the jurisdiction of the Municipal Court “shall extend to the amount claimed in such action, even though it exceed the sum of $3,000.” Code 1961, § 11-756(a). It would have been highly improper for the jury to have been told that the case had been certified because a District Court Judge thought the case would not justify a judgment in excess of $3,000. The District Court Judge had not heard the evidence and was in no position to make a comparative evaluation of conflicting evidence. His appraisal of the case, sometimes made even before pretrial, is entitled to no weight by the jury which hears the evidence. Experience has proved that the District Court Judge’s appraisal is often erroneous; and informing the jury of the reason for certification would serve no proper purpose.
With reference to the ad damnum, the court instructed the jury that
“ * * * your verdict may be in such amount as you may determine to be fair, reasonable, and adequate, under the instructions on damages to be given to you by the Court.
“The plaintiff in a suit can never recover any more than is claimed. In the present case the plaintiff, Mr. Gray, is claiming $20,000 and the plaintiff, Mrs. Gray, is claiming $50,000. In this case as in any other case neither can recover any more than the amount claimed. The fact that in a certain case the plaintiff claims a certain amount does not mean they are entitled to recover that amount. This is a matter to be determined by you from the evidence and in the light of the law as I state it to you. The recovery can be for the amount claimed or for any sum less than the amount claimed which you might find from the evidence has been established. Recovery can never be in excess of the amount claimed.”
On the question of the propriety of reference in the court’s instructions to the amount sued for, the authorities are in hopeless conflict. See 15 Am.Jur., 1961 Cum.Supp., Damages, § 371.5, p. 114. Practice varies even among the trial courts of the same jurisdiction.2
Well-considered decisions in several jurisdictions have held it to be reversible error to mention the ad damnum in the charge. See Botta v. Brunner, 26 N.J. 82, 138 A.2d 713, 60 A.L.R.2d 1331. and cases there cited; Annotation, 2 A.L.R.2d 454. The argument against mention of the ad damnum was well stated by District *380Judge Paul, concurring in Williams v. Nichols, 4 Cir., 266 F.2d 389, 394:
“There is no sound reason why the jury should be informed, either by counsel or the Court, of the damages named in the complaint. It is a matter of common knowledge that ordinarily in a tort case, the damages laid in the complaint are in an amount arbitrarily chosen, greatly exaggerated, and having little, if any, value as a measurement of the damage actually suffered. It is being charitable to say that at best they represent the plaintiff’s own opinion of what damage he has suffered. But neither the plaintiff nor anyone else would be allowed to go on the witness stand and testify as to his monetary estimate of the plaintiff’s damages. This being so it is certainly objectionable to get the same estimate before the jury by the unsworn statements of counsel in the course of argument. It is even more harmful, because of the greater weight given it by the jury, when it comes from the bench in the Court’s instructions. The basic evil is that it gives the jury the impression that the amount sued for (the plaintiff’s own estimate) is significant and to be considered as a factor in arriving at such award as the jury may make.”
We think that such statements as these, and decisions such as Botta v. Brunner and Simmons v. Adams, supra, are grounded upon an appraisal of the jury process to which we cannot subscribe. We agree with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that there is no reason why the jury should be influenced by the amount claimed by the plaintiff, any more than by any other claims advanced by the parties. “Such claims are not evidence, and it is an insult to human intelligence to say that they are likely to mislead or otherwise influence the jury.” Hoffschlaeger Co., Ltd. v. Fraga, 290 F. 146, 149.
Decisions of the Supreme Court and the highest court of this jurisdiction have taken the same view. In McDermott v. Severe, 25 App.D.C. 276, 288, affirmed 202 U.S. 600, 26. S.Ct. 709, 50 L.Ed. 1162, the court, after instructing on the measure of damages, told the jury:
“You must exercise your own best judgment in regard to that. Of course you are limited by the declaration, and cannot exceed the amount claimed, $25,000. Of course that is not a suggestion to you that you should take that as a criterion to go by. That is only a limit, above which you cannot go. It is not a suggestion that you should go to that amount. The question is simply : What is the proper compensation to this boy for this injury, in case you find a verdict in his favor? * * *”
It does not appear that this instruction was specifically objected to on appeal, but in affirming the Court of Appeals decision the Supreme Court held that the language of the charge was properly cautionary, and added: “We cannot see how the plaintiff in error was prejudiced by this instruction.”
In Chesapeake & Ohio R. Co. v. Carnahan, 241 U.S. 241, 36 S.Ct. 594, 60 L.Ed. 979, the defendant objected to mention of the ad damnum in the instruction. The Court, calling the objection “untenable,” said at page 244, 36 S.Ct. at page 595:
“As we have seen, the court explicitly enjoined upon the jury that there must be a proximate and causal relation between the damages and the negligence of the company, and the reference to the sum of $35,000 was a limitation of the amount stated in the declaration. There could have been no misunderstanding of the purpose of the instruction.”
See also Norfolk & W. Ry. Co. v. Earnest, 229 U.S. 114, 120, 33 S.Ct. 654, 656, 57 L.Ed. 1096, in which the Court said of the mention of the ad damnum in a similar instruction that it “could only have been understood as marking a limit beyond which the jury could not go.”
*381Washington & Georgetown R. Co. v. Hickey, 5 App.D.C. 436, affirmed 166 U.S. 521, 17 S.Ct. 661, 41 L.Ed. 1101, and District of Columbia v. Duryee, 29 App.D.C. 327, lend further support to the proposition that if the jury is correctly instructed as to the measure of damages, mention of the ad damnum as a limitation on recovery is not improper.
It is true that, at the time these cases were decided, it was the practice in District of Columbia courts to have the jury take the pleadings into the jury room with it. Under those circumstances, it might he argued, no harm was done in mentioning the ad damnum to the jury. But language in Melton v. Capital Transit Co., 102 U.S. App.D.C. 306, 253 F.2d 42, indicates that, while the earlier practice is no longer customary, the McDermott, Hickey and Dur-yee decisions are still good authority. The court in the Melton case implied that the jury could be told of the ad damnum, for it said: “We would suppose that upon request, the plaintiff should be entitled to receive an instruction that the jury * * * may award damages in such amount as it shall find the plaintiff is entitled to receive up to the amount claimed in the action [Emphasis supplied.]
The charge of the trial court in the present case emphasized that the ad dam-num was a ceiling only, and that the jury was to fix damages with reference not to the sum claimed but to that amount justified by the evidence. Taken as a whole, the instruction is similar to those approved by the Supreme Court in McDermott v. Severe, Chesapeake & Ohio R. Co. v. Carnahan, and Norfolk & W. Ry. Co. v. Earnest, supra. It correctly stated the law and did not mislead the jury.
On the same grounds, we must reject defendant’s contention that it was improper to refer to the ad damnum in argument. See Graham v. Mattoon City Ry. Co., 234 Ill. 483, 84 N.E. 1070; Williams v. Williams, 87 N.H. 430, 182 A. 172; Eich-stadt v. Underwood, Ky.App., 337 S.W.2d 684.
Nor did the trial judge err in refusing to declare a mistrial when counsel for plaintiffs mentioned the ad damnum on voir dire. This occurred in the course of his examination of one member of the jury panel whose wife was employed by the defendant Evening Star. The venireman denied that his wife’s affiliation would prevent him from finding for plaintiff in an amount up to $50,000. Since this panel member was-subsequently challenged for cause by plaintiffs’ counsel, despite his answer, the question might better have been asked in a form which would not call the attention of the jury panel to the ad damnum in this early stage of the trial. But this was an isolated' reference, never repeated, and for the reasons given above, it should not be considered grounds for a mistrial.
Appellant also contends that the court erred in permitting counsel for plaintiffs-to argue the damages for pain and suffering on a per diem basis. Counsel in his closing argument told the jury that
“ * * * if you award to her during the balance of her life expectancy seven dollars a day you would reach a verdict of $50,000. If you give her $3.50 a day your verdict would be $25,-000. I submit to you that $3.50 or $7 for what she has been through and what she has yet to face would be fair and' reasonable compensation which you in your own judgment would have to determine.”
And in his rebuttal he repeated:
“I say three, four, five, six, or seven dollars per day for this kind of an injury is not any more than is fair and reasonable compensation.”
How far counsel for plaintiffs may go-in arguing to the jury a per diem formula or some other measure for computing future pain and suffering is a question which is currently the subject of much dispute among *382courts and commentators. Both appellants and appellees in the case before us have adverted to the recent decisions in many jurisdictions, which have arrived at opposite conclusions on this issue.3 It is fruitless to say of either position that it represents the weight of authority, or a discernible trend.
For the same reasons that we would permit mention of the ad damnum, we would permit counsel considerable latitude in arguing damages. The Supreme Court of Washington, in refusing to disapprove use of the per diem argument, has stated that “Argument is not evidence, and we cannot attribute to any jury in this state a lack of sufficient mentality to distinguish between the two.” Jones v. Hogan, 56 Wash.2d 23, 351 P.2d 153, 159. With this view, which echoes that of the Ninth Circuit in the Hoffschlaeger case, supra, we find ourselves in accord. As the Michigan Supreme Court pointed out in Yates v. Wenk, 363 Mich. 311, 109 N.W.2d 828, at page 831:
“ * * * like every other State, we require juries to determine the value of pain and suffering. We see little merit in forbidding lawyers to try to help in that difficult task.
“Nor are we impressed that plaintiff’s lawyer’s use of the mathematical formula will lead toward horrendous verdicts. Such an argument is not, like the judge’s instruction, binding on the jury. It will undoubtedly be effectively balanced by defendant’s lawyer’s counter argument. Further, juries automatically discount ‘lawyer talk’ to some degree. And trial judges automatically instruct that such arguments are not evidence.”
This court has a similar confidence in our juries’ ability to distinguish between argument and evidence. And it should always be remembered that if a jury does return an obviously excessive verdict, the trial judge has the power and duty to set aside such verdict and order a new trial.
It should be noted that plaintiffs’ attorney in this case used no charts or blackboard in his argument to the jury. Cf. Haycock v. Christie, 101 U.S.App.D.C. 409, 249 F.2d 501. There was no elaborate itemization of damages, such as was upheld in Ratner v. Arrington, Fla.App., 111 So.2d 82, 86, or disapproved in Affett v. Milwaukee & Suburban Transport Corp., 11 Wis.2d 604, 106 N.W.2d 274, 276. The suggested per diem amounts were only mentioned orally, and then only twice, and in each case they were coupled with the phrase “fair and reasonable compensation.” The argument taken as a whole made it clear that the per diem sums were offered for illustrative purposes only,4 and was so worded as to emphasize to the jury that theirs was the final responsibility of assessing the damages for pain and suffering. Thereafter the trial court in instructing the jury reiterated that it should decide the case solely upon the evidence admitted by the *383court and should not consider as evidence any statement of counsel made during the trial unless made as an admission or stipulation.
Under these circumstances, we find it unnecessary to decide how far counsel may properly go in arguing damages. Our decision is not to be taken as a blanket approval of the arguments employed by counsel in the cited cases.5 We hold that the argument of plaintiffs’ counsel, taken in its context, was not improper; it should not have misled the jury, and apparently did not.6
The appellant contends, finally, that the verdicts returned were excessive. The granting of a new trial on the ground that the verdict is excessive is ordinarily within the discretion of the trial court, and its action is reviewable only for abuse of that discretion. All Weather Storm Windows, Inc. v. Zahn, D.C.Mun.App., 112 A.2d 496. On the record presented we cannot say that the verdict was so grossly excessive that the trial court erred in permitting it to stand.
Affirmed.
. Gray v. Evening Star Newspaper Co., 107 U.S.App.D.C. 292, 277 F.2d 91.
. See Simmons v. Adams, 202 Va. 926, 121 S.E.2d 379. It appears that the practice varies among the judges of our United States District Court as well.
. See, e. g., Botta v. Brunner, 26 N.J. 82, 138 A.2d 713, 60 A.L.R.2d 1331, and cases there cited; Affett v. Milwaukee & Suburban Transport Corp., 11 Wis.2d 604, 106 N.W.2d 274; Certified T.V. and Appliance Co. v. Harrington, 201 Va. 169, 109 S.E.2d 120; Faught v. Washam, Mo., 329 S.W.2d 588; and Henne v. Balick, 1 Storey 369, 51 Del. 369, 146 A.2d 394. Decisions affirming use of per diem formula : Ratner v. Arrington, Fla.App., 111 So.2d 82, and cases there cited; Yates v. Wenk, 363 Mich. 311, 109 N.W.2d 828; Louisville & Nashville R. Co. v. Mattingly, Ky., 339 S.W.2d 155; Hernandez v. Baucum, Tex.Civ.App., 344 S.W.2d 498; Caley v. Manicke, 29 Ill.App.2d 323, 173 N.E.2d 209; Annotation, 60 A.L.R.2d 1347; 12 Rutgers L.Rev. 522; 19 Ohio St.L.J. 780; 43 Minn.L.Rev. 832; 28 Univ. of Cincinnati L.Rev. 138; 61 W.Va. L.Rev. 302; 36 Dicta 373; 23 NACCA L.J. 255; 24 NACCA L.J. 252.
. Cf. Boutang v. Twin City Motor Bus Co., 248 Minn. 240, 80 N.W.2d 30, citing Hallada v. Great Northern Ry. Co., 244 Minn. 81, 69 N.W.2d 673, 245 Minn. 581, 72 N.W.2d 74, certiorari denied 350 U.S. 874, 76 S.Ct. 119, 100 L.Ed. 773.
. Note 3, supra.
. We note in passing that plaintiff Mrs. Gray was awarded $S,000, or less than one-third of the lowest per diem osti-mate of her attorney, while Mr. Gray was awarded $3,000, or $300 more than the out-of-pocket medical expenses claimed.