OPINION OF THE COURT
R.S. Smith, J.Several franchisees of Carvel Corporation sued it in federal court, complaining of the distribution of Carvel’s products through supermarkets that competed with the franchisees. Juries awarded damages to three of the franchisees on tort and contract claims, and Carvel appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. That court has certified to us the question of whether the franchisees have a valid tort claim for “interference with prospective economic relations.” We hold that they do not.
The Facts
Until the early 1990’s, Carvel ice cream was distributed only through franchised stores, and Carvel had repeatedly told its franchisees it had no plans to sell through supermarkets. A decline in Carvel’s fortunes caused it to change its mind, however, and Carvel adopted a “supermarket program.” The program called for sales to supermarkets by Carvel itself and by those franchisees that chose to participate in the program— which required franchisees to pay substantial license fees and to upgrade their stores. Most franchisees chose not to participate. From 1993 to 2000, the supermarket program grew rapidly, while many franchised stores went out of business.
The franchisees assert that Carvel’s supermarket program was harmful to them in itself, and that the details of the program’s implementation made things worse. Among their grievances are that Carvel sold to supermarkets at bargain prices; that it issued coupons to customers that Carvel would redeem from supermarkets but not from franchisees; and that those coupons were printed on bags that Carvel required franchisees to use in their stores. They contend that, as their expert witness testified, Carvel’s supermarket program was not “consistent with the customary practices and standards in the franchise industry.”
*188The franchisees’ claims, both in contract and. tort, are illuminated by their written agreements with Carvel. Those agreements were of two types. The earlier agreements, known as “Type A,” included a specific restriction on Carvel’s rights to compete with its franchisees, providing that Carvel “will not establish or license another person to establish a Carvel Store” within a quarter mile of the franchisee’s store on the same street. The Type A agreements contained other language, including a reference to “a unique system for the production, distribution and merchandising of Carvel products,” that the franchisees interpret as prohibiting Carvel from implementing its supermarket program.
The later, “Type B,” agreements also contained the “unique system” language, but not the quarter-mile restriction. They provided that the license granted to the franchisee was “nonexclusive,” and that Carvel “in its sole and absolute discretion” could license other Carvel stores and could sell its products “through the same or different delivery systems or other distribution channels.” The franchisees who signed Type B agreements had all received, before they signed the agreements, an offering circular saying that Carvel was free to sell through ‘ ‘supermarkets. ’ ’
Of the three franchisees whose cases are now before us, two, Marsella and the Noonans, signed Type A agreements; the third, Giampapa, signed Type B. Each agreement contains a New York choice of law clause, and it is not disputed that New York law governs both the contract and tort claims.
The two franchisees who signed Type A agreements were allowed to go to juries on claims that Carvel “breached its franchise agreement” with them. One of them, the Noonans, got a favorable verdict on that claim. All three of the franchisees went to juries on claims that Carvel “breached the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing” and “tortiously interfered with the [franchisee’s] existing or prospective business relations,” and all three got favorable verdicts on those two claims. Only the verdicts for tortious interference with business relations are now our concern.
The Certified Questions
The Second Circuit Court of Appeals certified the following two questions to us:
1. “Under applicable standards for a claim of tor*189tious interference with prospective economic relations, did the evidence of the franchisor’s conduct in each of the three trials on review in these consolidated appeals permit a jury finding in favor of the franchisee?” (350 F3d 6, 23 [2003].)
2. “Is public harm required for a punitive damages claim by a franchisee against its franchisor for tortious interference with the franchisee’s prospective economic relations with its customers?” (Id. at 26.)
We answer the first question “no.” This answer renders the second question academic.
Discussion
The franchisees’ tort claim is that Carvel unlawfully interfered with the relationships between the franchisees and their customers. The franchisees do not claim that the customers had binding contracts that Carvel induced them to breach; they allege only that, by implementing its supermarket program, Carvel induced the customers not to buy Carvel products from the franchisees. The juries have found that Carvel did so induce customers, and the question for us is whether that inducement was tortious interference under New York law. We conclude that it was not because Carvel’s conduct, which did not constitute a crime or an independent tort and was not aimed solely at harming franchisees, was also not the sort of egregious wrongdoing that might support a tortious interference claim in the absence of such an independently unlawful act or evil motive.
We have recognized that inducing breach of a binding agreement and interfering with a nonbinding “economic relation” can both be torts, but that the elements of the two torts are not the same. Our leading cases, as the Second Circuit Court of Appeals noted, are Guard-Life Corp. v S. Parker Hardware Mfg. Corp. (50 NY2d 183 [1980]) and NET Bancorp Inc. v Fleet/Norstar Fin. Group, Inc. (87 NY2d 614 [1996]). We said in NET, summarizing what we had held in Guard-Life.
“[T]he degree of protection available to a plaintiff for a competitor’s tortious interference with contract is defined by the nature of the plaintiffs enforceable legal rights. Thus, where there is an existing, enforceable contract and a defendant’s deliberate interference results in a breach of that contract, a plaintiff may recover damages for tortious interfer*190ence with contractual relations even if the defendant was engaged in lawful behavior. Where there has been no breach of an existing contract, but only interference with prospective contract rights, however, plaintiff must show more culpable conduct on the part of the defendant.” (87 NY2d at 621 [citations omitted].)
By saying in NBT that a defendant who induced the breach of a binding contract could be liable “even if the defendant was engaged in lawful behavior,” we implied that the same was not ordinarily true where the plaintiff complained only of “interference with prospective contract rights.” This applies equally if not a fortiori, here, where the franchisees complain of interference not with “contract rights” but only with existing or prospective economic relations.
Under NBT, where a suit is based on interference with a nonbinding relationship, the plaintiff must show that defendant’s conduct was not “lawful” but “more culpable.” The implication is that, as a general rule, the defendant’s conduct must amount to a crime or an independent tort. Conduct that is not criminal or tortious will generally be “lawful” and thus insufficiently “culpable” to create liability for interference with prospective contracts or other nonbinding economic relations.
Since the franchisees have not shown that Carvel’s conduct was criminal or independently tortious, they cannot recover unless an exception to the general rule is applicable. Such an exception has been recognized where a defendant engages in conduct “for the sole purpose of inflicting intentional harm on plaintiffs” (NBT Bancorp, Inc. v Fleet/Norstar Fin. Group, Inc., 215 AD2d 990, 990 [3d Dept 1995], affd 87 NY2d 614 [1996]), but that exception clearly does not apply here. It is undisputed that Carvel’s motive in interfering with the franchisees’ relationships with their customers was normal economic self-interest; Carvel wanted to reverse a period of business declines and make itself more profitable. It was not acting solely to hurt the franchisees; indeed, one of the franchisees’ prize pieces of evidence is a statement by a Carvel executive, in colorful terms, that he was completely indifferent to the franchisees’ fate.
We did not decide in Guard-Life or NBT, and we do not decide today, whether any other exception to the general rule exists— whether there can ever be other instances of conduct which, though not a crime or tort in itself, was so “culpable,” to use NBT’s word, that it could be the basis for a claim of tortious *191interference with economic relations. That is a question we leave for another day, because no such egregious conduct was shown here.
The sort of “more culpable” conduct we had in mind in NBT was described in Guard-Life, where we referred to a Restatement section dealing with the issue of when a business competitor may recover against another for “tortious interference.” Where no binding contract is interfered with, and there is no “unlawful restraint of trade,” the Restatement provides that the competitor will not be liable so long as “the means employed are not wrongful.” (Guard-Life, 50 NY2d at 191, summarizing Restatement [Second] of Torts § 768.) Continuing to draw on the Restatement, we added in Guard-Life-.
“ Wrongful means’ include physical violence, fraud or misrepresentation, civil suits and criminal prosecutions, and some degrees of economic pressure; they do not, however, include persuasion alone although it is knowingly directed at interference with the contract ([Restatement (Second) of Torts] § 768, Comment e; § 767, Comment c).” (Id.)
The Restatement section on which Guard-Life relied refers to actions between business competitors, and the plaintiff and defendant in Guard-Life were competitors in a marketplace. The logic of Guard-Life and NBT does not, however, depend on the parties’ status as competitors. The existence of competition may often be relevant, since it provides an obvious motive for defendant’s interference other than a desire to injure the plaintiff; competition, by definition, interferes with someone else’s economic relations. Where the parties are not competitors, there may be a stronger case that the defendant’s interference with the plaintiffs relationships was motivated by spite. But as long as the defendant is motivated by legitimate economic self-interest, it should not matter if the parties are or are not competitors in the same marketplace. Indeed, in NBT, while we referred to the defendant as the plaintiffs “competitor” (87 NY2d at 617), it is not clear from the opinion whether we meant that they were competitors in their everyday business, or only that they were competing for the particular corporate acquisition that gave rise to the lawsuit.
Thus it is not relevant here whether we characterize Carvel and its franchisees as “competitors.” The question, under Guard-Life and NBT, is whether the “means” employed by *192Carvel were “wrongful” or “culpable” as we used those terms in those cases. Most of the items in Guard-Life's catalog of “wrongful means” are acts that would be criminal or independently tortious, and most are obviously absent here: Carvel did not drive the franchisees’ customers away by physical violence, or lure them by fraud or misrepresentation, or harass them with meritless litigation (Guard-Life, 50 NY2d at 191).
The franchisees claim that Carvel did use wrongful “economic pressure” (id.), but that argument is ill-founded for two independent reasons.
First, it is ill-founded because the economic pressure that must be shown is not, as the franchisees assume, pressure on the franchisees, but on the franchisees’ customers. As federal courts applying New York law have recognized, conduct constituting tortious interference with business relations is, by definition, conduct directed not at the plaintiff itself, but at the party with which the plaintiff has or seeks to have a relationship. (G.K.A. Beverage Corp. v Honickman, 55 F3d 762, 768 [2d Cir 1995] [claim dismissed because alleged conduct was not directed at plaintiff’s customers]; Fonar Corp. v Magnetic Resonance Plus, Inc., 957 F Supp 477, 482 [SD NY 1997] [“(U)nder New York law, in order for a party to make out a claim for tortious interference with prospective economic advantage, the defendant must . . . direct some activities towards the third party . . .”]; Piccoli A/S v Calvin Klein Jeanswear Co., 19 F Supp 2d 157, 167-168 [SD NY 1998] [claim must fail because “defendants’ alleged conduct concededly was not directed towards any third party with whom Piccoli had an existing or prospective business relationship”].) While economic pressure brought to bear by one contracting party on the other may, on rare occasions, be tortious (see Albemarle Theatre, Inc. v Bayberry Realty Corp., 27 AD2d 172 [1st Dept 1967]; Rich v New York Cent. & Hudson Riv. R.R. Co., 87 NY 382 [1882]), it cannot constitute the tort of interference with economic relations. Here, all Carvel did to the franchisees’ customers was to make Carvel goods available in supermarkets at attractive prices; this, in the language of Guard-Life, was not “pressure” on these third parties but legitimate “persuasion,” and thus tortious interference with economic relations was not established.
The franchisees’ argument is also ill-founded because the Carvel activities they complain of do not amount to the sort of extreme and unfair “economic pressure” that might be “wrong*193ful” under Guard-Life and NBT. The crux of the franchisees’ complaint is that Carvel distributed its products through competitive channels, to an extent and in a way that was inconsistent with the franchisor-franchisee relationship. But the relationship between franchisors and franchisees is a complex one; while cooperative, it does not preclude all competition; and the extent to which competition is allowed should be determined by the contracts between the parties, not by courts or juries seeking after the fact to devise a code of conduct.
The facts of this case illustrate the point. Both the Type A and Type B contracts between Carvel and its franchisees expressly dealt with the question of when competition would be forbidden and when permitted. To the extent that the express words of the contracts failed to prohibit some acts arguably inconsistent with the nature of the relationship, the franchisees could—and did—invoke the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. The intervention of tort law to regulate when a franchisor may or may not compete with its franchisees is neither necessary nor useful.
Apart from attacking the supermarket program in general as excessively and destructively competitive, the franchisees also attack the coupon-redemption element of that program as excessive “economic pressure.” The essence of the coupon program was to give customers who used coupons a better price when they shopped in supermarkets. This, like any other form of price competition, should be regulated, if at all, by the franchisor-franchisee contract, not by tort law. The mere institution of a coupon program was not “economic pressure” rising to the level of “wrongful” or “culpable” conduct in the Guard-Life/NBT sense.
The franchisees also claim that, by putting coupons on the bags used by the franchisees—and thus compelling them, in effect, to promote products sold in supermarkets in competition with their own—Carvel went beyond legitimate competitive activity. The evidence of this practice, however, is extremely thin. No such evidence was introduced by either Marsella or Giampapa. John Noonan testified that the Noonans “had to” give their customers bags supplied by Carvel, and that an exhibit counsel showed him, a copy of a bag containing a coupon, looked like “the kind of Carvel bags . . . used in [the Noonans’] Carvel store from time to time.” There was no evidence that the Noonans or any other franchisees complained of having to distribute these bags, or were threatened by Carvel with consequences if *194they did not do so. There is no evidence of how many bags containing coupons were distributed, or what if any economic impact the coupons derived from bags had on any franchisee. At best for the franchisees, the record shows that the Noonans received some indeterminate number of coupon-bearing bags from Carvel “from time to time” and gave them to customers. This does not come close to showing the kind of “economic pressure” that might support a claim for tortious interference with economic relations—quite apart from the fact that, as explained above, that tort could exist only if the “pressure” were on the customers, not the franchisees.
The franchisees argue that their tort claim is supported by our decision in A.S. Rampell, Inc. v Hyster Co. (3 NY2d 369 [1957]), but Rampell is distinguishable. The defendant in Rampell, a manufacturer, had enticed away not its distributor’s customers, but the distributor’s key employees. The distributor claimed that, because of the “relation of confidence” between it and the manufacturer, the inducement was actionable “since its real purpose was the appropriation by [the manufacturer] of plaintiffs sales organization and good will” (3 NY2d at 375). No similar claim is made here, and our decision upholding the complaint in Rampell does not alter our conclusion in this case.
Accordingly, the first certified question should be answered in the negative and the second not answered as academic.