concurring in part and dissenting in part:
I join in the majority opinion except for footnote 4 and Parts 11(3) and (4). Al*584though I agree there is no way at this point to afford Lynch any relief, I would have voted to reverse the pretrial detention order because the government did not show why it was necessary to rely solely on hearsay to demonstrate that Lynch was too dangerous for bail.
I.
In Part 11(3), the majority permits hearsay testimony to establish a defendant’s dangerousness. The government does not have to sustain the burden of showing why the witnesses who have first-hand information should not be made available and subject to cross-examination. I will discuss in Part III why I believe this violates due process. Initially, however, I believe a few preliminary comments are in order.
Because of court congestion, suspects in first-degree murder cases are likely to face detention without right to bail for more than a year before trial. See Montague v. United States, 522 A.2d 866 (D.C.1987). And, as court congestion increases, I fear such detention will get longer and longer, with the result that our courts permit the lack of judicial resources to bend and reshape constitutional rights for the convenience of the community, just as this court unfortunately did in Montague and, earlier, in Graves v. United States, 490 A.2d 1086 (D.C.1984) (en banc) (sustaining trial court denial of motion to dismiss for lack of speedy trial when appellant was incarcerated, unable to make bond, for 25 months between arrest and trial).
In United States v. Edwards, 430 A.2d 1321 (D.C.1981) (en banc), cert. denied, 455 U.S. 1022, 102 S.Ct. 1721, 72 L.Ed.2d 141 (1982), this court struggled over a case of first impression nationally: the question whether an accused in a non-capital case has a constitutional right to bail and, if not, what constitutional standards should apply to pretrial detention without bail. At the time, the very idea of such preventive detention was tremendously controversial, and the decision for many on the court and in the community was an agonizing one. Such detention now is routine. In the face of a crime problem that literally overwhelms our community and our detention facilities, it is too easy to forget — and even to disparage — basic constitutional rights. I worry about that. I therefore am writing here about local legal developments since Edwards, in the hope of keeping alive the discussion about what process is due under the Constitution when the government seeks to detain an accused before trial without right to bail.
II.
The core of the majority opinion is Part 11(1) requiring the government to show dangerousness under D.C.Code § 23-1325(a) (1988 Supp.) by clear and convincing evidence. I wholeheartedly agree with the majority here, except for the footnote.
Some background may be helpful. D.C. Code § 23-1322(b)(2)(B) (1981), pertaining primarily to “dangerous crimes” and “crimes of violence” (as defined), conditions pretrial detention without bail on trial court findings that support a conclusion that “there is no condition or combination of conditions of release which will reasonably assure the safety of any other person or the community.” In Edwards, this court sustained the constitutionality of § 23-1322, concluding — significantly—that all such findings, based on factors specified in D.C.Code § 23-1321(b) (1981), may be supported merely by probable cause to believe they are true. I dissented from this latter conclusion, believing due process requires that findings in support of preventive detention, predicting future dangerousness, must be premised on clear and convincing evidence. Edwards, 430 A.2d at 1350, 1360 (Ferren, J., dissenting).
Edwards, of course, concerned pretrial detention without bail for alleged crimes which, at the time, entitled the accused to a trial or to bail within 60 days of such detention. (That provision has been amended to extend this period to 90 days with court approval. D.C.Code § 23-1322(d)(4) (1988 Supp.).) This case is different. It concerns D.C.Code § 23-1325(a) (1988 Supp.), authorizing pretrial detention without bail — and without *585the statutory right to a speedy trial within 60 to 90 days — when someone is charged with first-degree murder and a judicial officer has “reason to believe that no one or more conditions of release [under § 23-1321] will assure that the person will not flee or pose a danger to any other person or to the community.” In DeVeau v. United States, 454 A.2d 1308, 1316 (D.C.1982), a division of this court sustained the constitutionality of D.C.Code § 23-1325(a) (1988 Supp.). Relying on Edwards, the DeVeau court construed § 23-1325(a) — in particular, the words “reason to believe”— to mean that findings of future dangerousness justifying unlimited pretrial detention could be premised merely on probable cause. Clear and convincing evidence was not required.
DeVeau has meant that anyone accused of first-degree murder can be lawfully arrested and detained without right to bail based merely on probable cause to believe that otherwise the accused is likely to flee or poses an unacceptable danger to others. Thus, probable cause has been enough to sustain detention while the government waits almost 9 months to indict, followed by a trial almost 13 months after detention began. See Montague, supra. The division majority in Montague apparently did not agree that such extended pretrial detention without bail very likely had become punitive and thus violated due process. See id., 522 A.2d at 867 (Ferren, J., dissenting). Montague, therefore, shows why it is so important that the initial findings justifying detention based on dangerousness must be premised on clear and convincing evidence, as the en banc court holds today. If someone is to be held in jail, without right to bail, for 13 months — or more — before indictment and trial, then there had better be a substantially sounder basis for imposing such a significant restraint on one’s liberty than mere probable cause to believe the accused poses a danger to others, the minimal standard permitted to justify a lawful arrest.
Influenced by the Supreme Court’s decision in United States v. Salerno, 481 U.S. 739, 107 S.Ct. 2095, 95 L.Ed.2d 697 (1987), the en banc majority now agrees with the constitutional requirement of a clear and convincing evidence standard. The majority thus overrules DeVeau’s reliance on probable cause for § 23-1325(a) cases. I cannot emphasize strongly enough that— despite footnote 4 to Part 11(1) — the en banc majority today also casts a cloud over the probable cause analysis in Edwards applicable to D.C.Code § 23-1322 (1981 & 1988 Supp.). No one now can be sure that the statutory right under § 23-1322 to a trial within 60 to 90 days is a principled enough reason for justifying preventive detention based merely on probable cause in cases not involving charges of first-degree murder. My own view is that, given the majority’s analysis, the trial court should now require clear and convincing evidence for pretrial detention under § 23-1322.
III.
The clear and convincing evidence issue is not all that is involved here, however. I believe “due process entitles the accused to notice of all the charges about past or present conduct he or she will face at the pretrial detention hearing.” Edwards, 430 A.2d at 1351 (Ferren, J., dissenting); see id. at 1356-57. The majority ignores this issue. I also believe that due process “entitles the accused to confront and cross-examine any government witness” whose testimony in support of dangerousness the government intends to proffer, “unless the government sustains the burden of showing good cause why the witness should not be called.” Id. at 1351; see id. at 1357-58. My colleagues’ rejection of this elementary requirement of due process is why I so profoundly disagree with Part 11(3) of the majority disposition.
I will not repeat the arguments I elaborated in Edwards. Rather, I shall simply note why the record in this case shows a serious problem with a finding of dangerousness based primarily on hearsay that would be inadmissible at a criminal trial, without the government’s even having to demonstrate why testimony by its witnesses on dangerousness, subject to cross-examination, would be unduly burdensome. In this case, the government proffered evi*586dence of Lynch’s juvenile record of second-degree burglary (one consent decree and one adjudication) coupled with a revocation of probation for truancy, all apparently occurring three years before the present case. The government also proffered evidence of Lynch’s adult convictions for receiving stolen property and for unauthorized use of a vehicle, followed by successful completion of probation. Finally, there was evidence Lynch had tested positive for drug use. It is inconceivable to me that this evidence — containing no adult criminal record of a “dangerous crime,” D.C.Code § 23-1331(3) (1981) — could be deemed clear and convincing evidence of future dangerousness within the meaning of the pretrial detention statute. So we have the question whether Lynch’s prior record, when coupled with the government’s proffered evidence of Lynch’s alleged involvement in a first-degree murder, can reasonably be said to provide clear and convincing evidence “that no one or more conditions of release [under § 23-1321] will reasonably assure that the person will not flee or pose a danger to any other person or to the community.” D.C.Code § 23-1325(a) (1988 Supp.).
Counsel for the government conceded at oral argument that the hearsay evidence of Lynch’s alleged involvement in the murder was not, in itself, clear and convincing evidence of his dangerousness. That conclusion, to me, is dispositive here. If that evidence is less than clear and convincing, I do not understand how appellant’s prior record of antisocial conduct — as a juvenile three years earlier and as an adult culminating in successful probation after convictions not involving a “dangerous crime,” as defined — can add enough to the calculus to justify preventive detention.
It is unclear to me whether counsel for the government finds the murder evidence itself less than clear and convincing for detention purposes because it is hearsay, or because this one alleged instance of violent conduct, even if proved by clear and convincing direct testimonial evidence at the pretrial hearing, would not be sufficient unless coupled with evidence of previous antisocial conduct suggesting a pattern and practice of serious disregard for the law. Whatever the answer, the government basically argues that the hearsay evidence is of sufficient quality to imply trustworthiness and that this evidence, when coupled with Lynch’s prior record, provided a clear and convincing enough basis to warrant detention without bail.
In support of this proposition, the government cites hearsay testimony through a police officer that the same witness identified both Lynch and his co-defendant (who allegedly shot the victim). The government also notes hearsay testimony through the same officer that a Virginia state trooper had arrested appellant and his co-defendant together in Northumber-land County, Virginia, a day or so after the shooting. Finally, the same officer provided hearsay testimony about a police investigation that had revealed a rivalry between Job Corps youth from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where the decedent had resided, and those from the District of Columbia, where Lynch and his co-defendant lived. Because the decedent, Lynch, and the co-defendant had been together in the same Job Corps facility, the government argued that “the Court could well infer that this was an execution,” although the testifying officer stated he had learned the decedent knew the co-defendant in the Job Corps program “but did not, was not connected with Mr. Lynch.”
I would agree that if some of the critical evidence supplied by hearsay testimony had been substantiated by witnesses who had testified from their own personal knowledge, subject to cross-examination, then the trial court could have found dangerousness by clear and convincing evidence. But here, one police officer supplied all the information on which the trial court relied, none of which the officer had learned from personal observation. He therefore could not be cross-examined very closely. When one can be detained without bail for a year or more before trial, see Montague, supra, that hearsay basis for the detention order is insufficient unless the government can sustain the burden of convincing the court that, in the interest of *587the public, no witness to any of these events should have to appear. See Edwards, 430 A.2d at 1351, 1355 (Ferren, J., dissenting). On this record, I would have voted to reverse the pretrial detention order, absent a showing as to why hearsay was necessary.
At oral argument, counsel for the government stressed his concern that government witnesses often are reluctant to appear before the grand jury, let alone at trial, out of fear of the accused or of the accused’s compatriots. There would be all the greater reluctance, we were told, if an on-scene witness had to appear at a preliminary hearing. I appreciate this concern. See Edwards, 430 A.2d at 1358 (Ferren, J., dissenting). But not all witnesses in every case will fit into this category. Furthermore, even when the government’s concern is justified, I perceive no reason why the government, as a condition of going forward with hearsay testimony, should not feel confident presenting its reasons for consideration by the trial court, subject to a right of expedited appeal, D.C.Code § 23-1324(d) (1981). No other type of criminal proceeding permits incarceration for an appreciable length of time, without the right to bail or an early trial date, based solely on hearsay.1
IV.
The majority’s overruling of DeVeau on the basis of the Supreme Court’s opinion in Salerno is a step forward. But the court’s position in Part 11(3) repeats what I believe was an incorrect ruling in Edwards. I dissent from that. It will be interesting, moreover, to see how this court handles the case — which will surely come — anticipated by the majority’s footnote 4.
. According to the Supreme Court in Salerno, 481 U.S. at 752, 107 S.Ct. at 2104, its earlier decision in Gerstein v. Pugh, 420 U.S. 103, 95 S.Ct. 854, 43 L.Ed.2d 54 (1975), authorizes under the fourth amendment merely a "limited postarrest detention” based on probable cause that often is supplied by hearsay. See also United States v. Edwards, 430 A.2d at 1351, 1352-54 (Ferren, J., dissenting). Gerstein, therefore, does not foreclose a fifth amendment limitation on extended detention based on hearsay evidence of dangerousness. See id., 430 A.2d at 1352-54 (Ferren, J., dissenting).