ACCEPTED
03-15-00436-CV
6465052
THIRD COURT OF APPEALS
AUSTIN, TEXAS
8/12/2015 2:02:21 PM
JEFFREY D. KYLE
CLERK
No. 03-15-00436-CV
In the Third Court of AppealsFILED IN
Austin, Texas 3rd COURT OF APPEALS
AUSTIN, TEXAS
8/12/2015 2:02:21 PM
CHARLES O. “CHUCK” GRIGSON, JEFFREY D. KYLE
GERALD HOOKS, AND LESLIE HOOKS, Clerk
Appellants,
v.
THE STATE OF TEXAS; THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE; THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF INSURANCE;
AND FARMERS GROUP, INC. ET AL.,
Appellees.
On Appeal from the 261st Judicial District Court, Travis County, Texas
Cause No. D-1-GV-02-002501
APPELLEES’ MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE REPLY IN FURTHER
SUPPORT OF JOINT MOTIONS TO DISMISS APPELLANTS’
APPEALS FOR LACK OF APPELLATE JURISDICTION
Marcy Hogan Greer Joshua R. Godbey
State Bar No. 08417650 State Bar No. 24049996
mgreer@adjtlaw.com joshua.godbey@texasattorneygeneral.gov
ALEXANDER DUBOSE JEFFERSON & Ryan S. Mindell
TOWNSEND LLP State Bar No. 24089707
515 Congress Ave., Suite 2350 ryan.mindell@texasattorneygeneral.gov
Austin, Texas 78701 Jennifer S. Jackson
Telephone: 512-482-9300 State Bar No. 24060004
Telecopier: 512-482-9303 jennifer.jackson@texasattorneygeneral.gov
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
M. Scott Incerto P.O. Box 12548
State Bar No. 10388950 Austin, Texas 78711-2548
scott.incerto@nortonrosefulbright.com Telephone: (512) 475-4209
NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT US LLP Fax: (512) 477-2348)
98 San Jacinto Blvd., Suite 1100
Austin, Texas 78701 COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFFS-APPELLEES, THE
Telephone: 512-474-5201 STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT
Telecopier: 512-536-4598 OF INSURANCE, AND THE TEXAS
COMMISSIONER OF INSURANCE
COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANTS-APPELLEES
THE FARMERS PARTIES
TO THE HONORABLE COURT OF APPEALS:
Appellees, the State of Texas, the Texas Department of Insurance and the
Texas Commissioner of Insurance (jointly, “the State”) and the Farmers Parties 1
(together with the State, the “Settling Parties”) file this Motion for Leave to File
Reply in Further Support of Joint Motions to Dismiss Appellants’ Appeals for
Lack of Appellate Jurisdiction to show the Court the following:
Appellant Charles O. “Chuck” Grigson filed his Response to Appellees’
Joint Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Appellate Jurisdiction (“Grigson’s Response”)
on July 31, 2015.
Appellants Gerald and Leslie Hooks untimely 2 filed their Response to
Appellees’ Joint Motion to Dismiss Gerald and Leslie Hookses’ Appeal for Lack
of Appellate Jurisdiction (“Hookses’ Response”) on August 7, 2015.
Grigson’s Response and the Hookses’ Response necessitate a reply by the
Settling Parties to address Grigson’s and the Hookses’ characterizations of the
record and the law applicable to this case.
1
Farmers Group, Inc., Fire Underwriters Association, Farmers Underwriters Association,
Farmers Insurance Exchange, Fire Insurance Exchange, Texas Farmers Insurance Company,
Mid-Century Insurance Company of Texas, Mid-Century Insurance Company, Farmers Texas
County Mutual Insurance Company, Truck Insurance Exchange, and Truck Underwriters
Association
2
On July 27, 2015, this Court directed the Hookses to file their response on or before August 6,
2015.
CONCLUSION AND PRAYER
For these reasons, the Appellees, the Settling Parties, request that the Court
grant them leave to file the accompanying Joint Reply, consider the attached Joint
Reply, and grant all other and further relief the Appellees have requested in this
appeal and are entitled to.
2
Date: August 12, 2015 Respectfully submitted,
/s/ M. Scott Incerto
Marcy Hogan Greer
State Bar No. 08417650
mgreer@adjtlaw.com
ALEXANDER DUBOSE JEFFERSON & TOWNSEND LLP
515 Congress Avenue, Suite 2350
Austin, Texas 78701-3562
Telephone: (512) 482-9300
Facsimile: (512) 482-9303
M. Scott Incerto
State Bar No. 10388950
scott.incerto@nortonrosefulbright.com
NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT US LLP
98 San Jacinto Blvd., Suite 1100
Austin, Texas 78701
Telephone: 512-474-5201
Telecopier: 512-536-4598
Darryl W. Anderson
State Bar No. 24008694
darryl.anderson@nortonrosefulbright.com
Geraldine W. Young
State Bar No. 24084134
geraldine.young@nortonrosefulbright.com
NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT US LLP
1301 McKinney, Suite 5100
Houston, Texas 77010 3095
Telephone: 713 651 5151
Telecopier: 713 651 5246
ATTORNEYS FOR DEFENDANTS-APPELLEES FIRE
UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, FARMERS GROUP,
INC., FARMERS UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION,
FARMERS INSURANCE EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE
EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS INSURANCE COMPANY,
MID-CENTURY INSURANCE COMPANY OF TEXAS,
MID-CENTURY INSURANCE COMPANY, FARMERS
TEXAS COUNTY MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY,
TRUCK INSURANCE EXCHANGE, AND TRUCK
UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION
3
Respectfully submitted,
KEN PAXTON
Attorney General of Texas
CHARLES E. ROY
First Assistant Attorney General
JAMES E. DAVIS
Deputy Attorney General for Civil Litigation
ROBERT O’KEEFE
Division Chief
Financial Litigation, Tax, and Charitable Trusts Division
/s/ Joshua R. Godbey
JOSHUA R. GODBEY
Assistant Attorney General
LEAD ATTORNEY
State Bar No. 24049996
Telephone: (512) 475-4209
joshua.godbey@texasattorneygeneral.gov
RYAN S. MINDELL
Assistant Attorney General
State Bar No. 24089707
Telephone: (512) 936-1721
ryan.mindell@texasattorneygeneral.gov
JENNIFER S. JACKSON
Assistant Attorney General
State Bar No. 24060004
Telephone: (512) 463-9917
jennifer.jackson@texasattorneygeneral.gov
Financial Litigation, Tax, and Charitable Trusts Division
P.O. Box 12548
Austin, Texas 78711-2548
Fax: (512) 477-2348)
ATTORNEYS FOR PLAINTIFFS-APPELLEES, THE STATE
OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE,
AND THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF INSURANCE
4
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
On August 12, 2015, I electronically filed the Appellees’ Motion for Leave
to File Reply in Further Support of Joint Motions to Dismiss Appellants’ Appeals
for Lack of Appellate Jurisdiction with the Clerk of the Court using the
eFile.TXCourts.gov electronic filing system which will send notification of such
filing to the following (unless otherwise noted below).
Joe K. Longley Michael J. Woods
Philip K. Maxwell 8620 N. New Braunfels, Ste. 522
1609 Shoal Creek Blvd. # 100 San Antonio, TX 78217
Austin, TX 78701 MichaelJWoods@sbcglobal.net
Joe@JoeLongley.com
phil@philmaxwell.com Pro Se Intervenor/Objector
Counsel for Appellant Charles O.
“Chuck” Grigson
Joseph C. Blanks
P.O. Box 999
Doucette, TX 75942
blanxlex@gmail.com
Counsel for Appellants Gerald and
Lesly Hooks
/s/ M. Scott Incerto
M. Scott Incerto
5
CERTIFICATE OF CONFERENCE
I certify that, on August 11, 2015, I conferred with Joe K. Longley, counsel
for Appellant Charles O. “Chuck” Grigson, and with Joseph Blanks, counsel for
Appellants Gerald and Leslie Hooks, about the merits of the foregoing motion,
pursuant to Texas Rule of Appellate Procedure 10.1(a)(5), and they stated,
respectively, that Grigson and the Hookses were opposed to the motion.
/s/ M. Scott Incerto
M. Scott Incerto
CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE WITH TEX. R. APP. P. 9.4(i)
I certify that the foregoing document contains 310 words and complies with
the word limit set forth in Texas Rule of Appellate Procedure 9.4(i).
/s/ M. Scott Incerto
M. Scott Incerto
6
No. 03-15-00436-CV
In the Third Court of Appeals
Austin, Texas
CHARLES O. “CHUCK” GRIGSON,
GERALD HOOKS, AND LESLIE HOOKS,
Appellants,
v.
THE STATE OF TEXAS; THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE; THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF INSURANCE;
and FARMERS GROUP, INC. ET AL.,
Appellees.
On Appeal from the 261st Judicial District Court, Travis County, Texas
Cause No. D-1-GV-02-002501
APPELLEES’ REPLY IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF JOINT MOTIONS
TO DISMISS APPELLANTS GRIGSON’S AND THE HOOKSES’
APPEALS FOR LACK OF APPELLATE JURISDICTION
Marcy Hogan Greer Joshua R. Godbey
State Bar No. 08417650 State Bar No. 24049996
mgreer@adjtlaw.com joshua.godbey@texasattorneygeneral.gov
ALEXANDER DUBOSE JEFFERSON & Ryan S. Mindell
TOWNSEND LLP State Bar No. 24089707
515 Congress Ave., Suite 2350 ryan.mindell@texasattorneygeneral.gov
Austin, Texas 78701 Jennifer S. Jackson
Telephone: 512-482-9300 State Bar No. 24060004
Telecopier: 512-482-9303 jennifer.jackson@texasattorneygeneral.gov
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
M. Scott Incerto P.O. Box 12548
State Bar No. 10388950 Austin, Texas 78711-2548
scott.incerto@nortonrosefulbright.com Telephone: (512) 475-4209
NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT US LLP Fax: (512) 477-2348)
98 San Jacinto Blvd., Suite 1100
Austin, Texas 78701 COUNSEL FOR PLAINTIFFS-APPELLEES, THE
Telephone: 512-474-5201 STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT
Telecopier: 512-536-4598 OF INSURANCE, AND THE TEXAS
COMMISSIONER OF INSURANCE
COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANTS-APPELLEES
THE FARMERS PARTIES
TO THE HONORABLE COURT OF APPEALS:
Appellees, the State of Texas, the Texas Department of Insurance and the
Texas Commissioner of Insurance (jointly, “the State”) and the Farmers Parties 1
(together, the “Settling Parties”) file this Reply in further support of their:
(1) Joint Motion to Dismiss Appellant Charles O. “Chuck” Grigson’s
Appeal for Lack of Appellate Jurisdiction and Request for Expedited
Consideration of the Motion (“Motion to Dismiss Grigson’s Appeal”), which was
filed on July 20, 2015; and
(2) Joint Motion to Dismiss Appellants Gerald and Leslie Hookses’ Appeal
for Lack of Appellate Jurisdiction and Request for Expedited Consideration of the
Motion (“Motion to Dismiss Hookses’ Appeal”), which was filed on July 24, 2015.
This Reply also responds to Grigson’s Response to the Motion to Dismiss
Grigson’s Appeal (“Grigson’s Response”) that was filed on July 31, 2015, and the
Hookses’ Response to the Motion to Dismiss Hookses’ Appeal (“Hookses’
Response”) that was untimely filed on August 7, 2015. 2
1
Farmers Group, Inc., Fire Underwriters Association, Farmers Underwriters Association,
Farmers Insurance Exchange, Fire Insurance Exchange, Texas Farmers Insurance Company,
Mid-Century Insurance Company of Texas, Mid-Century Insurance Company, Farmers Texas
County Mutual Insurance Company, Truck Insurance Exchange, and Truck Underwriters
Association
2
On July 27, 2015, this Court directed the Hookses to file their response on or before August 6,
2015.
PRELIMINARY STATEMENT
Grigson’s and the Hookses’ Responses confirm that the district court’s
Order of Preliminary Approval (“Preliminary Approval Order”) cannot be
appealed under the narrow jurisdictional window for orders that certify or refuse to
certify a class. Grigson and the Hookses (jointly, “Intervenors”) can point to no
language in the order that certifies the Settlement Classes. 3 Given that the
Settlement Classes were indisputably certified in 2003 and affirmed on appeal by
the Texas Supreme Court and this Court, it is not surprising that the district court
did not engage in a superfluous re-certification of the same classes—a fact
Intervenors recognized at the preliminary approval hearing itself, but now seek to
avoid in an effort to obtain an unwarranted second bite at the appellate apple.
To try and create an appellate hook, Intervenors’ Responses resort to
contradictory positions and mischaracterization. Intervenors assert that the district
court’s reference to its prior certification decision, approval of class notice, and
rejection of Grigson’s “collusion” allegations somehow means that the court
“expressly” certified the Settlement Classes anew. In the alternative, they argue
the converse—that the district court also wrongly omitted express certification
language from the Preliminary Approval Order. In this regard, they claim that the
3
For consistency, the Settling Parties will continue to use the terms they defined in their Motions
to Dismiss.
2
prior 2003 certification decision “terminated” or was “abandoned”—even though
the Parties to the agreement themselves and the district court have confirmed that
the relevant documents do not support such an interpretation. Intervenors also
argue that an interlocutory appeal is permitted because the Preliminary Approval
Order “altered” the Settlement Classes but they fail to show any alteration in the
Settlement Classes—only changes in the Settlement Agreement, which are not
appealable at this time. In short, Grigson’s and the Hookses’ arguments are
supported by neither law nor evidence and fail to provide any jurisdictional basis
for their identical attempted appeals. Grigson’s arguments about staying class
notice are the same groundless assertions from his Emergency Motion to Stay the
Sending of Class Notice and should also be rejected.
For the reasons demonstrated here and in the Settling Parties’ Motions to
Dismiss, Grigson’s and the Hookses’ appeals should be dismissed.
ARGUMENT
I. Intervenors Fail to Demonstrate that the District Court’s Preliminary
Approval Order Certified a Class Action
Grigson first argues that the Preliminary Approval Order is, “[b]y its express
terms . . . a class certification order” because the Order contains language about the
class definitions, class notice, and no collusion that is similar to the language found
3
in the Texas class action rule, Texas Rule of Civil Procedure 42. 4 Grigson’s
Response at 2. The Hookses, on the other hand, concede that the Order lacks
express certification but nonetheless argue that it “certifies the settlement classes.”
Hookses’ Response at 2.
At the outset, Intervenors’ inability to identify any actual class certification
language in the Order defeats their own arguments. If there were any doubt, the
Court need only read the passages from the July 2015 preliminary approval hearing
where the district court made it absolutely clear that it was not recertifying the
Settlement Classes and was rejecting arguments that recertification was required
under any reading of the Settlement Agreement or the district court’s prior orders.
Ex. 3 to Motion to Dismiss Grigson’s Appeal, Tr. 122-23, 133-34. Indeed,
Grigson’s complaint to the district court was not that it wrongly certified a class
but instead that the district court erred in refusing to make another certification
determination. 5 Because, as Grigson complained, the district court did not even
decide certification, its Preliminary Approval Order cannot be one that “certifies or
4
In fact, the certification of this class action was affirmed pursuant to the Insurance Code, see
Tex. Ins. Code § 541.251, as the Texas Supreme Court made clear in its prior ruling affirming
the certification decision. See Lubin v. Farmers Grp., Inc., 222 S.W.3d 417, 424-27 (Tex. 2007).
5
See Ex. 3 to Motion to Dismiss Grigson’s Appeal, Tr. 122 (Grigson’s counsel objecting to “an
order that does not certify classes”), Tr. 134:14-16 (Grigson’s counsel acknowledging on the
record that the district court’s Order “will not have a separate certification or refusal to certify”);
Ex. 4 to Grigson’s Response, at 4 (Grigson’s Response to Preliminary Approval, May 15, 2015)
(“Grigson objects to preliminary approval of the proposed settlement without a hearing on
whether the settlement classes can be certified and a Court determination on that issue.”).
4
refuses to certify a class.” See TEX. CIV. PRAC. & REM. CODE ANN. § 51.014(a)(3).
Unable to quote any actual “express terms,” Intervenors instead present the Court
with an entirely twisted reading of the Preliminary Approval Order that fails to
provide interlocutory jurisdiction.
First, Intervenors have no basis, under Rule 42, Texas Insurance Code
§ 541.251, or any other authority, to argue that the mere recitation of the settlement
class definitions somehow turns an order into a certification decision. See
Grigson’s Response at 2. As is evident from the face of the Order, the district
court only acknowledged that it “previously certified” the classes, with definitions
that have not changed since 2003, and that the certification “has been affirmed in
its entirety by the appellate courts of Texas.” Ex. 1 to Motion to Dismiss
Grigson’s Appeal, at 2-3 ¶ 2. That is not a certification or a refusal to certify.
Second, Intervenors cannot establish interlocutory appellate jurisdiction
based on the district court’s approval of a revised class notice in the Preliminary
Approval Order. See, e.g., Citgo Ref. and Mktg., Inc. v. Garza, 94 S.W.3d 322,
327 (Tex. App.—Corpus Christi-Edinburg 2002, no pet.) (“[N]o Texas court has
held that an order approving the form of notice to a class is subject to interlocutory
appeal. . . . the present attempted appeal is dismissed for want of jurisdiction.”).
Third, contrary to Intervenors’ arguments, the Preliminary Approval Order
does not “fundamentally alter[]” the 2003 certification decision in this case. See
5
Grigson’s Response at 2. It does not alter the Settlement Classes one iota.
Grigson’s redline comparison in his Response actually demonstrates that any
changes made to the no collusion portion of the Order were minor and immaterial.
See Grigson’s Response at 3. In the Order, the district court affirms its previous
conclusion about no collusion and the State’s representation of the classes. Ex. 1
to Motion to Dismiss Grigson’s Appeal, at 3 ¶ 5. Nowhere does the court say that
it is making a new certification determination under Rule 42(a)(4) or Texas
Insurance Code § 541.251. Moreover, Intervenors’ “collusion” allegations were
considered in connection with preliminary approval of the settlement—not class
certification—and the preliminary approval is not subject to an interlocutory
appeal. See McAllen Med. Ctr., Inc. v. Cortez, 66 S.W.3d 227, 234 (Tex. 2001)
(“[T]he trial court’s preliminary approval of the [] settlement has no binding force.
. . . appellate review is premature.”).
Finally, Intervenors’ overall argument—that a class action order that merely
mentions class action requirements is an appealable order under § 51.014(a)(3)—is
contrary to the statute and well-established Texas law and public policy. 6 It was
“the [Texas] Legislature’s intent that section 51.014 be strictly construed . . . [and]
6
Hall v. Pedernales Elec. Co-op., Inc., 278 S.W.3d 536, 549 (Tex. App.—Austin 2009, no pet.)
(“Appellate review of the trial court’s approval of a class settlement is limited, due to ‘the strong
judicial policy favoring the resolution of disputes through settlement.’”); Briscoe v. Goodmark
Corp., 102 S.W.3d 714, 716 (Tex. 2003) (law of the case doctrine).
6
that an appeal lies only from an order that ‘certifies or refuses to certify a class.’”
Bally Total Fitness Corp. v. Jackson, 53 S.W.3d 352, 355, 358 (Tex. 2001). It was
not the Legislature’s intent to “[a]llow[] interlocutory appeals whenever a trial
court refuses to change its mind” like the district court did here when it refused to
re-do its 2003 certification decision; a contrary rule “would invite successive
appeals and undermine the statute’s purpose of promoting judicial economy.” City
of Houston v. Estate of Jones, 388 S.W.3d 663, 667 (Tex. 2012) (per curiam).
Texas courts have even gone so far as to reject attempted interlocutory appeals
from orders modifying a class definition or the size of a class 7 and orders refusing
to decertify a class. 8
Thus, had Intervenors actually moved the district court to decertify the
classes based on their “collusion” and “conflict” arguments or the purported
7
Bally, 53 S.W.3d at 355 (“[T]he statute does not authorize an appeal of an order merely
enlarging the size of a class or an order modifying a class’s definition.”); Tana Oil & Gas Corp.
v. Cernosek, No. 03-02-00096-CV, 2002 WL 536308, at *1 (Tex. App.—Austin Apr. 11, 2002,
no pet.) (dismissing an interlocutory appeal from a class modification order for lack of
jurisdiction); Garza, 94 S.W.3d at 328 (“[A] trial court’s exercise of its continuing power to alter
or amend the nature of an existing certified class by an order increasing its size does not ‘certify
or refuse to certify a class’ for purposes of an interlocutory appeal. Similarly, an order
modifying the class definition is not subject to interlocutory appeal . . . .”).
8
Estate of Jones, 388 S.W.3d at 667 (“A trial court’s refusal to decertify was not the functional
equivalent of a decision granting certification; the Legislature could have added language to
section 51.014(a)(3) to permit appeals from orders refusing to decertify a class, but did not.”);
Rainbow Grp., Ltd. v. Wagoner, 219 S.W.3d 485, 491 (Tex. App.—Austin 2007, no pet.) (“[A]n
order denying a motion to decertify a class is not within the scope of the statute authorizing
interlocutory appeals.”); Union Pac. Res. Grp., Inc. v. Hankins, 51 S.W.3d 738, 740-41 (Tex.
App.—El Paso 2001, no pet.) (holding that the trial court’s orders supplementing a class
certification order and denying a motion to reconsider certification were not appealable).
7
termination of the prior settlement, clear authority from the Texas Supreme Court
would have precluded an appeal from an order denying that relief. Yet Intervenors
ask this Court to uphold jurisdiction over these same issues, where they never even
attempted to modify, much less move to decertify, the Settlement Classes. If
intervenors could create appellate jurisdiction over class action settlements merely
by refraining from actually filing a formal motion to decertify, the limits on
jurisdiction enforced by the Texas Supreme Court would be rendered illusory.
The district court’s Preliminary Approval Order had zero impact on the
certified classes, precluding any legitimate argument for an interlocutory appeal at
this time. The Preliminary Approval Order only preliminarily approved the
Settlement Agreement and authorized that a revised class notice, 12 years overdue,
finally be sent to the 1.8 million absent class members. Such an order does not fit
within the legislature’s small window for interlocutory appeals.
II. The Preliminary Approval Order Is Not Otherwise Appealable
A. The 2003 Certification Still Governs, As the Law of the Case and
As Recognized by the District Court and the Settling Parties
Intervenors try to manufacture appellate jurisdiction by arguing that, at the
time of the Preliminary Approval Order, the class settlement in this case and
previously certified classes had “terminated” or been “abandoned” and thus the
Settling Parties and district court are somehow “abrogating” appellate jurisdiction
8
by omitting express certification from the Order. 9 Grigson’s Response at 4-12;
Hookses’ Response at 3. These arguments are contrary to the express language of
the 2003 certification order, the settlement documents in this case, and the intent of
the Settling Parties and the district court—all of which have maintained that the
2003 certification still governs. 10 In any event, the Settling Parties’ agreement
could not abrogate the orders and opinions of the district court, this Court, and the
Texas Supreme Court.
Under all iterations of the Settlement Agreement, certification of the
Settlement Classes can be vacated only “[i]f this Settlement Agreement is
terminated pursuant to its terms, or if the Effective Date does not occur for any
reason.” Ex. 6 to Grigson’s Response, at 8 § III.5; Ex. 13 to Grigson’s Response,
at 8 § III.5. Intervenors have not argued that any of these events have occurred,
9
But, contradictorily, Grigson claims earlier in his Response that the certification is “express.”
See Grigson’s Response at 2-3.
10
See Ex. 1 to Motion to Dismiss, at 2-3 ¶ 2; Ex. 3 to Motion to Dismiss, Tr. 122-23
(recognizing the Settling Parties’ position “that the class was previously certified . . . and that the
class has never been decertified,” before stating that the district court will enter the Settling
Parties’ preliminary approval order as presented without any re-certification language).
Grigson’s excerpted quote from the September 4, 2014, hearing (Response at 8) mischaracterizes
the statements by the district court, which later recognized the updated 2013 settlement as merely
a “continuation” of the 2003 settlement and clarified, at the preliminary approval hearing, its
intent not to engage in re-certification. Ex. 1 to Reply, 9/4/2014 Hearing Tr. 58:8-16; see also id.
at 55-58 (full discussion); Ex. 3 to Motion to Dismiss Grigson’s Appeal, Tr. 134:7-18 (“[Y]ou
were each trying to spin my prior comments on the record to be a ‘oh, we need to recertify this
class’ from your perspective and ‘no we don't’ from their perspective. . . . It’s going to be the
order they’ve proposed.”); Ex. 3 to Reply, 4/29/2014 Hearing Tr. 104 (“We did all of the
standards of class certification. I don’t want to redo them.”).
9
nor could they. Under the settlement’s terms, only the parties to the agreement—
and not an intervenor like Grigson or the Hookses—have the right to terminate it,
and neither Settling Party has exercised that right. See Ex. 6 to Grigson’s
Response, at 14 §§ VII.1, VII.4; Ex. 13 to Grigson’s Response, at 15-16 §§ VII.1,
VII.4. Indeed, despite a decade of delay and failed appeals by intervenors
(including the Hookses and the former client of Grigson’s counsel), the Settling
Parties have maintained, and only enhanced the benefits in, their agreement. And
while the “Effective Date” (or final judgment) has not yet occurred, it can still
occur (even if Intervenors prevailed on their baseless appeals). See Ex. 6 to
Grigson’s Response, at 2; Ex. 13 to Grigson’s Response, at 2.
Furthermore, the Settlement Agreement in this case expressly allows and
contemplates that the Settling Parties would amend and modify the agreement in
writing, as the parties have done, without terminating the agreement or
certification. See Ex. 6 to Grigson’s Response, at 17 § X.3; Ex 13 to Grigson’s
Response, at 18 § X.3. Contrary to Intervenors’ assertions (Grigson’s Response at
5; Hookses’ Response at 3-4), the 2013 Second Amended Settlement Agreement
modified the 2003 Settlement Agreement in this case as little as possible, not
renegotiating any settlement terms and only bringing the settlement current, but it
did not require the parties to re-seek class certification. See Ex. 13 to Grigson’s
Response, at 8 § III.2. And the 2015 Supplement expressly provides that the
10
Settling Parties have fulfilled the requirement of obtaining class certification,
leaving no doubt of their intention that the Second Amended Settlement
Agreement and Supplement have no impact on the class definitions as previously
certified. Ex. 11 to Grigson’s Response at 2 § III.
The district court’s decision in 2014 not to preliminarily approve the Second
Amended Settlement Agreement (that, along with the 2015 Supplement, was just
preliminarily approved) also had no effect on certification. Contra Grigson’s
Response at 7. The “termination clause” excerpted by Grigson from the Second
Amended Settlement Agreement states only that “[i]n the event that the Court were
not to approve and certify the Settlement Classes in all respects as defined in this
Settlement Agreement (1) any stipulations and agreements made herein are null
and void.” Grigson’s Response at 7. There can be no question that the district
court has certified and the appellate courts have affirmed the Settlement Classes in
all respects as they are defined in the current Settlement Agreement. In sum,
neither Grigson nor the Hookses have any basis to argue “termination” or
“abandonment” of the 2003 certification. 11
11
Indeed, Intervenors’ tortured contractual reading is fundamentally at odds with hornbook
contract law. It does not comport with the plain language of the Settlement Agreement; it is
contrary to the expressed (and agreed) intent of the parties that signed the Settlement Agreement;
and it has been rejected by the district court. In no case of which the Settling Parties are aware
are non-signatories to a contract permitted to tell contracting parties that their agreement means
something different than what they think and intended it to mean. Certainly, Intervenors cite to
no authority for such a breathtaking usurpation of the law of contracts.
11
Grigson nonetheless brazenly asserts the “complicity of the trial court” in
this alleged effort to “abrogate” appellate jurisdiction. Grigson’s Response at 12;
see also id. at 9-12. As evidenced by the voluminous record and colloquy with
Grigson’s counsel, the district court heard Grigson’s and the Hookses’ objections,
as well as the evidence and arguments presented by the Settling Parties, and ruled
against Grigson and the Hookses. See Grigson’s Response at 10-11. There is
nothing complicit about that. Moreover, “a trial court is afforded considerable
authority and discretion in . . . decertifying or modifying the class if necessary as
the case develops.” Philadelphia Am. Life Ins. Co. v. Turner, 131 S.W.3d 576, 585
(Tex. App.—Fort Worth 2004, no pet.). None of the Intervenors even moved the
district court to invoke that discretion. The July 1-2, 2015, hearing was instead
about preliminary approval of the Settlement Agreement. Even if the Preliminary
Approval Order “might be wrong . . . [that] does not make it appealable, else all
alleged irregularities in a class-action suit would be immediately subject to
review.” Bally, 53 S.W.3d at 355-56. An appeal can be taken from the final
judgment if the Settlement Agreement is ultimately approved. But Grigson and the
Hookses lack any basis for invoking appellate jurisdiction at this time.
B. The District Court’s Preliminary Approval Order Did Not
Fundamentally Change the Nature of the Settlement Classes
Grigson and the Hookses also claim that this Court has appellate jurisdiction
over the Preliminary Approval Order even if the Order says nothing about
12
certification. Grigson’s Response at 12; Hookses’ Response at 9-10. The only
case they cite for that proposition, Phillips Petroleum Co. v. Yarbrough, 405
S.W.3d 70 (Tex. 2013), fails to support their argument. Phillips and the earlier
case that it relies on, De Los Santos v. Occidental Chemical Corp., 933 S.W.2d
493 (Tex. 1996) (per curiam), stand only for the “narrow” proposition that an
order, with no express certification, is appealable only if “it alters the fundamental
nature of the class.” Id. at 494; Phillips, 405 S.W.3d at 76.
In De Los Santos, after the district court previously certified a litigated opt-
out class, the parties settled and the class counsel, contrary to its previous position,
agreed to turn the opt-out class into a mandatory class, which the district court then
certified. 933 S.W.2d at 494. The Texas Supreme Court ruled that that specific
order was subject to an interlocutory appeal because “[c]hanging a class from opt-
out to mandatory does not simply enlarge its membership; it alters the fundamental
nature of the class.” Id. at 494. The Texas Supreme Court has since construed De
Los Santos as a “narrow ruling” that only covers orders that fundamentally alter
class certification. Bally, 53 S.W.3d at 355-56; see also Tana Oil & Gas Corp. v.
Cernosek, No. 03-02-00096-CV, 2002 WL 536308, at *1 (Tex. App.—Austin Apr.
11, 2002, no pet.) (dismissing appeal for lack of jurisdiction where there was “no
fundamental change in the class certification order”); Garza, 94 S.W.3d at 328
(“[A]n order that merely alters attributes of a class and does not affect the
13
underlying certification of the action as a class action is not an order subject to
interlocutory appeal under article 51.014(a)(3).”).
In Phillips, the Texas Supreme Court once again emphasized that the “ruling
in De Los Santos is narrow.” Phillips, 405 S.W.3d at 76. In that case, involving a
litigated class action, the class representative amended her petition after class
certification to add a new claim; the defendant moved for a ruling to preclude
adding the new claim as part of the class and for a new certification hearing, which
the district court denied. Id. at 72. The Texas Supreme Court found, for that
narrow circumstance, that appellate jurisdiction existed because the district court’s
order “changed the fundamental nature of the class in allowing the addition of the
claim.” Id. at 80.
Grigson and the Hookses have failed to, and could not, demonstrate that the
Preliminary Approval Order in this case has changed or altered “the fundamental
nature of the class[es]” that were previously certified by the district court in 2003
and affirmed by this Court and the Texas Supreme Court. De Los Santos, 933
S.W.2d at 494 (emphasis added). The class definitions or structure have not been
changed in any way. Unlike Phillips and De Los Santos, there has been no change
from opt-out to mandatory. Nor has any new claim been added. Instead, while the
Settling Parties updated their settlement in 2013 and 2015, they did not change the
nature of the classes or the claims settled, and the class definitions and
14
fundamental settlement structure in this case have remained exactly the same since
the 2003 certification order that was affirmed by this Court in 2009. See Ex. 13 to
Grigson’s Response, at 5; Lubin v. Farmers Grp., Inc., No. 03-03-00374-CV, 2009
WL 3682602 (Tex. App.—Austin Nov. 6, 2009, no pet.). 12
Grigson’s and the Hookses’ arguments in their Responses instead target
either the Settling Parties’ maintenance of settlement terms, entered into and
preliminarily approved in 2003, or issues that are irrelevant to certification and
settlement approval or that pertain only to preliminary approval of the settlement’s
terms—none of which are appealable at this time:
• Intervenors both complain about the State’s decision, as class counsel,
to maintain the original settlement term that undistributed settlement
proceeds will go to the Texas Unclaimed Property fund. This is a
baseless challenge to a settlement term that not only existed in 2003
but cannot, under Texas law, be appealed at this time; 13
• Intervenors allege that the Settling Parties, by cooperating in post-
settlement efforts (as settling parties do), have somehow participated
in “collusion.” Once again, they lack any basis for that serious
accusation, 14 which, as shown above, is not appealable at this time;
12
These and other facts are also in the personal knowledge of the undersigned, and so, no
affidavit in support is needed. TEX. R. APP. P. 10.2.
13
See Cortez, 66 S.W.3d at 234 (at preliminary approval, “the proposed settlement’s terms do
not affect the parties or the proceedings, and appellate review is premature”). This challenge and
its erroneous citation to the Highland Homes v. State case were also fully refuted by the Texas
Commissioner of Insurance, David Mattax, at the July 1, 2015, preliminary approval hearing.
Ex. 2 to Reply, Tr. 94:17-96:11, 137:7-138:4, 234:11-236:18; see also id. at 71:7-74:2.
14
As the Supreme Court has made clear, the question of “collusion” turns on whether or not the
settlement was “negotiated at arms’ length.” Gen. Motors Corp. v. Bloyed, 916 S.W.2d 949, 955
15
• Grigson’s cursory and groundless objection to the joint representation
of the Farmers Parties by their counsel of 13 years, from 2002 to the
present, is irrelevant to the settlement and does not transform the
Preliminary Approval Order into an appealable order; 15
• Grigson asserts a frivolous “ex parte” allegation, related to his denied
Motion to Disqualify, that is not only grounded in no law or facts but
is irrelevant to certification and the settlement; 16
• The Hookses claim, without any actual evidence, that class
membership has changed because a “quarter” of class members “have
likely expired” or died. Even if true, the certified classes are still the
same, as previously recognized by the district court and even the
Hookses’ counsel. 17 In any event, Texas law is clear that modification
of class size (which was not even done in the Preliminary Approval
Order) does not give rise to an interlocutory appeal; 18 and
(Tex. 1996). Intervenors do not challenge the negotiation of any settlement terms but merely
challenge the Settling Parties’ decision to stick with the law of the case. That is not collusion.
15
See Garza, 94 S.W.3d at 329 (“[The Texas Supreme Court] did not hold . . . that a conflict of
interest alone, even if one is created, transforms an order that is not otherwise subject to
interlocutory appeal into one that is.”). In any event, this “conflict” allegation was fully heard
and rejected by the district court in December 2014 when it refused to grant Grigson’s baseless
Motion to Disqualify opposing counsel, filed in September 2014 (12 years after the joint
representation started) and joined in by the Hookses. Grigson and the Hookses have never
sought a writ of mandamus from that ruling, and now it is far too late.
16
With no evidence whatsoever, Grigson continues to make the extraordinary claim that the
mediator in this case, former Judge Patrick Keel, who presided over a mediation that Grigson
refused to participate in, improperly contacted the district court at the Settling Parties’ request;
this allegation was refuted by mediator Keel in his testimony at the July 1, 2015, preliminary
approval hearing. Ex. 2 to Reply, Tr. 59:19-60:8.
17
When the Hookses previously made this same argument, the district court rejected it and
explained, “Whether they died or divorced or remarried or whatever, it’s still the same group of
people”; in response, the Hookses’ counsel conceded, “Well, in the abstract, the definition is still
the same definition.” Ex. 3 to Reply, 4/29/2014 Hearing Tr. 103 (emphasis added). The
Hookses also previously claimed in 2014, again with no evidence, that “10 percent or so” of
class members had died, so their “death” figure has more than doubled in just a year. Id. at 102.
18
Bally, 53 S.W.3d at 355 (“[T]he statute does not authorize an appeal of an order merely
enlarging the size of a class or an order modifying a class’s definition.”); Garza, 94 S.W.3d at
328 (“[A] trial court’s exercise of its continuing power to alter or amend the nature of an existing
16
• The Hookses cite several settlement updates (the enhancement of $10
million in settlement funds to class members, a carve-out in the
released claims, and elimination of the State’s attorneys’ fees)—but
fail to explain how those updates alter the fundamental nature of the
Settlement Classes—as opposed to the Settlement Agreement. The
updates are preliminarily approved settlement terms that cannot be
appealed at this time.
See Grigson’s Response at 12-14; Hookses’ Response at 4-9.
In short, Grigson and the Hookses have no basis to argue, under De Los
Santos, Phillips, or any other Texas authority, that they can take an appeal from a
Preliminary Approval Order that effects no change to any aspect of the previously
certified classes. This Court therefore lacks appellate jurisdiction to and cannot
reach the merits of Grigson’s and the Hookses’ challenges to the terms of the
settlement until after a final judgment is signed. 19
III. A Stay of Class Notice Is Unwarranted and Would Be Unnecessary and
Unfair to the Other Class Members
A stay of the sending of class notice is not required or supported by any
legal, factual, or equitable basis, as demonstrated in the Appellees’ Joint Response
to Appellant Grigson’s Emergency Motion to Stay the Sending of Class Notice
(“Joint Response to Stay Motion”), which is incorporated here by reference.
certified class by an order increasing its size does not ‘certify or refuse to certify a class’ for
purposes of an interlocutory appeal.”).
19
In stark contrast to the evidence cited by the Settling Parties, Grigson and the Hookses cite no
evidence from the record to support any of their allegations. This utter lack of evidence is
particularly egregious given the severity of the baseless allegations they have lodged against the
district court, the mediator, and the Settling Parties and their counsel in this case.
17
First, in his Response, Grigson offers no legal authority for his argument
(which was not even raised in his Stay Motion) that class notice is somehow
automatically stayed in this case. Instead, as demonstrated above, because Grigson
has no basis for invoking the Court’s interlocutory appellate jurisdiction, he has no
basis for staying any proceeding in the district court—whether automatic or
discretionary.
Second, as refuted in the Joint Response to the Stay Motion, sending class
notice as currently scheduled would not notify the class “of a hearing that cannot
happen,” nor will it interfere with the appellate process. See Grigson’s Response at
14-15; Joint Response to Stay Motion at 3-5. There is no appellate jurisdiction to
be interfered with but, even if there were, no interference would occur. Under the
Preliminary Approval Order and the Class Notice in this case, staying class notice
is unnecessary even if the final hearing in this case cannot occur as scheduled
because both documents contemplate that possibility and inform potential class
members of it. Ex. 1 to Motion to Dismiss Grigson’s Appeal, at 9, ¶ 15; Ex. 1 to
Motion to Dismiss Grigson’s Appeal, at Ex. 1 (Class Notice), at 9 ¶ 21. The result
would therefore be the same as any other case where a hearing date needed to be
moved; there is nothing “absurd” about that common occurrence.
Third, Grigson’s claim that the Court should grant a stay in 2015 because it
granted a stay in 2003 is unavailing. In 2003, the appeal concerned the district
18
court’s express certification decision, and the primary issue before the Court then
was whether the State could bring and certify this class action at all. See Lubin,
222 S.W.3d at 420. Today’s circumstances are entirely different, particularly
given the long appellate history of this case, warranting a different result. The fact
that the district court’s class certification decision has already been the subject of a
full round of appellate review is a reason against staying notice now, not, as
Grigson seems to think, a reason in favor of yet further delay.
Finally, class notice will not impose any “irreparable” harm on class
members. See Grigson’s Response at 15-16. As well-chronicled in the annals of
this case, the district court performed the required analysis and scrutiny in 2003
when it certified the Settlement Classes in this case that, to this day, have remained
fundamentally the same. See Hookses’ Response at 8 (“[H]eightened scrutiny is
required to protect the absent class members. The trial court did this in 2003.”).
And as established with evidentiary support in the Joint Response to Stay Motion,
class notice will not be paid by “policyholders’ own money” and will not harm
policyholders who are class members in any way. Joint Response at Stay Motion,
at 6-7 & Exs. 1-3. Grigson, on the other hand, despite being apprised of the
Settling Parties’ arguments and presentation of evidence, has yet to produce any
evidence to support his conclusory allegation of harm.
19
It is instead Grigson’s and the Hookses’ improperly attempted interlocutory
appeals and Grigson’s Stay Motion that will harm the approximately 1.8 million
class members who have effectively been shut out of the settlement approval
process for the past 12 years. No more delay should be allowed. Grigson and the
Hookses had the full opportunity to participate in a full-blown preliminary
approval hearing (the second for the Hookses and Grigson’s counsel), and they
failed in their opposition—a failure that is not appealable. The other absent class
members are entitled to be informed of the preliminarily approved settlement as
soon as practicable.
CONCLUSION AND PRAYER
For these reasons and those stated in their Joint Motions to Dismiss for Lack
of Appellate Jurisdiction, the Settling Parties request that the Court: (i) expedite
consideration of their requests; (ii) grant the Appellees’ Joint Motions to Dismiss
Intervenors Grigson’s and the Hookses’ Appeals for Lack of Appellate
Jurisdiction; (iii) dismiss the two appeals; and (iv) grant such other and further
relief to which the Appellees are entitled.
20
Date: August 12, 2015 Respectfully submitted,
/s/ M. Scott Incerto
Marcy Hogan Greer
State Bar No. 08417650
mgreer@adjtlaw.com
ALEXANDER DUBOSE JEFFERSON & TOWNSEND LLP
515 Congress Avenue, Suite 2350
Austin, Texas 78701-3562
Telephone: (512) 482-9300
Facsimile: (512) 482-9303
M. Scott Incerto
State Bar No. 10388950
scott.incerto@nortonrosefulbright.com
NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT US LLP
98 San Jacinto Blvd., Suite 1100
Austin, Texas 78701
Telephone: 512-474-5201
Telecopier: 512-536-4598
Darryl W. Anderson
State Bar No. 24008694
darryl.anderson@nortonrosefulbright.com
Geraldine W. Young
State Bar No. 24084134
geraldine.young@nortonrosefulbright.com
NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT US LLP
1301 McKinney, Suite 5100
Houston, Texas 77010 3095
Telephone: 713 651 5151
Telecopier: 713 651 5246
ATTORNEYS FOR DEFENDANTS-APPELLEES FIRE
UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, FARMERS GROUP,
INC., FARMERS UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION,
FARMERS INSURANCE EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE
EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS INSURANCE COMPANY,
MID-CENTURY INSURANCE COMPANY OF TEXAS,
MID-CENTURY INSURANCE COMPANY, FARMERS
TEXAS COUNTY MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY,
TRUCK INSURANCE EXCHANGE, AND TRUCK
UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION
21
Respectfully submitted,
KEN PAXTON
Attorney General of Texas
CHARLES E. ROY
First Assistant Attorney General
JAMES E. DAVIS
Deputy Attorney General for Civil Litigation
ROBERT O’KEEFE
Division Chief
Financial Litigation, Tax, and Charitable Trusts Division
/s/ Joshua R. Godbey
JOSHUA R. GODBEY
Assistant Attorney General
LEAD ATTORNEY
State Bar No. 24049996
Telephone: (512) 475-4209
joshua.godbey@texasattorneygeneral.gov
RYAN S. MINDELL
Assistant Attorney General
State Bar No. 24089707
Telephone: (512) 936-1721
ryan.mindell@texasattorneygeneral.gov
JENNIFER S. JACKSON
Assistant Attorney General
State Bar No. 24060004
Telephone: (512) 463-9917
jennifer.jackson@texasattorneygeneral.gov
Financial Litigation, Tax, and Charitable Trusts Division
P.O. Box 12548
Austin, Texas 78711-2548
Fax: (512) 477-2348)
ATTORNEYS FOR PLAINTIFFS-APPELLEES, THE STATE
OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE,
AND THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF INSURANCE
22
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
On August 12, 2015, I electronically filed the Appellees’ Reply in Further
Support of Joint Motions to Dismiss Appellants Grigson’s and the Hookses’
Appeals for Lack of Appellate Jurisdiction with the Clerk of the Court using the
eFile.TXCourts.gov electronic filing system which will send notification of such
filing to the following (unless otherwise noted below).
Joe K. Longley Michael J. Woods
Philip K. Maxwell 8620 N. New Braunfels, Ste. 522
1609 Shoal Creek Blvd. # 100 San Antonio, TX 78217
Austin, TX 78701 MichaelJWoods@sbcglobal.net
Joe@JoeLongley.com
phil@philmaxwell.com Pro Se Intervenor/Objector
Counsel for Appellant Charles O.
“Chuck” Grigson
Joseph C. Blanks
P.O. Box 999
Doucette, TX 75942
blanxlex@gmail.com
Counsel for Appellants Gerald and
Lesly Hooks
/s/ M. Scott Incerto
M. Scott Incerto
23
CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE WITH TEX. R. APP. P. 9.4(i)
I certify that the foregoing document contains 6,966 words and complies
with the word limit set forth in Texas Rule of Appellate Procedure 9.4(i).
/s/ M. Scott Incerto
M. Scott Incerto
24
No. 03-15-00436-CV
In the Third Court of Appeals
Austin, Texas
CHARLES O. “CHUCK” GRIGSON,
GERALD HOOKS, AND LESLIE HOOKS,
Appellants,
v.
THE STATE OF TEXAS; THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF
INSURANCE; THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF INSURANCE;
and FARMERS GROUP, INC. ET AL.,
Appellees.
On Appeal from the 261st Judicial District Court
Travis County, Texas
Cause No. D-1-GV-02-002501
APPENDIX TO
APPELLEES’ REPLY IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF JOINT MOTIONS
TO DISMISS APPELLANTS GRIGSON’S AND THE HOOKSES’
APPEALS FOR LACK OF APPELLATE JURISDICTION
Exhibit 1 Transcript Excerpts from the September 4, 2014, Hearing on
Motions to Strike and Motion to Lift Stay on Discovery
Exhibit 2 Transcript Excerpts from the July 1, 2015, Hearing on Joint
Motion for Preliminary Approval
Exhibit 3 Transcript Excerpts from the April 29, 2014, Hearing on
Preliminary Approval
25
Exhibit 1
TO APPELLEES’ REPLY IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF
JOINT MOTIONS TO DISMISS APPELLANTS GRIGSON'S AND THE
HOOKSES' APPEALS FOR LACK OF APPELLATE JURISDICTION
1
1 REPORTER'S RECORD
VOLUME 1 OF 1 VOLUME
2 TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. D-1-GV-02-002501
3
STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS ) IN THE DISTRICT COURT
4 DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, )
AND THE TEXAS )
5 COMMISSIONER OF )
INSURANCE, )
6 Plaintiffs, )
)
7 VS. )
)
8 )
FARMERS GROUP, INC., )
9 FARMERS UNDERWRITERS ) TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS
ASSOCIATION, FIRE )
10 UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, )
FARMERS INSURANCE )
11 EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE )
EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS )
12 INSURANCE COMPANY, )
MID-CENTURY INSURANCE )
13 COMPANY OF TEXAS, AND )
FARMERS TEXAS COUNTY )
14 MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY, )
Defendants. ) 261ST JUDICIAL DISTRICT
15
-------------------------------------------------
16
HEARING ON MOTIONS TO STRIKE
17 AND MOTION TO LIFT STAY ON DISCOVERY
18 --------------------------------------------------
19 On the 4th day of September, 2014, the following
20 proceedings came on to be heard in the above-entitled
21 and numbered cause before the Honorable Scott H.
22 Jenkins, Judge presiding, held in Austin, Travis County,
23 Texas;
24 Proceedings reported by machine shorthand.
25
2
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
2
FOR THE PLAINTIFFS, THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS
3 DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, AND THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF
INSURANCE:
4
DAVID C. MATTAX
5 SBOT NO. 13201600
Deputy Attorney General for Defense Litigation
6 JOSHUA GODBEY
SBOT NO. 24049996
7 Assistant Attorney General
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
8 P.O. Box 12548
Austin, Texas 78711-2548
9 (512) 463-0150
10
11 FOR DEFENDANTS FIRE UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, FARMERS
GROUP, INC., FARMERS INSURANCE EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE
12 EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS INSURANCE COMPANY, MID-CENTURY
INSURANCE COMPANY OF TEXAS, MID-CENTURY INSURANCE
13 COMPANY, FARMERS TEXAS COUNTY MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY,
TRUCK INSURANCE EXCHANGE, AND TRUCK UNDERWRITERS
14 ASSOCIATION:
15 RICHARD N. CARRELL
SBOT NO. 03871000
16 LAYNE KRUSE
SBOT NO. 11742550
17 DARRYL ANDERSON
SBOT NO. 24008694
18 FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI
1301 McKinney, Suite 5100
19 Houston, Texas 77010-3095
(713) 651-5151
20
M. SCOTT INCERTO
21 SBOT NO. 10388950
FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI
22 98 San Jacinto Boulevard, Suite 1100
Austin, Texas 78701
23 (512) 474-5201
24
25
3
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
(CONTINUED)
2
3
MARCY HOGAN GREER
4 SBOT NO. 08417650
ALEXANDER, DUBOSE, JEFFERSON & TOWNSEND
5 515 Congress Avenue, Suite 2350
Austin, Texas 78701
6 (512) 482-9300
7
8 FOR INTERVENORS GERALD HOOKS AND LESLY HOOKS:
9
JOSEPH BLANKS
10 SBOT NO. 02456770
LAW OFFICE OF JOSEPH C. BLANKS
11 P.O. Box 999
Doucette, Texas 75942
12 (409) 837-9707
13
14 FOR INTERVENOR MICHAEL J. WOODS:
15 MICHAEL J. WOODS, PRO SE
8620 N. New Braunfels #522
16 San Antonio, Texas 78217
(210) 822-1560
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
4
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
(CONTINUED)
2
3
FOR INTERVENOR CHARLES O. "CHUCK" GRIGSON:
4
JOE K. LONGLEY
5 SBOT NO. 12542000
LAW OFFICE OF JOE K. LONGLEY
6 1609 Shoal Creek Boulevard, Suite 100
Austin, Texas 78701
7 (512) 477-4444
8 PHILIP K. MAXWELL
SBOT NO. 13254000
9 LAW OFFICE OF PHILIP K. MAXWELL
1609 Shoal Creek Boulevard, Suite 100
10 Austin, Texas 78701
(512) 947-5434
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
5
1 I N D E X
2 VOLUME 1
3 HEARING ON MOTIONS TO STRIKE
4 AND MOTION TO LIFT STAY ON DISCOVERY
5 SEPTEMBER 4, 2014
6
Page Vol.
7
Announcements............................ 8 1
8
9 MOTION TO STRIKE INTERVENTION OF WOODS
10 Argument by Mr. Incerto.................. 15 1
11 Argument by Mr. Woods.................... 25 1
12 Further Argument by Mr. Incerto.......... 29 1
13
MOTION TO STRIKE INTERVENTION OF GRIGSON
14
Argument by Mr. Incerto.................. 30 1
15
Argument by Mr. Longley.................. 39 1
16
Further Argument by Mr. Incerto.......... 54 1
17
18 Comments by Mr. Mattax................... 60 1
19 Court's Ruling........................... 73 1
20 Adjournment.............................. 101 1
21 Court Reporter's Certificate............. 102 1
22
23
24
25
55
1 judgment on the settlement that went up through appeals.
2 That has not occurred at this point. This language was
3 brought forward and, you know --
4 THE COURT: What am I to make of the
5 language farther up the page, though, that he didn't
6 cite, Farmers parties do not agree to certification of
7 the settlement classes for any purpose other than to
8 effectuate this settlement agreement?
9 Well, I haven't approved this settlement
10 agreement. In fact, I rejected it. So you are now in a
11 posture where you don't agree with the class action.
12 And in fact, you were the party who wanted the class
13 action 12 years ago. So it seems to me we're back at
14 square one with no settlement agreement, no certified
15 class, because no party -- I mean, you were the party
16 who asked for it, and now you don't agree to it,
17 according to your own signed document, and the State
18 really wasn't the one who asked for it to begin with.
19 So what am I to make of all that?
20 MR. INCERTO: Well, I have to respectfully
21 disagree with the Court's analysis on that. I think we
22 do have a class action. I believe it's law in the case
23 from the Supreme Court. I believe that this particular
24 provision --
25 THE COURT: Well, then is this just
56
1 gratuitous? You put it in this -- this is the one you
2 signed, and you put it as part of your motion filed in
3 August of 2013 that you wanted me to read and consider
4 to approve the settlement and to approve -- well, to
5 approve the settlement, get preliminary approval. Now
6 that I have declined to do that, I mean, this is the
7 language that you kept in there. And you obviously gave
8 it a lot of attention because I looked at the changes
9 you made.
10 MR. INCERTO: Your Honor, we tried to
11 change as little as possible and carried forward
12 everything from the prior agreement except what
13 absolutely needed to be changed because of I said the
14 problem with the credit notice -- credit reports not
15 being --
16 THE COURT: Well, does that mean if I
17 decline to approve a settlement, this settlement, and
18 you're now going to litigate it -- because I went back
19 and read what now Justice Boyd said at the time when he
20 was a witness, we'll have to decide how to structure
21 this trial in this case. In other words, you are
22 agreeing to a class action trial or not?
23 MR. INCERTO: No, Your Honor. We agreed
24 for purposes of this settlement agreement --
25 THE COURT: Exactly.
57
1 MR. INCERTO: -- if this Court denies the
2 preliminary approval.
3 THE COURT: Exactly. Since I've denied
4 it, it seems to me now there's no agreement. I've got
5 the State who didn't want to do it -- didn't ask to do
6 it to begin with, Farmers who wanted to do it because
7 they wanted to effectuate a settlement, and now the
8 Court has declined to approve the settlement. I'm just
9 thinking that that language is significant. You don't
10 think that it is, apparently.
11 MR. INCERTO: Your Honor, I don't think
12 the Court has denied preliminary approval. There's no
13 order denying preliminary approval of the current
14 settlement agreement. The Court has expressed some
15 concerns and some issues --
16 THE COURT: Well, actually, that's what we
17 started off with at this hearing. I thought I was
18 pretty clear on April 29th I'm declining to approve the
19 second amended settlement agreement. I thought that was
20 pretty clear, and I thought that you and I had that sort
21 of meeting of the minds at the beginning of this
22 hearing, but I guess if I wasn't clear, I'm hopefully
23 clear now. So what does that mean?
24 MR. INCERTO: Well, Your Honor, what it
25 means is we've got -- we've -- the parties have been
58
1 working on a settlement agreement that we believe
2 addresses the issues that the Court has outlined.
3 THE COURT: And that's because you knew I
4 was refusing to approve this and so you worked on a new
5 one. You've been working since then on a new one.
6 MR. INCERTO: We've been working on a new
7 one.
8 THE COURT: And that makes perfect sense.
9 I thought you would. And so it comes back to this line
10 here, since I did not approve -- effectuate this
11 settlement agreement, I didn't approve it -- I guess
12 you're saying we're still trying to effectuate it. This
13 will be the third amended, and therefore, that's sort of
14 a continuation of our effort, and as long as we can
15 enter into a settlement agreement, we're still agreeing
16 to class action, but in no other circumstances.
17 MR. INCERTO: That's correct.
18 THE COURT: All right. I get it.
19 MR. INCERTO: Your Honor, let me address
20 some of the other arguments that were made and starting
21 with this one. Mr. Grigson wants to talk about investor
22 meetings and who's going to pay. It's simply like I
23 said in my opening remarks. They want to talk about the
24 merits of the issues they raise before they establish --
25 and frankly in lieu of establishing that they have a
102
1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
2
3 THE STATE OF TEXAS )
4 COUNTY OF TRAVIS )
5 I, Chavela V. Crain, Official Court
6 Reporter in and for the 53rd District Court of Travis
7 County, State of Texas, do hereby certify that the above
8 and foregoing contains a true and correct transcription
9 of all portions of evidence and other proceedings
10 requested in writing by counsel for the parties to be
11 included in this volume of the Reporter's Record, in the
12 above-styled and numbered cause, all of which occurred
13 in open court or in chambers and were reported by me.
14 I further certify that this Reporter's Record of
15 the proceedings truly and correctly reflects the
16 exhibits, if any, offered in evidence by the respective
17 parties.
18 WITNESS MY OFFICIAL HAND this the 10th day of
19 September, 2014.
20
/s/ Chavela V. Crain
21 Chavela V. Crain
Texas CSR 3064, RMR, CRR
22 Expiration Date: 12/31/2015
Official Court Reporter
23 53rd District Court
Travis County, Texas
24 P.O. Box 1748
Austin, Texas 78767
25 (512) 854-9322
*
Exhibit 2
TO APPELLEES’ REPLY IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF
JOINT MOTIONS TO DISMISS APPELLANTS GRIGSON'S AND THE
HOOKSES' APPEALS FOR LACK OF APPELLATE JURISDICTION
1
1 REPORTER'S RECORD
VOLUME 1 OF 2 VOLUMES
2 TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. D-1-GV-02-002501
3 STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS ) IN THE DISTRICT COURT
DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, )
4 AND THE TEXAS )
COMMISSIONER OF )
5 INSURANCE, )
Plaintiffs, )
6 )
VS. )
7 )
)
8 FARMERS GROUP, INC., )
FARMERS UNDERWRITERS ) TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS
9 ASSOCIATION, FIRE )
UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, )
10 FARMERS INSURANCE )
EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE )
11 EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS )
INSURANCE COMPANY, )
12 MID-CENTURY INSURANCE )
COMPANY OF TEXAS, AND )
13 FARMERS TEXAS COUNTY )
MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY, )
14 Defendants. ) 261ST JUDICIAL DISTRICT
15 -------------------------------------------------
16
HEARING ON JOINT MOTION FOR
17 PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF SECOND AMENDED
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
18
19 --------------------------------------------------
20 On the 1st day of July, 2015, the following
21 proceedings came on to be heard in the above-entitled
22 and numbered cause before the Honorable Scott H.
23 Jenkins, Judge presiding, held in Austin, Travis County,
24 Texas;
25 Proceedings reported by machine shorthand.
2
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
2
FOR THE PLAINTIFFS, THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS
3 DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, AND THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF
INSURANCE:
4
JOSHUA GODBEY
5 SBOT NO. 24049996
RYAN MINDELL
6 SBOT NO. 24089707
JENNIFER JACKSON
7 SBOT NO. 24060004
Assistant Attorney General
8 OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
P.O. Box 12548
9 Austin, Texas 78711-2548
(512) 475-4209
10
11
FOR DEFENDANTS FIRE UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, FARMERS
12 GROUP, INC., FARMERS INSURANCE EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE
EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS INSURANCE COMPANY, MID-CENTURY
13 INSURANCE COMPANY OF TEXAS, MID-CENTURY INSURANCE
COMPANY, FARMERS TEXAS COUNTY MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY,
14 TRUCK INSURANCE EXCHANGE, AND TRUCK UNDERWRITERS
ASSOCIATION:
15
M. SCOTT INCERTO
16 SBOT NO. 10388950
NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT
17 98 San Jacinto Boulevard, Suite 1100
Austin, Texas 78701
18 (512) 474-5201
19 DARRYL ANDERSON
SBOT NO. 24008694
20 NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT
1301 McKinney, Suite 5100
21 Houston, Texas 77010-3095
(713) 651-5151
22
MARCY HOGAN GREER
23 SBOT NO. 08417650
ALEXANDER, DUBOSE, JEFFERSON & TOWNSEND
24 515 Congress Avenue, Suite 2350
Austin, Texas 78701
25 (512) 482-9300
3
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
(CONTINUED)
2
3
FOR INTERVENORS GERALD HOOKS AND LESLY HOOKS:
4
JOSEPH BLANKS
5 SBOT NO. 02456770
LAW OFFICE OF JOSEPH C. BLANKS
6 P.O. Box 999
Doucette, Texas 75942
7 (409) 837-9707
8
9 FOR INTERVENOR MICHAEL J. WOODS:
10 MICHAEL J. WOODS, PRO SE
8620 N. New Braunfels #522
11 San Antonio, Texas 78217
(210) 822-1560
12
13
FOR INTERVENOR CHARLES O. "CHUCK" GRIGSON:
14
JOE K. LONGLEY
15 SBOT NO. 12542000
LAW OFFICE OF JOE K. LONGLEY
16 1609 Shoal Creek Boulevard, Suite 100
Austin, Texas 78701
17 (512) 477-4444
18 PHILIP K. MAXWELL
SBOT NO. 13254000
19 LAW OFFICE OF PHILIP K. MAXWELL
1609 Shoal Creek Boulevard, Suite 100
20 Austin, Texas 78701
(512) 947-5434
21
22
23
24
25
4
1 I N D E X
2 VOLUME 1
3
HEARING ON JOINT MOTION FOR
4 PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF SECOND AMENDED
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
5
JULY 1, 2015
6
7 Page Vol.
8 Announcements............................ 25 1
9
INTERVENOR GRIGSON'S WITNESSES
10
Direct Cross Vol.
11
PATRICK KEEL
12 By Mr. Maxwell 33 1
13 Page Vol.
14 Opening Statement by Mr. Godbey.......... 60 1
15 Opening Statement by Mr. Woods........... 78 1
16
PLAINTIFF STATE'S WITNESSES
17
Direct Cross Vol.
18
DAVID MATTAX
19 By Mr. Godbey 83 1
By Mr. Incerto 99 1
20 By Mr. Longley 106 1
21
22
23
24
25
5
1 I N D E X
VOLUME 1 - CONTINUED
2
HEARING ON JOINT MOTION FOR
3 PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF SECOND AMENDED
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
4
JULY 1, 2015
5
6 DEFENDANT FARMERS' WITNESSES
7 Direct Cross Vol.
8 SHANNON WHEATMAN
By Ms. Greer 160 1
9 By Mr. Maxwell 174 1
By Mr. Blanks 189 1
10 By Ms. Greer 200 1
By Mr. Maxwell 202 1
11 By Mr. Blanks 217 1
12
13 PLAINTIFF STATE'S WITNESSES
14 Direct Cross Vol.
15 DAVID MATTAX (CONTINUED)
By Mr. Longley 219 1
16 By Mr. Blanks 252 1
By Mr. Woods 266 1
17 By Mr. Incerto 283 1
By Mr. Longley 290 1
18 By Mr. Woods 295 1
19
Page Vol.
20
Adjournment............................... 300 1
21
Court Reporter's Certificate.............. 301 1
22
23
24
25
59
1 he may have had information he learned about this case,
2 you may. I mean, I don't know.
3 Q. (BY MR. MAXWELL) Did you have any other
4 communication in which you learned things about this
5 case?
6 A. When?
7 Q. At any time.
8 A. I read about the case in the newspaper about
9 ten years ago, as I recall.
10 Q. All right. Nothing else?
11 A. Not to my recollection.
12 Q. You've read of Judge Jenkins' recollection of
13 this conversation as contained in the transcripts,
14 haven't you?
15 A. I have.
16 Q. And do you agree with those?
17 A. I do.
18 Q. All right. Well, just housekeeping,
19 Mr. Longley never gave you any authority to contact the
20 Court, did he?
21 A. Mr. Longley didn't participate in the
22 mediation, so no, he did not.
23 Q. All right. And you realize that it was an
24 ex parte contact?
25 THE COURT: I'm sorry. I couldn't --
60
1 Q. (BY MR. MAXWELL) You realize it was an
2 ex parte contact with the Court, correct?
3 A. Mr. Maxwell, I don't agree with that. I do not
4 believe it is an ex parte communication when a party
5 chooses not to participate in a mediation and the
6 mediator gets the permission of the parties who do
7 participate to communicate with the Court. It never
8 occurred to me that that would be considered ex parte.
9 Q. Well, you have read the motion with regard to
10 having you testify, correct? In other words, my
11 response to the motion to quash, you've seen that,
12 haven't you?
13 A. I have.
14 Q. And you have seen the revisions that I have
15 quoted in the material?
16 A. I have.
17 Q. And that anything -- that any communication
18 with the Court where not all parties to the court
19 proceedings are present is an ex parte contact; you
20 understand that, don't you?
21 A. I do understand your argument.
22 Q. Well, the mediation statute doesn't talk about
23 ex parte, does it?
24 A. I don't believe the term ex parte appears in
25 the statute.
71
1 THE REPORTER: Getting this deal what?
2 MR. GODBEY: Getting this deal forward.
3 Sorry. When the mold acts up --
4 THE COURT: Just keep the pace slow and it
5 solves everything.
6 MR. GODBEY: Exactly, Your Honor.
7 Your Honor, Highland Homes isn't controlling on the
8 decision to preliminarily approve this settlement in
9 this case either. Highland Homes very clearly -- the
10 decision in Highland Homes very clearly says at the
11 beginning of the discussion that in that case the
12 Unclaimed Property Act does not apply in that
13 circumstance. And to be clear, the circumstance of the
14 settlement in the Highland Homes case involved a
15 settlement with checks that would go out. The checks
16 were valid for 90 days at which point they become void
17 and then they would be cy pres to The Nature
18 Conservancy.
19 So in the Highland Homes case they never
20 had to address Chapter 73 of the Property Code, which is
21 money that's held by financial institutions, because in
22 the Highland Homes case it was held by financial
23 institutions for 90 days and then it went out in cy pres
24 to The Nature Conservancy.
25 In our case we have no such provision that
72
1 voids out the checks or any such provision that
2 transfers money cy pres to a charitable institution. So
3 Chapter 73 of the Property Code becomes operative in our
4 case where it was not operative in the Highland Homes
5 decision.
6 The money will be transferred to the
7 settlement administrator. The settlement administrator
8 will, of course, put that money in their bank and checks
9 will be sent out. Those checks will be good. The
10 settlement money will remain in the bank account and at
11 which point Chapter 73.002 and 73.102 of the Property
12 Code become operative. The bank will be a depository
13 under 002 of that statute, which means they are subject
14 to the Unclaimed Property Act. And 102 provides the
15 checks that are cut that have not been cashed for three
16 years are presumed abandoned under the Unclaimed
17 Property Act. That's the difference between us and the
18 Highland Homes decision, because these checks will live
19 out there for three years, which will allow them to
20 become presumed abandoned by the Unclaimed Property Act
21 and delivered to the comptroller so that they can then
22 be claimed by absent class members down the road.
23 Furthermore, Highland Homes is really
24 fundamentally about the discretion of the class
25 representatives and the class counsel to make decisions
73
1 that they feel are in the best interest of the class as
2 a whole. And what we feel is in the best interest of
3 the class as a whole, it's the same thing that we felt
4 in 2003 when the provision -- the unclaimed property
5 provision was put in the settlement agreement. It was
6 never objected to at the time as being in any way unfair
7 to the class members. We feel the Unclaimed Property
8 Act is the best.
9 A narrow reading of the Highland Homes
10 decision that's being advanced by the intervenors in
11 this case would allow for a class action structure where
12 you could never return funds to absent class members who
13 don't request those funds in a very narrow window like
14 the 90-day window. You would be forced under that
15 decision to either cy pres the funds, which would not
16 benefit absent class members who don't fall into that
17 narrow window, or the settling parties would be forced
18 to pro rata out the funds to the class members who do
19 make claims or are easily found, which, of course, would
20 harm absent class members and could also, depending on
21 the structure of the settlement, prove to be a windfall
22 for those class members who do assert claims or do have
23 current addresses. The other option would be to revert
24 the money back to the party defendant, which as
25 Your Honor well knows is highly disfavored in class
74
1 action jurisprudence and really what is -- the argument
2 that has been --
3 THE COURT: You were here yesterday in
4 yesterday's hearing.
5 MR. GODBEY: Yes, Your Honor.
6 THE COURT: You heard that Mr. Maxwell was
7 suggesting that very thing. I believe that's what he
8 was suggesting. He'll let us know in a minute. Just
9 leave the money in the Exchanges. Did you hear that?
10 MR. GODBEY: I did, Your Honor.
11 THE COURT: Okay. That's where you're
12 going now. I thought you might.
13 MR. GODBEY: Yes, Your Honor. And so not
14 only is that reverting money to a party defendant, which
15 is highly disfavored, but it also does not benefit the
16 class as a whole. As has been argued, the class -- the
17 members of the class are not all current Farmers
18 policyholders anymore just by the passage of time.
19 THE COURT: He was suggesting I think
20 yesterday that they hold the money and just keep paying
21 it out over time whenever these claimants appear years
22 later, "I would like my money now, Exchange; please pay
23 me," I guess. That seems to be what he was saying
24 yesterday, but it was -- it was somewhat cryptic, but
25 that seemed to be the suggestion. Did you pick up on
94
1 Commissioner Karina Casari's testimony, they were
2 actually claiming --
3 THE COURT: Slow that down a little bit.
4 Deputy Commissioner --
5 THE WITNESS: Oh, I'm sorry. Deputy
6 Commissioner Karina, K-a-r-i-n-a, Casari,
7 K[sic]-a-s-a-r-i.
8 I did go back and read her testimony in
9 preparation for this hearing, and she reminded me that
10 at the time Farmers was claiming that this was a
11 politically charged trumped-up lawsuit at the time that
12 had no basis in law or fact. And so I think the fact
13 that we were able to, through some very difficult
14 negotiations in 2002, provide a lot of relief to the
15 Farmers policyholders, I think it was a great result
16 then, and I think it's even a better result now.
17 Q. (BY MR. GODBEY) Commissioner, regarding the
18 disposition of unclaimed funds under the settlement
19 agreement, do you think that it would be fair to class
20 members to put those unclaimed funds back into the
21 Farmers Exchanges?
22 A. No. Let me, if I may -- and I think it may
23 come up at a later date. But I recently entered into a
24 settlement agreement with State Farm, and there was a
25 provision in that agreement that any unclaimed proceeds
95
1 from that settlement were paid to the unclaimed property
2 fund. Let me explain why. The position of the
3 Department of Insurance is when a premium is overcharged
4 to a policyholder, then the company that collects that
5 excessive premium must return that to the policyholders.
6 And if the policyholders for whatever reason don't
7 collect it, it should go to the unclaimed property
8 fund --
9 THE REPORTER: I'm sorry. Don't collect
10 it?
11 THE WITNESS: Don't collect -- if the
12 policyholders --
13 THE COURT: For whatever reason don't
14 collect it is what he said.
15 THE WITNESS: Yes. Thank you. For
16 whatever reason don't collect that, then it's placed in
17 the unclaimed property fund to be held in perpetuity for
18 those policyholders. That has been the position of the
19 Department of Insurance in the past. That was the
20 position in that settlement. And until last year it had
21 been the position of the attorney general in all class
22 action settlements that the money should go into the
23 Unclaimed Property Act.
24 And so I think that it's the fairest thing
25 to do here, because, frankly, if you just return it to
96
1 surplus, it's not going to do anything. It's just going
2 to sit there. And so to sort of do what the Court did
3 in the Highland Homes case and basically have this Court
4 decide to extinguish the rights of those policyholders I
5 think is the wrong approach.
6 Now, Highland Homes did say that the class
7 action counsel has the authority to extinguish the
8 rights of absent class members, and therefore, the
9 attorney general has the authority to do that here,
10 extinguish their rights and give the money somewhere
11 else, but I would disagree with that.
12 THE COURT: The court reporter's been
13 going -- we all have -- close to an hour and a half now.
14 If you need to ask another question or two to close a
15 topic that's okay, but we're going to need to break
16 soon. Is this a good break time or do you need to cover
17 anything else?
18 MR. GODBEY: Your Honor, I estimate I
19 probably only have five minutes left with Commissioner
20 Mattax. I would be happy to break now if that works
21 best for everyone, but if you'd rather that I break when
22 I pass --
23 THE COURT: I don't want you to feel
24 rushed. Five minutes comes and goes pretty quickly.
25 THE WITNESS: I would just -- let's all
137
1 A. Correct.
2 Q. And the checks that come back, those are the
3 checks that are in play whether they stay with the
4 Exchanges or do they go to the unclaimed property
5 section of the comptroller's office?
6 A. Or go to a charity.
7 Q. Or to a charity. And y'all have chosen, at
8 least throughout this settlement, that it goes to the
9 comptroller's office.
10 A. It goes to the unclaimed property fund because
11 we think that historically has been the best way to get
12 the money back to the rightful owner. We do not agree
13 that sending it back to the defendant is a good idea,
14 nor do we think -- although the Highland Homes court did
15 say it was okay for class counsel to give it -- to
16 extinguish those rights and give it to a charity, we
17 think it better not to extinguish these people's rights
18 to their money and enable them to get it later through
19 the programs the comptroller has to find these folks on
20 their website. That's the appropriate way to do it.
21 If you have $500 in a bank account you
22 forgot about, the bank doesn't get to keep it to make
23 money on it. The bank turns that over to the unclaimed
24 property fund so that you may have access to get it
25 later. So to me, as commissioner of insurance, it's
138
1 more appropriate to use the structure that the State has
2 set up for people to get their money than to extinguish
3 their rights, and I think that can be done under
4 Highland Homes.
5 Q. But the money has never left the Exchanges, has
6 it? They're not getting it back. It's never left if
7 you leave it there. Am I right?
8 A. I hope it leaves, because I hope the
9 policyholders get paid someday.
10 Q. Well, what I'm saying, though, is the money
11 hasn't left if the checks haven't been cashed?
12 A. The money then would be -- if after three years
13 the checks remain uncashed, then the money is turned
14 over to the comptroller, so the comptroller then has it
15 as unclaimed property. And pursuant to all the rules of
16 unclaimed property, they retain that in perpetuity for
17 the rightful owners of the property.
18 And I think what we disagree on is who is
19 the rightful owner of this property. And the rightful
20 owner of the property is the people who paid too much in
21 premiums, not future policyholders of Farmers, not a
22 charity. It's the owners of the property. And the
23 unclaimed property fund is the vehicle the State uses to
24 hold forever their rights. I am not in favor of
25 extinguishing their rights, which is what you're asking
233
1 to get new lawyers, I'd already have a deal for those
2 lawyers to look at, so I would have streamlined this
3 process. That's the point of it.
4 Q. So your assumption was that the
5 disqualification of the lawyers would not change the
6 dynamics of the settlement that you were wed to?
7 A. That's true. I don't think it would have.
8 Q. Thank you.
9 THE COURT: Is this a good break time?
10 All right. We'll go ahead and break now. Let me tally
11 up your time so you'll know how much you've used.
12 You may step down if you wish.
13 The intervenors have used two hours and
14 49 minutes. The State and Farmers collectively have
15 used an hour and 12 minutes. I'll see you back in about
16 15 minutes, maybe 20. It depends on how much I'm going
17 to find in my office on other matters that I need to
18 juggle.
19 (Recess taken)
20 THE COURT: You may resume.
21 Q. (BY MR. LONGLEY) Mr. Mattax, I thought I heard
22 State's counsel say in opening that the Highland Home --
23 you're familiar with Highland Homes, are you not?
24 A. I read it a couple days ago.
25 Q. Okay. I thought I saw your name on some of the
234
1 briefs in that. Were you actually on the briefs?
2 A. I could have been, because either I would have
3 been the division chief at the time of the briefing or
4 the deputy attorney general for litigation, but I didn't
5 read any of the underlying briefs.
6 Q. But the State in that case was against
7 Fulbright & Jaworski as well as Alexander DuBose,
8 correct?
9 A. They were wrong, but the Supreme Court
10 disagreed.
11 Q. So that didn't come out in your favor, but I
12 thought I heard your counsel say that the Highland Homes
13 case does not apply to this settlement. Did I hear that
14 correctly?
15 A. That's correct.
16 Q. And can you tell me why?
17 A. Yeah. It's rather complicated, but let me -- I
18 did read the case in anticipation of getting that
19 question. So what the Court in Highland Homes said was
20 when a class is certified, the class representative
21 makes a claim for whatever is at issue in that case.
22 And therefore, when the class counsel makes -- or the
23 class representative makes the claim, there is no
24 unclaimed property. Hence, if the class counsel wants
25 to release or extinguish the rights of class members who
235
1 didn't get their money, he had the right to do that.
2 And in that case, the decision was made that any checks
3 that weren't cashed would go to, I guess, The Wildlife
4 Conservancy or something like that.
5 THE COURT: The Nature Conservancy.
6 THE WITNESS: Nature. Thank you. Thank
7 you, Your Honor. The Nature Conservancy.
8 So what that means to me is this, is that
9 when you are a class action counsel, you no longer have
10 to follow a case. But frankly, my division tried in
11 1995 the Snell case which said that the Unclaimed
12 Property Act prevented class counsel from extinguishing
13 the rights of class members. The Supreme Court has now
14 said they can extinguish the class rights if they want
15 to. In this settlement class counsel has chosen not to
16 extinguish the rights of the policyholders.
17 So what does that mean? What that means
18 is a check will be sent to all the policyholders as has
19 been discussed, and if that check remains uncashed, then
20 there is no provision for those rights to be terminated.
21 That payment will always -- that policyholder will
22 always be able to claim that payment from the claims
23 administrator.
24 So what you have there is a situation,
25 which I think Mr. Godbey was alluding to -- you now have
236
1 a situation where the agreement has the claims
2 administrator/Farmers holding that check in perpetuity
3 for the rightful owner. Much as if I had $200 in a
4 bank, the fact that I haven't done anything with that
5 bank doesn't mean they can spend it. They still have to
6 hold it for me in perpetuity. And what the State has
7 done through the Unclaimed Property Act is allow
8 situations like that where banks are holding unclaimed
9 property to give it to the unclaimed property fund, and
10 then they would hold it in perpetuity.
11 So that's the distinction that I believe
12 class counsel is making in this case, and I believe that
13 is consistent with what's going on in the Highland
14 Homes, because the decision to extinguish the rights or
15 not extinguish the rights rests with class counsel. And
16 if that decision isn't made, then after three years the
17 money would go into the unclaimed property fund. That's
18 the way I interpret it.
19 Q. (BY MR. LONGLEY) Okay. And so on any check
20 that's not cashed, that money is still not gone. It's
21 still being held by the administrator; is that what you
22 said?
23 A. The admin -- well, I think the money is being
24 held by the -- by Farmers.
25 Q. Right.
301
1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
2
3 THE STATE OF TEXAS )
4 COUNTY OF TRAVIS )
5 I, Chavela V. Crain, Official Court
6 Reporter in and for the 53rd District Court of Travis
7 County, State of Texas, do hereby certify that the above
8 and foregoing contains a true and correct transcription
9 of all portions of evidence and other proceedings
10 requested in writing by counsel for the parties to be
11 included in this volume of the Reporter's Record, in the
12 above-styled and numbered cause, all of which occurred
13 in open court or in chambers and were reported by me.
14 I further certify that this Reporter's Record of
15 the proceedings truly and correctly reflects the
16 exhibits, if any, offered in evidence by the respective
17 parties.
18 WITNESS MY OFFICIAL HAND this the 13th day of July,
19 2015.
20
/s/ Chavela V. Crain
21 Chavela V. Crain
Texas CSR 3064, RMR, CRR
22 Expiration Date: 12/31/2015
Official Court Reporter
23 53rd District Court
Travis County, Texas
24 P.O. Box 1748
Austin, Texas 78767
25 (512) 854-9322
*
Exhibit 3
TO APPELLEES’ REPLY IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF
JOINT MOTIONS TO DISMISS APPELLANTS GRIGSON'S AND THE
HOOKSES' APPEALS FOR LACK OF APPELLATE JURISDICTION
1
1 REPORTER'S RECORD
VOLUME 1 OF 1 VOLUME
2 TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. D-1-GV-02-002501
3
STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS ) IN THE DISTRICT COURT
4 DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, )
AND THE TEXAS )
5 COMMISSIONER OF )
INSURANCE, )
6 Plaintiffs, )
)
7 VS. )
)
8 )
FARMERS GROUP, INC., )
9 FARMERS UNDERWRITERS ) TRAVIS COUNTY, TEXAS
ASSOCIATION, FIRE )
10 UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, )
FARMERS INSURANCE )
11 EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE )
EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS )
12 INSURANCE COMPANY, )
MID-CENTURY INSURANCE )
13 COMPANY OF TEXAS, AND )
FARMERS TEXAS COUNTY )
14 MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY, )
Defendants. ) 261ST JUDICIAL DISTRICT
15
-------------------------------------------------
16
HEARING ON JOINT MOTION FOR
17 PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF
THE SECOND AMENDED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
18 AND STIPULATION OF CLASS NOTICE
19 --------------------------------------------------
20 On the 29th day of April, 2014, the following
21 proceedings came on to be heard in the above-entitled
22 and numbered cause before the Honorable Scott H.
23 Jenkins, Judge presiding, held in Austin, Travis County,
24 Texas;
25 Proceedings reported by machine shorthand.
2
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
2
FOR THE PLAINTIFFS, THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS
3 DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, AND THE TEXAS COMMISSIONER OF
INSURANCE:
4
DAVID C. MATTAX
5 SBOT NO. 13201600
Deputy Attorney General for Defense Litigation
6 JOSHUA GODBEY
SBOT NO. 24049996
7 Assistant Attorney General
JAMES R. WENZEL
8 SBOT NO. 21179370
Assistant Attorney General, Consumer Protection
9 OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
P.O. Box 12548
10 Austin, Texas 78711-2548
(512) 463-0150
11
12
FOR DEFENDANTS FIRE UNDERWRITERS ASSOCIATION, FARMERS
13 GROUP, INC., FARMERS INSURANCE EXCHANGE, FIRE INSURANCE
EXCHANGE, TEXAS FARMERS INSURANCE COMPANY, MID-CENTURY
14 INSURANCE COMPANY OF TEXAS, MID-CENTURY INSURANCE
COMPANY, FARMERS TEXAS COUNTY MUTUAL INSURANCE COMPANY,
15 TRUCK INSURANCE EXCHANGE, AND TRUCK UNDERWRITERS
ASSOCIATION:
16
RICHARD N. CARRELL
17 SBOT NO. 03871000
LAYNE KRUSE
18 SBOT NO. 11742550
FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI
19 1301 McKinney, Suite 5100
Houston, Texas 77010-3095
20 (713) 651-5151
21 M. SCOTT INCERTO
SBOT NO. 10388950
22 FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI
98 San Jacinto Boulevard, Suite 1100
23 Austin, Texas 78701
(512) 474-5201
24
25
3
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
(CONTINUED)
2
3
MARCY HOGAN GREER
4 SBOT NO. 08417650
ALEXANDER, DUBOSE, JEFFERSON & TOWNSEND
5 515 Congress Avenue, Suite 2350
Austin, Texas 78701
6 (512) 482-9300
7
8 FOR INTERVENORS GERALD HOOKS AND LESLY HOOKS:
9
JOSEPH BLANKS
10 SBOT NO. 02456770
LAW OFFICE OF JOSEPH C. BLANKS
11 P.O. Box 999
Doucette, Texas 75942
12 (409) 837-9707
13
14 FOR INTERVENORS RODOLFO AND ANNA VELA:
15 RODOLFO VELA, SR., PRO SE
1001 Coffeyville Trail
16 Grand Prairie, Texas 75052
(972) 639-2487
17
18
FOR INTERVENOR MICHAEL J. WOODS:
19
MICHAEL J. WOODS, PRO SE
20 8620 N. New Braunfels #522
San Antonio, Texas 78217
21 (210) 822-1560
22
23
24
25
4
1 A P P E A R A N C E S
(CONTINUED)
2
3
FOR INTERVENOR CHARLES O. "CHUCK" GRIGSON:
4
JOE K. LONGLEY
5 SBOT NO. 12542000
LAW OFFICE OF JOE K. LONGLEY
6 1609 Shoal Creek Boulevard, Suite 100
Austin, Texas 78701
7 (512) 477-4444
8 PHILIP K. MAXWELL
SBOT NO. 13254000
9 LAW OFFICE OF PHILIP K. MAXWELL
1609 Shoal Creek Boulevard, Suite 100
10 Austin, Texas 78701
(512) 947-5434
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
5
1 I N D E X
2 VOLUME 1
3 HEARING ON JOINT MOTION FOR
4 PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF
5 THE SECOND AMENDED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
6 AND STIPULATION OF CLASS NOTICE APRIL 29, 2014
7
Page Vol.
8
Announcements.......................... 7 1
9
Argument by Mr. Mattax................. 21 1
10
Argument by Mr. Carrell................ 66 1
11
Argument by Mr. Blanks................. 95 1
12
13
INTERVENOR HOOKS WITNESSES
14
Direct Cross Vol.
15
DAN ROSENTHAL
16 By Mr. Blanks 107 1
By Ms. Greer 120 1
17
18 Page Vol.
19 Adjournment.............................. 142 1
20 Court Reporter's Certificate............. 143 1
21
22
23
24
25
102
MR. BLANKS: Right.
THE COURT: But in terms of composing the
class, people who bought HOA policies and who allegedly
were overcharged for that are the rate class, right?
MR. BLANKS: Well --
THE COURT: We know what the discount
class is. We know what the credit class is. And why
would we -- other than carving out Geter, why would we
go back and have to litigate that all over again because
those people are still those people who were affected by
that?
MR. BLANKS: Well, Mr. Mattax said that
the settlement hadn't been modified, the class hadn't
been modified, but I say the class has modified itself.
In 11 years, probably 10 percent or so of those people
have died. Another 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 percent have
divorced.
THE COURT: Well, the people you say who
fall within the retrospective rate -- let's talk about
the first class, the rate class. That's simple; can you
agree? So you're saying in the retrospective rate
compensation group, something you already heard me
concerned about there being no interest -- I'm not so
concerned about no interest for the first couple years
when everybody would have thought we might have finished
103
this, but no interest for a decade is concerning me, as
you know. But we want to finish this settlement -- or
they want to finish this settlement and compensate those
people. And you're saying, well, some of them have
died. Well, then it would go to their estate. Some of
them are divorced. Well, it would be part of the
marital estate. Hopefully it was accounted for, but
maybe not. Maybe they didn't even know it was in their
marital estate because they didn't know about the class.
So that's going to be very interesting.
I can't imagine -- I can't -- in my
14 years, I don't think I've dealt with that where we
didn't know that was in the estate. But, I mean, those
things can be accounted for. It's still, though, the
people who were the HOA people. So I'm not
understanding you is what I'm saying. That's still that
same group of people. Whether they died or divorced or
remarried or whatever, it's still the same group of
people.
MR. BLANKS: Well, in the abstract, the
definition is still the same definition --
THE COURT: Yes.
MR. BLANKS: -- and you define the same
class, but I'm just saying the makeup of the class has
drastically changed. I don't know how the advocates
104
deal with it. I assume that they can, but it's
definitely a different class. And how you define the
class today perhaps should be changed too.
THE COURT: Well, how -- I will need a
written definition from you assuming that -- and you
have to understand that I -- I was satisfied that they
met the class requirements that the attorney general is
required to meet. There was some argument about whether
adequacy of representation is one. I thought it was
because it was an argument of collusion that they
couldn't adequately represent. But we did all of that.
We did all of the standards for class certification. I
don't want to redo them.
MR. BLANKS: I appreciate that.
THE COURT: So what I need from you is
evidence that shows me that I have to revise in some way
this class, which I've already decided is worthy of
being a class, and I'm not going to go backwards on
that, and carving out Geter, which I know you embrace,
and some other tweaking of the settlement before I can
embrace its possible fairness, and you already heard
those rhetorical questions. So I will need from you
evidence about how it is I'm supposed to change the
settlement, like with interest, what that interest
should be, or what to do about people who died. I don't
143
REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
THE STATE OF TEXAS )
COUNTY OF TRAVIS )
I, Chavela V. Crain, Official Court
Reporter in and for the 53rd District Court of Travis
County, State of Texas, do hereby certify that the above
and foregoing contains a true and correct transcription
of all portions of evidence and other proceedings
requested in writing by counsel for the parties to be
included in this volume of the Reporter's Record, in the
above-styled and numbered cause, all of which occurred
in open court or in chambers and were reported by me.
I further certify that this Reporter's Record of
the proceedings truly and correctly reflects the
exhibits, if any, offered in evidence by the respective
parties.
WITNESS MY OFFICIAL HAND this the 12th day of May,
2014.
/s/ Chavela V. Crain
Chavela V. Crain
Texas CSR 3064, RMR, CRR
Expiration Date: 12/31/2015
Official Court Reporter
53rd District Court
Travis County, Texas
P.O. Box 1748
Austin, Texas 78767
(512) 854-9322
Charles O. "Chuck" Grigson, Gerald Hooks, and Leslie Hooks v. State
Combined Opinion