IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF IOWA
No. 19-1151
Filed February 19, 2020
IN THE INTEREST OF A.R.,
Minor Child,
T.E., Mother,
Appellant.
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Appeal from the Iowa District Court for Polk County, Romonda Belcher,
District Associate Judge.
A mother appeals the termination of her parental rights. AFFIRMED.
Jesse A. Macro, Jr. of Macro & Kozlowski, LLP, West Des Moines, for
appellant mother.
Thomas J. Miller, Attorney General, and Kathryn K. Lang, Assistant
Attorney General, for appellee State.
Nicole Garbis Nolan of Youth Law Center, Des Moines, attorney for minor
child.
Karl Wolle of Juvenile Public Defender’s Office, Des Moines, guardian ad
litem for minor child.
Considered by Doyle, P.J., and Tabor and Schumacher, JJ.
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DOYLE, Presiding Judge.
A mother appeals the termination of her parental rights. Upon our de novo
review of the record, see In re A.S., 906 N.W.2d 467, 472 (Iowa 2018), we affirm.
I. Background Facts and Proceedings.
T.E. is the mother of A.R., born in 2006. Before the child’s birth, the
mother’s parental rights to her three oldest biological children were terminated. In
the 2002 termination-of-parental-rights order, the juvenile court noted the mother
had a long history of substance abuse. At the time of that termination-of-parental-
rights hearing, the mother was incarcerated in jail on three pending criminal
charges, including conspiracy to deliver a controlled substance. The mother’s
parental rights were terminated. She pled guilty to drug-related offenses, was
incarcerated from 2002 to 2005, and successfully completed parole in 2006.
The mother remained sober for several years, but by 2012, the mother was
again using methamphetamine. In 2012, the family was referred to the Iowa
Department of Human Services (DHS) after an incident involving the mother
occurred at a local motel, where the mother and the child, then age six, were living.
Law enforcement officials responded to a reported burglary at the motel and
learned two men staying with the mother had broken into the motel’s pop machine.
After officers arrived, the mother left the motel with one of the men, leaving the
child behind in the room with another man. Drug paraphernalia and two loaded
syringes of methamphetamine were found in the room.
Before the DHS “had a chance to assess the situation,” the mother left town
with the child to stay with relatives, avoiding confrontation with the DHS. Two
weeks after the motel incident, the child was removed from the mother’s care with
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assistance from the DHS staff in another county. When asked about her actions,
the mother admitted she “had demonstrated poor judgment by allowing her [child]
to be in a filthy motel room . . . where methamphetamines were found.” She told
the assigned child protective worker she “had had relapses over the years and had
made a series of bad choices.” She stated some of her treatment was “a joke” and
that inpatient treatment “would cause her to use meth” and that she believed “she
only needed to get a job, and get her [child] back.” A child-in-need-of-assistance
(CINA) case was opened, with the child ultimately being placed with her paternal
grandparents.
In April 2014, while the 2012 CINA case was pending, the mother was
arrested for a domestic incident involving a seventeen-year-old child—not at issue
here. It was reported that the mother—while intoxicated—had punched and tried
to choke the child.
In or around August 2014, the mother was released from jail and entered
an inpatient substance-abuse-treatment program. At the end of the year, a
guardianship was created placing the child at issue in the guardianship of her
paternal grandparents. The CINA case was closed in January 2015.
In November 2015, presumably after completing her one-year-treatment
program, the mother filed a motion in probate court seeking visitation with the child,
and her motion was granted in January 2016. After several months of regular
visitation, the child “desire[d] to reside with the mother.” Because “there [were] no
safety concerns with the mother and all parties [were] in agreement” with placing
the child back in the mother’s care, the probate court terminated the guardianship.
The mother’s probation ended in or about September 2016.
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In 2017, it was reported that the mother had been acting in a manner
consistent with methamphetamine use and that methamphetamine had been seen
in the mother’s home. Once again, the child was reportedly living in deplorable
conditions and not attending school. Again, when concerns were raised about the
child’s safety, the mother fled with the child to another town. The mother enrolled
the child in school in the new town, but the child was removed from the mother’s
care from the school and placed in the care and custody of the DHS. The State
filed a CINA petition in December 2017. The mother admitted she had relapsed
but maintained she was “open and willing to attend substance abuse treatment
and individual therapy.” But the juvenile court noted in its March 2018 dispositional
order the mother had “been slow to engage in services.” The court pointed out
that the mother “refused to comply with [the DHS’s request for a] drug screen
patch.” Though she obtained two substance-abuse evaluations that
recommended she participate in intensive outpatient treatment, the mother did not
start treatment, giving various but questionable reasons. The mother was
consistent on her visits with the child, but she was almost always late, much to the
child’s frustration. As time passed, the mother’s behaviors worsened rather than
improved. Then, in August 2018, the mother was charged with possession and
manufacturing of methamphetamine after she left methamphetamine in her hotel
room’s safe. She was later arrested for trying to make a purchase with a fraudulent
bill. The mother was placed in jail and services and visitation ceased.
In March 2019, the mother pled guilty to two felony offenses—forgery and
possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver as a lesser included
offense. She was sentenced to consecutive terms in prison, five years for forgery
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and ten years for the drug offense, for a total period not to exceed fifteen years.
The State then petitioned for termination of the mother’s parental rights in April
2019.
The termination-of-parental-rights hearing took place in May and June
2019.1 Prior to it, the mother requested to be physically present and transported
to the hearing, but the juvenile court ultimately denied the request. The mother
was present by phone during the hearing and testified. Her counsel was physically
present at the hearings and represented her diligently. The mother made no claim
that she would be unable to participate meaningfully in the termination hearing by
telephone, with the physical presence of counsel at the hearing, nor did she assert
she could not fully present her case.
In her testimony, the mother admitted the child could not be placed in her
care at that time. She requested the court again create a guardianship and place
the child with her paternal grandmother as the child’s guardian rather than
terminate her parental rights. The mother believed her incarceration would be
short, anticipating she would be released into an offender-treatment program
within the year. The mother expressed:
My intention is to have my daughter be safe and secure where she
is at this time with a guardianship. I will do everything that I can while
I’m in here for the short time that I am in here with the wages that I
will be making . . . to help support her with the eventual return back
to me quickly as possible because I know that she wants her mom
and her mom wants her.
My daughter’s very much loved, and I know that you guys
don’t disagree with that. My intentions is to become the best parent
that I can be because I haven’t been in the past. And I know that. I
look at myself every day and I live with that as my daughter does.
1 Curiously, the transcripts are not paginated.
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So now I’m doing things that I’ve never done before as far as opening
up . . . .
The mother testified she did not believe the child “would be able to cope with” the
termination of the mother’s parental rights.
It was reported at the termination hearing that the child, age twelve at the
time, preferred a guardianship and did not want her mother’s parental rights
terminated. The child’s attorney advocated guardianship be selected as the
permanency option in the case:
My client is smart enough and has an understanding of what is safe
for her and what is not safe for her. The way the State is talking
about a termination versus a guardianship makes it sound like this
mother can come in and take this child whenever she wants to. And
that is not the case.
We have safeguards in place. She would have to petition the
court. She would have to prove that she is able to parent this child
for the guardianship to end. She is with a safe and protective family
member for her, not only emotionally, but is keeping her physically
safe. We are relying on a lot of “what ifs.”
There is a chance that Mom won’t get to talk with my client
again and, most importantly, my client won’t have a relationship with
her mother. That is a giant what if. That is not permanency. The
guardianship is there. Again, the legislature has decided that it is a
form of permanency, and that is what my client wants. She does not
want termination to happen. She understands that the bond can be
broken with her parents and understands how detrimental that can
be to her and her life going forward. This is not coming down to the
adoption part of it. This is coming down to the actual termination of
what that means to my client.
Although she is not fourteen, she is very smart for a twelve-
year-old. She has gone to over thirty sessions with her therapist.
She is safe, she is protected, and she will continue to be safe and
protected with the guardianship. If Mom can get her life together and
be clean and sober the way we want her to, then we want her to have
the opportunity to parent her child again. If she is not clean and safe
and sober, then the guardianship would not end because the court
can ensure the safety of my client.
The child’s guardian ad litem did not think a guardianship was in the child’s
best interests:
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Weighing all the options, I do believe that it is in [the child’s] best
interest that her mom’s rights get terminated. Certainly that will result
in a short-term disappointment, trauma to [the child] because of her
wishes that have been stated since the beginning of this case. . . . I
do believe that long term giving her the stability and the permanency
that will come with an adoption is best for [the child].
....
[W]e have to look at the long-term stability of [the child]. I
know that [her grandmother] has been going above and beyond for
[the child] for a long time. And I believe that the only stability and
consistency that [the child] has had in her life is that stability that [her
grandmother] has been providing. I think not proceeding with
termination and adoption could result in a lot of disruption in [the
child’s] life . . . . And it’s unfortunate that there has been that
disruption in [the child’s] life so far; that she had experienced that
before. So weighing all the factors . . . the short-term and long-term
best interest. Like I said, short term there may be disappointment,
but long term, I believe that there would be a lot of benefit to
terminating her mom’s rights and proceeding with an adoption.
After considering the evidence, the juvenile court determined the mother’s
parental rights should be terminated. The mother appeals.
II. Discussion.
The mother contends the juvenile court erred in four respects, arguing (1)
she had a constitutional due process right to be present at the termination-of-
parental-rights hearing, (2) she should have been transported to the hearing under
Iowa Code section 622.82 (2019), (3) termination of her parental rights was not in
the child’s best interests, and (4) the factors in section 232.116(3) should have
been found applicable and overcome the need for termination of her parental
rights. We address her claims in turn.
A. Due Process.
Both the Federal and State Constitutions provide no person shall be
deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. See U.S. Const.
amend. XIV, § 1; Iowa Const. art. I, § 9. Here, the mother asserts her due process
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claim under both constitutions. “‘We jealously guard our right to construe a
provision of our state constitution differently than its federal counterpart, though
the two provisions may contain nearly identical language and have the same
general scope, import, and purpose.’” State v. Brown, 930 N.W.2d 840, 847 (Iowa
2019) (citation omitted); accord U.S. Const. amend. XIV, § 1; Iowa Const. art. I,
§ 9; In re C.M., 652 N.W.2d 204, 211 (Iowa 2002). The mother has not articulated
a different test or standard under the Iowa Constitution. Thus, we choose to not
interpret the Iowa Constitution any differently from the United States Constitution.
See In re J.C., 877 N.W.2d 447, 452 (Iowa 2016) (concerning a juvenile
delinquency petition).
“‘The relationship between parent and child is constitutionally protected.” In
re M.S., 889 N.W.2d 675, 678 (Iowa Ct. App. 2016) (cleaned up) (quoting Quilloin
v. Walcott, 434 U.S. 246, 255 (1978)). Even so, the DHS and the juvenile court
have the important function of protecting children who need assistance. See in re
A.M.H., 516 N.W.2d 867, 870-71 (Iowa 1994). Yet the fundamental liberty
interests of biological parents in the care, custody, and management of their
children do not evaporate simply because they have not been model parents or
have lost temporary custody of their children to the State. See In re S.J., 451
N.W.2d 827, 830 (Iowa 1990); In re Chad, 318 N.W.2d 213, 218 (Iowa 1982) (citing
Santosky v. Kramer, 445 U.S. 745, 753 (1982)). Providing a parent due process
helps protect a parent’s interest in maintaining his or her family’s integrity. See
A.M.H., 516 N.W.2d at 870. But “the process due in each case is flexible
depending on the particular circumstances.” In re M.D., 921 N.W.2d 229, 235
(Iowa 2018); see also A.M.H., 516 N.W.2d at 870.
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Recently, the Iowa Supreme Court considered “how much process is due
to incarcerated parents who face a hearing to terminate their parental rights” in
M.D., 921 N.W.2d 229 at 230-46. Though the incarcerated parent in M.D. “did not
ask [the supreme court] to recognize a due process right for incarcerated parents
to be physically present at a termination hearing,” the court essentially answered
the question:
[W]e adopt the standard that juvenile courts in this state must give
incarcerated parents the opportunity to participate from the prison
facility in the entire termination hearing by telephone or other similar
means of communication that enables the parent to hear the
testimony and arguments at the hearing. The interests of the parent,
the child, and the state support this opportunity. In particular, it
serves the compelling interest of the parent to hear the evidence
offered in support of a termination petition and to respond effectively
to the evidence. We agree with the observations by other courts that
parents normally have unique and exclusive knowledge of evidence
concerning the termination. After all, their conduct is at issue. The
risk of error is too great if a parent does not have the opportunity to
hear this evidence and to formulate a response to it.
The opportunity to participate by telephone means the
juvenile court must preside over the proceedings in a manner that
will best meet this standard. . . . We, of course, recognize that
circumstances may arise that will challenge the juvenile court’s ability
to enable a parent to participate in the entire hearing, such as
restrictions imposed by prison officials limiting the ability of the
incarcerated parent to be available for the entire hearing. . . . In the
event prison officials from other states, or other circumstances, do
not permit the standard to be met, the juvenile court shall provide an
alternative process that allows the parent to review a transcript of the
evidence offered at the hearing.
Id. at 236. Under M.D., the only process due the mother in this situation was for
her to participate in the entire termination hearing by telephone from the prison.
See id.
Here, the mother participated in the entire hearing by telephone and was
represented by counsel at the hearing. Under the facts of this particular case, it is
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clear the mother was provided due process in the matter of the termination of her
parental rights. So the mother’s constitutional rights were not violated when she
could only participate telephonically. Upon our de novo review of the record and
legal analysis, we concur with the juvenile court’s conclusion the mother received
the process she was due in the case—participation in the case by telephone.
Insofar as the mother requests we overrule our supreme court’s precedent, we are
not at liberty to do so, even if we were inclined—we are not—to agree with the
mother’s position. See State v. Miller, 841 N.W.2d 583, 584 n.1 (Iowa 2014)
(“Generally, it is the role of the supreme court to decide if case precedent should
no longer be followed.”); State v. Eichler, 83 N.W.2d 576, 578 (Iowa 1957) (“If our
previous holdings are to be overruled, we should ordinarily prefer to do it
ourselves.”); State v. Beck, 854 N.W.2d 56, 64 (Iowa Court. App. 2014) (“We are
not at liberty to overrule controlling supreme court precedent.”). For all these
reasons, was affirm the juvenile court’s ruling on this issue.
B. Iowa Code Section 622.82.
Iowa Code section 622.82 provides:
A person confined in a penitentiary or jail in the state may, by order
of any court of record, be required to be produced for oral
examination in the county where the person is imprisoned, and in a
criminal case in any county in the state; but in all other cases the
person’s examination must be by a deposition.
Relying on section 622.82 and public policy reasons for preferring in-person
testimony, the mother argues the court erred in denying her request to be
transported to and be present at the termination-of-parental-rights hearing. Our
supreme court faced a similar question in a postconviction-relief action and
rejected the applicant’s assertion that section 622.82 gave the applicant the “right
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to attend his postconviction proceeding.” Webb v. State, 555 N.W.2d 824, 825
(Iowa 1996). The court explained:
We are not persuaded by Webb’s attempts to argue that the words
“produced for oral examination” mean personal attendance at the
hearing. But even assuming such language means personal
attendance, other language in section 622.82 and also Iowa Code
section 822.7 clearly indicates refusal to allow Webb personal
attendance at the postconviction hearing was properly within the
district court’s discretion. Section 622.82 states an inmate “may be
required to be produced for oral examination” . . . .
The district court’s discretion to exclude an inmate from
personally attending a postconviction hearing has been recognized
by this court . . . . [T]he court stated that a postconviction hearing
need not include the applicant’s testimony, particularly in the
absence of proof that applicant’s attendance was necessary. There
is no proof that Webb’s attendance was necessary. At the hearing
he merely asserted the reason he wanted to be present was that the
telephone lines were “unsecured.” However, Webb was informed
the hearing was not confidential and would be reported. . . .
Webb’s right to due process did not include attendance at the
hearing but did require “fundamental fairness” in the proceedings.
Webb does not deny that he received advance notice of the hearing
and telephone conference, that he was represented by counsel at
the hearing, and that he was given an opportunity to present
testimony orally by telephone. Under these circumstances he was
accorded the fundamental fairness due to him.
Id. at 826 (internal citations omitted).
The juvenile court’s decision to grant or deny the mother’s request to
physically attend was discretionary under section 622.82. As in Webb, there was
no allegation or indication that the mother’s physical attendance at the hearing was
necessary. She was represented by counsel and got to present testimony and
evidence telephonically. She was entitled to due process, and she received the
process she was due with telephonic participation in the entire proceeding. Under
the facts of the case, we cannot say the court erred or abused its discretion in
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declining to grant the mother’s request to attend the hearing pursuant to section
622.82.
C. Iowa Code Section 232.116.
We generally use a three-step analysis to review the termination of parents’
rights. A.S., 906 N.W.2d at 472. We determine: (1) whether grounds for
termination have been established, (2) whether termination is in the child’s best
interests, and (3) whether we should exercise any of the permissive exceptions to
termination. See id. at 472-73. But if a parent does not challenge a step in our
analysis, we need not address it. See In re P.L., 778 N.W.2d 33, 40 (Iowa 2010).
Here, the mother does not contest the grounds for termination. Rather, she argues
a guardianship with the grandmother rather than termination of the mother’s
parental rights is the right course of action.
In determining whether the termination of a parent’s parental rights is in a
child’s best interest, our primary considerations are “the child’s safety,” “the best
placement for furthering the long-term nurturing and growth of the child,” and “the
physical, mental, and emotional condition and needs of the child.” Id. at 37
(quoting Iowa Code § 232.116(2)). The “defining elements in a child’s best
interest” are the child’s safety and “need for a permanent home.” In re H.S., 805
N.W.2d 737, 748 (Iowa 2011) (citation omitted).
Even if termination may be in a child’s best interests, the relationship need
not be terminated if any of the following apply:
a. A relative has legal custody of the child.
b. The child is over ten years of age and objects to the termination.
c. There is clear and convincing evidence that the termination would
be detrimental to the child at the time due to the closeness of the
parent-child relationship.
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Iowa Code § 232.116(3). “A finding of any of these factors allows the court to
avoid terminating parental rights, but the factors ‘are permissive, not mandatory.’”
A.S., 906 N.W.2d 475.
Here, the juvenile court agreed with the child’s guardian ad litem and the
DHS that termination of her parental rights was in the child’s best interests under
the facts of the case. The court found:
There is a loving bond between the child and the mother as they have
maintained consistent weekly telephone contact. However, that
bond, given the totality of this record and the trauma endured by the
mother’s drug use and lack of protective capacity, is not such that
the court finds by clear and convening evidence that the termination
would be more detrimental to the child. The child, while only twelve
years old, is mature beyond her years due to the trauma she has
experienced. She is also, at best, conflicted with the love of her
mother and the love and stability afforded to her by her grandmother.
It is likewise apparent, giving her young age, she may not fully
understand what permanency looks like for her, albeit not wanting to
be adopted. She has consistently reported to her therapist that she
does not want to be adopted, but the reporting is silent on the matter
of termination. While the child remains optimistic about her mother’s
recovery and achieving long term sobriety, the mother’s prior history
reflects the contrary. The mother’s reported sobriety during her term
of incarceration is not an indicator of her ability to maintain sobriety
in the community, which over years, she has demonstrated an
inability to accomplish.
Upon our review, we concur with the juvenile court’s assessment.
A useful marker for a parent’s future performance is that parent’s past
behavior. See In re L.H., 904 N.W.2d 145, 149 (Iowa 2017). Sadly, this case
corroborates this maxim. The mother has a long record of substance abuse and
criminal activity. Having her parental rights terminated to three children almost
twenty years ago did not stop the mother from engaging in substance abuse and
criminal activity that again landed her in prison. Nearly having her rights to this
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child terminated in 2014 did not stop the mother from engaging in substance abuse
and criminal activity that again landed her in prison.
When the mother has relapsed in the past, she has not sought out help, but
she has required others to intervene to protect and care for her child. When the
family raised concerns with the mother about her actions at the start of this case,
rather than seeking help, the mother again fled with the child. Then, after the DHS
became involved, and rather than admit her problems and immediately seek
treatment, she minimized her addiction and her usage, and she blamed others for
her actions or lack of action.
The notes throughout this case show how the mother’s actions have hurt
the child. We understand and appreciate the child’s reported desires. But it is
clear from the record that what the child desires is not simply that her mother’s
parental rights be retained; the child wants that along with a mother that is sober
and abstains from crime. A guardianship over termination of parental rights cannot
make that happen. In fact, “‘a guardianship is not a legally preferable alternative
to termination.’” A.S., 906 N.W.2d at 477 (citation omitted).
We do give the mother some credit for her periods of sobriety, but the
mother, even considering her important, fundamental constitutional rights, is not
the focus here. The focus must be her child. The mother has continued to put her
own needs and desires before her child. Continuing court involvement in the
child’s life is not in her best interests. This child deserves permanency. Given the
mother’s history and hearing testimony, we do not think a guardianship can
achieve the permanency the child needs.
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In the end, the mother will still be the child’s biological mother. While the
child is a minor, her guardian or adoptive parent can allow the child to have some
kind of a relationship with the mother if the guardian or parent believes it is in the
child’s best interests, and the focus can be on allowing this child to grow up as
healthy and happy as possible.
We hope the mother’s latest treatment attempts succeed and she can
become the parent this child deserves. But the child has waited long enough.
Upon our de novo review of the record, the State established termination of the
mother’s parental rights was in the child’s best interests. We also agree with the
juvenile court’s determination that factors in section 232.116(3) should not prevent
termination of the mother’s parental rights.
III. Conclusion.
Upon our de novo review of the record, the mother’s constitutional due
process rights were not violated when the court denied her request to be physically
present at the termination-of-parental-rights hearing. Similarly, Iowa Code section
622.82 did not require the court to grant the mother’s request to be present at the
hearing, and we find no error or abuse of the court’s discretion in denying the
mother’s motion. Finally, we agree with the juvenile court that the State proved by
clear and convincing evidence that termination of the mother’s parental rights was
in the child’s best interests and the exceptions to overcome termination of her
rights should not be applied based on the facts of the case. So we affirm the
juvenile court’s ruling in all respects.
AFFIRMED.
Schumacher, J., concurs; Tabor, J., concurs specially.
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TABOR, Judge (concurring specially).
I agree with the majority’s well-reasoned decision to affirm the termination
of the mother’s parental rights. I write separately to illuminate two points about the
mother’s physical absence from the termination hearing.
First, I disagree In re M.D. settled the question of whether a juvenile court
violates a parent’s constitutional rights by rejecting her request to attend the
termination-of-parental-rights hearing in person. 921 N.W.2d 229, 234 (Iowa 2018)
(explaining “mother did not ask us to recognize a due process right for incarcerated
parents to be physically present at a termination hearing”). But our court has held
a father was not denied due process when the juvenile court overruled his motion
to be transported to the termination hearing. In re J.S., 470 N.W.2d 48, 52 (Iowa
Ct. App. 1991). So I agree we should follow that precedent until our supreme court
takes a different stance.
Second, on the statutory claim, I agree the juvenile court had discretion to
order the mother “to be produced for oral examination” in the county where she
was imprisoned. See Iowa Code § 622.82 (2019). The mother was incarcerated
at the Iowa Correctional Institution for Women in Mitchellville, which is in Polk
County. Section 622.82 “provides a method of getting inmates to court.” State v.
Kile, 313 N.W.2d 558, 563 (Iowa 1981). In a May 7 order, the juvenile court
exercised its discretion under that statute to order the Polk County Sheriff to
transport the mother for the May 10 termination hearing. But, on May 9, the court
rescinded that transport order, saying only its change of heart came “upon further
review and being advised of the premises.”
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In the petition on appeal, mother’s counsel states that the court denied her
request to attend the hearing in person after “a representative of the Department
of Corrections (DOC) at Mitchellville contacted the Court and indicated that they
were unwilling to transport the Mother.” By contrast, counsel for the State
responds it is “unclear from the record available” why the juvenile court denied the
mother’s motion. Similarly, we are unable to find the court’s statement about the
DOC’s unwillingness to transport the mother in our record.
But if the representation of mother’s counsel is true, it is troubling. Deciding
whether a person may attend a hearing on the termination of her parental rights
being held in the county where she is imprisoned is not within the mandate of the
executive branch. Cf. Myers v. Emke, 476 N.W.2d 84, 86 (Iowa 1991) (holding
district court lacked authority to order removal of inmate from Iowa State
Penitentiary in Lee County so he may appear and testify in his own behalf in civil
suit filed in Wapello County because court was “without power to invade the
executive department’s control”). Rather the determination whether to transport
the mother from Mitchellville to Des Moines fell within the court’s purview under
section 622.82.
Here, the record does not show the juvenile court abused its
discretion in rescinding its transport order. I thus concur in the majority’s opinion.