Filed 5/24/21 (unmodified opn. attached)
CERTIFIED FOR PUBLICATION
COURT OF APPEAL, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
DIVISION ONE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
BRANDON FELCZER et al., D077314
(Super. Ct. No. 37-2011-00102593-
Plaintiffs and Appellants,
CU-OC-CTL)
v.
ORDER MODIFYING OPINION
APPLE, INC.,
NO CHANGE IN JUDGMENT
Defendant and Respondent.
THE COURT:
On the court’s own motion, it is ordered that the opinion filed on April
23, 2021 be modified on page 2 at the end of “FACTUAL AND
PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND,” to add as footnote 1 the following, which
will require renumbering of all subsequent footnotes:
1 Although Hogue & Belong, the law firm that
represented plaintiffs in the trial court, was added as a
party to the notice of appeal and treated as such by
appellate counsel, the firm is not a party in this case. Only
parties of record may appeal. (County of Alameda v.
Carleson (1971) 5 Cal.3d 730, 736.) “A party of record is a
person named as a party to the proceedings or one who
takes appropriate steps to become a party of record in the
proceedings.” (In re Miguel E. (2004) 120 Cal.App.4th 521,
539.) In order to become a party, Hogue & Belong could
have petitioned the trial court for leave to intervene (Code
Civ. Proc., § 387) or moved to vacate the judgment to
vindicate their interests after the court’s orders. (Carleson,
at p. 736; Code Civ. Proc., § 663.) The firm took neither of
these steps.
There is no change in judgment.
HALLER, Acting P. J.
Copies to: All parties
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Filed 4/23/21 (unmodified opinion)
CERTIFIED FOR PUBLICATION
COURT OF APPEAL, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
DIVISION ONE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
BRANDON FELCZER et al., D077314
Plaintiffs and Appellants,
v. (Super. Ct. No. 37-2011-00102593-
CU-OC-CTL)
APPLE, INC.,
Defendant and Respondent.
APPEAL from an order of the Superior Court of San Diego County,
Eddie C. Sturgeon, Judge. Affirmed in part; reversed in part, with
instructions.
Hogue & Belong, Jeffrey L. Hogue, Tyler J. Belong, Marisol G. Jimenez;
Law Office of Martin N. Buchanan and Martin N. Buchanan for Plaintiffs
and Appellants.
Carothers DiSante & Freudenberger, Timothy M. Freudenberger, Kent
J. Sprinkle, Robin E. Largent, and Teresa W. Ghali for Defendant and
Respondent.
This case presents a single question for our determination: in a civil
case where the prevailing party is entitled to recover certain litigation
expenses and attorney’s fees from the losing party, when does postjudgment
interest on an award of prejudgment costs begin to run? As we discuss below,
accrual begins on the date of the judgment or order that establishes the right
of a party to recover a particular cost item, even if the dollar amount has yet
to be ascertained.
FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
After five years of litigation that culminated in a lengthy combined jury
and bench trial, plaintiffs representing a subclass of retail workers were
awarded $2,000,000 in damages against defendant Apple Inc. (Apple) for
violations of certain California wage-and-hour labor laws. The trial court
memorialized this award in its September 2017 judgment, noting that costs
would be determined at a later time.
Shortly after entry of the judgment plaintiffs filed a memorandum of
costs, and several months later moved for attorney’s fees under Code of Civil
Procedure section 1021.5.1 Apple opposed the award of attorney’s fees and
filed a motion to tax costs. In March 2018, the court granted the attorney’s
fee motion, awarding over $2,000,000 to class counsel. A month later it
partially granted Apple’s motion to tax costs, reducing the recoverable
amount to about $440,000. These amounts for costs and attorney’s fees were
ultimately included in the judgment, but the court did not specify when
interest on that portion of the judgment would start.
Both parties appealed. But after participating in this court’s
settlement program, they eventually came to an agreement that dismissed
1 Unless otherwise indicated, further undesignated statutory references
are to the Code of Civil Procedure.
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their respective appeals. The matter was remanded to the trial court for
“further proceedings on a distribution plan and appropriate notice.”
The trial court initially encouraged the parties to work together to
determine the details of distribution, but an insurmountable controversy
developed regarding the date on which interest for the attorney’s fees and
costs awarded to plaintiffs should begin to accrue. Apple maintained that
interest should only begin when the amounts were made certain—March
2018 for the fees and April 2018 for the costs—whereas plaintiffs argued both
should run from the date the judgment was entered, in September 2017.2
The court ultimately adopted Apple’s position, entering an order that stated
the interest would begin accruing on the dates the respective awards were
quantified. In this appeal, plaintiffs ask us to find they are entitled to collect
interest on fees and costs beginning on the date of the judgment, in
September 2017.
2 Apple argues that plaintiffs waived their right to raise this argument
by dismissing their first appeal and agreeing to the settlement terms, and
because they earlier suggested interest should run from the date of the jury
verdict rather than the subsequent judgment. But the record clearly shows
that prior to the settlement of the initial appeals and subsequent remand, the
trial court never decided when postjudgment interest on costs and fees should
begin to accrue. Thus, plaintiffs’ agreement to dismiss their appeal as part of
the settlement could not possibly waive their right to challenge a trial court
ruling that had not yet been made. Bell v. Farmers Ins. Exchange (2006) 135
Cal.App.4th 1138, relied on by Apple, is inapposite because in that case the
issue of the proper interest rate was decided prior to the first appeal. Nor did
the fact that plaintiffs’ counsel proposed in May 2018 that interest run from
the date of the verdict somehow preclude plaintiffs from contending in 2019—
when the issue was properly presented to the trial court—that it should run
from the date of the judgment.
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DISCUSSION
Plaintiffs assert it is black letter law in California that fees and costs—
although typically quantified at a later time—retroactively become a part of
the judgment that follows a jury or bench trial, with interest accruing from
the date the judgment is entered. In support of their position they rely
primarily on Lucky United Properties Investment, Inc. v. Lee (2010) 185
Cal.App.4th 125 (Lucky) and its progeny. Apple presses us to reject Lucky,
arguing in large part that it erroneously interprets certain statutes governing
postjudgment costs. As we will explain, the question is not as simple as
whether we agree or disagree with Lucky. Indeed, the Lucky case does not
even reach all aspects of the issue before us.
By statute in California, interest on a money judgment begins to accrue
on the date the judgment is entered. But the precise meaning of “money
judgment” in the context of a postjudgment award of costs and attorney’s fees
is not specifically addressed. Our reading of the relevant statutes, supported
by federal caselaw addressing an analogous issue, suggests that independent
monetary components of a judgment may constitute separate “money
judgments” for the purpose of calculating postjudgment interest. In the case
of prevailing parties seeking costs and/or fees, we ultimately conclude that
interest begins to run on the date their right to those items is determined,
even if the exact amount is ascertained at a later time.
A. Lucky and the Nunc Pro Tunc Power of the Court
We begin with an overview of Lucky. Although the conflict between the
parties in that case started as a contract dispute, it led to a malicious
prosecution claim and an ensuing anti-SLAPP motion. (§ 425.16.) After Lee,
the original plaintiff’s attorney, prevailed in his special motion to strike
Lucky’s malicious prosecution claim, he sought related attorney’s fees and
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costs under section 425.16, subdivision (c). When the trial court denied him
certain fees and costs and found Lucky had satisfied an order by tendering
payment without any interest, Lee appealed. (Lucky, supra, 185 Cal.App.4th
at pp. 130‒136.)
We agree with the Lucky court that understanding “what exactly
constitutes [a] judgment” is critical (Lucky, supra, 185 Cal.App.4th at p. 136),
even if we do not accept Lucky’s implicit conclusion that the term has a fixed
meaning in all contexts and for all purposes. Referencing various sections of
the Enforcement of Judgments Law (§ 680.010 et seq.),3 the Lucky opinion
notes that “[t]he principal amount of a judgment is the amount of any
damages awarded, plus any costs (including attorney fees) to which the
prevailing party may be entitled, less any amounts paid by the judgment
debtor. (§ 680.300.)” (Lucky, at p. 137.) Citing to section 685.010, it goes on
to observe that “[p]ostjudgment interest accrues on the principal amount of
the judgment at the rate of ten percent per annum.” (Lucky, at p. 137.)
Lucky ultimately concludes that “interest ordinarily begins to accrue on the
prejudgment cost and attorney fees portion of the judgment as of the same
time it begins to accrue on all other monetary portions of the judgment—upon
entry of judgment.” (Id. at p. 138.)
Apple attacks the specifics of the Lucky opinion’s reasoning in support
of its conclusion, in particular, its reference to section 680.300. As Apple
correctly points out, the costs that section 680.300 mentions as being “added
3 This law was proposed by the California Law Revision Commission and
enacted in the early 1980’s. (Stats. 1982, ch. 1364, § 2, p. 5070.) It modified
and consolidated the Code of Civil Procedure provisions with respect to the
subject for which it is appropriately named. (See Ehret v. Congoleum Corp.
(2001) 87 Cal.App.4th 202, 206; Recommendation: Interest Rate on
Judgments (Jan. 1980) 15 Cal. Law Revision Com. Rep. (1980) p. 7.)
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to the judgment pursuant to Section 685.090” are not the allowable
prejudgment costs and attorney’s fees at issue in this case. (See § 1033.5.)
Rather, the “costs pursuant to this chapter” identified in subdivision (a) of
section 685.090 are the costs incurred postjudgment to enforce the judgment.
Neither section 680.300 nor section 685.090 address whether or to what
extent prejudgment costs under section 1033.5 become part of the judgment.
On the other hand, the Lucky court’s citation to section 680.300, even if
off point, does not necessarily invalidate its conclusion that an award of
prejudgment costs and/or attorney’s fees becomes part of the judgment, at
least for some purposes.4 Indeed, it would appear self-evident that if
postjudgment costs of enforcing the judgment are added to the judgment,
then certainly prejudgment costs pursuant to section 1033.5 would be
similarly treated. This logic seems to be confirmed by California Rules of
Court, rule 3.1700(b)(4),5 which provides that once allowable costs have been
determined, “ ‘the clerk must immediately enter the costs on the judgment.’ ”
(See, e.g., Chodos v. Borman (2015) 239 Cal.App.4th 707, 714 (Chodos);
9 Witkin & Epstein, Cal. Procedure (5th ed. 2008) Judgments, § 147.)
That the clerk enters the costs “on the judgment” strongly implies that
the amount of the cost award becomes part of the judgment, at least to some
extent. But it does not necessarily dictate when interest on that part of the
judgment begins to accrue. Plaintiffs argue that it does. They rely on section
685.020, which provides that interest begins to accrue on a money judgment
on the date the judgment was entered. (§ 685.020.) From plaintiffs’
perspective, there was only one judgment, entered in September 2017, and
4 Attorney’s fees authorized by contract, statute, or law are allowable as
costs. (§ 1033.5, subd. (a)(10).)
5 Further rule references shall be to the California Rules of Court.
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the later-determined costs and fees accrue interest from that date because
they were “legally and physically” integrated into it when the court directed
the clerk to “add the fees and costs awards in handwriting” on the September
judgment.
In support of this argument, they cite (among other authorities) Bankes
v. Lucas (1992) 9 Cal.App.4th 365 (Bankes) and Grant v. List & Lathrop
(1992) 2 Cal.App.4th 993 (Grant). Bankes explicitly treats the clerk’s entry of
a costs order as a nunc pro tunc correction of the judgment, stating,
“Generally, when a judgment includes an award of costs and fees, the amount
of the award is left blank for future determination.” (Bankes, at p. 369.)
“When the court’s subsequent order setting the final amount is filed, the clerk
enters the amounts on the judgment nunc pro tunc.” (Ibid.) Grant makes a
similar pronouncement, citing to the rule of court that preceded rule
3.1700(b)(4). (Grant, at pp. 996–997.)
But rule 3.1700(b)(4) simply states that “[a]fter the time has passed for
a motion to strike or tax costs or for determination of that motion, the clerk
must immediately enter the costs on the judgment.” We do not read this rule
as establishing that court clerks wield a formal nunc pro tunc power when
they add costs to the judgment. More importantly, perhaps, our Supreme
Court’s description of the proper use of the nunc pro tunc power is limited to
two scenarios: (1) to correct mistakes in order to bring the judgment into
alignment with the court’s intention at the time, and (2) “to preserve
substantial rights” when justice requires, particularly when a litigant would
be otherwise prejudiced by an act within the court’s control and/or not
attributable to the parties. (Osmont v. All Persons (1913) 165 Cal. 587, 591;
Mather v. Mather (1943) 22 Cal.2d 713, 719; see also Fox v. Hale & Norcross
Silver Mining Co (1895) 108 Cal. 478, 480‒481 (Fox); but see Estate of
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Eckstrom (1960) 54 Cal.2d 540, 544 (Eckstrom) [omitting the second
justification: “The function of a nunc pro tunc order is merely to correct the
record of the judgment and not to alter the judgment actually rendered—not
to make an order now for then, but to enter now for then an order previously
made.”].)6 Even assuming both grounds for exercising the nunc pro tunc
power are still permissible, neither would apply to entering newly
determined costs onto a previous judgment. Such an action is not a
correction of a mistake. Neither does the routine business of litigating
entitlement and amount of fees or costs fall into the very limited second
category.7 So although the clerk regularly adds awards of fees and costs onto
an earlier judgment so that a single sum can be subject to collection, this
clerical action cannot broaden the court’s nunc pro tunc power beyond proper
bounds. Nor does it transform that judgment into a single, immutable
document for all purposes, and specifically for the purpose of determining
when interest should begin to accrue.
Returning to plaintiffs’ reliance on Lucky, we read its pronouncement
that interest “ordinarily” begins on the date of judgment to recognize there is
no single absolute rule for every situation. (Lucky, supra, 185 Cal.App.4th at
6 More recent appellate cases follow the pronouncement in Eckstrom,
supra, 54 Cal.2d 540, and treat the nunc pro tunc power as limited to
correcting an error in the judgment. (See Hamilton v. Laine (1997) 57
Cal.App.4th 885, 890–891 [“the court may not, under the guise of an
amendment of its records, revise or change the judgment in substance and
have such amended judgment entered nunc pro tunc”]; 9 Witkin & Epstein,
Cal. Procedure (5th ed. 2020) Judgments, § 61.)
7 This second reason to use the nunc pro tunc power was historically
applied in extraordinary circumstances, such as a party’s death. (See, e.g.,
Fox, supra, 108 Cal. at pp. 480‒482.)
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p. 138.) Lucky applied this ordinary principle in a context where the
prevailing plaintiff’s entitlement to attorney’s fees under section 425.16 was
clear. But the case before us is different, at least with respect to attorney’s
fees, in that we are asked to address what standard governs when it is
unclear at the time of judgment that the prevailing party will recover any
fees. (§ 1021.5.) As such, Lucky’s utility in this case is limited, and we find
little guidance in its progeny (which plaintiffs also cite) on this point. (See In
re Marriage of Dalgleish & Selvaggio (2017) 17 Cal.App.5th 1172, 1177‒1182
(Dalgleish & Selvaggio) [in a marital dissolution case, interest on a payment
owed to one party began accruing on the date of the judgment making that
right certain]; Hernandez v. Siegel (2014) 230 Cal.App.4th 165, 171‒172
[citing Lucky for general purposes in determining whether interest on
attorney’s fees belong to counsel or the client]; Chodos, supra, 239
Cal.App.4th at pp. 710‒714 [considering whether interest on attorney’s fees
runs from the date of the judgment awarding fees or remittitur after the
appellate court reduced the amount].) Nonetheless, we follow Lucky’s
example in looking to the governing statutes as our starting point,
recognizing that determining the date interest begins to accrue on costs or
fees included in the judgment is a question of law for de novo review.
(Dalgleish & Selvaggio, at pp. 1177‒1178.)
B. The Enforcement of Judgments Law Is Properly Construed as Starting
the Accrual of Postjudgment Interest on the Date the Court Decides a
Party Is Entitled to Payment of Costs and Attorney’s Fees, Even if the
Exact Amount Remains to Be Determined
As we have already noted, the Enforcement of Judgments law provides
that interest begins to accrue on a money judgment on the date that
“judgment” was entered. (§ 685.020.) A “money judgment” is, in turn,
defined as “that part of a judgment that requires the payment of money.”
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(§ 680.270.) But what if a judgment includes separate component parts with
separate orders entered at different times requiring the payment of different
sums of money? Can the separate orders amount to separate “money
judgments” that begin to accrue interest at different times?
Consistent with the Enforcement of Judgments Law, an order can
constitute a money judgment. (§ 680.230; see, e.g., In re Marriage of Farner
(1989) 216 Cal.App.3d 1370, 1375‒1376 [finding an order directing spouse to
pay a certain percentage of monthly benefits to his former wife was a “money
judgment” within the meaning of § 680.270].) Indeed, the Supreme Court has
explained that cost awards “are, in fact, separate and complete judgments in
themselves.” (Stockton Theatres, Inc. v. Palermo, 55 (1961) 55 Cal.2d 439,
443.) So when the court must still determine if one side should pay certain
expenses of their opponent, there is no money judgment as to those expenses
unless and until the court decides they are recoverable. There may already
be a money judgment with respect to other monetary payments the court has
ordered, but that judgment cannot constitute a money judgment for costs that
a party has yet to demonstrate it is entitled to recover. This is because there
is no cogent way to construe the term “money judgment” as defined to mean a
judgment that occurred before the right to certain costs was established. But
neither should it be construed to mean a judgment that states a sum certain
dollar amount owed. Rather, a judgment that “requires the payment of
money” in general terms will suffice. (§ 680.270.) Under California law,
then, any judgment that establishes one party owes the other payment is a
money judgment for the purposes of section 685.020, even if the precise
amount owed has yet to be determined.
In this case, when judgment was entered in September 2017, it
established plaintiffs’ right to certain costs as the prevailing parties in the
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action. (See § 1033.5, subd. (a).) That judgment was therefore a money
judgment for these costs because it required Apple to pay them, even if the
exact amount remained to be determined. Interest on those amounts began
to accrue immediately upon entry of the judgment.
At the same time, the September 2017 judgment did not include
attorney’s fees. Although attorney’s fees are an element of costs included in
section 1033.5, they are awardable only “when authorized” by contract,
statute or law. (§ 1033.5, subd. (a)(10).) Plaintiffs sought attorney’s fees
under section 1021.5, the “private attorney general” doctrine, which permits
prevailing plaintiffs to recover fees only if they establish several additional
elements beyond the fact that they prevailed. (See generally Woodland Hills
Residents Assn., Inc. v. City Council (1979) 23 Cal.3d 917, 935‒942
[discussing the first two statutory factors]; Conservatorship of Whitley (2010)
50 Cal.4th 1206, 1214‒1226 [analyzing third factor].) Thus, it was not until
March 2018 when the court decided plaintiffs’ motion for attorney’s fees that
their right to collect those fees was established. Accordingly, the order on
attorney’s fees constitutes a separate money judgment and interest on that
judgment began to accrue on that later date.8
We find significant support for our conclusion in certain federal court
decisions that are part of a decades-old controversy regarding the accrual
date for postjudgment interest under federal law, a debate often framed as a
choice between two different “judgments.” As in California, interest on costs
and fees in federal cases is governed by statute. Similar to Code of Civil
8 In this case, plaintiffs’ entitlement to attorney’s fees and the amount of
those fees was decided in the same order. If for some reason the trial court
had first decided entitlement, and then conducted further proceedings to
determine the amount, interest would begin to accrue as soon as entitlement
was established.
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Procedure section 685.010, title 28 of the United States Code section 1961
provides that “[i]nterest shall be allowed on any money judgment in a civil
case . . . [to] be calculated from the date of the entry of the judgment.” But an
ambiguity arises from the federal statute’s use of the phrase “entry of the
judgment,” which could describe either the “merits judgment” that
determines one party’s right to recover, or the judgment(s) that set the
precise amount owed—what has been termed the “exact quantum judgment.”
(See Kemphaus & Bales, Interest Accrual on Attorney's Fee Awards (2004) 23
Rev. Litig. 115, 116.) This debate has been compounded by the federal
statute’s failure to define the term “money judgment,” and a resulting split in
authority as to whether a money judgment must include the precise amount
recoverable. (See Eaves v. County of Cape May (3d Cir. 2001) 239 F.3d 527,
530‒542 (Eaves).)
The Fifth Circuit’s opinion in Copper Liquor, Inc. v. Adolph Coors Co.
(5th Cir. 1983) 701 F.2d 542 (Copper Liquor) established what would become
the majority view when it explained that interest should run from the time a
party’s entitlement to costs or fees was made certain:
“The relevant judgment for purposes of determining when
interest begins to run is the judgment establishing the
right to fees or costs, as the case may be. If costs are
allowed without express mention in the judgment . . . the
date of the judgment starts the accrual of interest on the
costs due. If, as in the usual course, the amount of costs is
later determined by the clerk, interest will nonetheless run
from the date of the judgment allowing costs either
expressly or by legal implication. If a judgment is rendered
that does not mention the right to attorneys’ fees, and the
prevailing party is unconditionally entitled to such fees by
statutory right, interest will accrue from the date of
judgment. If, however, judgment is rendered without
mention of attorneys’ fees, and the allowance of fees is
within the discretion of the court, interest will accrue only
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from the date the court recognizes the right to such fees in
a judgment.” (Id. at pp. 544–545.)
Copper Liquor has been followed on this point by most of the circuit
courts in a line of cases that reflect a robust debate on the policy implications
of choosing the merits judgment over the exact quantum judgment.
(Compare Jenkins v. Missouri (8th Cir. 1991) 931 F.2d 1273, 1275‒1277,
Friend v. Kolodzieczak (9th Cir. 1995) 72 F.3d 1386, 1391‒1392, BankAtlantic
v. Blythe Eastman Paine Webber, Inc. (11th Cir. 1994) 12 F.3d 1045, 1052‒
1053, Cleo D. Mathis & Vico Prods. Mfg. (Fed. Cir. 1988) 857 F.2d 749, 759‒
760, and Associated General Contractors of Ohio, Inc. v. Drabik (6th Cir.
2001) 250 F.3d 482, 485‒495 with Eaves, supra, 239 F.3d at pp. 529‒542,
MidAmerica Federal Sav. & Loan Ass’n v. Shearson/American Exp., Inc.
(10th Cir. 1992) 962 F.2d 1470, 1475‒1477, and Fleming v. County of Kane
(7th Cir. 1990) 898 F.2d 553, 565.)
Ultimately, we align our construction of the Enforcement of Judgments
Law with the Copper Liquor approach, accepting the arguments of both
parties in part based on the statutory language and its underlying purpose.
We reject plaintiffs’ position as to their attorney’s fee award because it would
require us to conclude that a judgment entered before they were necessarily
entitled to recover fees was somehow a money judgment for those fees. But
because a “judgment [for] the payment of money” (§ 680.020) with respect to
costs and attorney’s fees does not exist until the right to some monetary
payment is established, the plain language of the statute does not support
plaintiffs’ position. We reject Apple’s position as to the remaining costs
because consistency with our construction as to fees mandates that interest
on the award of plaintiffs’ routine litigation costs began to accrue when their
entitlement to costs was certain, i.e., when a merits judgment was entered in
their favor.
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Our conclusion is further supported by the underlying reasons for
awarding postjudgment interest, which are to “compensate[] the judgment
creditor for the loss of use of the money until the judgment is paid and [to act]
as an incentive for the judgment debtor to pay the judgment promptly.”
(Recommendation: Interest Rate on Judgments, supra, 15 Cal. Law Revision
Com. Rep. (1980) at p. 11; accord Payor, Post-Judgment Interest in Federal
Courts (1988) 37 Emory L.J. 495 [“Post-judgment interest compensates a
‘wronged’ party for the loss of use of money awarded by a final judgment.”].)
Prevailing parties lose use of “their” funds as soon as their entitlement to
those funds is established. Accordingly, interest begins accruing as soon as a
money judgment establishing a party’s entitlement to recover funds is
entered. Waiting until the amount is certain would only create incentives for
the judgment debtor to delay the final accounting.9
9 We decline Apple’s invitation to debate the advisability of the
Legislature’s decision to set a certain “legal rate” of interest rather than
indexing it to market rates. Those policy arguments are appropriately made
to the Legislature and not the courts
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DISPOSITION
The trial court’s December 2019 order is reversed only insofar as it
orders postjudgment interest on costs to be calculated from April 9, 2018. We
remand with instructions to enter an order awarding plaintiffs interest on
costs calculated from September 13, 2017. In all other respects, the order is
affirmed. Parties shall bear their own costs on appeal.
DATO, J.
WE CONCUR:
HALLER, Acting P. J.
O’ROURKE, J.
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