(dissenting):
I dissent. The decision of the majority, without citation to any relevant authority, for the first time to my knowledge, applies the doctrine of res judicata or collateral estoppel to bar a § 1983 action challenging the constitutionality of a law solely on the basis that the plaintiff has been at one time convicted of a Violation of that law. As such the majority opinion is an entirely unwarranted extension of the decisions of this court on collateral estoppel in civil rights actions; it is contrary to the underlying law of collateral estoppel generally;1 and it sets a precedent in the area of first amendment challenges that is, to say the least, unfortunate.”
To understand the issues clearly it is necessary to state the facts in more detail than does the majority. Thistlethwaite’s conviction of a violation of § 13 of the Rules and Regulations of the New York City Parks, Recreation and Cultural Affairs Administration (the “Rules and Regulations”)2 was on January 13, 1972, in the Criminal Court of the City of New York for the distribution in Central Park on June 27, 1970, of a political pamphlet advocating boycott of the movie “Woodstock Nation” as a “capitalistic profanation” by a large American corporation (“Warner Bros.”). Lockshon’s conviction of such a violation was on the same date (in a consolidated proceeding) but for the entirely unrelated distribution of a pamphlet in protest of the Indochina war on April 17, 1971, on the southwest sidewalk at the corner of 81st Street and Central Park West, near the American Museum of Natural History. Throughout the New York courts, the only arguments made by the two, appellants here, were that § 13 was unconstitutional on its face.3 Here they brought suit seek*344ing declaratory and injunctive relief on the basis that § 13 as implemented by § 11(a) of the Rules and Regulations4 “both as fully implemented and as applied to plaintiffs” (Par. 20 Complaint) is unconstitutional, particularly on the basis that the “permits . . . purportedly required by Section 13 of the Rules and Regulations, have not been, and are not being, issued by the Administration.”
The issue whether § 13 is void on its face is entirely different from the question whether § 13 as applied is permissible. I say the issue is different, because the facial challenge in the criminal cases to § 13 alone raised only the question whether a city may constitutionally require permits to be obtained under conditions having a rational relationship to the interests of the public in enjoyment of parks and their facilities. Section 13 on its face requires permits to be issued, except when certain specific reasons exist for denial — as where there would be interference with park use by others, use of a site in a specialized area such as a zoo or swimming pool, use of a preempted site and time. Under such circumstances, even when the permit is denied, § 13 requires that “alternative suitable locations and dates should be offered to the applicant.” Thus, under Poulos v. New Hampshire, 345 U.S. 395, 73 S.Ct. 760, 97 L.Ed. 1105 (1953), relied upon by appellees here, it is at least probable that § 13 is valid on its face.5 Compare Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, 394 U.S. 147, 89 S.Ct. 935, 22 L.Ed.2d 162 (1969).
But here appellants contest the constitutionality of § 13 as implemented by § 11(a) and the provisions of the permit application which, taken together, facially appear to prohibit any distribution of pamphlets or handbills in parks or park streets, note 3 supra.6 This issue was not litigated in the state court, and I am *345not aware of any decision holding that collateral estoppel applies to issues not litigated on facts not presented. “Issue preclusion,” as collateral estoppel is now sometimes called, has always applied only to those issues completely litigated and specifically determined. Cromwell v. County of Sac, 94 U.S. 351, 353, 24 L.Ed. 195 (1876); Syms v. McRitchie, 187 F.2d 915, 918 (5th Cir. 1951).
Certainly our own Lackawanna Police Benevolent Association v. Balen, 446 F.2d 52 (2d Cir. 1971) (per curiam), and Rosenberg v. Martin, 478 F.2d 520, 525 (2d Cir. 1973), the only cases relied on by the majority, do not go so far. Lackawanna involved a direct constitutional challenge in a federal § 1983 action on the same grounds with the same parties and with the same facts as had already been tried in a civil action in the state court. In addition, in Lackawanna the plaintiff had voluntarily chosen the state court as his initial forum. In Rosenberg the plaintiff brought a § 1983 action for damages caused by his being deprived of a fair trial through pretrial publicity. There then Chief Judge Friendly allowed that:
It might be contended against giving the New York judgment preclusive effect that ... a state criminal judgment should have no more effect by way of issue preclusion in a federal civil rights action than it would in federal habeas. . . .
478 F.2d at 525. In Rosenberg that contention was not answered, because the plaintiff’s constitutional claim that he was deprived of a fair trial had already been disproven both in the state courts and in the federal court pursuant to a habeas petition.
The cases cited in H. Friendly, Federal Jurisdiction: A General View, 101-02 n. 113 (1973), are equally inapposite. All involve the attempt to upset the judgment of a state court through collateral attack. Were appellants here attacking the judgment of their convictions in the city court, then the majority would be correct in dismissing their civil rights complaint and suggesting the alternative of habeas, but appellants have made it clear that they are done with the past and their concern is the future. To hear their claims and grant them their relief would allow appellants to hand out leaflets in the park, but it would not affect one iota their convictions for violations of the ordinance. And more importantly, we would not be deciding an issue already litigated and decided in a state court, for it simply is not the same question whether an ordinance requiring permits is unconstitutionally applied by screening applicants by the content of their leaflets or is unconstitutional on its face so as to void the conviction of one who never knew of or applied for a permit to distribute.
Nor are the judicial-conservation policies to be served by the doctrine of issue preclusion at all upheld by advancing that doctrine here. The most that this decision does is to prevent Messrs. Thistlethwaite and Lockshon from asserting the unconstitutionality of § 13, merely delaying the determination on the merits, for anyone else may still and undoubtedly will bring the issue of constitutionality of §§ 13 and 11(a) as applied to the federal courts in a § 1983 proceeding. Indeed it might be said that the application of “issue preclusion” in civil rights litigation can increase the federal courts’ burden which so many bemoan: one case to determine whether there is collateral estoppel; another to raise the issue, regardless of the outcome of the first, for inevitably there are numbers of potential plaintiffs willing to test such laws at least when represented by one of many “public interest” legal organizations.
As the court below recognized there is no case which has held collateral estoppel to result from a criminal conviction so as to defeat a civil rights action seeking a declaratory judgment as to future enforcement of a statute. It is doubly *346unfortunate, I think, that the first such case is one in which the right asserted to have been violated is a preferred right — that of free expression of political thought. If any right is to be protected this would seem to be it. I suppose one can fault a given plaintiff, in the majority’s terminology, for being “a career litigant” although appellants’ involuntary defense of a criminal action in the state courts 7 and their institution of a single federal civil rights action in respect to a very important matter — the right to distribute handbills or leaflets in New York City Parks or on “park-streets” — hardly seems to me to justify the majority’s derogatory appellation. But regardless how appellants individually may be characterized, their asserted rights to distribute in the future are significant and so significantly different from those adjudicated in the New York criminal case as to preclude application of the doctrine of collateral estoppel here.
I would reverse the judgment dismissing the complaint and remand.
. Res judicata is not really here involved since none of the defendants named as parties herein were parties to the earlier suit. United States v. Harrison County, 399 F.2d 485, 491 (5th Cir. 1968), cert. denied, 397 U.S. 918, 90 S.Ct. 925, 25 L.Ed.2d 99 (1970).
. Section 13. Meetings.
No person shall hold any meeting, perform any ceremony, make an address, exhibit or distribute any sign, placard, declaration or appeal of any description in any park or park-street, except by permit from Parks, Recreation and Cultural Affairs Administration. Upon application, the Administrator shall issue such permit unless: (1) the use for which the permit is sought would substantially interfere with park use and enjoyment by the public; (2) the location selected is not suitable because of special landscaping and planting; (3) the location is not suitable because it is a specialized area including, but not limited to, a zoo, swimming pool, or skating rink; (4) the date and time requested have previously been allotted by permit. Whenever a permit is denied, alternative suitable locations and dates shall be offered to the applicant.
While § 13 contains no explicit reference to “pamphlets” or “handbills”, appellants were convicted of its violation so that something in it has been construed by the New York authorities and courts to include handbills and pamphlets.
. Their contention in the motion to dismiss before the Criminal Court was that “this or any licensing requirement for an individual’s distribution of political literature in parks of the City of New York is in contravention of the free speech and free press guarantees of the Federal and New York State Constitutions.” (Motion to Dismiss 2-3.) Their contention before the Appellate Term was “that the regulation is unconstitutional on its face.” (Brief to App. Term 5.) So was their argument to the Court of Appeals: *344“ . . . Section 13 is unconstitutional on its face .... And it is on this basis that petitioners seek review at the Court of Appeals.” (Memorandum in Support of Certification to the Court of Appeals 3.) The majority’s claim that the Rules and Regulations were attacked “as applied” as well is simply not supported by the record.
. Section 11(a) reads:
A permit may be granted upon such terms and conditions as the Administrator shall reasonably impose. Every permit shall be of a duration reasonably deemed appropriate by the Administrator for the use of the park and its facilities by the public. The Administrator shall prescribe and make readily available forms of application for permits and copies of the Rules and Regulations in force. In granting a permit, the Administrator shall have the power to require a deposit or collateral or surety as a protection to the City.
In implementing this section the Administrator has caused permit applications to be made which state: “It is prohibited to distribute . . . any pamphlets, handbills, placards, signs or any other appeals within any park or on any park street” (Par. 4) and “The permit ... is revocable at any time in the absolute discretion of the Commissioner.” (Par. 9.)
. Poulos, however, has been strongly criticized. See, e. g., Monaghan, First Amendment “Due Process,” 83 Harv.L.Rev. 518, 542-43 (1970).
. Appellees argue that “the evidence at the hearing below confirmed that permits are issued as a matter of course and, in accordance with [Section 13’s] language, only so as to deal reasonably with the various competing uses of the parks (A 68-74).” (Brief p. 20) While the evidence in question fails to support the assertion that permits are issued “as a matter of course,” it does contain the City’s assertion that paragraph 4 of the permit application, which explicitly prohibits distribution of leaflets, is “interpreted to mean that no distribution of leaflets or other matter is permitted unless it’s specifically permitted by the terms of the permit.” (A-81.) In fact, appellant Lockshon was once in June, 1973, just before the hearing on the preliminary injunction in this case, apparently issued a permit under certain prescribed circumstances. There is no real evidence, however, and there are no findings in any event, as to whether paragraph 4 is often used by the authorities to say, as Lockshon claimed a Mr. Saks of the Parks Department said to him in reference to distributing leaflets in Central Park, “Nothing doing . . . Well, number four says . . . you are not allowed to distribute leaflets in the park.” (A-53). In short, on the record before us, the implication is that the permit system has been used to disallow leaflets the content of which the Commissioner or his lieutenants disapprove. Whether this implication would be borne out by a trial on the merits is a question that will never be deter*345mined, however, for, although none of these allegations and defenses were raised, much less litigated, in the state court, the majority finds them barred by collateral estoppel from determination here,
. The majority acknowledges that “Since the appellants were unaware of the Regulation, it cannot be said that they chose to bring on their prosecution by deliberately violating it