In the Interest of Doe

Dissenting Opinion by

ACOBA, J.

The question raised by petitioner-appellant John Doe, born January 25, 1985 (Minor 1) and petitioner-appellant John Doe, born on January 28, 1983 (Minor 2) (collectively “Minors”), of the extent to which police may detain a minor without a proper determination of probable cause, is 1) of substantial public policy concern, and 2) capable of repetition, yet evading review. Accordingly, I do not believe this appeal is moot.

The purported finding of probable cause on December 6, 2000 to detain the Minors is seemingly bereft of support in the record and, thus, tantamount to no probable cause finding at all. A sworn affidavit was signed by Minors’ counsel stating that “no evidence of any kind was presented to [the Family Court of the First Circuit (the court)] to support [a] finding of probable cause[.]” The prosecution did not rebut this declaration. Further, the lack of evidence was seemingly verified by the attempt of the court, at the request of the prosecution, to “cure” that defect by making a determination of probable cause at the December 11, 2000 habeas corpus hearing. Obviously, the attempt to cure, having been made five days after arrest, came too late under Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS) § 571-32(d) & (e) (1993) or, as argued by Minors’ counsel, under the rationale in County of Riverside v. McLaughlin, 500 U.S. 44, 111 S.Ct. 1661, 114 L.Ed.2d 49 (1991).

The December 6 hearing is not ignored in this opinion’s analysis, as the majority contends. See majority opinion at 79 n. 12, 73 P.3d at 33 n. 12. The point is that the majority would find no error when the court supposedly found probable cause on December 6, 2000 in the absence of any kind of evidence. See majority opinion at 79 n. 12, 73 P.3d at 33 n. 12. That this was the case is not belied by the record, as the majority contends, see majority opinion at 79 n. 13, 73 P.3d at 33 n. 13, but, rather, confirmed by the transcript of the habeas hearing. The transcript indicates that the prosecution suggested that the court remedy any prior defect by making a probable cause determination at the habeas proceeding. The prosecution represented that its customary practice is to not introduce evidence of probable cause on misdemeanor eases, such as the ones involved here, unless specifically requested by a defendant.

Furthermore, I disagree with the majority’s statement that “any defects in a pretrial determination of probable cause are rendered moot” by either “a subsequent conviction” or a “dismissal of the charges,” majority opinion at 78, 73 P.3d at 32 as overly broad and providing little guidance as to what circumstances will allow appellate review.

I.

The facts of the instant case are relatively straightforward. On December 6, 2000, Minor 1 was arrested for allegedly committing the offense of assault in the third degree, HRS § 707-712(1)(a) (1993). He was brought before the Family Court of the First Circuit (the court)1 on the same day and denied the allegations. The court ordered Minor 1 detained at Hale Ho'omalu2 until his trial on December 12, 2000.

Similarly, Minor 2 was arrested on December 5, 2000, and charged as a law violator with respect to the same offense in an unrelated incident. Minor 2 was also brought before the court on December 6, 2000, where he denied the allegations. Again, the court ordered Minor 2 detained at Hale Ho'omalu until trial on December 12, 2000.

On December 7, 2000, the office of the public defender filed separate petitions for *82wits of habeas corpus on behalf of both Minors, arguing that they were being illegally detained as there was no evidence presented on December 6 establishing probable cause. A sworn affidavit to this effect was attached. Minors requested that they be released.

On December 11, 2000, five days after Minors had been arrested, the court held a consolidated hearing regarding the petitions.3 The prosecution argued that Minors had not objected to the court’s finding of probable cause and, thus, waived the issue.4 In the alternative, the prosecution suggested that the court could review the police records and make a hindsight finding of probable cause. An affidavit prepared by the arresting officer was submitted to the court for this purpose.

The court then ruled that, based on its review of the police reports, probable cause existed in both cases:

The Court has had an opportunity to read the police reports which were proffered this morning for both these kids by [the prosecution].
At this time for both kids the Court finds probable cause with respect to the Assault Third charges for both kids in their respective cases.
Insofar as the writ of habeas corpus points to lack of — lack of legal foundation for the probable cause decisions which were made at the time of detention, that’s cured. And I do not find that — that an appropriate remedy would be therefore to release the kids. .

(Emphasis added.) The court also held that because the minors were on probation, the court had “independent authority” to hold both Minors irrespective of whether any new charges had been filed or of any defects regarding those charges.5

On December 12, 2000, Minor 1 admitted to the lesser offense of affray, and an order adjudicating him a law violator within the meaning of HRS § 571-11(1) (1993) was entered. On the same day, the charges against Minor 2 were dismissed with prejudice as the prosecution alleged it was not ready to proceed.

II.

A.

It is well acknowledged that the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution requires prompt determination of probable cause as a prerequisite to prolonged detention following arrest. In Gerstein v. Pugh, 420 U.S. 103, 95 S.Ct. 854, 43 L.Ed.2d 54 (1975), the United States Supreme Court held that the due process clause of the Fourth Amendment requires a prompt determination of “probable cause to believe the suspect has committed a crime” before a suspect can be detained for an extended time. Id. at 114, 120, 95 S.Ct. 854. In Gerstein, the Court did not define the word “prompt” in terms of any specific length of time. In McLaughlin, however, the Court held that, “[t]aking into account the competing interests articulated in Gerstein, we believe that a jurisdiction that provides judicial determinations of probable cause within 48 hours of arrest will, as a general matter, comply with the promptness requirement of Gerstein."6 McLaughlin, 500 U.S. at 56, 111 S.Ct. 1661.

*83The United States Supreme Court has never squarely decided whether the rules espoused in Gerstein and McLaughlin apply to the detainment of juveniles. However, in an analogous case, Schall v. Martin, 467 U.S. 253, 104 S.Ct. 2403, 81 L.Ed.2d 207 (1984), decided nine years before McLaughlin, the Supreme Court explained that “[t]here is no doubt that the Due Process Clause is applicable in juvenile proceedings. ‘The problem,’ we have stressed, ‘is to ascertain the precise impact of the due process requirement upon such proceedings.’ ” Schall, 467 U.S. at 263, 104 S.Ct. 2403 (quoting In re Gault, 387 U.S. 1, 13-14, 87 S.Ct. 1428, 18 L.Ed.2d 527 (1967)). The Court has said in the past that it attempts “to strike a balance — to respect the ‘informality’ and ‘flexibility’ that characterize juvenile proceedings, In re Winship, 397 U.S. [358], 366, 90 S.Ct. 1068, 25 L.Ed.2d 368 [(1970)], and yet to ensure that such proceedings comport with the ‘fundamental fairness’ demanded by the Due Process Clause.” Id. (citing Breed v. Jones, 421 U.S. 519, 531, 95 S.Ct. 1779, 44 L.Ed.2d 346 (1975) and McKeiver v. Pennsylvania, 403 U.S. 528, 543, 91 S.Ct. 1976, 29 L.Ed.2d 647 (1971)).

In Alfredo A. v. Superior Count of Los Angeles County, 6 Cal.4th 1212, 26 Cal.Rptr.2d 623, 865 P.2d 56 (1994)7, a plurality decision, the California Supreme Court noted that, in Schall, “New York’s preventative detention statute served the dual legitimate state objectives of protecting both society and the juvenile[.]” Id. at 65 (citing Schall, 467 U.S. at 264-74, 104 S.Ct. 2403) (Lucas, C.J., with Panelli & Baxter, JJ., concurring). The California court determined that the Gerstein probable cause requirement was applicable to juvenile detentions, but held the forty-eight hour rule announced in McLaughlin inapplicable. It decided that “juvenile arrestees [must] be afforded a judicial determination of ‘probable cause’ for any postar-rest detention extending beyond the 72-hour period immediately following a warrantless arrest[,]” id. at 68 (emphasis in original), rather than the forty-eight-hour period established in McLaughlin.

In a dissent,8 however, Justice Mosk observed that McLaughlin found that “[a] State has no legitimate interest in detaining ... individuals who have been arrested without probable cause” beyond forty-eight hours. Id. at 81, (Mosk, J., dissenting, Kennard and George, JJ., concurring) (quoting McLaughlin, 500 U.S. at 55, 111 S.Ct. 1661) (emphasis in original).9 Thus, the dissent maintained that “[e]xtended restraint for a criminal offense in the absence of probable cause is no more reasonable for juveniles than adults. Arguably less so.” Id. It was reasoned that the “informality” and “flexibili*84ty” of juvenile proceedings “are designed to make the process more expeditious than that of criminal actions, not less[,]” id. at 83 (emphasis in original), and, “[t]hus, if any color-able attack could be mounted against McLaughlin’s definition of ‘promptness [as applied to juveniles],’ it would be that it is too long, not too short." Id. (emphasis in original).

I would adopt the rationale underlying Gerstein and McLaughlin on independent state constitutional grounds and hold that it applies squarely to the detainment of minors. In my view, at the least, article I, section 7 of our State constitution requires a finding of probable cause by a court in order to justify detaining juveniles.10 That section independently supports the right of a juvenile, like an adult, to be free from unreasonable detainment.11 See State v. Texeira, 50 Haw. 138, 142, 433 P.2d 593, 597 (1967) (“The federal decisions do not, however, prevent this court from extending greater protection in interpreting the state constitution where we determine it to be appropriate.”); see also In re John Doe, Born on June 16, 1955, 54 Haw. 647, 651, 513 P.2d 1385, 1388 (1973) (recognizing that in regards to due process rights there is little “distinction[ ] between juveniles and adults in terms of constitutional protections”); cf. In re Jane Doe, Born on May 5, 1977, 77 Hawai‘i 435, 436, 887 P.2d 645, 646 (1994) (holding that “children in school have legitimate expectations of privacy that are protected by article I, section 7 of the Hawai'i Constitution”). Accordingly, in the absence of a finding of probable cause, extended detainment of juveniles must generally be deemed unlawful.

B.

But the McLaughlin rationale aside, it is evident that in Hawai'i, HRS § 571-32, subsections (d) and (e), as argued by Minors, set forth a shorter period in which probable cause must be established by a court. That statute indicates that probable cause must be determined within twenty-four hours when a child is held in a juvenile detention facility, as was the case here:

(d) No child shall be held in detention facility for juveniles or shelter longer than twenty-four hours, excluding weekends and holidays, unless a petition or motion for revocation of probation, or motion for revocation of protective supervision has been filed, or unless the judge orders otherwise after a court hearing. No ex parte motion shall be considered. If there is probable cause to believe that the child comes within section 5 71-11(1),12 the child *85may be securely detained in a certified police station cellbloek or community correctional center. The detention shall be limited to six hours. In areas which are outside a standard metropolitan statistical area, the detention may be up to twenty-four hours, excluding weekends and holidays, if no detention facility for juveniles is reasonably available. Any detention in a police station cellbloek or community correctional center shall provide for the sight and sound separation of the child from adult offenders.
(e) No child may be held after the filing of a petition or motion, as specified in subsection (d) of this section, tonless an order for continued detention or shelter has been made by a judge after a count hearing. If there is probable cause to believe that the child comes within section 571-11(1), the child may be securely detained, following a court hearing, in a detention facility for juveniles or may be held in a shelter. If there is -probable cause to believe that the child comes ivithin section 571-11(2), or section 281-101.5, the child may be held, following a court hearing, in a shelter but may not be securely detained in a detention facility for juveniles for longer than twenty-four hours, excluding weekends and holidays, unless the child is subject to the provisions of chapter 582, Interstate Compact on Juveniles, or is allegedly in or has already been adjudicated for a violation of a valid court order, as provided under the federal juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention Act of 1974, as amended.

(Emphases added.) Thus, there are both constitutional and statutory grounds for the Minors’ challenge of the court’s failure to determine probable cause within the appropriate period of time.13

III.

In the instant case, it is apparent that Minors were detained beyond the twenty-*86four hours set forth in HRS § 571-32(e). Although a hearing was held on December 6 after them arrest, there is no record that evidence was submitted to establish probable cause at the hearing.14 As mentioned, during the December 11, 2000 habeas corpus hearing, the prosecution did not rebut the sworn affidavit to the effect that no evidence was submitted. The deputy prosecuting attorney (the DPA) at the habeas hearing expressly stated that he spoke to the DPA who was present at the December 6 hearing. Despite the fact that it was the central issue during the December 11 habeas corpus hearing, not once did the. prosecution indicate that evidence establishing probable cause had been introduced at the December 6 hearing. In fact, the DPA observed that the normal practice for the prosecution is to not introduce evidence in misdemeanor cases unless the defendant requests the evidence to be submitted. Accordingly, the only issue the DPA raised in regards to the December 6 hearing was whether the alleged failure to object to the finding of probable cause waived that issue. Moreover, the prosecution, in its answering brief, never raised the issue of whether evidence had been submitted at the December 6 hearing. See Hawaii Rules of Appellate Procedure (HRAP) Rule 28(b)(7) (“Points riot argued may be deemed waived.”).

On the record before us, probable cause was not established until the habeas corpus hearing on December 11, 2000. The prosecution presented no evidence to demonstrate that there was a bona fide emergency or extraordinary circumstances to justify this prolonged detention without a probable cause determination. See supra note 11.

IV.

The majority states that “we are unable to discern how the alleged delay in a proper finding of probable cause might have prejudiced the Minorsf,]” majority opinion at 83 n. 9, 73 P.3d at 37 n. 9, and applies a harmless error standard to the constitutional violation. This analysis, however, runs counter to the express language in McLaughlin that “[a] state has no legitimate interest in detaining for extended periods individuals who have been arrested without probable cause.” 500 U.S. at 55, 111 S.Ct. 1661 (emphasis added). Here, the Minors were apparently held for five days without the establishment of probable cause. To apply a harmless error standard under such circumstances would be to, in effect, hold- that the prosecution could detain an individual without a probable cause finding as any appeal would be rendered moot by the passage of time. As stated by Justice Scalia, who advocated a shorter twenty-four hour’ period in his dissent to McLaughlin, “[t]he common-law rule of prompt hearing had as its primary beneficiaries the innocent [ — ■] those so blameless that there was not even good reason to arrest them.” Id. at 71, 111 S.Ct. 1661 (Scalia, J., dissenting).

Here, there was clear prejudice to Minors as the prosecution was allowed to detain them without any showing of probable cause, denying them the right to liberty and to a prompt probable cause determination, see Blumel v. Mylander, 954 F.Supp. 1547, 1559 (M.D.Fla.1997) (explaining that “[i]t is the plaintiffs right to a probable cause determination that was unconstitutionally déprived”), which in my view is a violation of HRS § 571-32 and the Hawai'i Constitution. There is more than a substantial likelihood that a violation of legal rights will reoccur unless this court exercises jurisdiction to decide the merits of the question presented in this appeal. Therefore, the application of the harmless beyond a reasonable doubt rule, see majority opinion at 83 n. 9, 73 P.3d at 37 n. 9, in the face of the mootness exception concerned here, see infra Part IX., would be erroneous.

V.

The subsequent finding of probable cause at the habeas corpus hearing did not correct *87the failure to hold a proper probable cause hearing. See Black v. State, 871 P.2d 35, 39 (Okla.Crim.App.1994) (“Nor do we believe an untimely probable cause hearing retroactively ‘cures’ the time spent without such a hearing, any more than a bad search can later be justified if it proves fruitful.” (Citing Wong Sun v. United States, 371 U.S. 471, 83 S.Ct. 407, 9 L.Ed.2d 441 (1963).)). The right at stake is a procedural due process right, namely that a hearing be held within forty-eight hours. See Blumel v. Mylander, 954 F.Supp. at 1559 (“It is the plaintiffs right to a probable cause determination that was unconstitutionally deprived, not his right to liberty.”). Thus, the determination of probable cause after the forty-eight-hour period or any otherwise applicable period had expired, could not have cured the violation. Accordingly, I would hold that the court erred in determining that a subsequent finding of probable cause corrected the initial failure to find probable cause within the appropriate period.

VI.

Although I believe the court sought to act in the best interest of the parties, I do not believe that the court 'could properly detain Minors on the basis of then- probationary status. Pursuant to HRS § 571-31 (1993), a child

may be taken into custody by any police officer without order of the judge luhere there are reasonable grounds to believe that a child coinés unthin section 571-11(1) or (2), or by any police or probation officer when there are reasonable grounds to believe that the child has violated a court order of probation or protective supervision.

(Emphasis added.) However, as above, HRS § 571-32(d) and (e) mandates that a hearing be held within twenty-four hours to justify continued detention. A child’s probationary status does not change this requirement.

While the court may exercise its authority to order placement of minors on probation, it must do so pursuant to HRS § 571-50 (1993), which requires prior notice and a hearing.15 The record does not indicate that such a procedure was followed in order to modify the terms of the probation. Accordingly, the court lacked the authority to order detainment on the basis of Minors’ probationary status.

VII.

Because I would reach the merits of this appeal, it is necessary to consider the constitutionality of HRS § 571-32(e). I believe it was plain error to overlook a constitutional flaw in a governing statute. See HRAP Rule 28(b)(4). (stating that an “appellate court, at its option, may notice a plain error not presented”); see also State v. McGriff, 76 Hawai'i 148, 155, 871 P.2d 782, 789 (1994) (noting that this court may sua sponte notice plain errors affecting an accused’s substantial rights) (citing State v. Grindles, 70 Haw. 528, 530, 777 P.2d 1187, 1189 (1989)).

Under HRS § 571-32, a juvenile detained on a Friday evening preceding a weekend or a holiday may be detained for longer than forty-eight hours without a finding of probable cause. The statute prohibits detention for longer than twenty-four hours but, in doing so, allows the exclusion of weekends and holidays in the computation. McLaughlin held that “[w]here an arrested individual does not receive a probable cause determination within 48 hours, the burden of proof shifts to the government to demonstrate the existence of a bona fide emergency or other extraordinary circumstance, %ohich cannot include intervening weekends or the fact that in a particular case it may take longer to consolidate pretrial proceedings.” McLaughlin, 500 U.S. at 45, 111 S.Ct. 1661 (emphasis added). Thus, HRS § 571-32 ap*88pears to conflict with the rationale underlying McLaughlin.

VIII.

Although the majority professes to leave questions concerning the effect of a defective probable cause finding to other appeals, see majority opinion at 83 n. 7, 73 P.3d at 37 n. 7, it adopts the general proposition that a defect in a pretrial determination of probable cause is rendered moot by a subsequent conviction or dismissal.16 I take issue with this conclusion not because the parties raise it, see majority opinion at 83 n. 7, 73 P.3d at 37 n. 7, but because the majority introduces it. I believe this proposition is unnecessary to the resolution of the instant case, is contrary to established case law, and will lead to uncertain application in future cases.

First, it must be observed that the cases cited by the majority do not support its proposition that any defects are rendered moot by subsequent events. Rather, these eases support an opposing conclusion, namely, that courts maintain jurisdiction, but that the remedy for a defective probable cause hearing may not require the reversal of a valid conviction or release.17 For example, in Blue v. United States, 342 F.2d 894 (D.C.Cir.1964), a case cited by the majority, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals considered whether a defendant could waive a preliminary hearing without being notified that he or she could be provided an attorney. It expressly held that “the uncounselled status of this appellant when he waived preliminary hearing ... infected that waiver.” Id. at 899. After making this determination, the Blue court concluded that it could not “find that the Commissioner’s failure to accord appellant a meaningful opportunity to elect to have a preliminary hearing ... so handicapped him in his first trial as to require a second.” Id. at 901. Thus, the Blue court did not hold that a conviction or release automatically deprives an appellant of review on the basis of mootness, but that under the facts a new trial was not required. Most of the majority’s other cases are similar. See Bell v. Dillard Dept. Stores, Inc., 85 F.3d 1451, 1459 (10th Cir.1996) (concluding that the defendant did not have “a full and fair opportunity to litigate the issue” of probable cause and that a municipal court’s finding of probable cause “do[es] not preclude [defendant] from litigating the issue of probable cause for his arrest in the instant case”); State v. Mitchell, 104 Idaho 493, 660 P.2d 1336, 1343 (1983) (explaining that “even if the magistrate erred in relying on evidence at the preliminary hearing that is ultimately determined to be inadmissible, the error is not a ground for vacating a conviction where the appellant received a fair trial and was convicted, and there is sufficient evidence to sustain the conviction”); Commonwealth v. McCullough, 501 Pa. 423, 461 A.2d 1229, 1231 (1983) (refusing to reverse a conviction of murder because of a defective hearing); cf. Spriggs v. Wilson, 467 F.2d 382, 388 (D.C.Cir.1972) (dismissing as moot based upon the “District Court’s discretion to refuse to grant declaratory relief[,]” (emphasis added), and because “no useful purpose would be served by granting the declaratory judgment requested here”).

Only two of the cases cited by the majority stand for the proposition that a probable cause hearing defect is moot on appeal following a subsequent conviction. See State v. West, 223 Neb. 241, 388 N.W.2d 823, 829 (1986) (“It is the general rule that any error by the district court in ruling on a plea in *89abatement[18] is cured by a subsequent finding by the jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.”); People v. Alexander, 663 P.2d 1024, 1025 n. 2 (Colo.1983) (en banc) (“[a]bsent unusual circumstances not present here, however, any issue as to the presence of probable cause is rendered moot by the guilty verdict.”).19

Second, as stated earlier, the majority’s statement has little basis in the law and conflicts with a majority of jurisdictions. For example, a claim for damages under 42 U.S.C. § 198320 is allowed subsequent to an unlawful detainment. See, e.g., Blumel, 954 F.Supp. at 1555-56 (finding liability where plaintiff had been held “a full twenty-eight (28) days past the point in time at which he was constitutionally entitled to a judicial determination of probable cause” (boldfaced font in original)); Lambert v. McFarland, 612 F.Supp. 1252, 1262 (N.D.Ga.1984) (finding liability as a matter of law, where a plaintiff was detained for nearly six weeks awaiting a probable cause hearing); cf. Rivas v. Freeman, 940 F.2d 1491, 1492 (11th Cir.1991) (awarding damages “where an arrest and incarceration resulted from misiden-tification” for a period longer then forty-eight hours).

Likewise, evidence obtained as the result of an unlawful detainment is suppressed. See, e.g., United States v. Davis, 174 F.3d 941, 946 (8th Cir.1999) (suppressing evidence because a “probable cause determination was unreasonably delayed by the officers’ attempts to investigate [defendant’s] role in additional crimes”); Willis v. City of Chicago, 999 F.2d 284, 288-89 (7th Cir.1993) (awarding damages where a suspect “was detained solely to permit the police to place him in lineups relating to other uncharged crimes”); Kanekoa v. City & County of Honolulu, 879 F.2d 607, 612 (9th Cir.1989) (explaining that “the fourth amendment does not permit the police to detain a suspect merely to investigate”); Tross v. Commonwealth, 21 Va.App. 362, 464 S.E.2d 523, 529 (1995) (citing several cases for the proposition that evidence obtained during an illegal detention may be suppressed); State v. K.K.H., B.D. 12-18-77, 75 Wash.App. 529, 878 P.2d 1255, 1257 (1994) (discussed infra), reconsideration denied, 75 Wash.App. 529, 878 P.2d 1255 (1994), review denied, 126 Wash.2d 1015, 894 P.2d 565 (1995).

Under the majority’s holding, such claims could be considered moot on appeal if there was either a “subsequent conviction” or “a dismissal of charges.”21 Plainly, other jurisdictions have not adopted this holding, nor should this court. Thus, I cannot agree with the overly broad statement adopted by the majority.22

*90IX.

This case plainly falls within two exceptions to the mootness doctrine. First, it involves a substantial public policy question of the extent to which the police may detain juveniles without a probable cause determination. Second, that question would evade review because of the temporary nature of unlawful detainments.23

Our jurisprudence supports two exceptions to the mootness doctrine. The first exception involves matters involving substantial “public interest.”24 Similarly, a second exception exists where the controversy is “capable of repetition, yet evading review.” Life of the Land v. Burns, 59 Haw. 244, 251, 580 P.2d 405, 409 (1978) (quoting Valentino v. Howlett, 528 F.2d 975, 979-80 (7th Cir.1976)).

A.

Manifestly, the exercise of police power to detain a juvenile is a matter of substantial public concern. This court has emphasized that “[t]he power of arrest is an awesome one and is subject to abuse.” State v. Lloyd, 61 Haw. 505, 511, 606 P.2d 913, 918 (1980) (quoting United States v. Santana, 427 U.S. 38, 48, 96 S.Ct. 2406, 49 L.Ed.2d 300 (1976) (Marshall, J., dissenting)). “[A]ny policy encouraging the police to engage in unnecessarily prolonged detentions would have a serious impact on the liberty interests of those detainees.” Ruf v. Honolulu Police Dept., 89 Hawai'i 315, 317, 972 P.2d. 1081, 1093 (1999). Hence, a “democratic society, in which respect for the dignhy of all men is central, naturally guards against the misuse of the law enforcement process.” Gerstein, 420 U.S. at 118, 95 S.Ct. 854 (quoting McNabb v. United States, 318 U.S. 332, 343, 63 S.Ct. 608, 87 L.Ed. 819 (1943)). The impact on a minor is no less detrimental:

[T]he need for a very prompt judicial determination of probable cause may be a more crucial factor in assessing the ‘reasonableness’ of the ‘seizure’ of a juvenile than of an adult, because the consequences *91of even a relatively brief wrongful incarceration are likely to be more detrimental and long-lasting to an innocent, vulnerable child than to an innocent adult.

Alfredo A., 26 Cal.Rptr.2d 623, 865 P.2d at 85-86 (George, J., dissenting).

In an analogous case, the Court of Appeals of Washington considered challenges25 regarding predetention hearing practices involving three juveniles and held that the court “will address the issues notwithstanding their mootness because ... [it] find[s] that they are of substantial and continuing public interest.”26 K.K.H., 878 P.2d at 1256 (emphasis added) (citing In re Swanson, 115 Wash.2d 21, 793 P.2d 962, 964 (1990) (“This court may decide a moot case if it involves matters of continuing and substantial public interest.”))27. In K.K.H., the Washington court noted, as in the instant case, that “[t]he challenges here are to practices and procedure which allegedly improperly delayed the juveniles’ preliminary appearances after arrest.” Id. at 1257. While the K.K.H. court recognized that the case was moot as to the minors because “none [currently] remain in detention or otherwise suffer disability as a direct result of the challenged proeedures[,]” and subsequent to them appeal, the statute regarding probable cause determinations had been amended, it addressed the issue as it was of “substantial and continuing public interest.” Id. at 1256. It was acknowledged that that court was “called upon to review not only practices that may not be occurring presently, but also claims that are based on a juvenile court rule that has since been amended[.]” Id. Nevertheless, the appeals court proceeded to decide that the practice of cancelling a probable cause hearing where a prosecutor had filed a prior information violated a minor’s right to have a determination within forty-eight horn’s. See id. at 1258 (citing Gerstein, 420 U.S. at 117, 95 S.Ct. 854). The Washington court concluded that “[w]ith the above concerns expressed, the appeals are dismissed.” Id. at 1259.28 As in Washington, the detainment of juveniles in Hawai'i in purported violation of their due process rights presents a matter of substantial and continuing public interest that warrants a decision on the merits.

B.

This case also presents issues “capable of repetition yet evading review.” This test does, not demand certainty, but only the likelihood that “similar questions arising in the future ivould likewise become moot before a needed authoritative determination by the appellate court can be made.” Okada Trucking Co. v. Board of Water Supply, 99 Hawai'i 191, 198 n. 8, 53 P.3d 799, 806 n. 8 (2002) (emphasis and brackets omitted) (emphasis added) (quoting Johnston v. Ing, 50 Haw. 379, 381, 441 P.2d 138, 140 (1968)).

The legal issues posed in this case are likely to arise again. Both Minors were de*92tained in the same fashion. As stated earlier, during the habeas coiyms hearing the prosecutor observed that the standard practice for misdemeanor cases was that the police would submit evidence regarding probable cause only if requested by the defendant. Thus, it is likely that the same question will be raised again. Morever, illegal detain-ments are likely to evade review. As the Court explained, the question of pretrial detention is not treated as moot because of its temporary nature:

Pretrial detention is by nature temporary, and it is most unlikely that any given individual could have his [or her] constitutional claim decided on appeal before he [or she] is either released or convicted. The individual could nonetheless suffer repeated deprivations, and it is certain that other persons similarly situated will be detained under the allegedly unconstitutional procedures. The claim, in short, is one that is distinctly “capable of repetition, yet evading review.

Gerstein, 420 U.S. at 111, 95 S.Ct. 854 (emphases added);29 see also Schall, 467 U.S at 256 n. 3, 104 S.Ct. 2403.

Thus, pretrial detention of juveniles is a matter of substantial public interest and presents issues that would evade review because of the temporary nature of such custody. In order to prevent detention violations, this court must be able to review these types of cases.

X.

Accordingly, I must respectfully dissent from the majority’s disposition and analysis in this case.

. The Honorable William J. Nagle, III, presided at this hearing.

. Hale Ho'omalu is a juvenile detention center.

. The Honorable Frances Q.F. Wong presided at this hearing.

. Minors' counsel argued the finding could not be waived.

. The court stated as follows:

I or any other family court judge has jurisdiction, continuing jurisdiction, under their status, which is they're both under probation, to make placement decisions. That is over and above whatever might have been triggered by these new petitions. That's one. And that’s both legal, statutorily, as well as constitutional.

. Something less than forty-eight hours may be required to satisfy due process. As the Court said, "[tjhis is not to say that the probable cause determination in a particular case passes constitutional muster simply because it is provided within 48 hours." McLaughlin, 500 U.S. at 56, 111 S.Ct. 1661. "Examples of unreasonable delay are delays for the purpose of gathering additional evidence to justify the arrest, a delay motivated by ill will against the arrested individual, or delay for delay's sake.” Id. "Cases establish that a delay [in holding a probable cause hearing] may be unreasonable if it is motivated by a desire to uncover additional evidence to support the arrest or to use the suspect’s presence solely *83to investigate the suspect’s involvement in other crimes.” U.S. v. Davis, 174 F.3d 941, 944 (8th Cir.1999) (citing McLaughlin, 500 U.S. at 56, 111 S.Ct. 1661; Willis v. City of Chicago, 999 F.2d 284, 288-89 (7th Cir.1993)). Thus, while forty-eight hours is a "general” determination of constitutionality, a more prompt determination may be required depending upon the facts qf the individual case.

.The statute analyzed in Alfredo 4. differs from HRS § 571-32, discussed infra, in that "the inquiry into the propriety of the extended detention is much broader in scope than a determination, in the strict Fourth Amendment sense, of whether ‘factual’ probable cause exists to believe the . minor committed the crime for which he [or she] was taken into custody.” Alfredo A., 26 Cal.Rptr.2d 623, 865 P.2d at 61. The Alfredo A. statute "lists seven ‘conditions,’ one or more which must be found to exist in order to warrant detaining the minor and scheduling a detention hearing within 72 hours of his or her arrest[.]” Id. In contrast, HRS § 571-32 requires only a finding of probable cause that the minor has violated any federal, state, or local law or municipal ordinance. See HRS §§ 571 — 32(e) (1993) & 571-11(1) (1993).

. It appears that the dissent had an equal number of votes as the lead decision. See Alfredo A., 26 Cal.Rptr.2d 623, 865 P.2d at 84 (Mosk, J., dissenting, Kennard and George, JJ., concurring) ("The lead opinion’s reasoning does not express the views of a majority of this court. As a result, its analysis lacks authority as precedent ... and hence cannot bind.” (Brackets and citations omitted.)).

. The dissent also criticized the majority’s heavy reliance upon Schall, inasmuch as Schall interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment, not the Fourth Amendment, see 865 P.2d at 79 (Mosk, J., dissenting, Kennard and George, JJ., concurring), concerned “formal, adversarial probable cause hearings, and not the informal, nonadver-sarial judicial probable cause determinations discussed in Gerstein and McLaughlin [,] and "dealt with a situation in which the juvenile was already detained pursuant to court order-unlike tire situation here, where he was not.” Id.

. Article I, section 7 of the Hawai'i State Constitution states that

[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches, seizures and invasions of privacy shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or tilings to be seized or the communications sought to be intercepted.

. McLaughlin held that after forty-eight hours die burden shifled to the government to demonstrate a "bona fide emergency or other extraordinary circumstance” in the event of a longer detention.

Where an arrested individual does not receive a probable cause determination within 48 hours, the calculus changes. In such a case, the arrested individual does not bear the burden of proving an unreasonable delay. Rather, the burden shifts to the government to demonstrate the existence of a bona fide emergency or other extraordinary circumstance. The fact that in a particular case it may take longer than 48 hours to consolidate pretrial proceedings does not qualify as an extraordinary circumstance. Nor, for that matter, do intervening weekends. A jurisdiction that chooses to offer combined proceedings must do so as soon as is reasonably feasible, but in no event later than 48 hours after arrest.

McLaughlin, 500 U.S. at 57, 111 S.Ct. 1661 (emphasis added).

.HRS § 571-11 states, in pertinent part, as follows:

Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, the court shall have exclusive original jurisdiction in proceedings:
(1) Concerning any person who is alleged to have committed an act prior to achieving eighteen years of age which would constitute a violation or attempted violation of any federal, state, or local law or municipal ordinance. Regardless of where the violation occurred, jurisdiction may be taken by the court of the circuit where the person resides, is living, or is found, or in which the offense is alleged to have occurred.
(2) Concerning any child living or found within the circuit:
*85(A) Who is neglected as to or deprived of educational services because of the failure of any person or agency to exercise that degree of care for which it is legally responsible;
(B) Who is beyond the control of the child's parent or other custodian or whose behavior is injurious to the child’s own or others' welfare;
(C) Who is neither attending school nor receiving educational services required by law whether through the child's own misbehavior or nonattendance or otherwise; or
(D) Who is in violation of curfew.

(Emphasis added.)

. Minors also contend that Hawaii Rules of Penal Procedure (HRPP) Rule 5(a)(2) is applicable. This rule states, in relevant part, as follows:

PROBABLE CAUSE DETERMINATION UPON ARREST WITHOUT A WARRANT. As soon as practicable, and, Rule 45 notwithstanding, not later than 48 hours after the warrantless arrest of a person held in custody, a district judge shall determine whether there was probable cause for the arrest. No judicial determination of probable cause shall be made unless there is before the judge, at the minimum, an affidavit of the arresting officer or other person making die arrest, setting forth the specific facts to find probable cause to believe that an offense has been committed and that the arrested person has committed it. If probable cause is found as aforesaid, an appropriate order shall be filed with the court as soon as practicable. If probable cause is not found, or a proceeding to determine probable cause is not held within the time period provided by this subsection, the arrested person shall be ordered released and discharged from custody.

(Emphasis added.) However, HRPP Rule 54(b) states that

[tjhese rules shall not apply to extradition and rendition of fugitives; forfeiture of property for violation of law; the collection of fines and penalties; contempt proceedings which are treated by the court as petty misdemeanors; family court proceedings under section 571-11 of Hawaii Revised Statutes; and statutory proceedings in which a specific procedure is provided for as part of the statute creating the offense.

(Emphases added.) Although HRPP Rule 54(b) appears to restrict the application of the rules of penal procedure, the Intermediate Court of Appeals has held that in tire "absence of comparable rules in the Hawaii Family Court Rules, this court has approved of the use of PIRPP rules in HRS chapter 571 proceedings.” In re John Doe, born on October 26, 1977, 79 Hawai'i 265, 272, 900 P.2d 1332, 1339 (1995). Analogous to the instant case, it was held there that "[a] hearing to determine delinquency need not conform with all the requirements of a criminal trial; but the procedures employed must measure up to the essentials of due process and fair treatment.” Id. (brackets, citations, and ellipsis points omitted). In this case, there are allegations of a violation of Minors’ rights which are not addressed by the family court rules.

. The majority observes that Minors failed to submit a transcript of the original hearing held on December 6, 2000, and that it is "impossible for [this couri] to determine whether there is any merit to the Minor’s contention[,]” majority opinion at 84-85 n. 13, 73 P.3d at 38-39 n. 13, namely that there was no evidence submitted at this hearing. However, inasmuch as it was not contested that no evidence was submitted, I believe this court may consider the original hearing on that basis as did the parlies and the court below.

. HRS § 571-50 states, in pertinent part, as follows:

At any time during supervision of a child the court may issue notice or other appropriate process to the child if the child is of sufficient age to understand the nature of the process, to the parents, and to any other necessary parties to appear at a hearing on a charge of violation of the terms of supervision, for any change in or modification of the decree or for discharge. The provisions of this chapter relating to process, custody, and detention at other stages of the proceeding shall be applicable.

(Emphases added.)

. Specifically, the majority states that

it is widely acknowledged in other jurisdictions that, absent unusual circumstances, any defects in a pretrial determination of probable cause are rendered moot, or are without effective remedy, which is much the same thing, by a subsequent conviction ... or a dismissal of the charges!.]

Majority opinion at 83, 73 P.3d at 37 (emphasis added) (footnote and citations omitted).

. The majority misconstrues this statement to imply that this opinion argues that a lack of remedy supports a finding of jurisdiction. See majority opinion at 83 n. 6, 73 P.3d at 37 n. 6. Rather, the observation here is that there is little or no support for the majority’s conclusion that defects in a pretrial determination are rendered moot by subsequent events. The cases cited by the majority, quite simply, stand for the contrary proposition that a court should take jurisdiction and review the case before determining the question of a remedy.

. Black's Law Dictionary 1151-52 (6th ed.1990) states that a "plea on abatement" has been replaced by a motion in those states that have adopted or patterned rules on the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

. Even these cases are somewhat suspect. Other courts have cited Alexander for a contrary holding, namely that a conviction could not be overturned because of a probable hearing defect, but that the merits of the case could be reviewed. See State v. Butler, 257 Kan. 1043, 897 P.2d 1007, 1021 (1995) (citing Alexander for the proposition that "[o]ther states have applied a harmless error standard when a defendant has been improperly bound over for trial after a preliminary' hearing.”); People v. Hall, 435 Mich. 599, 460 N.W.2d 520, 526 (1990) (citing Alexander and stating that "automatic reversal is not warranted in tire present circumstances”); cf. Trujillo v. State, 880 P.2d 575, 582 (Wyo.1994) (citing Alexander for the proposition that objections raised only on appeal are considered waived).

As to West, it is uncertain what procedure is followed in a plea of abatement, or whether this hearing would be comparable to a preliminary hearing as required in Gerstein and McLaughlin.

. "State courts have concurrent jurisdiction over federal damage claims under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 (1976).” Makanui v. State., 6 Haw.App. 397, 403, 721 P.2d 165, 170 (1986) (citations omitted)

. The majority utilizes the qualifier "absent unusual circumstances[,]” majority opinion at 82, 73 P.3d at 36, in this statement. But without a definition of an "unusual circumstance!,]” this phrase does little to restrict the broad application of the conclusion that an appellate court lacks jurisdiction over tire failure to hold, or a defect in, a probable cause hearing.

. It should be observed that most courts do not void a subsequent conviction simply because of an unlawful detention. See Gerstein, 420 U.S. at 119, 95 S.Ct. 854 (explaining that "an illegal arrest or detention does not void a subsequent conviction”); see also State v. Furuyama, 64 Haw. 109, 121-22, 637 P.2d 1095, 1103 (1981) *90(quoting Gerstein for the proposition that an illegal arrest does not bar a subsequent conviction); but see Powell v. Nevada, 511 U.S. 79, 84, 114 S.Ct. 1280, 128 L.Ed.2d 1 (1994) (expressly refusing to examine the question of an appropriate remedy for a delay in determining probable cause, "an issue not resolved by McLaughlin ”). In Tross, the Virginia court observed that

[a] majority of state and federal courts have relied upon Gerstein in holding that an illegal arrest or detention does not void a subsequent conviction. See, e.g., Seabolt v. Hopper, 240 Ga. 171, 240 S.E.2d 57, 58 (1977) (defendant arrested pursuant to warrant issued by justice of the peace under an invalid fee system); Tommie v. State, 158 Ga.App. 216, 279 S.E.2d 510, 512 (1981) (defendant returned to state under warrant alleging offense other than one for which he was subsequently convicted); Commonwealth v. Sudler, 496 Pa.Super. 64, 649 A.2d 129, 134 (1994) (magistrate not detached and neutral because of quasi-familial relationship with victim), appeal denied, 540 Pa. 612, 656 A.2d 118 (1995); State v. Schreuder, 712 P.2d 264, 270-72 (Utah 1985) (probable cause statement supporting arrest warrant failed to reveal source of information or any basis for determining the credibility or reliability of tire source).

464 S.E.2d at 529. Hence, although I would hold that claims based on unlawful detainment are not moot, I would not suggest that such a claim, if successful, necessarily invalidates any subsequent conviction. See Furuyama, 64 Haw. at 122, 637 P.2d at 1104 (explaining that the court "regardfs] the drastic step of barring a prosecution altogether to remedy governmental irregularity in bringing a defendant to trial an undue 'interference with the public interest in having the guilty brought to book’ " (quoting United States v. Blue, 384 U.S. 251, 255, 86 S.Ct. 1416, 16 L.Ed.2d 510 (1966))).

. For instance, the instant appeal involves unlawful detainment in two separate situations arising independently of each other.

. As stated in Johnston v. Ing, 50 Haw. 379, 441 P.2d 138 (1968),

ftfhere is a well settled exception to the rule that appellate courts will not consider moot questions. When the question involved affects the public interest, and it is likely in the nature of things that similar questions arising in the future would likewise become moot before a needed authoritative determination by an appellate court can be made, the exception is invoked.
Among the criteria considered in determining the existence of the requisite degree of public interest are the public or private nature of the question presented, the desirability of an authoritative determination for the future guidance of public officers, and the likelihood of future recurrence of the question.

Id. at 381, 441 P.2d at 140 (internal quotation marks omitted) (quoting In re Brooks’ Estate, 32 Ill.2d 361, 205 N.E.2d 435, 437-38 (1965) (other citations omitted) (emphases added)).

. In K.K.H., the three minors challenged three practices. The first practice was the "use of a telephone conference between the prosecutor and the judge for the purpose of determining probable cause.” 878 P.2d at 1258. "The juvenile is not present during this conference. The juvenile’s counsel is not permitted to participate in the conference although he or she may be present with the prosecutor while the conference is taking place.” Id. The second practice occurred when the prosecutor "file(d] an information” before the juvenile received a probable cause determination, resulting in "the probable cause determination [being] stricken [and] ... depriving the juvenile] of a probable cause determination within 48 hours of his or her arrest.” Id. The final challenge was to ex parte bench warrants that did not meet the requirement of a probable cause determination. Id.

. The court went on to note that "in order to best serve the public interest in our resolution of the issues, we will analyze them in light of the current version of ... [the statutory law] and not the version in effect over 2 years ago when the ' juveniles filed their motion Cor ... review.” K.K.H., 878 P.2d at 1256.

. In In re Swanson, the Washington court stated that it utilizes the following factors to determine whether a public interest is of a substantial nature: "(1) the public or private nature of the question presented; (2) the desirability of an authoritative determination which will provide future guidance to public officers; and (3) the likelihood that the question will recur.” 793 P.2d at 964 (quoting Dunner v. McLaughlin, 100 Wash.2d 832, 676 P.2d 444, 448 (1984)).

. Presumably, the effect of the decision was similar to a declaratory ruling, where the court indicated the future disposition of like cases.

. It should be observed that both Gerstein and McLaughlin are distinguishable from the present case in that they involved civil class actions. Accordingly, although ihe individual cases may have been moot, the impact of unlawful detainment on the class members still presented a live controversy.