Tedesco v. White CA4/3

Filed 6/15/22 Tedesco v. White CA4/3

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IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT

DIVISION THREE

THOMAS TEDESCO et al.,

Plaintiffs and Appellants, G059883

v. (Super. Ct. No. 30-2019-01078628)

LAURA K. WHITE, as Cotrustee, etc., OPINION
et al.,

Defendants and Respondents.

Appeal from a judgment and orders of the Superior Court of Orange
County, Aaron W. Heisler, Temporary Judge. (Pursuant to Cal. Const., art. VI, § 21.)
Appeal dismissed in part and judgment affirmed.
Herzog, Yuhas, Ehrlich & Ardell, Ian Herzog and Evan D. Marshall, for
Plaintiffs and Appellants.
Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton, Adam E. Streisand, Nicholas J. Van
Brunt and Valerie E. Alter for Defendants and Respondents.
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 This is a factually complicated case, but despite appellants’ hyperbolic
briefing, not a difficult one. Thomas S. Tedesco, by his alleged guardian ad litem
Stephen Carpenter, and trust beneficiary, Debra Wear, represented by Ian Herzog and
Evan D. Marshall of Herzog, Yuhas, Erlich & Ardell (the Herzog firm), appeal from the
judgment dismissing a trust petition, order denying motion for new trial, and an order
denying Wear’s motion for leave to file amended petition.
Respondents Laura K. White, Julie M. Bas, and Sandra L. Kay, who are
Tedesco’s daughters as well as the cotrustees of the Thomas S. Tedesco Living Trust (the
Tedesco Trust), have moved to dismiss the appeal because the Riverside Superior Court,
which established a conservatorship over Tedesco’s estate (the conservatorship
proceeding), previously ruled that all legal services agreements between the Herzog firm
and Tedesco were void and that only David Wilson, in his capacity as the duly appointed
conservator of Tedesco’s estate, could initiate civil litigation on Tedesco’s behalf. The
court also instructed Wilson to intervene in a Riverside Superior Court civil case that had
been filed on Tedesco’s behalf by Carpenter as guardian ad litem, for the purpose of
dismissing it. The Herzog firm appealed the Riverside Superior Court orders. Our
colleagues in the Second Division of the Fourth District Court of Appeal affirmed the
orders. (Conservatorship of the Estate of Thomas S. Tedesco (Sept. 19, 2019, E070316)
[nonpub. opn.] (Conservatorship of Tedesco).)
Those orders should preclude Carpenter’s and the Herzog firm’s pursuit of
the petition, and of this appeal, on Tedesco’s behalf. However, as appellants point out in
their opposition to the motion to dismiss, the very issues raised in this appeal are whether
those orders are valid and whether they effectively preclude the Orange County Superior
Court from appointing a guardian ad litem in a trust case pending before it.
The Herzog firm’s brief in opposition to the pending motion to dismiss is
similar to its opening brief on the merits—although the brief includes a demand that this
court “report” three justices from Division Two to the appropriate judicial authority for

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what appellants characterize as a pattern of willful and “disgraceful” misconduct,
including “[p]ervasive falsification of the record.”1 We do not confuse aggressive
argument with persuasive advocacy, and thus reject this argument. That being said,
appellants are correct in pointing out that the merits of the motion to dismiss are the same
as the merits of the appeal. We consequently deny respondents’ motion to dismiss the
appeal.
On the merits, however, appellant’s arguments fail. They assert that the
conservatorship proceeding is void and that, even if it were valid, the trial court erred by
interpreting the Riverside Superior Court orders as a restriction on its ability to appoint a
guardian ad litem in the trust proceeding in the Orange County Superior Court with that
argument. We disagree.
In arguing the conservatorship is void, appellants fail to acknowledge there
are significant constraints on a court’s ability to declare a prior judgment or order to be
void. A judgment is void (as opposed to voidable) only when the court issuing it lacked
fundamental jurisdiction over the parties or subject matter. It is only when that lack of
jurisdiction can be established in the judgment roll, or the judgment has been directly
challenged in another equitable proceeding, that a court can adjudicate a judgment to be
void in a separate case. Neither of those circumstances has been established here.
Consequently, we find no error in the trial court’s application of Conservatorship of
Tedesco and the companion case Tedesco v. White2 in this proceeding.

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The Herzog firm purports to support this potentially contemptuous
assertion by relying on a selected group of documents that attorney Marshall claims to
“verify,” albeit with no showing he is qualified to do so. Moreover, in asserting the
appellate court has “lied,” the Herzog firm ignores all standards of appellate review,
including the substantial evidence test.
2
(Tedesco v. White (Sept. 19, 2019, E069428) [nonpub. opn.].)

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 We also reject the assertion that the Riverside Superior Court’s orders
cannot restrict the power of the Orange County Superior Court to appoint a guardian ad
litem in a proceeding before it. Not only is the contention barred by collateral estoppel, it
is also erroneous. Contrary to appellants’ assertion, an order restricting who can
represent Tedesco in litigation is not an exercise of jurisdiction over the trust. Such an
order adjudicates who can act on Tedesco’s behalf in initiating and maintaining litigation.
That is an inextricable aspect of a conservatorship over the estate of an incapacitated
person. If another court were permitted to appoint someone other than Wilson to act on
Tedesco’s behalf and to bring litigation Wilson declined to pursue, that would directly
undermine Wilson’s authority as conservator. Because Tedesco has an appointed
conservator to protect his interests, it is that conservator’s responsibility to decide what
legal claims are to be pursued.
Appellants also appeal the January 20, 2021 order denying Tedesco’s
stepdaughter, Debra Wear, leave to file an amended petition to substitute herself as the
petitioner in this case (the Wear Order). As noted above, the cotrustees and Wilson have
moved to dismiss this appeal. They argue that Wear is not aggrieved by the denial of her
application because the court did not preclude her from filing a petition on her own
behalf, if appropriate.
We agree the appeal as to the Wear Order should be dismissed.
Conservatorship of Tedesco prevents Wear from claiming to represent Tedesco’s
interests in this case, and the court’s denial of her motion did not affect whatever right
she may have to bring a petition on her own behalf. The appeal as to the Wear Order is
therefore dismissed.

FACTS
Thomas Tedesco, the putative petitioner and appellant, is an elderly man
who is the subject of a permanent conservatorship of his estate. The initial petition to

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establish the conservatorship was filed by Tedesco’s daughter, Laura White, due to
concerns he had suffered mental deterioration following medical procedures and was
subject to undue influence. Following a trial, the Riverside Superior Court appointed a
temporary conservator. However, apparently due to concerns that the person appointed
as temporary conservator would be appointed as the permanent conservator, Tedesco
filed his own petition seeking the appointment of David Wilson as his permanent
conservator. Shortly thereafter, the parties stipulated to the appointment of Wilson as
Tedesco’s permanent conservator.
By virtue of that conservatorship, Tedesco lacks the legal capacity to
conduct his own financial and business affairs, and he cannot enter into contracts on his
own behalf. (Civ. Code, § 40; Prob. Code, § 1872, subd. (a).) As Tedesco’s duly
appointed conservator, it is Wilson’s responsibility and obligation to act on Tedesco’s
behalf in such matters. (Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316.)
As a conservatee, Tedesco is entitled to be represented by an independent
counsel in matters relating to the conservatorship. (Prob. Code, § 1471, subd. (a).)3 The
probate court has appointed a series of independent counsel to act for Tedesco in
connection with the conservatorship. Attorney Russell L. Davis filed multiple requests to
be appointed as Tedesco’s independent counsel; the probate court denied each one. In
December 2017, the court appointed Kevin McKenzie to act as independent counsel for
Tedesco in the conservatorship. As appellants acknowledge, McKenzie has since been

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Specifically, the conservatee is entitled to be represented by independent
counsel in connection with “(1) A proceeding to establish or transfer a conservatorship or
to appoint a proposed conservator. [¶] (2) A proceeding to terminate the
conservatorship. [¶] (3) A proceeding to remove the conservator. [¶] (4) A proceeding
for a court order affecting the legal capacity of the conservatee. [¶] (5) A proceeding to
obtain an order authorizing removal of a temporary conservatee from the temporary
conservatee’s place of residence.” (Prob. Code, § 1471, subd. (a).)

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relieved as Tedesco’s independent counsel in the conservatorship proceeding.4 He is not
involved in this appeal.
Despite the existence of Tedesco’s conservatorship, Davis previously
sought to initiate litigation on behalf of Tedesco, and Carpenter sought to be appointed
his guardian ad litem in Riverside, without notifying Wilson.
In April 2018, the Riverside Superior Court issued orders affirming
Wilson’s termination of earlier retainer agreements between Tedesco and the Herzog
firm, and between Tedesco and Davis. The court instructed Wilson to intervene in and
move to dismiss a civil suit brought on Tedesco’s behalf in the Riverside Superior Court,
in which Carpenter had been appointed to act as Tedesco’s guardian ad litem. The
probate court also ruled that any future litigation on behalf of Tedesco “shall be initiated
exclusively by the Conservator [Wilson] or Court Appointed Counsel, Kevin McKenzie.”
(Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316.)
Those orders were affirmed on appeal in Conservatorship of Tedesco. The
appellate opinion also concluded that Tedesco “lacks the legal ability to retain or direct
counsel,” and that appointed counsel McKenzie had no authority to retain or associate
with nonappointed counsel to pursue a civil action on Tedesco’s behalf.
(Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316.) The Riverside Superior Court reached
similar conclusions when it dismissed a related civil case brought on Tedesco’s behalf by
the Herzog firm; that judgment was also affirmed on appeal in Tedesco v. White.
(Tedesco v. White, supra, E069428.)
While the appeals of the orders in Conservatorship of Tedesco and the
judgment in Tedesco v. White were pending, the instant petition was filed on Tedesco’s

4
Appellants do not specify the date McKenzie was relieved as Tedesco’s
independent counsel in the conservatorship, but we note the record in this case reflects
that by July 2020—a month before the trial court made its ruling—he was no longer
listed as one of Tedesco’s counsel in connection with the petition.

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behalf in the Orange County Superior Court, seeking to remove Tedesco’s daughters as
the cotrustees of the Tedesco Trust, and challenging the validity of the third amendment
to that trust. Counsel listed on the petition are the Herzog firm, Davis (who signed the
petition), and McKenzie. The petition names Carpenter as plaintiff, in his capacity as
Tedesco’s guardian ad litem.
In February 2020, after the Riverside Superior Court’s orders were affirmed
on appeal, the cotrustees demurred to the petition, arguing Tedesco lacked capacity to file
it, the attorneys representing him were not authorized to pursue it, and the Riverside
probate court, which had exclusive jurisdiction over the appointment of fiduciaries to
represent Tedesco, had not appointed a guardian ad litem to act on Tedesco’s behalf in
filing it. Meanwhile, back in Orange County Superior Court, Carpenter and counsel
opposed the demurrer, arguing in part that the Riverside conservatorship proceeding was
void based on various perceived errors. The trial court rejected the effort to collaterally
attack the conservatorship rulings. Instead, the court concluded it was bound by
collateral estoppel to apply the rulings in Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316,
and Tedesco v. White, supra, E069428, which precluded it from appointing a guardian ad
litem to represent Tedesco in bringing the petition.
The trial court consequently sustained the cotrustees’ demurrer with leave
to amend to allege either that Tedesco’s conservatorship had been terminated or that the
conservator or another person authorized by the Riverside probate court to act on
Tedesco’s behalf had filed an amended petition. No amendment was filed.
The trial court scheduled an order to show cause re dismissal of the petition
for November 18, 2020. On November 16, after the court’s leave to amend expired, and
two days before the scheduled dismissal, Wear5 filed an ex parte application for leave to

5
As noted in Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316, Wear is not only
Tedesco’s stepdaughter, but also a paralegal for attorney Davis.

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substitute herself as the petitioner in the case. The cotrustees opposed the ex parte
application, arguing that Wear was not authorized to pursue Tedesco’s claims on his
behalf, and arguing she lacked standing to pursue the petition in her own right. The trial
court denied the application, concluding there was no statutory justification for granting
ex parte relief.
On November 24, 2020, the trial court ordered the petition dismissed. In its
order, the court acknowledged Wear’s effort to substitute herself into the case and noted
that her effort did not comport with the limited leave to amend the court had allowed
when sustaining the cotrustees’ demurrer. The trial court also stated it was making no
rulings “as to whether any person with standing to do so might file his/her/their own
petition seeking relief identical or similar to the relief sought in the Petition.”

DISCUSSION
1. Validity of the Judgment in Conservatorship of Tedesco
Appellants contend the conservatorship established over Tedesco in August
2015 is void because (1) it is “based on a ‘stipulation prior to trial’ which . . . never
existed”; (2) “Judge Cox [the judge presiding when the conservatorship was established]
was disqualified . . . for bias extant at the time he made the August 2015 order,” which
“deprived his orders of legal effect”; (3) “Tedesco demanded a jury trial in July 2015
[i.e., a month before the conservatorship was established by stipulation], and no
admonition or waiver of that right existed”; and (4) “Tedesco was not given advisements
required by Probate Code §§ 1827 and 1828 at the time the conservatorship was
supposedly created.” Counsel also argues that “Tedesco was repeatedly denied [a] timely
hearing on [the] validity of the conservatorship or orders—even after the Court of Appeal
acknowledged the right to hearing and review in May 2019, and despite the duty sua
sponte to vacate void orders.” We reject each of these arguments.

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 A final judgment is presumed valid and enforceable. As our Supreme
Court explained in People v. American Contractors Indemnity Co. (2004) 33 Cal.4th 653,
660 (American Contractors Indemnity), a judgment is “void” only when the court lacks
fundamental jurisdiction over the subject matter or the parties, i.e., “‘an entire absence of
power to hear or determine the case, an absence of authority over the subject matter or
the parties.’”
The Supreme Court added that the phrase ‘“lack of jurisdiction’” can “also
‘be applied to a case where, though the court has jurisdiction over the subject matter and
the parties in the fundamental sense, it has no “jurisdiction” (or power) to act except in a
particular manner, or to give certain kinds of relief, or to act without the occurrence of
certain procedural prerequisites.’” (American Contractors Indemnity, supra, 33 Cal.4th
at p. 661.) And ““‘[w]hen . . . the court acts contrary to the authority thus conferred, it
has exceeded its jurisdiction.”’” (Ibid.)
In cases where “a court has fundamental jurisdiction, but acts in excess of
its jurisdiction, its act or judgment is merely voidable. [Citations.] That is, its act or
judgment is valid until it is set aside, and a party may be precluded from setting it aside
by ‘principles of estoppel, disfavor of collateral attack or res judicata.’ [Citation.] Errors
which are merely in excess of jurisdiction should be challenged directly, for example by
motion to vacate the judgment, or on appeal, and are generally not subject to collateral
attack once the judgment is final unless ‘unusual circumstances were present which
prevented an earlier and more appropriate attack.’” (American Contractors Indemnity,
supra, 33 Cal.4th at p. 661.)
In this case, Appellants fail to explain why the alleged errors they highlight
would render Tedesco’s conservatorship void, as opposed to voidable. But even if we
were to assume that one or more of the issues they raise created a fundamentally void
conservatorship judgment, we would still be constrained by the rule that in determining
whether a judgment is void, “‘[e]very presumption is in favor of the validity of the

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judgment, and any condition of facts consistent with its validity [and not affirmatively
contradicted by the judgment roll] will be presumed to have existed rather than one which
will defeat it.’” (Wells Fargo & Co. v. City & County of San Francisco (1944) 25 Cal.2d
37, 40 (Wells Fargo).)
“In the absence of extrinsic fraud or mistake” a judgment “cannot be set
aside [in a collateral proceeding] unless it is void on its face.” (Wells Fargo, supra,
25 Cal.2d at p. 40, italics added; OC Interior Services, LLC v. Nationstar Mortgage, LLC
(2017) 7 Cal.App.5th 1318, 1327 (OC Interior Services) [“A judgment that is void on the
face of the record is subject to either direct or collateral attack at any time”] County of
San Diego v. Gorham (2010) 186 Cal.App.4th 1215, 1228.)
‘“A judgment or order is said to be void on its face when the invalidity is
apparent upon an inspection of the judgment-roll.”’ (Dill v. Berquist Construction Co.
(1994) 24 Cal.App.4th 1426, 1441; OC Interior Services, supra, 7 Cal.App.5th at p. 1327
[“To prove that the judgment is void, the party challenging the judgment is limited to the
judgment roll, i.e., no extrinsic evidence is allowed”].)
The “judgment roll” is statutorily defined as consisting of a very limited set
of documents. It includes “the pleadings, all orders striking out any pleading in whole or
in part, a copy of the verdict of the jury, the statement of decision of the court, or finding
of the referee, and a copy of any order made on demurrer, or relating to a change of
parties, and a copy of the judgment.” (Code Civ. Proc., § 670, subd. (b).) In cases
involving a default, the judgment roll will also include the summons and documents
evidencing service of process. (Ibid.)
A judgment is invalid “on its face” only when the invalidity can be
established based on those few documents. None of the alleged errors identified by
appellants in the conservatorship case satisfy that standard.
Their first assertion, that the stipulation relied upon by the Riverside
Superior Court to establish the conservatorship “never existed,” reflects reliance on

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extrinsic evidence to contradict the content of the court record; such reliance is prohibited
in establishing facial invalidity. Appellants fail to demonstrate that their assertions about
the judge being “disqualified,” about Tedesco demanding and never waiving a jury trial,
and about his not being given required advisements, are established by an inspection of
the judgment roll. Consequently, Appellants have failed to establish the fact that the
conservatorship is void.
A judgment that is valid on its face can only be attacked on appeal or by a
motion to vacate in the original case,6 or in a separate equitable proceeding brought for
that purpose. (OC Interior Services, supra, 7 Cal.App.5th at p. 1328 [“a judgment that is
valid on the face of the record must be challenged by direct attack, such as a motion in
the original action, an appeal in the original action, or an independent equitable action”].)
As explained in Bloniarz v. Roloson (1969) 70 Cal.2d 143, 146, “[a] court of general
jurisdiction has inherent equity power, aside from statutory authorization, to vacate and
set aside default judgments obtained through extrinsic fraud or mistake,” and “[t]his
power may be invoked by motion or by an independent action in equity” (ibid; Olivera v.
Grace (1942) 19 Cal.2d 570, 575 [“One who has been prevented by extrinsic factors from
presenting his case to the court may bring an independent action in equity to secure relief
from the judgment entered against him”]).7

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As previously noted, an appeal or a motion to vacate a judgment are the
appropriate procedures for addressing errors that render a judgment voidable, but not
void—i.e., in cases where the court, although vested with fundamental jurisdiction over
the parties and subject matter, is said to have acted “in excess of its jurisdiction.” The
failure to pursue those remedies generally results in a waiver of such errors. (American
Contractors Indemnity, supra, 33 Cal.4th at p. 661.)
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“Fraud is extrinsic where the defrauded party was deprived of the
opportunity to present his or her claim or defense to the court, that is, where he or she
was kept in ignorance or in some other manner, other than from his or her own conduct,
fraudulently prevented from fully participating in the proceeding.” (In re Marriage of
Stevenot (1984) 154 Cal.App.3d 1051, 1068.) And fraud is labeled intrinsic and not a

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 There is no evidence in our record that a separate equitable proceeding has
been initiated to establish the conservatorship proceeding is void, or that any such effort
was successful. As a result, the conservatorship judgment and the orders issued therein
are valid and binding for purposes of this case.
2. Collateral Estoppel
The orders affirmed in Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316, and
Tedesco v. White, supra, E069428, are entitled to collateral estoppel effect in this case.
“Issue preclusion by collateral estoppel ‘prevents “relitigation of issues
argued and decided in prior proceedings.” [Citation.]’ [Citations.] The doctrine ‘rests
upon the ground that the party to be affected, or some other with whom he is in privity,
has litigated, or had an opportunity to litigate the same matter in a former action in a
court of competent jurisdiction, and should not be permitted to litigate it again to the
harassment and vexation of his opponent. Public policy and the interest of litigants alike
require that there be an end to litigation.’” (Rodgers v. Sargent Controls & Aerospace
(2006) 136 Cal.App.4th 82, 89-90 (Rodgers).)
Collateral estoppel applies “‘“if (1) the issue necessarily decided at the
previous [proceeding] is identical to the one which is sought to be relitigated; (2) the
previous [proceeding] resulted in a final judgment on the merits; and (3) the party against
whom collateral estoppel is asserted was a party or in privity with a party at the prior
[proceeding].”’” (People v. Carter (2005) 36 Cal.4th 1215, 1240.)
In this case, appellants do not challenge application of the doctrine of
collateral estoppel in the abstract, nor do they contend its essential elements have not
been established. Instead, they argue it should not be applied here for reasons of policy,

ground for relief “if a party has been given notice of the action and has not been
prevented from participating therein, that is, if he or she had the opportunity to present
his or her case and to protect himself or herself from any mistake or fraud of his or her
adversary, but unreasonably neglected to do so.” (Id., at p. 1069.)

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due process, and jurisdiction. They suggest that even if the conservatorship proceeding is
neither void nor invalid, it is nonetheless “dubious.” But final judgments, like marriages,
are not subject to incremental validity. If a judgment is valid, it is entitled to deference.
Appellants argue, for various reasons, that the analysis employed in
Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316, is flawed, the conclusions it reaches are
erroneous, and thus it should not be followed.8 We do not agree, since even a legally
flawed judgment is entitled to collateral estoppel effect. (Panos v. Great Western
Packing Co. (1942) 21 Cal.2d 636, 640 [“An erroneous judgment is as conclusive as a
correct one”]; see Weil v. Barthel (1955) 45 Cal.2d. 835, 839 [“Since it appears that in the
prior action the trial court had jurisdiction of the subject matter and of the parties thereto,
and the judgment in such action has become final, it may not now be attacked by plaintiff
on the ground that it was incorrect”].)
The application of collateral estoppel is not predicated on whether the first
court’s ruling was correct; it is predicated on the fact the parties had a full and fair
opportunity to litigate the issue in that first proceeding. (People v. Cunningham (2001)
25 Cal.4th 926, 1009 [litigants are “entitled to a fair trial but not a perfect one”].)
Based on appellants’ argument in their opening brief, we disagree that any
delay of the motion to vacate the conservatorship amounted to misconduct. Appellants
argue Tedesco filed a motion to vacate the conservatorship in February 2018; the motion
was originally set for hearing in March 2018. The matter was then transferred to a
different courtroom and, in July 2018, Tedesco’s daughters successfully moved to stay
the conservatorship proceedings, so the motion to vacate was never ruled upon. Absent

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In fact, appellants seem to believe that labeling the appellate court’s
conclusions to be “legally preposterous” and its facts to be “invent[ed],” and claiming the
trial court’s ruling is an “absurdity,” will assist us in evaluating whether those rulings are
unsupported by relevant facts and precedent. They are wrong. We seldom find such
hyperbolic arguments helpful.

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from that rendition of events is any description of misconduct. 9 Appellants also argue
that, in January 2019, Tedesco filed a motion to lift the stay for purposes of hearing his
motion to vacate the conservatorship, but the motion was denied a month later. Again,
appellants do not suggest the denial was legally incorrect or involved an abuse of the
court’s discretion. They further assert that in August 2019—i.e., a month after the
appellate court’s opinion in Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316—they filed a
petition for writ of mandate seeking an order either vacating the conservatorship due to
the delay in hearing the motion to vacate or requiring the Riverside Superior Court to rule
on the motion immediately. That petition was also denied. Nothing in those facts
suggests misconduct. In any event, the conservatorship order is entitled to the
presumption of validity since it was issued by a court which had jurisdiction over both
the parties and the subject matter.10

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Appellants also suggest that the judge who issued the orders challenged in
Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316, was disqualified at the time he issued those
orders in March 2018, and that the stay prohibited them from having a hearing on that
issue. The record does not support the assertion the judge was then disqualified. It
demonstrates only that Carpenter filed a request to disqualify the judge in September
2018—i.e., six months after the orders were issued—and the judge responded with an
untimely rejection of the request, which was deemed an acceptance. The judge
consequently recused himself in October 2018. Nothing in that evidence supports the
contention that the judge was disqualified when he issued the challenged orders.
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Although appellants assert the stipulation cited by the Riverside probate
court in establishing the conservatorship did not exist, the allegations contained in their
petition suggest Tedesco did agree to the conservatorship. Specifically, they allege that
Tedesco “reluctantly agreed” to file his own petition for a permanent conservatorship in
an effort to avoid the appointment of a conservator he did not want, and that when he
allegedly changed his mind after filing that petition, it was his own attorneys who ignored
him. They also acknowledge that Tedesco attended the hearing at which Wilson (who
was Tedesco’s choice for a permanent conservator) was appointed. While appellants
attribute Tedesco’s failure to object to that appointment to a hearing problem on his part,
we are not persuaded of that by this record.

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 Appellants rely on Rodgers, supra, 136 Cal.App.4th at p. 92 for the
proposition that “‘“[c]ollateral estoppel may be applied only if due process requirements
are satisfied.”’” But Rodgers bears no factual similarity to this case and the language
attributed to it is actually a quotation from a different case, which itself quotes a third
case; we are not persuaded that any of those opinions support the argument appellants are
making here.
3. McKenzie’s Participation as Cocounsel
Appellants assert that because McKenzie, who had been appointed as
Tedesco’s independent counsel in the conservatorship, was included as one of the counsel
on the petition, its filing was “authorized” by the orders affirmed in Conservatorship of
Tedesco, supra, E070316. In making that argument, they point to a single sentence in the
probate court’s order: “Any future litigation initiated on behalf of the Conservatee
Thomas S. Tedesco shall be initiated exclusively by the Conservator or Court-Appointed
Counsel Kevin McKenzie.” (Ibid., italics added.) Appellants offer no analysis to support
their apparent conclusion that this order gave McKenzie unlimited authority to initiate
litigation on Tedesco’s behalf. We reject that suggestion.
The conservator’s authority to initiate litigation on the conservatee’s behalf
is derived from Probate Code section 2462, subdivision (a), which states the conservator
may “[c]ommence and maintain actions for the benefit of the ward or conservatee or the
estate.” There is no similar provision for an appointed independent counsel. Instead, as
we have already noted, the role of such counsel in a conservatorship is specific and
limited; it is confined to representing the conservatee on issues arising within the
conservatorship case. (See Prob. Code, § 1471, subd. (a); Conservatorship of Bookasta
(1989) 216 Cal.App.3d 445, 447, fn. 2 [“conservatee is entitled to legal representation in
matters pertaining to the conservatorship”].) An independent counsel appointed in a
conservatorship does not occupy the role of the conservatee’s unrestricted private
counsel.

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 The appellate court in Conservatorship of Tedesco could not have been
clearer when it said that “Wilson [the conservator] possesses the exclusive authority to
take legal action on behalf of [Tedesco]” (Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra, E070316;
see Prob. Code, § 2462, subd. (a)). The court rejected the claim that McKenzie had the
authority to “approve and join in [a] civil action.” (Conservatorship of Tedesco, supra,
E070316.)
In any event, even if McKenzie’s status as Tedesco’s independent counsel
had conferred on him authority to pursue whatever independent civil litigation he favored
on Tedesco’s behalf, it is undisputed that he no longer occupied that role in the
conservatorship and that he had ceased participating as counsel in this case before the
trial court sustained the cotrustees’ demurrer. Once McKenzie ceased being Tedesco’s
independent counsel in the conservatorship, and he withdrew as one of Tedesco’s counsel
in this case, whatever authority he might have once possessed was terminated.
4. Interference with the Exclusive Jurisdiction of the Orange County Superior
Court
Appellants suggest that this case cannot be governed by Conservatorship of
Tedesco, supra, E070316, because if the rulings in that case are applied, it would impact
the exclusive jurisdiction of the Orange County Superior Court to adjudicate the trust
dispute and would thus impair the court’s “duty” to hear the matter. They characterize
the Riverside Superior Court’s ruling as an “interference” with the jurisdiction of the
Orange County court.
We do not dispute that the Orange County Superior Court may be the
proper forum in which to file litigation over the Tedesco Trust (see Prob. Code, § 17005,
subd. (a)(1), [“[t]he proper county for commencement of a proceeding . . . [¶] [involving
a living trust is] the county where the principal place of administration of the trust is
located.”) But that statute establishes venue, not exclusive jurisdiction.

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 As explained in The California Gun Rights Foundation v. Superior Court
(2020) 49 Cal.App.5th 777 (California Gun Rights Foundation), the various county
superior courts enjoy what is effectively shared jurisdiction to hear and decide whatever
cases are brought before them: “California’s superior courts are courts of general
jurisdiction, ‘which means they are generally empowered to resolve the legal disputes
that are brought to them.’” (Id. at p. 788.)
“In contrast to jurisdiction, venue ‘is the place of trial—a particular county
of the state,’” and “[a]s a general rule, the issue of venue . . . ‘“is not jurisdictional in the
fundamental sense; and, both in civil and criminal cases, a change of venue from the
superior court of one county to the same court in another county does not affect its
jurisdiction over the subject matter of the cause.”’” (California Gun Rights Foundation,
supra, 49 Cal.App.5th at p. 788; see People v. Dawkins (2018) 24 Cal.App.5th 698, 704
[“Venue ‘“establishes the proper place for trial,”’ but it does not affect a trial court’s
personal or subject matter jurisdiction”].)
Thus, in California Gun Rights Foundation, the court concluded that
Government Code section 6259, which specified that a petition challenging the
government’s refusal to produce public records was to be filed in “the superior court of
the county where the records or some part thereof are situated” governed only the issue of
venue. It did not address “jurisdiction, and thus it d[id] not deprive [the Los Angeles
Superior Court] of subject matter jurisdiction over a public records dispute even if the
requested records are not situated in the county. . . .” (California Gun Rights Foundation,
supra, 49 Cal.App.5th at p. 783.) We agree with that analysis.
Probate Code section 17000, subdivision (a), which states that “[t]he
superior court having jurisdiction over the trust pursuant to this part has exclusive
jurisdiction of proceedings concerning the internal affairs of trusts,” does not change our
conclusion. As explained in Capra v. Capra (2020) 58 Cal.App.5th 1072, the term
“exclusive jurisdiction” as used in the Probate Code “concerns assigning exclusive

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responsibility over certain actions to the department of the superior court assigned to hear
probate matters as against other departments in that same county superior court, such as
the departments that hear civil matters. ‘Exclusive jurisdiction’ in the Probate Code does
not distinguish between different county superior courts.” (Id. at p. 1083; see also
Harnedy v. Whitty (2003) 110 Cal.App.4th 1333, 1345 [explaining that Probate Code
section 17000 was enacted “to make clear that the probate departments of the California
superior courts could exercise the full and complete jurisdiction of a regular superior
court when hearing and deciding a probate matter”].)
Based on those authorities, we conclude that the Orange County Superior
Court does not have exclusive jurisdiction over the Tedesco Trust. Consequently, we
reject the assertion that a ruling of the Riverside Superior Court which impacts litigation
involving the Tedesco Trust would infringe on Orange County’s jurisdiction.
In any event, even if we were to agree the Orange County Superior Court
had exclusive jurisdiction to adjudicate disputes involving “the internal affairs” of the
Tedesco Trust under Probate Code section 17000, that would not preclude the Riverside
court from deciding the issue of who can represent Tedesco in litigation generally. As
the respondent cotrustees point out, while that issue is an integral aspect of the
conservatorship proceeding, it does not address the Tedesco Trust’s internal affairs. (See
Harnedy v. Whitty, supra, 110 Cal.App.4th at p. 1333, 1345 [‘“Internal trust affairs, for
example, include modification of the terms of the trust, changes in a designated successor
trustee, other deviation from trust provisions, authority over the trustee’s acts, or the
administration of the trust’s financial arrangements”’].)
We also reject the notion, impliedly asserted by appellants, that the Orange
County Superior Court’s application of collateral estoppel to determine whether to
appoint a guardian ad litem represents an abdication of its obligation to decide that issue.
When a court’s ruling is based on collateral estoppel, that is an integral part of its ruling;
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 5. The Alleged Exclusion of the Tedesco Trust from the Conservatorship
Estate
Appellants also assert the Riverside probate court “eschewed any authority
over the trust” and that Wilson (the conservator) “abandoned” Tedesco’s rights in relation
to the Tedesco Trust. They contend it would therefore be “legally preposterous” to allow
a ruling of the Riverside Superior Court to “dictate whether Tedesco can be represented
in actions concerning [the] trust . . . .”
Their argument is based on the conservator’s petition for instructions filed
in October 2015, stating that he is aware of a dispute among family members over the
validity of the third amendment to the Tedesco Trust, but is uncertain as to its validity.
He acknowledges that “[f]urther discovery is necessary to determine the precise
circumstances behind the execution of these documents, and whether Mr. Tedesco
possessed the requisite level of capacity to execute them.” The conservator then suggests
that because all of the interested parties have counsel, the court should require that they
litigate the validity of the documents and that he be allowed to remain “neutral and focus
on assisting Mr. Tedesco with managing his personal financial affairs.” The court’s
ruling on the petition for instructions was that “[t]here having been no action presented to
challenge the validity of the third trust amendment . . . [it] is valid.”
None of that suggests that either the conservator or the court has
“eschewed” or “abandoned” Tedesco’s rights in connection with the validity of the third
amendment of the Tedesco Trust. It reflects only that neither party was inclined, in 2015,
to litigate a potential dispute that had not yet been presented to them, and that both parties
would presume a trust amendment was valid until presented with evidence demonstrating
otherwise. None of that suggests any abandonment of the issue.

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 6. Whether the Constraints of the Conservatorship Entitle Third Parties to
Standing
Finally, we reject appellants’ assertion that the conservatorship “serves as a
barrier to Tedesco’s representation” in other litigation, and thus “injure[s]” the Herzog
firm, Davis, and Carpenter, and entitles them to “standing” in this case.
The conservatorship provides Tedesco with representation, in the form of a
duly appointed conservator who has a fiduciary obligation to act in Tedesco’s best
interest, and who is subject to probate court oversight to ensure he acts appropriately. To
the extent the conservatorship erects a barrier to Tedesco’s representation, it is a barrier
designed to shield him from the undue influence of those whose interests do not align
with his. It does not follow that either the Herzog firm, Carpenter, or Davis has suffered
any cognizable injury as a consequence of the conservatorship.
7. Appeal as to the Wear Order Is Dismissed
Appellants also argue the court erred by denying Wear’s motion for leave
to be substituted as petitioner in the case.
It is unclear whether the appeal as to the Wear Order seeks to vindicate
Wear’s own rights, or those of Tedesco. On the one hand, Wear argues the court erred
because she had standing in her own right to pursue the petition due to her status as a
contingent beneficiary of the Tedesco Trust. On the other hand, the brief asserts the
court’s denial of Wear’s application was error because it failed to “protect Tedesco’s
right to a hearing.”
The cotrustees have moved for dismissal of the appeal as to the Wear
Order, arguing Wear is not aggrieved by the denial of her application because she has no
standing to pursue Tedesco’s rights, and because the court made clear its denial of her
motion was without prejudice. We agree.
As stated in In re The Clergy Cases I (2010) 188 Cal.App.4th 1224, 1233,
any person “‘‘that has an interest in the subject matter of a judgment and whose interest is

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adversely affected by the judgment is an aggrieved party and is entitled to be heard on
appeal. However, the aggrieved party’s interest must be immediate, pecuniary and
substantial, and not merely a nominal or remote consequence of the judgment.”’”
To the extent the appeal as to the Wear order seeks to protect Tedesco’s
right to a hearing, Wear has no standing to pursue the issue. She lacks an immediate
pecuniary interest in whether Tedesco’s rights are protected.
Appellants argue Wear has standing in her own right because even though
she has since filed her own petition regarding the Tedesco Trust, alleging the same claims
she sought to pursue by substituting into Tedesco’s petition, the new petition is
vulnerable to attack from the cotrustees in ways that her attempt to substitute into this
case was not. Specifically, Wear asserts the cotrustees have “demurred to [her new
petition] on standing and other grounds, and there is no telling what limitations or other
defenses might be raised against Wear’s petition while being inapplicable to Tedesco’s
2019 petition.”
Wear’s assertion ignores the fact that the cotrustees objected to her ex parte
application in this case based on standing and other issues. The ex parte process gave
Wear no right to avoid those defenses, nor to avoid any other objections that the
cotrustees may have interposed in response to her effort to take over Tedesco’s petition.
Dismissal of the appeal as to the Wear Order is therefore appropriate.

DISPOSITION
The judgment dismissing the trust petition and order denying motion for
new trial are affirmed. The appeal as to the order denying Wear’s motion for leave to file

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an amended petition is dismissed. Respondents are to recover their costs on appeal from
the Herzog firm, Carpenter, and Wear.

GOETHALS, J.

WE CONCUR:

O’LEARY, P. J.

SANCHEZ, J.

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